Can the Celtics sign Lebron next year?
by fordescort on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 AM EST
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Ok to begin I am no salary cap expert, but lets say next year the Celtics do not sign:
Ray Allen - that frees up $19 million
Scalabrine - that frees up $3.5 million
T. Allen - that frees up $2.5 million
Giddens - that frees up $1 million
and Pierce restructures his contract (like he said he is willing to do) - to free up $2 million.
Thats $28 million that comes off our teams salary and becomes available to sign Lebron.
I am not sure how Rondos new contract effects the rest of the teams payroll, but I think the rest of the roster would still be affordable (if that is Daniels and Williams are resigned and do not ask for outrageous contracts).
The roster for next year would look like this and would depend on if Pierce would accept for the good of the team moving to the bench to become a super sixth man.
RONDO, HOUSE, PERK, GARNETT, LEBRON.
HUDSON, DANIELS, RASHEED, WILLIAMS, PIERCE
WALKER, BABY
Thats not a bad team for next year and would also give us a young talented core of players for our future with Lebron, Rondo , Perk, Walker, Baby, Daniels, Hudson and Williams on the roster.
If the C's do all the above can they sign Lebron next year ?
If not what other roster moves would the C's have to do in order to obtain Lebron?
Also does anybody know if Lebron has hinted at all if he would like to play in Boston?
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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I doubt it
There have been a few articles about the 2010 FA on here, and basically they all say the Celtics will not be major players in it. So I say the chance of this happening is less than 1%.
But for the sake of discussion, I think Pierce would be moved to the 2 so the lineup would be..
Rondo Pierce Perkins Garnett LeBron
Honestly thoug, I am more excited about a chance at Kevin Durant than I am at a chance for LeBron James.
by 18isGREATERthan72 on Nov 6, 2009 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ditto
I agree with everything 18isGREATERthan72 said above including that I would prefer going after Durant. He not only would cost less, enabling a more robust team around him, but he’s young, can already score with the big boys and seems to be learning to play a more complete game.
But even getting Durant seems like a slim chance.
And there is no way I’d ever want House starting over Pierce in the OPs scenario. Uh-uh.
by mmmmm on Nov 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
it doesn’t work like that – sorry
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Nov 6, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't?
are you sure?
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
by Green17 on Nov 6, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Work like what?
Salaries aren’t correct?
We don’t sign our arch-rival’s #1 player? <_<
by Tai on Nov 6, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The salary cap doesn't work like that.
The current cap is 57.7 million
The C’s are currently at 84 million
84 – 28 = 56 million, so if the cap goes up (not a guarantee) we’d just barely be under it.
But even THEN most of those contracts that are going away would have some penalties against our cap space until they’re signed away.
We cannot offer a max contract. It doesn’t work that way.
by USG on Nov 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
….in case there was any doubt above there…i was being sarcastic.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
by Green17 on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not only is this never going to happen, but would you really want it to? Sure, it could work well and would probably make us the best team ever, but lebron hasnt necessarily shown that he’s capable of playing with other big stars. But besides that, even if I could gaurantee that it would work out well, who hear would really want Lebron in green and white?
he may be one of the best players ever, but he is the antithesis of what the celtics stand for. He is a loud mouthed, flashy superstar who has been known for being a poor sport. The celtics are the quiet, focused, dignified champions who let there game do the talking and like to grind it out. Personally, I would never want to see Lebron in green, he is just too much of a show off. How can you focus on a team mentality when you have the single biggest name in sporting history on your team. The day that Lebron is in green would be the day that Red’s system and the celtic philosophy and spirit die.
by chilli on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I have never heard any of these things about Lebron. My understanding is that he is an intensly loyal teammate and human being. He is not loud-mouthed. He is very unselfish. And has proved that he enjoys playing with other stars at the Olympics. I think you’re confusing Lebron with Latrell Sprewell or something.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worth repeating; he is the antithesis of what the celtics stand for.he may be one of the best players ever, but he is the antithesis of what the celtics stand for. No unbuntu here.
by Tenacious D on Nov 10, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhhm, you know rasheed wallace is a celtic, right? and there are some pritty big egos on this team too. he’d fit in. plus we’d probably win at least 3 more championships, probably more. oh and lebron hasnt had another big star to work with yet, unless you count a slowed down old shaq, or mo williams. so yeah, i’d take lebron.
