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No D, No Win

No D means no win.

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No D means no win.

Clearly both teams made a pact before the game to play pickup style no-defense in this one.  The only problem is that the Suns don't have Shaq and Terry Porter to slow them down anymore, so they are back to being an offensive force.  

Jason Richardson couldn't miss tonight (6-7 on threes), Nash looked like the 2 time MVP of old, and Amare chipped in with 22 of his own points.

KG had a good offensive game (his new signature move is the alley-oop-layup) and all the starters scored in double figures, but the story of the game was the lack of defense.  You can't count on outscoring the Suns.  Oh yeah, and shooting 50% from the line doesn't help either.

You can't win them all.  Tip your hat to the Suns.

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Ugh

Frustrating. But tomorrow is another day with another game. Let’s just wax the Nets and get back on track.

by Greg Payne on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sun Burned

what a high energy game……I have to think about this but PHX was impressive

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Nov 6, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol is that Ted from Scrubs?

Steve Nash, the league's MVP, is a longhaired Canadian who spoke out against the war in Iraq and reads The Communist Manifesto. Quentin Richardson declared after a game-winning shot that it "was like Hamlet. It was a suspense thriller, and I killed them at the end." Amare Stoudemire, when asked to comment on a 22-point third quarter against the Kings, said, "I've got a tendency to jump over some guys' heads and throw it down."

by rsavaj on Nov 7, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Argh

A ton of missed opportunities for the C’s tonight. Rondo’s missed free throws. Pierce and Wallace tried to play the hero a bit too much for my taste.

by snively on Nov 6, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree

we missed a lot of layups in the first half as well

just wasn’t our night

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

C's NEED A STOPPER DEFENDER!!!!...

NOCIONI, Prince, Dudley, Outlaw, Gomes, Ronnie Brewer, Raja Bell, Posey, whatever…

Use the expirings!!!

¬¬

by Hanzinho on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree in we need a stopper….

by wingate on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True...

Out of those listed I would like Prince…

Would have to give up too much to get him, though.

We would have needed 3 Princes tonight. J-Rich wasn’t only shooting well.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More Names!!!

KELENNA AZUBUIKE!!!!!… and Thabo Sefolosha…

by Hanzinho on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh God

We’re 6-1!! We play the best D in the league (except for tonight). I think we’ll be fine.

- JoeB

by joeb on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you’re right, j.c.- you can’t win them all. amidst the no defense, a lot of bricks. perk played d but was a bricklayer.pp was out of sorts. and nash outplayed rondo. amen again-j.c. the sun is so much better off without shaq. much more room for outside pick and rolls.

by nazzbo on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perks did play well on D

then Doc went for Sheed i guess for 3’s but it went 0-6. Key thing is D!

by poezappa on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid D, Stupid O, Stupid PG Play, Stupid Coaching

By playing their game from the start, we let Richardson out of the bottle. On top of that they out hustled us.

Finally, to top it off, Tommy’s homerism was too much to listen to.

by colincb on Nov 6, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

great game by Phoenix

they pushed the ball on every possession and spread the floor; this was their biggest game of the year, and they played like it; that’s what we can expect every night from the good teams in the league

Celts were a step slow all night

it remains to be seen whether this is a fatal flaw in the Celtics: in a half court game, they can beat any team; but a talented running team might run them off the court

the C’s starters have only looked really good in 3 of 7 games so far

I hope now they will forget about the 72 wins and best team ever talk and just focus on getting better

when the starters come out and dominate the 1st Q on a consistent basis, then we’ll be on our way

by KJR on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

The 72 win and best team ever talk was very premature. I do take into account that this was their 3rd game in 4 nights, but they didn’t play yesterday. I didn’t like how they played against Minnesota either. They were fortunate to come away with a win there. Sure, it’s their first loss, and I’ll take 6-1, but I’m beginning to think they’re not as good as I or they thought. Please prove me wrong, C’s! By the way, I don’t think there’s any reason for any pro team to shoot only 50% from the free throw line. That’s inexcusable.

by 34green on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Little early to make a judgement about the team either way imo

by NoraG1 on Nov 7, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think our biggest problem was a lack of energy. We turned on the defensive jets with 5 minutes to go but the Suns were already in rhythm and confident and they used our hectic defense against us. The biggest blows were Channing Frye’s 2 4th quarter J’s (taking advantage of KG’s aggressive help) and Amare’s drive on Sheed when Sheed got way to far up on him. The KG-Rondo miscommunication on that last Nash 3 was pretty painful too: KG effectively screened Rondo.

by snively on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nash out played rondo?

