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Appreciating Good Tony

Tony Allen is an easy target on this blog.  He's known for his maddeningly low basketball IQ and frequent boneheaded plays.  But he's on this basketball team and in the NBA for a reason.  He's athletic, aggressive (which is important: see Gerald Green), and he gets after it on defense.  When the stars align and he is focused on what he needs to do to help the team win, good things can happen like they did last night.

TA making immediate impact - ESPN Boston

Allen connected on 4 of 5 shots for eight points, with three rebounds and two assists in 17 minutes. Most impressively, he finished with a game-high plus-14 in the plus/minus category, showing how much he contributed at both ends of the floor in a dominant second quarter for the Green.

"[Allen] was big for us," said Celtics captain Paul Pierce. "He came in and gave us some very productive minutes. He was able to play defense for us and he came back in the nick of time with Marquis being out so he was able to fill the void. We are able to put him on different guys, defensively, and what people don’t know is that he can get to the basket and score the ball, too."

"Tony was terrific," said Rivers. "That's what our bench has to do at times, help stretch out that lead."

There were some head scratching moments last night (like the double dribble for instance) but they were few and far between and were far outweighed by the positives he brought to the floor.  

I was particularly impressed with his rebounding and going after loose balls.  That kind of "get after it" mentality might be what has been missing from the team lately.  Not that he alone is going to solve our rebounding woes, but sometimes it just takes the effort of one man to remind everyone else how to get after the ball with the same burst that you would use on a dribble drive.  Sure, boxing out is great, but sometimes a guy that is boxed out can simply will himself around the screen and snatch the ball faster than his opponent.  Our guys need to do more of that and Tony was that kind of guy last night.

Here's hoping for more of the same.  He's got his ninth life now and he used it to help us to our ninth win.  We'll see how much more of the Good Tony we see in the coming weeks, which would make Doc's job a whole lot easier with Daniels out.

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Nice Touch Jeff

When the guy plays within himself, and the team concept, he is so much better than the other choices for the second unit. Even with all the rust, it’s obvious the guy has a nose for the ball, and knows how to play the game.

by amenhotep04 on Dec 11, 2009 6:10 AM EST reply actions  

I’ll remain open to the idea that TA can provide net positive depth of solid D and a little of everything else for 10-15 mpg and as a stopgap at the very least NBA caliber athlete while Daniels is out. However, I’ll be much more comfortable if he ever learns to just get the ball to a point guard if he comes up with a steal/rebound and there’s one or more defenders between him and the other basket. In other words, he should never dribble over half court unless he pick pockets his man himself at midcourt/top of key and there’s no one else there.

by Fan from VT on Dec 11, 2009 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

On occasion

he can make the right play leading the break such as his first game dishing out to House for a missed 3 however it’s too often that he doesn’t so yes give the ball up on the break and then use your speed to get open. What his speed does such as last night on a break he was the first Celtic up the floor which drew the defender and allowed Rondo to throw an alley oop to KG. That’s what I want to see more of.

I trust the good Tony the first through 3 quarters not so much in the 4th. I’ll take that until Daniels comes back and if Tony is playing well by then it just gives Doc more options to choose from.

by JBcat on Dec 11, 2009 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

Don't give Doc more options to choose from - please!

Doc’s rotations suffer from too many options as it is. For all his strengths, I agree with many people that his rotations don’t always make sense, and that he doesn’t give certain players (young ones) a chance to show what they can do in the game.

I’ll temporarily suspend my TA bashing for the sake of C’s blog harmony, as long as everybody promises to agree that Tony is not an option at PG.

by milt palacio's shot on Dec 11, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

66 and a title, 62, and on pace for 67

Results are what count. Would it be better if the rotations perfectly suited your fancy, but the final W totals were worse? Geesh, the second guessing never ends.