POWE
by Jay G on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LBJ
You are mixing up sneakers, pretzels, cinnabons, t-shirts, mugs, prizes and cotton candy with wins and titles. If you want to sell posters, sell merchandise, sell headbands, etc. Lebron is your guy. If you want to beat the Lakers in the Finals, Lebron is not your guy. And besides some of you act like we would keep every great player we have and get LeBron. Obviously we would have to give up pieces to get James.
When LeBron dunks on a breakaway fans and announcers think it is worth 5 points. When the score is tied, and LeBron makes a basket, those same people think the Cavaliers have a 10 point lead. People like Timmy Hardaway in the mid 90’s was NICE, when Dominique got going in the 80’s he was NICE. People don’t look at LeBron and say “Wow, this guy is Nice”, They say “How can I lick the bottom of his shoe?” It is a distraction to winning basketball and it doesn’t necessarily translate into wins. People want to get down on their knees and give the shirt off their back to praise this guy. That is OK, if you want to do that I fully support your dream. However it doesn’t necessarily translate into wins and titles.
5 people are on your court at a time in basketball, if you want to win each person has to play their role. If one person gets the attention of a Michael Jackson in his hey day, and every other player gets the “who is that” and wears “LeBron’s teammatte” on the back of their jersey it isn’t going to make your team better as far as winning games goes.
by star18 on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
See here: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=28668.0
… and here: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=32775.msg608802#msg608802
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 6, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the only chance we could him is thru some sign and trade which I doubt any team esp the cavs would help us to do
i’d rather say wait a couple years and hopefully we could land durant and oden (you may say hes overhyped but i still believe in the right time he would be THE dominant force)
by friedgreentomatoes on Nov 6, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sorry for the n00b questions
but could someone kindly give me some good education on the following wishful scenarios ive been thinking/dreaming about?
#1. could we find a team that will have enough cap space to sign lebron to a max contract next year and then trade him to us? is there any restrictions for such a “sign and trade” thing? I figure cavs would not be willing to be do that, but maybe if lebron strongly wants to be here and we could offer some drafts plus some $ to the third team such as grizzles and wolves? :-P
#2. could we trade some players this year with expiring offers for some trade exceptions? I am told that TE could not be paired with other pieces, but is there theoretically any way of gaining a huge trading exception? ( i just remember both denver and orlando have some te of 7~8m. but im wondering if we could get a even bigger TE than these.
sorry there are noob questions but i am very curious :$
by friedgreentomatoes on Nov 6, 2009 6:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Traitor!
Why would we want LBJ?? I hate LBJ! He might as well be Kobe! He is the same to me. I wouldn’t welcome either of them on my beloved celtics. Boston never had any I’ll will towards KG or Ray because there were never any battles or seriouse hate for their previous teams. LBJ has history with us! And it isn’t pretty. I would rather be a 2nd or 3rd teir team than have Lbj.
by 17green on Nov 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you’re being kind of ridiculous. Teams never hold grudges cept in the rare cases of TO. If you can help a team win a championship, teams are going to want you even if you were on their arch enemies team.
It’s especially ridiculous considering Rasheed wallace is on the team, and he was on the pistons for so long.
Luckily, you wont have to worry about this at all because this is never going to happen.
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Nov 7, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Would Love Lebron in Boston!
Sure, as Celts fans it’s so easy to say you hate Lebron, like I do. But whoever says that they wouldn’t like Lebron as a Celtic if the chance presented itself is either in denial or out of their minds.
Just the thought of Lebron playing alongside KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce in 2010-11 sends chills up my spine!! It probably won’t happen, but I sure wish it did.
by gpap on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
I don’t like LeBron and I don’t think there’s enough room for his massive ego.
by Jmicro on Nov 8, 2009 5:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
like I said
I’d rather have Kevin Martin, would give us a much better chance to win. Like I said, dude is overrated, after 7 games L James is not in the Top 5 in any statistic in the NBA, except turnovers and that isn’t a good thing. He is averaging 4.1 TO a game. You might say well that’s not a big deal. But for this guy and the media hype it is. When was Jordan never in the Top 5 in anything? How about never.
by star18 on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Kevin Martin? How would he fit in with the Celtics? He’s allergic to defense, and has a reputation for being one of the softest players in the NBA.
