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Adrian Wojnarowski calls out Rondo for his trash-talking in an article at Yahoo! Sports. The article focuses chiefly on Chris Paul, but there are some interesting tidbits about what exactly transpired after the end of the NO-BOS game.

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Here's some of Rondo's trash talk:
"I’ve got a ring, and you’re never gonna win one."

I’m sure it got under Paul’s skin, but isn’t that the point of trash talk?

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 8:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

bingo

we don’t know what Paul was saying to Rondo either

that said, I’m not sure going after CP after the game was necessary, but I guess that’s what happens when things get heated – could have been a lot worse (see Carmelo a few years back)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Nov 3, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'll agree with that...

You’ve got to let it go after the whistle is blown.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that is the problem

Trash talk happens when the game is going is ok.

To talk trash when the game is over, is the problem

Rondo need to grow up and stop acting like a 10 yo

Rondo had it lucky, he got to play with Garnett, Lewis and Allen, all seasoned pro, great at what they do.

If he had the support cast of Pauls, he would be lucky to be ranked a top 15 PG, his leadership skills and ability to control the game when it is close leaves a lot to be desired. He is lucky to have the big 3 and a ring

by a hay on Nov 3, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, you should listen to KG sometime...

Now that is cruel. And scary.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand the point of this article

Same old tune: Rondo has great help and would be nobody on a different team. First of all, we can’t be 100% sure the second part is true. Playing without KG, for instance, he seemed OK. Second of all, don’t ALL players who win rings have great help? Isn’t the fact that CP can’t win a ring with this crew just the truth? So Rondo’s life would be sooooo hard if he played for Hornets… so was KG’s life with Minny? No one ever stopped people from trash talking KG did they? And now CP needs Woj to make Rondo “respect him as a man”?

by illantari on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's what im saying...

trash talking is never nice, and the point is to light a fire in the opponent to get the game going, and to bring the intensity there. Isn’t that what KG does? How come RR does it to CP3, and the whole world goes crazy…

Since when was trash talking such a bad thing to do. All he simply said was, “You’ll never get a ring”. And then talks about “who’s better, CP3 or RR?” talks come on every article possible.

by Mizzy21390 on Nov 3, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hatchet Piece

This clown clearly just plain dont like Rondo. Or is in love with Chris paul. I cant figure it out yet. Either way he really has no clue what hes talking about. Im also going to go out on a limb and say the whole ray Allen thing never happened.

by Gemini36 on Nov 3, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm getting the feeling that Rondo is extremely unlikable.

From all of these articles it sounds like nobody really likes Rondo as a person. Except maybe Perk.

Doc says that his teammates don’t like him, calls him uncoachable and immature, Danny says the same things. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Ray did go over and apologize. Rondo’s a jerk. Hell of a ball player, though.

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BS

Doc never said that his teammates don’t like him. He said to Rondo that his teammates didn’t like playing with him – which was in the context of the way Rondo was playing at the time.

Don’t repeat half-truths like that.

You don’t know Rondo anymore than we know you. Do you want us all to call you a jerk for repeating half-truths that totally distort things?

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where there is smoke, there is fire

It just seem like not many people like him

Love to see him in Paul situation

by a hay on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Absolutely spot on — this is psy-ops, bigtime. This and the bogus Ray Allen apology are total BS!

by Hal Jordan on Nov 4, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo needs to SHUT UP! He needs to let his game do the talking…

ATM, he still extremely inconsistent, can`t shoot free throws or make jump shots…when he can inmprove in these areas than he can talk…

But until then…just shut up and work hard Rajon…

by thebirdman on Nov 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing...

Paul Pierce, Rasheed Wallace, and Kevin Garnett are huge trash talkers. Perk talks trash. Eddie House talks trash. Larry Bird was a huge trash talker. It’s simply a part of the game. As Rondo finds himself, I can’t blame him for getting under other players’ skins.

We’re a loud, brash team. So long as that’s kept on the court, I’ve got no issue with it.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's scummy behavior

Just because it’s the accepted cultural norm in the NBA doesn’t make it right. It used to be called by its right name, poor sportsmanship.

by Mencius on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don`t have a problem if you talk trash and dominate the guy. But when the other player is better than you, you just look like a fool when you don`t back it up with your play…

by thebirdman on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree

  That Rondo should run around with his tail between his legs until all of his critics on celticsblog are satisfied that he doesn’t have a single flaw in his game.

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

typical trash

rondo proved himself without KG in the lineup and paul and ray playing no better then a ben gordon or john salmons

chris paul plays with good players, all stars in fact

chris paul would be garbage on the celtics, the only ball movement would be a pass out of his hands when he decided not to look for his own shot at the end of the shotclock

stop acting like chris paul has it so hard or has no help, and stop this nonsense where rondo is some sort of product of the big 3

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lunacy

David West is an all-star only because he plays with Chris Paul. Chris Paul on the Celtics would be amazing.

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you don't know that

CP is a better shooter and takes a ton more shots in an offense that depends on him doing so.

Rondo is a poorer shot and takes far fewer shots per minute but generates far more assists, and steals and rebounds per minute on a team that depends on him to do those things.

Maybe on the Celtics CP would take fewer shots and generate as many or more assists. Maybe.

Would CP generate as many steals and rebounds as Rondo on the Celtics?

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

???

dirtydeed is a homer indeed if you think that.

by wondahbap on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so much for Rondo's maturity....

before you tell Chris Paul he sucks, you might want to take some of that ‘fire’ you portray and learn to shoot a basketball.

of course now that he has his money, i’m not going to hold my breath.

by ssspence on Nov 3, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you like making things up, but by all accounts rondo works and worked very hard on that jumpshot in the offseason with a known great all time shooter in mark price

yep, again this is all about rondo…its not like chris paul is an immature baby or anything..