TA is needed right now with Quisy out, CelticBlog experts agreed or not. If he didn’t play, all we would hear is how Ray and Paul are playing too much.

by KJ33 on Dec 11, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

points taken, but...

45, 33, 24, THEN 66, 62, and on pace for 67

I love the Celtics win totals lately and I’m not a Doc basher, BUT he’s not a perfect coach, the players aren’t perfect players, and so the team isn’t currently playing to full potential. The nature of this blog is that we all care about the C’s to the point where just watching the games and accepting what happens is not enough. I don’t read this blog only to relish Celtics’ wins (I do that too, but not solely!) so pardon me for noticing Doc’s curious rotations and the C’s tendency to eke out games against far weaker teams.

And there are other options at backup wing besides more PT for Paul and Ray. Hudson or Walker come to mind… but as I said, I’m not Tony-bashing until the next time he draws on offensive foul on a 3 – 1 fast break…

by milt palacio's shot on Dec 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Good article Jeff

The universe has spoken. Tony gets another chance. Don’t be surprised if he takes it and runs with it.

And, if he can continue to stay healthy and work off the rust, he has a chance to be what he was at least for one game last night: the best player off our bench. Don’t forget, his pre-injury #s last season would make him the leading scorer on this season’s bench (through18 games). His strengths—such as getting to the rim, getting to the line, perimeter defense and scrappiness—are all things this team needs now with Daniels out.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Dec 11, 2009 7:57 AM EST reply actions  

I am the

first one to jump all over Tony and start the hate-fest but I have to say that I was impressed with his play in the past two games. I fully expected complete boneheadedness and a loss of athleticism and speed due to injury and rust. However, he came out and played within himself and within the team.

Sure he had his moments but that is Tony, warts and all. But it is nice to see him do the small stuff. Two plays stick out to me in particular – following through on a shot in the first quarter of last nights game to get the offensive put back for the three point play and getting the ball at the arc against the Bucks jab stepping his defender cutting to the lane drawing in the defense and kicking it over to Ray for 3. Both were small plays in the course of the game, but both were good heads up plays that helped the Celtics keep momentum and put points on the board.

Tony gets a pass from me until further notice.

by jasail33 on Dec 11, 2009 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

echo that

Let him play, but keep him on a short leash. I hate to admit it, but it’s true that TA has potential to really strengthen the bench… if he can keep it under control

by milt palacio's shot on Dec 11, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i should change my name to tonyfan

I’ve always liked tony but but…..
sometimes i think he will put it all together…. but
there is always that boneheaded move that pops up & you say to yourself ahhh Tony Allen,
But hey the kid can play.
i consider him & delate twins because DA drafted them back to back…
Hope TA makes that best of his lasted oppertunity,

by tommyfan on Dec 11, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

good for tony. one hope is that he accumulates some cred. and can become a better trading chip.i hate to say this, but i was glad to see scal pinned to the bench.

by nazzbo on Dec 11, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Did he double dribble?

He palmed crossing midcourt… is that what you mean, or did he also double dribble sometime that I missed?

Yeah, have to agree… lotta good things, only 1 boneheaded play per game so far… definitely a net positive. And in more ways than one — if he keeps it up, he will not only be helping the team when it really needs it, he will also be increasing his value in the trade that, no doubt, Danny would still love to swing.

by DRJ1 on Dec 11, 2009 8:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

you are right

I think the actual call was “illegal dribble” which sounds like the same thing to me

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Dec 11, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

ninth ROAD win (you mean)

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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Dec 11, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

still a little sloppy

which is to be expected from a guy whose game has never been the cleanest, and who hasn’t played consistant minutes in a long time.

but there are certainly distinctive elements to like: his first bucket in the post plus the foul, for instance. it seems like a simple play but it’s the kind of aggressive ‘to the basket’ mentality that we’ve rarely seen on the second unit since the big 3 arrived.

we need someone off the bench who can create his own shot off the dribble. here’s to hoping tony can sharpen up the tools a little bit over the course of the winter.

or, that he looks good enough to get himself traded for someone worth playing….

by ssspence on Dec 11, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions  

Great point, Jeff

about how Tony’s hustle and energy points out what has been missing from this team of late, despite the win streak. It can be contagious, too. Great article.

by footey on Dec 11, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

meh.....