Lebron is one of the handful of guys in the league who can take over a game and win it by himself. It’s sort of comical that you’re knocking a guy who is averaging 26.3 / 7.7 / 8.0 on 51.7% shooting, saying that doesn’t matter because he’s not in the top five of anything. The only guy in the top-6 shooting a higher percentage than Lebron is Bosh.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
price
James is not worth the price or the effort to get W’s and get championships. Kevin Martin would fit in perfect with the Celtics, He’s 6"7 can score and can shoot, high FT% and nice 3PT %. The Celtics have plenty of bigs, they have guards with Rondo, House & Daniels, and they have the shooters with Ray & Paul. Martin would help out greatly with Paul & Ray’s role.
Lebron is one of the handful of guys in the league who can take over a game and win it by himself, and he is one of the handful of guys in the league who can take over a game and a team and lose it by himself too. The attention he brings to a team can have a huge negative impact that not many players can bring. Like how about being Lebron’s teammatte and trying to build a winner yourself and all you hear is “LeBron just talked to Jay-Z”, “LeBron had pancakes for breakfast”, “LeBron just went in to 7-11”, “LeBron likes moist towels”, “LeBron has just brushed his teeth and just came out of the bathroom”. You know stuff like that, the media and others get so crazy with him and pay so much attention to him being a teammate of his can make you wonder if you are even in the same league as this guy.
And 26.3/7.7/8.0 51/7% numbers are great but there are a few other guys in the NBA who are averaging just as good numbers and a lot more who are just a shade under James.
So the question is do you want endorsements, commercials, products, and sales? Or do you want wins and titles? Nothing wrong in my book with getting the star attention and getting commercials and making money, that’s OK with me. But that is more for a team like maybe the Knicks or Heat who would enjoy that stuff. Its not for the Celtics. The Celtics want that W. And in my opinion James is not the #1 guy in the league to get that W.
Look at it this way, LeBron’s 2003-04 Topps Chrome RC sells for $60, Carmelo Anthony’s 2003-04 Topps Chrome RC sells for $6 and Dwayne Wade 2003-04 Topps Chrome RC sells for $12. All 3 cards are from the same set and have the same print run.
Yet James sells for 10 times Carmelo and 5 times Wade. Would you want 10 Carmelo Anthony’s on your team or 1 LeBron James. Do you really thinkg LeBron is 5 times the player Wade is? Absolutetly not. But that is the price tag he brings, and it is a huge distraction if you are trying to get W’s and titles.
by star18 on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I hate players who take endorsements.
They never win. Especially ones who get sneaker lines named after them, who change sports with their ties to a single company, who take that company and almost single-handedly turn it into a wrold-wide empire. All this while modeling underwear and gambling constantly. Those guys never seem to actually win titles. (For the dense out there, I’m referring to Michael Jordan)
And, do people really collect basketball cards?
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MJ
I like your quote from Tug McGraw that was cool.
MJ was the only guy to do it, that is why everybody is slap happy over LBJ because they think it is happening again. Its not. MJ won titles in the 1990’s when the teams he played against were not that strong. Had MJ been playing now with the same teammattes his team would be inferior to Boston & LA of 2007-2010.
Besides MJ, nobody ever did it. Nobody ever took over a team and a sport like Jordan and won titles in the modern era, and nobody ever will. That is why last year in 2008-09, everybody had the Cavs going to the finals and beating Orlando, when less than 1 month earlier they were losing to Orlando 88-47, yet all 10 experts pick the Cavs to win. That is when you start to see people acting delusional because they think what happened in the past, is happening again. Everybody just assumed the 08-09 Cavs were the 95-96 Bulls and they were not.
Michael Jordan was a very unique and exceptional circumstance. He started winning in the 1990’s when expansion hit and free agency took one superstar to each team. No team had a stacked roster in the 1990’s, so it was a lot different for MJ to go out and win titles, then it is for LBJ to go out and win titles. MJ did it with a Pippen, a Rodman, a Kukoc, Cartwright, BJ, Kerr, Paxson guys like that. Today that team doesn’t win a title against Boston or LA. Maybe, but most likely not and alot tougher than a Malone/Stockton Utah team, or Kemp Payton and the Sonics, Drexler and the Blazers, Barkley & the Suns etc. No dominant center or big man on any of the finals teams that MJ faced. He went up against Divac, Duckworth, Oliver Miller/Tom Chambers, Power foward 6’9 Kemp, Power foward 6’9 Malone. No Garnett, no Pau, no Superman Howard. Had any team gotten together in the 1990s to put superstars together or had the Celtics had not had the bad luck with the players we lost, MJ would have had 1 or 2 titles.