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i heard about his amazing efforts with price...

and his jumper is still awful. makes eric snow’s look like reggie miller’s.

i’ve also heard, and seen, that he has an issue with maturity. whether or not he has respect for chris paul — i don’t care. it’s time to lose the school boy chip on his shoulder, the little BS vendettas, and lead the team with one thing in mind: winning.

by ssspence on Nov 3, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its awful? hes taken a handful and made at least half of them this season…there hasnt been enough taken to consider it awful..
and no its not time to lose that chip on his shoulder

this just in, every player, and every celtic is allowed to pound there chest, cuss constanstly, talk trash, etc…if rondo does out? hes immature and cant shoot

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you see the difference between 10+ year veterans with multiple all-star appearances, multiple individual awards, and assorted other distinctions under their belts, and a player with a couple of good seasons under his belt, who found himself in a good situation.

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the fact that he can't shoot has nothing to do with the chip on his shoulder...

it’s just a fact.

the chip i mention is these little tantrums when he’s pissed at doc or pissed at PP or wants to prove something to derrick rose or whatever. if he can play within the team concept and do it, fine.

he just signed a 55mil deal. earn it by showing the maturity wyc and danny asked you to show in giving you the deal.

for more on this, see here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=4615768

by ssspence on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"it’s time to ... lead the team with one thing in mind: winning"

Is a 4-0 start good enough for you?

Lessee, two consecutive 62+ win seasons, both going deep into the playoffs and one NBA championship.

I do believe that qualifies as ‘winning’.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By all evidence, however, the efficiency of his jump shot is just about where it was last season: he’ll drill one or two, but just can’t be counted on to stick it with regularity. It really doesn’t matter that it [b]looks[/b] better when it doesn’t fall.

As a matter of fact, Rondo almost single-handedly let the Hornets into the game in the third quarter by bricking a jumper, coughing the ball up, and generally trying to “take the game over” with little success. And his all-NBA-second-team defense was nowhere to be found, either.

I liked Rondo much better when he kept his trap shut and let his game do the talking.

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris paul made 1st team all defense…every bit as unwarranted as rondos 2nd team, if not more unwarranted

Rondo didnt play great in the hornets game, noones gonna pretend he did, but he was competive out there, so he missed a jumpshot and turned the ball over, played his worse game of the season but still had 10+ assists….this just happens in the game of basketball, hes not perfect, and neither is chris paul (gasp, yes chris paul is not perfect)

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between cockiness and immaturity...

The trash talk on the court is cockiness. Lots of great players talk trash to opponents.

The trash talk after the game is probably immaturity. You need to let things go, and show some classiness in not rubbing things in.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and by the way, it must be pretty nice to walk a season in chris pauls shoes, i bet rondo would love it

never any criticizim, being put on some pedestal high above the league, and being able to put up inflated stats

chris paul is overrated – plain and simple

good game against the knicks last night by the way

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Either that, or the fact that he can’t shoot will be on display since he’ll be facing triple-teams every game.

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

adrian's nose

Adrian’s nose is pretty brown. It’s everyone’s fault but CP3.

by Jon Niednagel on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chris Paul is the greatest thing ever
and hes done alot to prove it
his playoffs last season were fantastic…er wait..
well he always has his inflated stats last night against the knicks in a loss

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness, CP3 is a fantastic player...

However, he’s as cocky and as much of a hothead as Rondo. I like competitive players, and I like the fact that Rondo isn’t backing down from the superstars in the league.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agree

if he thinks he’s better than Paul, tell him while you prove it. but the ‘nyah nyah i have a ring stuff’ is disappointing.

by ssspence on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but paul pierce can state hes better then kobe bryant, and thats not immature?

think about the influences rondo has around him before whining about his maturity

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So paul pierce can say hes better then kobe bryant, the best player in the world…perfectly fine
Rondo cant say essentially the same, he feels hes the best PG in the league?

typical anti rondo argument…

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not an anti-rondo comment..

Paul Pierce has made several all stars, is third on the Celtics all time scoring list (THE CELTICS LIST!!), and I think played better in the finals than Kobe. I’m not saying Paul Pierce was right, but at least he had ammo.

Rondo has almost no ammo.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So your argument for Rondo telling Chris Paul that he’s the BPGITW is that it’s ok because Pierce tells Bryant (who you call the BITW) that he’s the BITW? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

I never said anything about whether Rondo can consider himself the best PG in the league — I hope he does, and then he goes out there and proves it every night, not just when he plays Paul or Williams or Rose or whoever.

What I’m talking about throwing sand in the sandbox distracting from the team and / or his own goals during a game. I’d like him to do it less, and I’m not alone. His job is not to show up CP3 or anybody else — it’s to manage the game, distribute the ball and play smart defense.

If you think Rondo has no growing up to do, then just say so and stop using other players habits as the excuse.

by ssspence on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at the elite level

every player should believe he’s at least capable of being the best in the world. Otherwise, why show up?

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Kobe is not the best player in the world

by shiggins on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that was an awful example of “journalism.” First of all the factual stuff — is there any evidence that Rondo knew about the new $55mil contract as he went into that game? Second the setting of all of Paul’s faults in a positive light: sure he’s not as assertive enough as a franchise leader, but that’s because he’s loyal; sure he took a swipe at Al Harrington, but that’s because he’s passionate; etc. Paul is a great player, and Rondo is not perfect by any means — but what I saw in the Hornets game was a team that rode Peja’s shooting to get back into the game, and then lost it when Paul stopped being a distributor and tried to take over the game with his own offense.

by MattD on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about the positive spin Woj put on Paul

I’ve watched Paul ever since his Wake days. His temperament always reminded me of Isiah Thomas. Cherubic do gooder great guy image, and a nasty SOB that comes out pretty often.

Completely agree with Matt’s assessment when I read He lost his cool with Rondo, and appeared to swipe at Al Harrington’s(notes) head on the floor while chasing a loose ball Monday. Paul had no use for Rondo, but the partial noogie that he gave Harrington, a friend, was clearly a misdemeanor of passion.

What a fat load that is. The NBA heavily into PR of its stars. You’d think Woj was on Paul’s personal payroll after reading that piece.

by Mencius on Nov 3, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how much Chris Paul

  Payed the guy to write the article. Did anyone who read it get the impression that the Hornets aren’t near the bottom of the league in salary but are 12th out of 30? That they have a higher payroll than Carmelo “Lucky” Anthony’s team?

