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Who is the better power forward - Williams, Baby or Scalabrine?

I say Williams who was a lottery pick and a great player at Duke, is the better power forward out of the bunch.

I  base this not only seeing him during his short time being a Celtic player but also during his days back in Duke and several years in the NBA.

I think (especially with his massive wing span)  and better jumping ability he is a better:

1) Rebounder

2) Low post defender

3) Shot blocker

4) Low post offensive - around the rim finisher scorer.

.....Than either Baby or Scalabrine.

I think Williams is not as good a outside shooter compared to Scalabrine,  but does seem to have a jumper equal to that of Baby's. 

I also think since since Williams is still very young and a raw talent that with as time goes by and he is taught by Garnett, Rasheed (Perk also) he has the potential to get even better.

It is for these reasons I think Williams is a better power forward than Baby and Scal.

Does any one agree with me?

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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Yes I agree with you

I think Williams is better true power forward than Scalbrine or Davis.

Williams 6’9" going on to 7’ has a better NBA body to be a power forward than either Scalbrine or Baby since he plays bigger than both of those 2 players also due to his massive arm wing span.

I also agree he has alot of upside and potential.

I also like the fact that Williams with his length can perform spot duty at the center position which will come in handy in the playoffs when we go against Shaq and Howard, which Baby and Scal can not do effectively since they do not have the length.
 
The Williams signing was the less sexier signing of the off season after Rasheed and Daniels were acquired, but since it gives the C’s more frontcourt depth and a tough, talented, back up big man off the bench, it may turn out to be a very vital signing that helps the C’s obtain title #18.

by celtics #1 on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Uh...

The only thing BBD supposedly can’t do as a PF is rebound. Other than that, he has more range, and a better feel around the hoop than Sheldon. Sheldon can definitely improve his game around the hoop. Other than that, give me BBD anyday.

by Tai on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The point you make that Baby can not rebound..........

 is a big flaw in his game (especially since he is a power forward) and is reason enough to give Williams playing time in front of Baby.

This will be especially true if Williams keeps up the good scoring touch he has shown in the last few games.

 Williams has been showing a nice Baby like jumper in recent games ( a jumper Doc said in training camp Williams hits effectively) if he keeps that up you should prefer Williams over Baby since he will basically be a offensive player like Baby but with rebounding skills.

by fordescort on Nov 5, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on matchups

As we know, Baby is oddly well suited to bodying up/guarding the true behemoths. He can keep them out of the paint, but for most PFs, I’d say that Shelden is the better defender. Shelden is clearly the better rebounder, too.

Baby is clearly a better jump shooter, and probably more clever around the hoop too, even though he gets his shot blocked kind of a lot.

I disagree about Shelden having a bunch of upside. I think he’s already quite fundamentally sound. Doesn’t really hurt you out there, but I don’t see a lot more upside. Sure, he can improve his J, and perhaps develop a post move or two, but the thing about a lot of guys out of Duke is that they were so well schooled at the collegiate level, that they come closer to their ceiling at college than most other college guys. It’s why they look so good at Duke and not so much in the NBA (for most of them, anyway). It’s a real tribute to what K is doing at Duke.

I like having both the Shelden and Baby options off the bench. If your need is more rebounding and D, then opt for Shelden. If you need more offense, go with Baby. Scal’s really more of a change-up sort of guy to throw in their if you need some outside shooting. If he’s on, he can give you a shot in the arm. If he’s not, he’s of little value. But, one thing about Scal, at least he doesn’t hurt you with stupid plays. He’s usually in the right place doing the right things, at least as much as his limited athletic ability allow him to do.

by Mencius on Nov 3, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

'wut he said

I pretty much concur with everything Mencius posted here.

I do think we will benefit from having all three guys available off the bench (when Davis is back). All three bring something useful to the court and none of them really hurt you with their weaknesses.

I have been impressed with William’s raw athleticism. And his long arms really help control space. Role-wise, he’s the one of these three that I prefer backing up Perkins the most.

by mmmmm on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scal is on his way out the door as a Celtic and a NBA player, so I don’t see Scal being in the mix. When Sheldon signed here everyone thought he was pure garbage and a complete bust. Now Sheldon has been a Celtic for a little more that 90 days and there is a legitimate question as to weather he’s a better player than Baby. Both have vaults.. Baby does not want to rebound. LIke so many big men of today Baby wants to shoot long range jump shots. Which is an ability every player needs. But the position of power forward demands consistent rebounding. Sheldon’s whole game is built around rebounding. So who is more valuable Baby or Sheldon? The style of ball the Celtics play is geared for Sheldon. Think about this if Sheldon can put this in our minds in only 90 days Baby has a problem. I don’t think Sheldon is the better player but he is best……. right now for the Celtics.