He wasn’t that impressive……..it’s was Ok….one game doesn’t make a ninth life

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Dec 11, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Yep...

He had one good half, and one poor one. He also managed 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 17 minutes. Nothing to write home about.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Dec 11, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yikes

The last time I read stuff about TA on here in the offseason, everyone was all over him; cut him, trade him, just don’t play him. Now you’re changing your tone this fast? Maybe you guys should think things through before jumping to conclusions. He’s only been here what, 5 years? And you guys still don’t know who he is and what he can do?

by Silhouette on Dec 11, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Showcasing

Another positive thing or good thing happened with Tony playing ok is it gives an updated showcasing of what he can potentially do for another team when/if Danny try trading him for an upgrade on the bench.Good showing TA.

by house_call on Dec 11, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

He was great

up until he didn’t pass it to rondo who he most assuredly saw come through his view and then subsequently carried it. As as expected.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Dec 11, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

It's the Christmas season

We’re on a 9-0 roll. Tony Allen is back and you’d have to be a real boob to bash him now. He’s the easiest guy for fans to pick apart because any amateur can pick out bad Tony from good Tony. But maybe, just maybe, he’s hit a maturity point in his life and good Tony wins. Wouldn’t that be a nice Christmas present

by Wildblu1 on Dec 11, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed tis the seaon for

Tony to add some nice athleticism off the bench. Play your game Tony.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Article

Very good thoughts here, some of the best writing I’ve seen in recent days on this site. TA’s defensive abilities are under-appreciated but of great worth to the Celtics. He’s the guy we want there for sure.

by JFoss on Dec 11, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

I am not a big TA fan....

but have to say he played well last night and hope he keeps up his good play.

I hope I am wrong but , what I fear is, TA’s has shown over the years he is a player with limited talent and is very inconsistent, especially on the offensive end of the court and we will eventually see that TA soon again.

I hope TA proves me wrong though and plays well over the next few months so his trade value can increase and that along with his valuable expiring contract will make it more likely the C’s can trade TA for a bigger defending small forward who can help us guard stronger , longer, athletic small forwards in the NBA that give Pierce and Daniels fits which TA also would not be able to defend.

If your a TA fan and want to see him stay and help the C’s or a non TA fan who hopes to see TA traded for another player who is a upgrade and can help the C’s more than TA can, in either case we all must hope TA continues to play well so both camps can be happy.

by fordescort on Dec 11, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I not a big fan either....

… But that was one of the best games I’ve seen Tony play. The mistakes he did make made me realize that it’s not that he thinks to little but too much. When he doesn’t over think or make things complicated he can play. I’m still not on the Tony band wagon ( If there is one…) but he contributed last night.

by liamail on Dec 11, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Perfect Storm for Us

Tony is playing in a contract year for his basketball life. This could be his last opportunity.
If he keeps playing like this it’s a plus, plus. We can deal him or keep him to strengthen the bench even more.

by Steal by Bird on Dec 11, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

I said AT LEAST 5 in a row

and at least 11-3 before Christmas

I’m making a few bold and contrarian predictions right now. The Celtics will win at least 5 games in a row starting Sunday night against the Knicks. They will also lose at most 3 of the 14 games before meeting the Magic again on Christmas (so that’s at least an 11-3 run).

just 2 wins away from getting that right too

for my next trick, I will make the Lakers disappear (from the top of the standings at least)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Impressive night for TA, for sure

I’m another one who has long vented plenty of frustration regarding TA – but I was thrilled with his play last night.