How so?
                              MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREBDREBREB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS
Steve Nash, PG 36 5-11 3-6 3-4 1 2 3 12 0 0 6 3 -7 16
Rajon Rondo, PG38 7-12 0-1 0-3 2 0 2 11 3 0 1 3 +4 14

we all know rondo is not a three point shooter (only one attempt at buzzer) and not a great ft shooter and nash is one of the best all time at ft.

The bench lost us the game, and too many people took the night off on defense, suns ran and made us look old on the pick and roll.

im not worried, a reality check.

by HoustonRondos on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

PHX won but to me until they learn to play defense they will go nowhere. C’s had an off night defensively but it will be back.

by NoraG1 on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

True

While they may not be the C’s, Magic, or Cavs, the Suns this year are a respectable 12th or 13th in defensive rating in the entire league. It seems to be they’re learning how to play D slowly.

by Azrael on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

passing lanes

They do have a knack for passing lanes and smart players (nash, dudley, hill), they make plays.

by HoustonRondos on Nov 6, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Missing...

I want my baby back, baby back, baby back…

by Snowball on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just one loss...

We knew it would happen. It’s behind us now so let’s focus on New Jersey. They will be trying for their 1st win.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If it takes the...

Thirteenth 3-point basket by the opponent—-with less than a minute remaining—-in Boston`s 3rd game in 4 nights——to finally bring about a Celtic defeat…that should indicate that the Celts are one tough team to put away!

by Title 18 on Nov 6, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nah...

our defense was fine. The intensity was then. On offense we were great. Sheed maybe should have given it to Ray more down the stretch, but other than that we had great play from everyone on the offensive end.

We wanted this game. Suns just hit everything. It happens. I’m not calling it bad defense… it’s just better offense by the Suns tonight.

by LarBrd33 on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think we did great offensively.PP was 5-15, Sheed 4-12. we played with energy, RR to KG alley’s, low post from perks but the plays are not enough on the other hand Nash making plays and keeps pushing. R Defense tonight arrggh those pick & rolls.

by poezappa on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the perimeter Defense..

Our interior defense is sound, I think…it’s the perimeter defense that sometimes falters.

But overall the Suns really played a great game. They had to in order to beat us.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Suns played a smart game. We started playing their brand of basketball, and Richardson caught fire. I think out of almost any team in the league, the Suns I don’t really mind losing to. Could be cause of how much I love Nash though.

by 18isGREATERthan72 on Nov 6, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What did Boston ever do to Jason Richardson?

He lights us up every time. He must really hate us or something, ‘cuz he doesn’t bring it like that to everyone else.

by Black Bird on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he's not the only one, though..

That player from Minnesota (Oleksiyy, I think), Peja Stojakovic from New Orl…players that normally don’t score a lot almost single-handedly beat us.

We’ll get them back in Phoenix.

Defense wins games (And Championships)!

by Celtics18and19 on Nov 6, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Nash can play like this at 36...

…why does everyone think our window is only about 2 more years? Why not 4 or 5?