  Anyone who followed the Celts in the 80s realizes how hard it is to win without 1st rate facilities…

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

CP knows how to get even

Lest we forget, Chris Paul is known for having few limits when it comes to “distracting” his opponent. Remember his nut punch of Julius Hodge during March Madness:

http://www.extremesportclips.com/video/1140/Chris-Paul-Punches-Julius-Hodge.html

He seems like a nice guy in an interview, but all of these guys have a competitive streak like none of us can imagine. Seems to me that Rondo was going out on a limb to call CP out and possibly to take him out of his best game. If his best game is making assists and getting the other Hornets involved, then he may have succeeded. He certainly appears to have gotten into his head.

by TX Celt on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Again, look at the influences rondo has around him, the biggest talkers and chest beaters in the league
hell KG was talking trash from the bench AFTER PLAYOFF GAMES and noone cares, hes fully supported
rajon gets into it wit paul, and the whole immaturity saga comes up

by dirtydeed on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Paul might be a baby, but Rondo is a Punk

1) The only other PG who couldn’t shoot jumpshots or FTs to walk into as ideal a situation is Tony Parker. I doubt Parker would tell all other PGs that he’s the greatest.
2) Rondo’s success has a great deal to do with the talent and system around him
3) Chris Paul IS a better PG, hands down. I’d venture to say there are several PGs in this league who could lead the Celtics to success. I really would love to see Rondo on the Hornets.
4) Doc has been quoted several times as stating that Rondo’s teamates don’t like playing with him. He’s a jackass and punk.

As annoying as Paul can be in the game with his cheesy flops, etc., Rondo really is a punk. I like his game, and think it’s a great fit for this team, but his trash talking needs to stay within certain bounds. He’s let his contract go to his head, but we shouldn’t be surprised.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

um..

1. Parker told the media that Rondo’s overrated.
2. So what if Rondo’s success is because of the talent and system around him? We’re going to fault him for taking advantage of his situation instead of wilting under the spotlight?
3. Chris Paul is a better PG, but there’s nothing wrong with Rondo wanting to take over that spot.
4. So what if he is? Whatever gets the job done. I personally think those labels are more indicative of his competitiveness (off the court, he seems fine).

by Pengaloo on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

4) Doc has been quoted several times as stating that Rondo’s teamates don’t like playing with him. He’s a jackass and punk.

No Doc said this to Rondo. And it was years ago and it worked. That was quoted several times so stop bringing it up.
I’m sure there are moments like this in any players carrier.

by dexter11 on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it keeps getting quoted out of context

Doc said that once in context of how Rondo was playing at the time. That his teammates didn’t like playing with him. Then.

People keep repeating it in various distorted forms to make it sound like they don’t like him – as in current tense and personally.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol,

He didn’t even have the contract when this went down. He’s confident kid.

I’m glad Rondo doesn’t just pucker up everytime CP3 or whoever else bends over…

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Nov 3, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

since when

can u only talk trash when you have no flaws in your game? Im sure MJ had some flaws in his game, even the littelest ones, but still talked trash.. KG has flaws in his game, and still talks trash…

by Mizzy21390 on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gee, a bit one-sided Woj?

I love how Paul is seen as having a “tenacious will and a terrific temper.” Yet Rondo is just a punk. Obviously what he said was being a punk but please. If you think he’s the first and only player to say things like this during a game, you’re crazy.

Also, I really enjoyed how Woj completely downplayed the WWE move that Chris Paul pulled on Al Harrington last night. It was by no means just messing around with his friend out of frustration. Yet, if Rondo did the same thing, it would have bee worded like: “The brash little punk that Rondo is, smashed Harrington’s face to the court, purely with the intent to give him a career-ending concussion.”

by MrTripleDouble10 on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it is acceptable for Rondo to start fracases off the court and after the game, but can someone explain to me how, “You’ll never get a ring” is personal? I thought personal was talking about someone’s family or friends. Maybe Chris Paul (and Adrian Wojnarowski for that matter) thinks he’s some sort of NBA Michael Corleone. Don’t talk to him about his business.

One thing is clear: Wojnarowski is a Chris Paul apologist. I love how a “swipe at Al Harrington’s head” is “clearly a misdemeanor of passion.” Really? Or maybe it’s just another example of his churlish oncourt behavior. Being a saint off the court doesn’t change that. Although maybe being a lovable loser does (see: KG).

And as for earning the right to trash talk, the only way somebody can do that is by backing it up. If Rondo is lucky enough to have a better situation I"m not holding it against him. Chris Paul doesn’t have it that bad anyway. Wait ‘til the national media and national fan base starts calling him a born loser a la KG, or forgets about him altogether, a la Pierce. He’s got a ways to go.

by Berkcelt on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Its not personal – its just competitive.

Telling your opponent that ’You’ll never get a ring’ is telling them that your team is the best because the only way to guarantee that your opponent won’t get a ring is to win it yourself.

I don’t understand why folks are glossing over this bit (which was also reported in other stories):

On the way to the locker room, Hornets coach Byron Scott heard Paul insist that Rondo "is gonna respect me as a man," and soon Paul started on his way down the corridor to tell the Celtics point guard himself.

That tells me that Paul is easily just as much a punk as folks here are accusing Rondo of being.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ray Allen

I’m not sure how I feel about Ray Allen ‘apologizing’ on behalf of the Celtics to the New Orleans team for Rondo’s behaviour.

I have no problem with Rondo trash talking, as long as he continues to give 100% as he’s doing.

He’s a fantastic point guard, we’re lucky to get him for $55,000,000

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s kind of weak on Ray’s part, especially if he hasn’t talked to Rondo about his (apparent) displeasure. On the other hand, I don’t trust Wojnarowski’s fanciful prose, who knows what exactly happened

Anyway, I also have no problem with Rondo talking trash, but going after somebody after the whistle, does seem out of control to me. So long as he backs it up and does it in the name of winning, that’s fine. If he can’t stay on point (so to speak), then don’t do it.

by Berkcelt on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just for the record

and not all that surprising but Ray shot down wojo’s garbage. From Murphy in the 11/4 Herald:

Allen denied part of a Yahoo! [YHOO] Sports report that claimed he later went into the New Orleans locker room to apologize to Paul for Rondo’s actions. Though he went into the locker room to meet with Paul, Allen said he didn’t apologize.