Besides Jordan is better than James, he was a better player overall. James already reached his peak as an individual player and the stats he puts up. He may continue to improve as a team player, but he’s not putting up 36.8 PPG 11.2 RBS 9.4 AST numbers ever. He will stick with the numbers he has now for the rest of his career. They are great numbers and he is a great player. However the way people look at him, talk about him, he doesn’t get the attention of an average teammate and that brings unbalance on a team that wants to win a title.
And yes of course people collect basketball cards, sports cards are big money. People will pay $60 for a 03-04 Topps Chrome Lebron RC, but they will only pay $6 for a 03-04 Topps Chrome Carmelo RC. That kinds of sums it up right there. Here is a player Carmelo, that is what 98.5% of LeBron, maybe 99%? Defeinetly not 10%, but that is what he sells for because that is how people react when they see LeBron. And that attitude is great and all I am happy for LeBron and selling all the sneakers, products, whoopie cushions etc, I’m sure LeBron can make balloon animals too which is great. It just doesn’t necessarily translate into wins and titles. You cannot use Michael Jordan as an example of somebody else. There is only 1 Michael Jordan. The guy is legendary. His story took place at a different time in sports. Its not going to happen again anytime in the near future.
by star18 on Nov 11, 2009 4:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
example
In 1930 when Hack Wilson put up 56 HR 191 RBI .356 AVG numbers people could have been like “Here we go, Here is the next Babe Ruth”
Now Hack Wilson is a HOF, a great player, but he’s not the next Babe Ruth. There was only 1 Babe Ruth.
There is only 1 Michael Jordan. There is only 1 LeBron James too. Its just that when you compare him there isn’t much of a difference basketball wise to a Wade, a Melo, a Nowitzki. LBJ is on the same level as those guys. That is not how the media puts it. The media makes you believe LBJ is on some golden throne out there with Wade, Melo and Nowitzki throwing rose petals in front of him and kissing his feet. Maybe commercial wise, maybe puppet wise, maybe when you want to sell little trinkets and sugar covered pretzels, and Mr. T/LBJ cereal with Mr. T being the corn pops and LBJ being the marshmellows.
Basketball wise the answer is no. LBJ=Wade,Melo,Nowitzki, and a few other guys. Its not LBJ>Wade, Melo, Nowizki, etc. that is how the media puts it.
by star18 on Nov 11, 2009 5:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
When are they coming out with the Mr. T/LBJ Cereal anyway? I really want to eat a box for breakfast. It would be great looking at little Mr. T faces in my milk, and little LBJ faces as my marshmellows.
C’mon America what are you waiting for. Put the Mr. T/LBJ cereal out already, I want to see the shelves stacked at Stop & Shop.
by star18 on Nov 11, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that obsessing over endorsements does not mean a player is no good. MJ was awesome. Lebron was not proven he can dominate the league in the same way, but still he is awesome.
And there was another Babe Ruth. His name was Barry Bonds. He had some unnatural help, but he dominated baseball in the same way. Also, I hate Babe Ruth love. The guy played in an era where an enormous portion of our country’s greatest baseball players were excluded from competition. As soon as the league was integrated, there was an immediate flood of African American Hall of Famers. Now we have Latin players. There is just no comparison in the type of competition that the Babe faced to the players of today. I do think Babe Ruth was cool as shit, just a shit-load overrated.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
by BTLove on Nov 12, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Babe
Yes I agree that Babe should have played with everybody of all races and colors. He still goes down in history as the #1 sports guy ever because he put balls out of the park at an unheard of rate, and put people in seats like never before. He was even more popular than the President during his time.
Barry Bonds only put up Babe numbers from 2001-04, for the rest of his career he was just a little better than Frank Robinson & Reggie Jackson numbers. Sosa had an unheard of 4 year stretch and so did McGwire. Also, Bonds never won a title. Ruth won 4 titles. Ted Williams put up Babe numbers too when you look at slugging & walks. However if there is one guy who you could say could be another Babe Ruth, it was Hank Aaron. By the way the Hank played the game, his legacy and what he went through to get the HR record.
by star18 on Nov 12, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Babe was the prototype for all super-star athletes in the modern age.
Larger than life. Notorious social presence. Endorsements. Charity work. Think about that last thing – for all his personal / social faults, the Babe really cemented the social contract that creates expectations between celebrity athletes and charities.
As an athlete he was unbelievable. He was an excellent pitcher, posting a 94-46 W-L record and a 2.28 ERA in 163 games. Did Barry Bonds ever do that?