Anyway…. Cs didn’t deserve to win, but they still could have. Tommy was right about the refs… they were ridiculously one-sided tonight. For all the atrocious perimeter D (what D?), the missed FTs (they shot better 3 pointers than the Cs did free throws), and the hustle imbalance, Cs still had a shot at this game. If 2 or 3 of the calls had been made correctly, who knows? That’s pretty amazing to me, considering how much better the Suns seemed to play tonight. It’s hard to imagine anyone beating the Celtics if/when they play reasonably well.

by DRJ1 on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just ridiculous

The game was called fairly, Suns made all the hustle plays and refused to fold under the pressure of the Celtics’ runs. They made a big shot every time the Celts got close. Officiating was not a factor whatsoever, Tommy’s opinion nonwithstanding

by nba is the worst on Nov 7, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't win them all

Lots of aberrations (hopefully) tonight:
1. Bad bench play, outside of Daniels. House put up an 0-fer, proving once again that he can be taken out of a game if the defense focuses on him. He also should never play point again; not sure why Doc continues to beat that dead horse. ‘Sheed was good inside the arc, but terrible outside of it.
2. Tired or Old? Both, at least tonight. No energy out there in the 1st half, and we let the Suns set the pace of the game all night long. Our defensive rotations were BAD. Suns seemed to make all the hustle plays (though Rondo’s offensive rebound putback was beautiful).
3. Bad shooting, from the line and the arc. Of course, we could have gotten to the line more (there was a real bad stretch of questionable calls from the early 3rd to late 4th); and we could have gotten to the rim more too. I’d like to see more self-consciousness from this team, we could have gotten a layup pretty much ever possession if we worked for one. But we didn’t. We just kept taking and missing 3 pointers. Rondo, especially, spent too much time seeking out people spotting for 3s than he did probing the defense for layups. He could have scored 30 tonight. He had a nice line tonight, but I thought Nash totally controlled the game throughout. Rondo could have taken that control away from Nash by scoring against Nash’s terrible defense—for the most part, he let Nash rest.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Look at the amounts of games the C’s have played. I think any team would be tired in this kind of stretch. They play tomorrow then have a stretch where they play alot fewer games. Why can’t they make the sch. a little more balanced is beyond me.

by NoraG1 on Nov 7, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KG comments somewhat delusional

“They made shots and we didn’t” isn’t really what the game came down to. It was more the Celtics settling for playing Phoenix style basketball and making only a half-hearted defensive effort that cooked their goose tonight. Some may argue that the Celtics are feeling the effects of a rough stretch, but Phoenix is on a long East Coast swing that should be tiring them as well. It looked to me like some players have been reading their press clippings a little too much.

To beat a team like Phoenix, you need to slow the pace not run with them. Use the 24-second clock and make them chase the ball on defense.

This was the least entertaining game of the year to this Celtics fan and not just because they lost. It looked like a squad of individuals most of the time rather than a team.

by lemonade sky on Nov 7, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"To beat a team like Phoenix, you need to slow the pace not run with them"

actually the Heat ( whose defense is second to the C’s so far ) tried that 3 days ago, and the Suns beat them 104-96. Their one loss came from Orlando who out suns-ed them and hung 122 points on them…

 The Cs actually out assisted the Suns, which is normally a good indicator of team play..and they obviously shot well enough to win. And they outrebounded them and only gave up 7 offensive boards. And they ( the suns ) were connecting on some tough contested shots..

 So all in all, I’m going with KG on this one..

by Fritzy on Nov 7, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They didn't want it as much

as the suns. We lost because they out hustled us. Cs need to play with full intensity to beat the good teams. The Cs seemed to lack confidence tonght. No clamp down D. Missed a ton of shots in the paint 3Ps and FTs suns were playing with playoff intensity and Cs needed to do the same but didn’t. Should be a wake up call.

by Daveonthecape on Nov 7, 2009 12:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I thought both teams really wanted this game

The Pierce elbow to Nash’s jaw and the sideline tackle by Sheed showed that.

FT problems for the Suns also, because that’s where pressure shows. After the Suns regained their 11-pt lead in the 4th, Doc waited too long to put the starters back in, and Sheed had his worst shooting game and in retrospect Perk should have been there for the final run.

Regardless of the schedule, it doesn’t bode well long term for the team to look this tired so early in the season. PP over 40 minutes again, KG 35. It’s a long season, limit the minute4s for the “elderly”!

by nba is the worst on Nov 7, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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