"Chris was giving us an autographed jersey for the High Hopes Fund," Allen said of a charity his family supports that is sponsored by the Joslin Diabetes Center. "Chris and I share the tie of being Brand Jordan athletes, so we’re in contact.

"I did ask him, ‘What was going on between the two of you on the floor?’ and he said, ‘It was just the two of us out there competing, that’s all.’ "

by Berkcelt on Nov 4, 2009 7:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

The NBA article about how they’re “reviewing” the situation seems to focus on how CP3 has been a punk over the last two games, not Rondo.

by illantari on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute wait a minute: How'd Rajon do without KG in the playoffs last year???

Didn’t everyone watch?So imho if he switched with CP, He’d probably be averaging 20/8/11 and 3 steals. Yeah he’d still need a jumper and frankly, he’d probably develop it faster. Hed also not win anything and develop bad habits. Rajon is not the player Paul is, but lets not forget he can rack up broad line stats on a team with fewer stars

by wahz on Nov 3, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How did he do? He helped us dispatch the Bulls, who really aren’t a great team, and then couldn’t do much to get us past Howard and the Magic.

So that’s how he did — filled up the stat sheet, which was ultimately good for a .500 record in the post-season. Now throw out Pierce and Ray Allen from that starting 5, and replace them with Mo Pete and Peja Stojakovic. Ugh!

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dead on

you beat me to it. Against a good team Rondo was getting routinely beat by Anthony Parker.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By routinely beat

  You mean like 2-3 times in the series?

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You could say the same thing

  About Ray Allen, bt he did less to help us dispatch the Bulls than Rondo.

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Being with the big 3 HURTS rondo’s stats, it doesn’t help them (perhaps his dimes are better on Celtics, but only slightly). Rondo, like the whole team, is sacrificing his stats for the good of the team. Chris Paul does not have to.

by libermaniac on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

since when....

is talking trash on the court seen as less respectable then trying to get into the opponents locker room post game??? what’s going on here?

by WillyBeamin on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What’s less respectable is that Rondo jumped Paul after the end of the game.

We don’t know what, if anything, Paul said to Rondo during the game, and ultimately it doesn’t matter — if you’re willing to dish it, you should be able to take it too. And the simple fact remains that it was Rondo that went after Paul, not the other way around.

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

on the court...

and then paul tried to get into the celtics locker room… I still don’t see how what rondo did can be seen as “worse” in the eyes of the public.

by WillyBeamin on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

idk what happened any more than anyone else, but this is the way it looked to me.

Rondo and CP3 were exchanging words for the last 20 seconds or so of the game. Chris Paul crosses the half court line, and passes the ball to Peja, who attempts a three. Rondo is still on the other side of the court. CP3 walks up to Paul Pierce and they start talking, and honestly, it didn’t look like they were “exchanging friendly hand shakes”

Rondo walked by them, on his way towards the Celtics bench. CP3 was over by the Celtics bench, it isn’t like Rondo went over to Chris Paul at the NO bench and started getting into it with him. CP3 was in the Celtics area. As Rondo walked by, they started jawing at each other. Rondo walked off toward the locker room, and Chris Paul was the one being stopped by Sheed, Thibodeau, and Byron Scott.

by 18isGREATERthan72 on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY

lol

But because CP3 is the star, he gets star treatment and Rondo is just a punk.

Gotta love the way basketball fans get starry eyed when it comes time to certain players…

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Nov 3, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not exactly

I was at the game, behind the celtics bench, pierce and cp3 were shaking hands and chatting for a second, rondo walked over and hit CP3 with a shouler. from there they had to be seperated (not very aggressively, but people got in between them), and Rondo walked back to the locker room.

by WillyBeamin on Nov 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what the video looks like

 Pierce looks like he’s shooing Paul away from Rondo, not chatting with him. When Rondo came over Pierce pushed Paul away and then went over to backhim up some more and made mo effort to pull Rondo away.

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only problem i have

if any of this is true is that rondo said something after the game was over. during the game, go nuts, just don’t talk afterwards. other than that, i have no issue with him talking trash. its pretty clear rondo got in paul’s head, which is the whole point of effectively talking trash. most of the greats were not only physically dominant, but able to get in others’ heads.

by guy incognito on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

There is no problem with talking whatever during the game, as long as you turn around and head to your locker room once the game is over. Rondo didn’t do this, and it was a poor decision.

I don’t see how people who laughed at LeBron for not shaking Howard’s hand last season can dismiss a much more unsportsmanship-like behavior by Rondo (for those of you who missed the footage, Rondo ran the full length of the court to try to push Paul while the latter was having a conversation with Pierce).

Of course, it might just a case of “he might be a punk, but he’s our ($55-million-dollar) punk”. This is a Celtics blog, after all.

by kozlodoev on Nov 3, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, I think Cs fans are willing to overlook the transgression because RR wears green to a degree. But this discussion has been framed in large part around Wojnarowski’s article which doesn’t even entertain the idea that Paul had any role in this. The article is written in a way intended to incite disdain and scorn of Rondo while lionizing and sympathizing with poor Paul’s plight; in this way it’s pretty manipulative. Mentioning Rondo’s contract in a mocking way as if there were something shameful in the number 55 itself, even misrepresenting Paul’s actions (who says he was hardly trying to get into the Celtics lockerroom). Plus the awful thing Rondo says to him is, I got a ring, you’re never gettinig one. I still don’t get how that’s personal.

I think that is in large part spurring people to defend Rondo and maybe even overdefend him.

by Berkcelt on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what the?
There is no problem with talking whatever during the game, as long as you turn around and head to your locker room once the game is over. Rondo didn’t do this, and it was a poor decision.

You seem to completely overlook the fact that Paul was over mixing with the Celtics as they WERE heading toward their locker room, jawing with Pierce - INSTEAD OF HEADING TO HIS OWN LOCKER ROOM. He clearly said something that Rondo overheard WHILE WALKING TO HIS LOCKER ROOM and that got Rondo mad enough to stick his chest out and bump CP, leading Pierce to separate them. At that point it was over.

Then, CP proceeded to try to got to the CELTICs LOCKER ROOM for futher confrontation!