I’m not making any long-term value judgments off of one night, but more of the same would be very nice.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Dec 11, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

there’s an interesting TA article in the herald where he sounds very humbled and introspective about his injury history, and coming back from this on in particular:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20091211early_returns_positive_on_tony_allens_work/

by bMunch on Dec 11, 2009 11:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

tony tony tony has done it agian

Loved Tony from the get go. Most people don’t remember him from OKS, but he was a game changer. He was fast and as athletic or the most athletic player on the floor in college. He came in when the team was young and only had PP. When PP went down in TA third year Doc turned to him and said “your the man”. He then went ahead and proceeded to average like 16 points a game for 20ish games and right before his knee blew up, he was getting 20+ points 3+ games in a row. Then the foul and trying to impress himself came down out side of his leg and I cringed. I couldn’t believe that I just saw him blow out all 3 ligaments in a NON play. Where would TA be if that play never happened? It was either right at the beginning or right before the Celtics went on the 18 game losing streak. That TA hasn’t shown since, however he is healthier now then he has been since then and with a little confidence he could round back into shape. I fear the old TA from OKS, who would every game dunk a rebound on the fly, will never be the same. I have seen some of his college games where he would hit his head on the backboard while tapping a rebound back in. That was two knee injuries ago and here’s to him not needing another one. When he got hurt last season, all I was saying was please, please, please don’t be the knees. I thought another knee injury would completely destroy his career. Love TA, met him at a meet and greet in the Hall in his rookie year and got a signed picture of him. Great guy and I hope he gets to play more in the future, being a Celtic or not.

Jeffrey M Melhorn

by 18-1 damn on Dec 11, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't see the 1st quarter & early part of the 2nd...

…when Tony was doing his work. In the 2nd half he looked tired & starting making mistakes. Turnover, missed assignment, cheap foul. To give him the benefit of the doubt, you could easily say that was rust & being out of game shape.

The plus/minus stat based on last night’s game proves to me that the stat doesn’t tell the whole story.

The starters are all – or 0, but accounted for a vast majority of the points, rebounds, assists, steals & blocks. They limited themselves to 9 turnovers, but commited most of the fouls.

by LuckyNumber07 on Dec 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

trade value

I’m just glad he’s out there now showing he can play
for one reason: trade value.
sorry but that’s how i feel on TA.

by Snowball on Dec 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

i see ta being advertised too. da is going to make one more move this season

by vgarcia890 on Dec 11, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I would trade Tony..

… if it was an upgrade. But I would trade anyone if it was an upgrade.

by Little D on Dec 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Yes and...

… you would too. An upgrade over #34 only leaves a few players and you know who they are.

by Little D on Dec 11, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No chance 34 is getting traded

so don’t worry about it.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Dec 12, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Surprised to see

how quick TA still is. The speed he showed when blowing by the defense for a layup was amazing considering his injury history. His speed on that cut reminded me of Rondo. I wonder who would win in a race!
Also about “upgrading” by trading 34, you’re insane. PP beat both LeBron and Kobe in route to our title and he bested LeBron again this year in game 1 and Durant in the OKC game. You don’t trade the truth! He’s got a few more years left!

by Daveonthecape on Dec 12, 2009 6:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Upgrade

I understand PP isn’t going anywhere but if you were given the opportunity to trade PP for Lebron and you declined; I would have to say that you judgement is cloudy and you would be in the minority.

You also said "PP beat both LeBron and Kobe in route to our title " I disagree, the team beat the Cavs and lakers. Do you remember Wilt?

Agree on your TA comment.

by Little D on Dec 12, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

As soon as the extent of Marquis' injury....

was determined, I thought about this with TA…

the fates are a fickle and curious thing.

Written off for dead… ‘the Tony’ gets another chance.

by Tom Halzack on Dec 12, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

I have been as critical of TA as anyone. But as long as he’s going to be used as a rotation player I will cheer for him and try to keep an open mind.

by dooyork on Dec 14, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

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