I am wrong about a lot of things, but I have watching basketball since the sixties and it seems like if a player has a problem at the beginning of the year they seldom hit there stride during that year. Breaks like this are how players career’s are established.

by tyquinton on Nov 3, 2009 4:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m still not sold on Williams yet. He had two great rebounding games in the blowout games, while when we played competitive games against N.O. and Cleveland he played around 10 less minutes and had 7 rebounds combined and 0 blocks. Obviously the more minutes you play, the better your stats will be. I haven’t been able to watch the Celtics this year yet outside a the final 4 minutes of the Hornets game, but I wonder how many of Sheldon’s rebounds came when the results were already in the bag. I’m not bashing the guy, he’s filled in well for Baby and Scal, but I still think he is what he is, a 4th/5th big off the bench that won’t hurt you if there is an injury.

Both Baby and Scal spread the floor a lot better, however I will agree with some that Sheldon may be a better fit this year because we have Sheed to do Baby and Scal’s job.

I’ve never been a real fan of Baby, though he did great last year filling in for KG, and Scal is Scal, he can hit the 3 and guard the more versatile 4’s in the league for spurts and is the best passer out of all of them.

Tonight I’ll be watching my full first Celtics game this year, so Williams may be able to convince me otherwise, but until then he’s just doing a nice job filling in and will go back to the bench once Baby and Scal come back.

by Scribbles on Nov 3, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Shelden would be best, except...

… for the fact that he has hands of stone. Whereas BBD has good hands. This is an attribute that does not improve… you’ve either got it or you don’t. It’s a pretty serious problem for Shelden that he doesn’t.

by DRJ1 on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

shelden williams is a good fit because

his primary job would be on defense, box out his man and get the rebound, if he can consistently get rebounds and do well on the defensive end then I guess Baby would have to fight for his minutes since Doc would favor a player who is a good defender and rebounder over an above average offensive player, since he does have enough options on offense with Pierce, Ray, KG, Sheed, House and Daniels. n the offensive end he Shelden does not have the burden to score but rather to set picks and screens and try to get the offensive rebound again. On a defensive minded team a good defensive player would have the edge over a scorer. But then again it would be good to have BBD back on the team since Doc would have the option to sacrifice a little defense and rebounding for more offensive threats, match ups and good coaching would be the key.

by jeric on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good points jeric

I see things alot like you do.

I think though if Williams can keep up his nice offensive scoring touch the rest of the year, Doc will rather use him over Baby , because he will be getting the same offense in Williams as he does with Baby but in addition will be getting more rebounding from Williams then he would get from Baby.

by fordescort on Nov 5, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

From what I’ve been watching this season thus far (pre-season included) , unless in garbage time, Garnett and Wallace are playing the 4 (PF) the entire game. Perk has been solid at the 5 © position and was slated to split time with G.Davis. Williams has been filling in directly for G.Davis, and now splits time with Perk. I don’t know what’s to happen after Davis returns. But as far as I’m concerned, barring injury, Garnett and Wallace are the PF’s on this team.

by beachbumla on Nov 4, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

shelden kinda mirrors perk

i know it’s a long shot to compare them both but in a defensive stand point they play the center position and guard the opposing centers, and primarily to grab the rebounds, while KG or Sheed guards the PF. On the offensive end they would be the 4th or 5h option depending on who is on the floor since I would assume that first to third options would be any of the big three.

by jeric on Nov 4, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree Williams mirrors Perk...

in the following sense.

Both Williams and Perk plays alot bigger than their actual height and size.

Thier are players in the NBA that play alot bigger then they actually are and Williams and Perk both such players.

Williams especially plays bigger then his actual height since he has those super long arms.

by fordescort on Nov 5, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about S. Williams

He’s been subbing for Perk so far, and doing a great job! Sheed has been playing mostly with the second unit. On the offensive side of the second unit Marquis has been bringing the ball up, E. House, if not covered is probably the 1st option because he can shoots the lights out of the gym!

by beachbumla on Nov 4, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Other thoughts

No one mentioned the Scal can play the 3 (and did last night). BBD and Shelden cannot.
Scal gives us another SIX fouls we can use against the Shaqathon.

I like BBD against the Shaqs and Howards et al.

Shelden gives us another SIX fouls to use against the Shaqilla or whoever.
(When BBD is back).

Shelden and Scal give us much needed protection should KG or RS go down.

by Dipper on Nov 5, 2009 6:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The trick is not to have two players on the floor at once who can't shoot

As it lets the defence sag off the non-shooter. It will be interesting to see how well Shelden works with Rajon on the floor.

But I agree with the Shelden for D, Davis for offence school of thought.

by JoeDownLow on Nov 5, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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