Give me a break. Why was it okay for CP to be over jawing with Pierce after the game? What did he say that pissed Rondo off? Why is it okay for CP to try to go to the Celtic’s locker room and keep the confrontation going?

I’m not saying it was ok for Rondo to bump Paul with his chest. But stop making out like he is the only one who was acting like a punk here.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doc on Rondo, from Bulpett's article today

“But he still made sure to express his displeasure with Rondo’s postgame verbal shots Sunday at Hornets counterpart Chris Paul. ‘We’ve got to avoid that stuff,’ Rivers said. ‘It’s good to get into it with guys, but then when the game’s over the game’s over. Let’s move on. This was more personal stuff. You just can’t allow it. You don’t go anywhere with it. I don’t know what you gain by it.’ Rivers said his message to Rondo was, ‘You don’t have to measure up. You’re on the stage. Just play. That’s all you have to do.’”

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

But it wasn't trash talking.

I thought this was the most telling part of the quote:
“This was more personal stuff. You just can’t allow it. You don’t go anywhere with it. I don’t know what you gain by it.”

Whatever Rondo said crossed a line. Which is a staggering thought considering what comes out of KG’s mouth.

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Whatever Rondo said "

you don’t have a clue what Rondo said.

You also don’t have a clue what Paul said.

Just stop.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Doc knows

And apparently he believes that it is something that cannot be allowed.

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is not Doc’s place to coach Chris Paul. What Chris Paul said could have been just as bad. But it isn’t Doc’s place to say about someone elses player.

by 18isGREATERthan72 on Nov 3, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Ray Allen knows

And felt compelled to apologize for it.

by Black Bird on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ray Allen actually said he didn’t know what was going on between them, he just saw “the after party”

Ray Allen is just the type of guy who feels like he needs to be peace keeper.

by 18isGREATERthan72 on Nov 3, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh please

Doc clearly heard it, and he didn’t like what he heard. Same for Ray Allen. Why are you making it out to be that Doc was trying to coach Chris Paul, anyways? When did he say anything about Chris Paul in his quotes? I’d like to assume, if anything, that he was talking about Rondo. Can you prove otherwise beyond what you just want to believe?

by Tai on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you missed his point

He was pointing out that Doc refrained from commenting on Chris Paul’s actions and words and only commented on Rondo’s because he is Rondo’s coach – not Paul’s.

In other words, the fact that Doc commented critically on Rondo’s words in no way means that Doc was ok with how Paul acted.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got no issue with people painting rondo as a trash talker

because he is, probably went to far bumpin CP3 on Sunday.

but this glazing over of the fact that chris paul is just as bad on the court is nonsense. as many have pointed out here the guy has as much of a “history” as rondo does with this type of behavior, yet because he’s so nice off the court and so good at basketball on it they choose to look the other way. total double standard.

by WillyBeamin on Nov 3, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

here's the funny thing...

Everyone wants to talk about Rondo being made by the big 3 and so, but nobody has yet to mention if you took Rondo off this team the Big Three isn’t as good as they’ve been. Rondo is the perfect guy for this team because he’s a true PG, something Chris Paul isn’t.

by celtsfan34520 on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Paul not a true PG? Lol

Paul passes first, but also forces the opposing D to respect his jumper.

Come playoff time the Magic, Lakers, Spurs, etc will once again sag off of Rondo. Rondo must pass first b/c he can’t adequately shoot, except the occasion that he has 10 seconds to wind up his shot.

I like Rondo’s game A LOT, and am very thankful we have him over someone like Arenas, but Chris Paul is more of a true PG than Rondo.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's being missed here...

..is the human element…

Rondo IS an introverted type of person who lacks some degree of understanding how his words and actions are interpreted by others – it takes Doc asking questions to get Rondo thinking about something.

Rondo is not a bad guy, but he is also very internally-oriented, so he is naturally going to miss some of the subtlties that a more socially aware person would perceive.

Not all trash talking is created equal – you can push something too far…but that doesn’t mean the intention was to do so either…what Rondo thought of as acceptable behavior could very well have come from the examples his teammates display in terms of their trash-talk.

However, the lack of complete understanding of how his words will be perceived based on who the other person is, what their mindset and experience may be, can lead to a slight miscalculation in “acceptable” paramaters for said trash talk.

Overall, this is a nothing thing, but should serve as somewhat of a glimpse into how Rondo’s personality can have negative reprecussions at times.

He’s never going to be mr. smooth, but I highly doubt he is actively trying to antagonize those around him – he just isn’t built for understanding certain social factors around him without having it spelled out for him.

“do you think your teammates like to play with you?”

by BillfromBoston on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

????????

Trash Talking? Isn’t trash talking a huge part of basketball? CLEARLY Rondo got under CP’s skin. He certainly affected his game. Right? CP looked lost and sad out there. He played good, but not out of control good. Rondo won the mind battle. Good stuff.

Imagine if people wrote news articles about NFL players because they trashed talked? I can’t even begin to guess what they say to each other.

by stevenfuzz on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stupid

Why get CP3 all riled up? Let sleeping dogs lie. We have to play them again.

Rondo isn’t good enough (yet) to talk trash to CP3.

by Brickowski on Nov 3, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting Article By W.

I saw Paul (our’s) and Paul (Chris) talking after the game. I saw Rondo come over. I didn’t hear anything. Our Paul didn’t say anything. Rondo didn’t say anything. Doc was upset about something. And I think I read where Danny and Rondo talked for an hour, but I don’t remember if it was after the game or at some other time. So what interests me is how all these “facts” are coming out. What I took from that game is that the C’s didn’t play great, but with about 3 or so minutes to go they surgically took NO apart.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Nov 3, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Danny and Rondo's meeting

From Bulpett in today’s Herald:

The "situation" was evident when C’s general manager Danny Ainge called Rondo to the team’s practice facility late Sunday night after the overall numbers were agreed to. They talked about life issues.

"It wasn’t about the money," Rondo said. "It was about what comes with it. It was about off-the-court issues and how to carry yourself and conduct yourself in life. It was more a mentor speech. It was more like a father-son speech really. Danny’s like a mentor. He was just kind of preparing me for life after this day is over."

by Berkcelt on Nov 3, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AWWWWWWWWW. Poor little Chris Paul is soooo offended by the big bad Rondo.