As star18 says, Bonds only put up Babe-like HR numbers in 2001-2004, when he was (IMHO) completely juiced up. Babe Ruth put up huge numbers from 1919 – 1933. Only two seasons (29,25) under 30 HRs in that span and he lead the league in HRs TWELVE TIMES in his career! That shows his dominance of the era! And I’m pretty sure that he did it without PEDs …
The Babe spent his early years as a starting pitcher more than an everyday position player, not getting more than 150 PAs in his first three full years and only 380 in his fourth. One can only wonder what his career HR total would have been if he had gotten 500 PAs in each of those years. He could have easily put up another 100 HRs.
Folks also have to consider how he changed the game, taking it out of the dead ball era. He won his first HR title in 1918 with only 11 HRs. When he hit 29 in 1919, that was freakish. That’s like someone hitting 90 HRs today!
And then he proceeded to hit 54, 59, 35, 41, …
I’m sorry, but Barry Bonds is/was NOT ‘another Babe Ruth’.
by mmmmm on Nov 13, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how in the heck are you gonna forget ray allen hello he is the 1 who made the game winning shot to beat the chicago bulls in the play off game last year remeber the score 115-116 with like 1 second left in the game and i dont want lebron on the celtics i’d rather have chris paul than him and make chris paul the 6th man…
by colts_Fan843 on Nov 10, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chance to get LeBron
I dont have any idea how it might or might not work financially. But, make no mistake about it, every team in the NBA wants this guy and for good reason. Talk about MJ all you want but Lebron has not had a teammate that even begins to compare to Pippen. I am not saying James is as good as MJ but the guy is the best player in the league and it’s not really even close! I think the Lakers seriously consider trading Kobe for him and really any other player in the league is available if the truth be known. I remember Ainge saying when Lebron was still in high school that there were only a couple of players in the league that he wouldnt trade then to get Lebron’s draft rights in two more years. I dont think he has done anything to tarnish that image.
by C'sFanDan on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lebron Part 2
I am sorry but I dont buy that MJ’s Bulls with Rodman and Pippen would definitley lose to any modern team, this one included. I know all the stuff about expansion, no dominant 7 footer, etc. but I dont really remember any dominant 7 footer playing in the finals lately, outside of KG. I know Howard played last year in the Finals but he wasnt dominant in them.
Rodman has to be one of the most underated players in a long time. The man had 5 rings and its not just because he was the second or third fiddle. The guy could play D and rebound like noone else in recent memory. He could guard a lot of different players and you could make a case that he was a better defender then KG. As a rebounder, there are only a few players in NBA history who are his equal and noone during his tenure with the Bulls. And, is there a player who could have guarded Bird, Kobe, Lebron, MJ, and those other player who are suppose to on that same plane Melo, Wade, and oh my Nowitzki? If I can think of one it has to be Pippen. That guy was a stud, let’s not dsicount those Bulls too soon.
by C'sFanDan on Nov 11, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls Vs Today
Yes the Bulls could beat the 2007-09 Celtics/Lakers, but I just think the 2007-09 teams are a little better than the 1990’s Bulls. When you go 1.MJ 2. Pippen 3.Rodman, your 4-12 isn’t that strong because now you are talking about Kerr, Harper, Kukoc as your next three. If you go 1.Kobe 2.Pau 3.Odom then you add Artest or Bynum Ariza or Fisher with 4-12, LA’s 4-12 looks stronger. If you go 1.KG 2.PP. 3. Ray then add Rondo, Sheed, G Davis Perk, with your 4-12, that 4-12 looks stronger as well. Then look at Celtics 8-10 House Shelden Q, probably the greatest 8-10 ever. Now you are taking Pau & Bynum as big men, and KG, Perk & Sheed as big men. All 5 of those guys play a big man’s game because they have the size, height and talent. The big men Jordan went up against were 2nd year Divac, Duckworth, Oliver Miller/Mark West, Sam Perkins, Greg Ostertag. Yes you had Mailman Malone & Kemp who are right there talent wise with KG & Pau, but they don’t really play as effective of a big man’s game and are more power fowards.
Also, I’m only saying that the 2007-09 Celtics & Lakers could beat the 1990’s Bulls. Its not any modern team, its only those two teams because they are the best of the era.
by star18 on Nov 12, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mr.T/Lebron cereal update
Anybody have a box yet for breakfast?
by star18 on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OMG no
now he’s going to tell Brian Scalabrine what number to have and he’s going to tell Bill Walker what to have for lunch.
by star18 on Nov 13, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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