And… another one bites the dust.

CP3, you may feel disillusioned and disgruntled, don’t worry, you have just been Rondo’d

by stevenfuzz on Nov 3, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rondo'd?

I’ve never been a big fan of Chris Paul’s (except when they beat the Mavericks in the ‘08 playoffs). He’s a great player but, the attitude he puts off during the game really annoys me. He has always seemed like a punk to me.

As for Rajon Rondo, I never had much of an opinion of him. He’s not a bad PG but, he’s not great either (he fits the needs of the team, however). Well, I definitely have an opinion of Rondo now, and it isn’t favorable.

So, I ask this. Did Paul get Rondo’d? Or did Rondo get Paul’d? I’m not sure how Rondo stooping to Paul’s level is somehow a good thing.

Or perhaps this is worse. Talking trash during the game is one thing (and not something I’m a big fan of). Being childish to an opposing player after the game is something else entirely.

by gyrmnix on Nov 3, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who was childish to who?

CP was the player who, at the end of the game, was on the wrong end of the court, jawing at one of the other team’s players as the other team was trying to leave.

CP was the player who later tried to go to the other team’s locker room in order to ‘teach’ a lesson (i.e. pick a fight).

CP is the player who sucker punched Julian Hodges in the groin in a game.

CP is the player who took cheap shots at Al Harrington in Mon. night’s NO-NY game.

Rondo is guilty of trash talking (ooooh – he told Paul he wouldn’t ever win a Ring – how mean and terrible!) and sticking his chest out at Paul when Paul was over on the Celtic’s side of the court at the end of the game. Rondo didn’t go over to the Hornet’s side. Rondo didn’t try to get in the Hornet’s locker room.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not excusing Paul’s actions, they were just as bad (if not worse). What was going through Paul’s mind that he thought getting into the opposing team’s locker room was a good idea? I agree that the article glossed over Paul’s transgressions.

But, should we excuse Rondo’s actions because Paul’s were arguably worse? But, I’m getting the feeling that Rondo’s actions should be excused because he plays for the Celtics.

Did you stop to consider that he was on the wrong end of the court because the game ended on that side of the floor? Pierce and Paul were shaking hands at the end of the game when Rondo goes out of his way to get in Paul’s face. The last 12 seconds of this clip gives a really good view of what was going on, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbtokYW98is

Don’t get me wrong, I still hate Paul. It just seems that Rondo is trying to work his way onto that list as well.

by gyrmnix on Nov 3, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who Care about Adrian Wojnarowski

Maybe Adrian Wojnarowski doesn’t understand that trash talking is part of the game. I DON"T agree with it at all, but it has become part of the game starting in grade school. I’d like to see it eliminated 100 percent, but why pick on Rondo, maybe it was CP3 that was the instigator. In my opinion when players are losing they seem to want to run their mouths when they make a good play.

But for my part why doesn’t Adrian Wojnarowski quit his trash talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr Adrian Wojnarowski why don’t you start a crusade to eliminate all trash talking? Don’t pick on one player, because there are probably 300 in the NBA trash talking and most aren’t that good and can’t back it up anyway.

by badax33 on Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is the third or fourth time this early season that this guy has come up with a story that has no basis. I really think he likes to see himself in print and is not a big Celtic fan. Everytime you turn around he has another story about the Celtics that he can’t prove…..“unnamed sources”. I can’t imagine Ray Allen putting his teammate in a position such as this. He minds his own business, lets the guys talk for themselves. This Yahoo writer loves to hear himself talk. I don’t believe a
word he has to say, ever.

by RTroy on Nov 4, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i've never seen such blatant man love in all my life

i have no problem with chris paul being the best overall PG in the league, but don’t try to tell me he doesn’t have any help on his team.. david west is a great player, okafor (although he didn’t look it on sunday) is a solid low post guy, peja is great when he’s on fire, they got posey, they got young guys, i don’t see how they are not a playoff team barring injury…

rondo was just talking trash like most players do. i don’t even think he does it that often, at least i haven’t heard about it being a problem before

by JunkyardDawg on Nov 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aww... did the wittle baby get his feelings hurt??

Sorry, but CP3 needs to MAN UP. So what, you’ve been in the NBA for 5 years and still can’t take some trash-talking? Grow a spine and get over it, I’m sure Paul was throwing around some trash-talk of his own, just watch the replays.

Rondo must’ve struck a serious nerve, because let’s be honest, as long as Paul is in NO, they’re not going into the luxury tax to put the talent around him that he needs to win a championship. He knows it, that’s why he’s all cranky.

Wojo is a tad biased though, why were there no references to Paul taking cheap shots at Al Harrington while the were going for a looseball? Since Wojo seems so high on CP3’s character. I’m not saying Chris is a bad guy, but he’s not the next coming of Jesus either.

As far as Rondo not being able to win by himself, who is these days? Kobe couldn’t win after Shaq left. He needed to get a Gasol. And no, I’m not saying Rondo is Kobe, I’m saying it takes a TEAM to win championships, NO management doesn’t get it so we’re forced into the “CP3 is saint” show…

Sorry for the rant…

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Nov 3, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trash talking

is something that goes on at all levels of the game. It goes on in AAU leagues, in HS, in college and in the pros. Rondo is very, very confident and he loves to talk trash. And who cares, he gets the job done.

I have no problem about him getting at Paul or Derrick Rose or whoever the player du jour is or with anything he said. If Paul was that upset about what Rondo said, then it most likely hit a little close to home. I’ve had worse things said about me on the playground than Rondo said to Paul.

My only qualm would be if after the game Rondo went after Paul unprovoked. And we will never know what was being said between Paul and Paul that made Rondo step in. If Rondo did it w/o reason I’m sure it will be handled in house, as it should be.

by jasail33 on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

CP3 = kicked Julius Hodge in the GROIN

Is this the same Chris Paul that hit Julius Hodge of N.C. State in the groin in an ACC tourney that the NBA now seems to sell us as an angel???

I called the ACC Commissioner about that because CP3 was NOT suspended. It was one of the worst unsportsmanlike acts that I have EVER witnessed!!

Here is the youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F3tptzEWmM&feature=PlayList&p=0077742E207D847B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21

Smitty77

by Smitty77 on Nov 3, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think you're missing the point of why Smitty brought that up, Black Bird

the article is basically a praise a of CP3’s “terrific” character. Smitty is just reminding everyone that CP3 didn’t always smell like roses.

Honestly, he still doesn’t. I caught the NO vs NY game and yes, CP3 did take a few cheap shots at Al Harrington while they were fighting over a loose ball.

But clearly, we’re all supposed to just accept whatever behavior he has because he’s “competitive”

As far as the Ray Allen incident, its has nothing to do with this situation. Totally different players, different incident. Frankly, who HASN’T wanted to do that to Anderson Varejao??

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Nov 3, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right

and if this discussion is about Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo’s relative character merits then how does what happened between Ray Allen and Varajao mean anything? Does it absolve Chris Paul for sucker punching hodge?

Does it absolve Paul for trying to go into the Celtics locker room in order to ‘teach’ Rondo something?

If Rondo is such a bad guy – where is the record of him being nearly as violent as CP evidently is?

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Chris Paul was playing instead of Rondo Last Spring

No way the Magic win in 7.

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would have been C's in 6

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Nov 3, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

but I am still thankful we have Rondo.

by TomHamilton30 on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or we would have lost to Chicago

  Billups owned Paul in the playoffs last year and we needed every ounce of those triple doubles to even get to play Orlando.

by BballTim on Nov 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not understand why people continue to try and use the

“Without KG, Ray, and Pierce he’d be nothing argument against him”

They took away just KG and he went 20-10-10 for a playoff series.

by Ben Buchanan on Nov 3, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm on CP3's side on this one...

Rondo may be a terrific player and all, but I think he IS a bit of a punk… he’s got an attitude and a chip on his shoulder. And choosing to criticize and antagonize Chris Paul is pretty foolish in my opinion. I think those traits about Rondo make him a better player than if he was just a nice guy, but I can separate that from the person.

by Big Ticket on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe Rondo IS a bit of a punk ...

but there is plenty of evidence that maybe Chris Paul is a bit of a punk too.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Said mmmmm

Hey Big Ticket, I would like your complete transcript of what was said. You must have one for your defense of CP3. You DON’T? I don’t know what was said and neither do you, maybe the punk was CP3, in fact, I’m sure it was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t need any evidence, all I need to know is that he tried to go into the Celtics lockerroom. Probably had his Tech 9 with him or his razor.

All these posts, just because of trash talking. That’s one of the reasons I’d like to see it cleaned up, but that won’t happen til they clean it up in grade school, HS and college.

My suggestion to all players is SHUT UP and Play!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by badax33 on Nov 3, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After watching the 2006-2007 NBA season

there is nothing anyone can say about Rondo that will make me think negatively of him.

after years of terribleness somehow us fans, most of us, knew that Rondo was going to change things… you could see it every time he stepped on the court he got better and better and things for the C’s were going to turn around with this guy leading the way.

just because KG and Ray Allen showed up doesn’t mean Rondo wouldn’t be as good as he is today… don’t forget that season he was just a rookie on a team with no bodies and changed the state of every game he entered for the betterment of us Celtic fans who were still watching then.

by incoherent. on Nov 3, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

its all about the system

rondo was drafted by PHX to be nashs backup. he would have been the perfect fit for run n gun and would be putting up nash-like stats. who cares if he cant shoot a lick of a j? hes running up and down the floor dishing the ball to amare or grant hill for easy buckets. tommy mentioned this at some point last season saying his learning curve would have been accelerated if he had played with the team that drafted him (PHX) because of their offensive system. that means nothing now b/c they traded him on draft day.
ppl are reading too much into this trash-talking thing.

by eat ur wheaties on Nov 3, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree , reading way to much into trash talking

if you look at all the greats talking trash is there.

it’s almost like you have to talk trash to be on a different level.

so why is talking trash bad? it’s not.

when LBJ got into trash talking fight with fans in Toronto and won the game he was a Hero!!!

by incoherent. on Nov 3, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Wojnarowski is a Lakers fan, I think.

Only a water-carrying sycophant like Adrian could come up with such a stupid article. Does it mention anywhere in the piece that it was originally Mike & Tommy who pointed out that Chris Paul looked unhappy? Of course not.

This is all based off of 2nd hand info from Perk anyway. Rondo pretty much clarified what he apparently meant on Sunday. He said that Chris Paul’s job is different from his own. Paul has to have the ball in his hands at all times because he’s by far the best player, and offensive option, on his team, whereas Rondo has to successfully get the ball out of his hands, and into someone else’s, most times up the court because he’s obviously not the best offensive option on his team. Not sure what is so insulting about that.

So, if Chris Paul wants to get all bent out of shape over what he read Perk say that Rondo said, well, I hope he can find peace in his life. Seems like a miserable way to go about things, even if Rondo had actually said something worse and truly insulting.

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let`s stop kidding ourselves...

1} Rondo is a punk.
2} Anyone of us would trade him even up for Chris Paul in a heartbeat.

True, he is a valuable asset to the Celts.
He provides 99% of the starting 5`s quickness and speed.
He`s an “exciting player” much more than he is a “great player”.

Getting “trashed-talked” by All-Time greats {Bird, KG} is one thing.
Getting “trashed-talked” by a 64% FT shooting PG cannot be tolerated.

by Title 18 on Nov 3, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

stop kidding yourself

Chris Paul is easily just as much of a punk if not more so than Rondo.

At least we don’t have video evidence of Rondo outright sucker-punching somebody in the groin like Paul did to Julius Hodge. THAT was totally cheap.

Trash talk is just talk. Punching someone – and especially a sucker punch to the groin – is a lot worse.

And for the record, it was Paul who was on the wrong side of the court and who want to go into the wrong team’s locker room to ‘teach’ Rondo something.

And if you really look at the numbers, its not that clear that Chris Paul is all that much better if at all than Rondo on the court. They are different players with different skills on different teams.

I’ll keep Rondo, thank you.

by mmmmm on Nov 3, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why shouldn't he talk trash though?

Like I said before, I’m happy that Rondo doesn’t just pucker up when Chris Paul (or whatever player) bends over. He has a ring, and has a great shot at getting another one this year. He’s confident and he needs to be.

Trash-talking is part of the game. Chris Andersen does it, that’s part of his job – to get under the skin of opposing players. Same as Anderson Varejao. And Joakim Noah. NONE of those players are all-time greats. But because Rondo has the “gaul” to dare say a word in the presence of CP3, he’s a punk? Give me break!

Hmm… maybe CP3 just needs some good comebacks, maybe then he wouldn’t whine so much. How about “I have a gold medal and you’ll never have one” ?? See, there ya go CP3, now take a cookie and you mommy will be in to tuck you in later……

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Nov 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's just a loser

IMHO, if you are losing you should just shut your mouth! I see people talking trash with their team down 20-30 pts. Why would you do that?!?!?! I had a guy yell at me “in your face” after scoring his only basket in a game with his team down 28 pts. I trashed him up and down the court. He looked at the ref for help, who just smiled and shrugged – like you started it.

by badax33 on Nov 3, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

Granted, Rondo should just let his playing do his talking for him. Why should we feel sorry for Chris Paul that he doesn’t have the players that Rondo has on his team? This is what it is all about. A season ago the New Orleans Hornets were supposedly on their way to challenging the big’s in the Western conference. Now, one year later, they are miles and miles away. This is their problem, not Rondo’s.

That being said, I hate the chirping that is going on right now. Just play the damn game and let your playing do your talking for you. Rondo is not Chris Paul, they are two different types of players. Paul likes to score, Rondo loves getting his teammates involved and having them do the scoring. This is where the Celtics should pull the strings on some of these guys. All he has done is made Paul hate the Celtics and want
to score against them. He proved the other night that he can do that. Rondo was just feeling his oats a little too much

by RTroy on Nov 3, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we're still talking about this?

I’m about all Rondo’d out this week, but that’s just me.

Thankfully we’ve got some games to talk about and react to soon.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Nov 3, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what happened to the "players code"??

I thought what happened and what was said on the court, stayed on the court?

You rarely ever hear a player go to the media and tell them what trash talk was said on the court. Thats busch league, chris paul. Grow a pair, and move on. Rondo talks trash. Get over it. If you don’t like it, ignore it, or say something back. Don’t get all pouty then cry to the media.

by Jimmy Toscano on Nov 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

hey rondo just sign his contract ,why don’t you guys stop trashing him and let him play, if he wants to talk trash or get into players like pauls head that his biz, just like garnett or wallace.Wait till the end of the year then judge him

by wopp22 on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I say let him do his thing.

Rondo has had a LOT of pressure placed on him, too.

I would like to see Chris Paul in Rondo’s shoes…trying to please Ray Allen and finding spots to get him a good shot….

Trying to set up Paul Pierce for his scoring…..

Trying to set up KG for his baskets…..

And EACH of the Big Three has Egos, too. Imagine trying to please all three.

PLUS trying to please one of the best PG’s of all time—-his COACH, former ATL guard Doc Rivers.

And let’s not forget that Danny played Guard, too.

I REALLY wonder if CP3 could have done it any better?

Here in Boston, Rondo HAS to lead the team, and yet reduce his own production as far as scoring. He is mostly a 4th (And sometimes 5th) option.

Heck, Perk is averaging more than Rondo.

I say that Rondo could pick his words a little better and choose his battles. As he matures he will tone it down. The young fella (23 Y.O.) is just that—-a young fella. He will grow.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 3, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and from today's globe... the truth shall set you free!

Allen denied part of a Yahoo! [YHOO] Sports report that claimed he later went into the New Orleans locker room to apologize to Paul for Rondo’s actions. Though he went into the locker room to meet with Paul, Allen said he didn’t apologize.

"Chris was giving us an autographed jersey for the High Hopes Fund," Allen said of a charity his family supports that is sponsored by the Joslin Diabetes Center. "Chris and I share the tie of being Brand Jordan athletes, so we’re in contact.

"I did ask him, ‘What was going on between the two of you on the floor?’ and he said, ‘It was just the two of us out there competing, that’s all.’ "

by WillyBeamin on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bad Premise

Since when can’t a supposedly lesser player challenge an entrenched superstar on the court? That’s what being a superstar is all about, taking shots at the crown on a night-to-night basis.

Fact is, Rondo got into Chris Paul’s head and Wojnarowski, like Paul’s mother herself, came running onto the court (via this hatchet job of an article) to intervene on behalf of his baby. If Paul’s so mentally weak that he can get taken out of a game with trash talk, he doesn’t deserve to be considered the best point guard in the game.

It’s funny, that in the midst of his pro-Chris Paul propaganda piece, Wojnarowski never mentioned Chris Paul’s part of the trash talking exchange, or Paul’s questionable antics throughout his career. It’s not like Rondo came up out of the blue and told Paul he’d never win anything—he was obviously prompted by something Chris Paul said first. Again, if he can’t handle trash talking, he should have started it in the first place.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Am I on a different planet?

During my time in the Navy, my shipmates and myself played Basketball often. Most of us (including myself) talked trash. We did it to get into each other’s minds and affect our opponent from the mental side of the game. We were always respectful of one another and it rarely got out of hand, during my 15-plus years of playing.

At the end of the game, we all went out to eat and then back to the ship. Opponents and all.

I took pride in protecting the paint. I would dare anyone to come in it. Most of the time I was very successful, until one time this kid from down south just kept rising and rising as I lept to attempt the block. Yes he flushed it on me. I stopped talking trash, just for a minute:)

The only way to shut up a trash talker is to defeat them.

Yes most of the C’s talk trash. They deserve it. They are that good.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nice

always love the “if you didnt have this guy or that guy” argument !!

by MR. CAFETERIA on Nov 4, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just might be the loneliest man in New England

When I say that I hate Rondo’s attitude and the way he plays basketball. Trash talking is a part of basketball, but there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Rondo isn’t half the player Chris Paul is, and is simply lucky enough to pad his stats along side future Hall of Famers like the Big Three. Rajon needs to shrink his head a little bit and remember where he was 3 years ago.

by ajgoodman on Nov 7, 2009 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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