Krypto-Nate Wants To Wear Green Full-time
by Jeff Clark on Dec 21, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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PrintRobinson does want out, and a source close to the Robinson camp tells ESPN.com there's one place the former slam-dunk champion would truly like to land if a trade can be worked out: Boston.
Robinson also is what's known as a base-year compensation player, a designation given to any player whose salary rises more than 20 percent from the previous season (Robinson went from making $2.02 million to $4 million). If the Knicks found a trade for Robinson that was to his liking, they could only take back a player making $2.02 million or less -- and Walsh has been adamant that he will not take on any contracts that eat up the cap space he has squirreled away for next summer. (Note: A trade of Robinson to Boston for J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker would work under salary cap rules, but would add nearly $2 million to the Knicks' 2010-11 payroll. A Robinson-Marquis Daniels swap -- with all deals possibly brokered through a third team -- would make more sense for New York payroll-wise, but it is questionable whether that would interest the Celtics -- even with Daniels sidelined until the All-Star break by thumb surgery.
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NOOOOO
We already have an underzised, shoot first point guard coming off the bench, we do not need another one.
Nate
He probably doesn’t fit on our team. However, if we can get him for Walker and Giddens that is an absolute steal. Neither plays much and might even be cut by the Knicks after the trade.
If he acts up we could cut him, if he plays well then we gave up a 14th and 15th man in order to obtain him.
Giving Up
two possible future stars for a rent-a-jerk the C’s might have to cut in the end is not an “absolute steal”, it’s a waste of time. That’s why the article basically dismisses the chances of the Celtics agreeing to this. Next.
Possible Future Stars?
I will agree that Nate is a jerk but Walker and Giddens are not future stars in the NBA, roll players maybe, stars no. Nate is the most talented player of the three and has the most upside and downside.
This is a 21-5 team with the best record in the conference, not a 15-10 team. There’s no need to totally re-tool the roster a quarter of the way into the season with a guy who might have no impact at all other than starting fights in the locker room.
I’d rather have two possible stars than one definite decent player who’s also a definite asshole. And before you try to argue with “possible stars” again, look up the word “possible”, then report back.
Reporting Back...
…not arguing, I’m stating my humble opinion and I didn’t use the word possible, you did.
Again, in my opinion, there is as much “possibility” of Nate being a nice guy in the locker room as there is of Giddens or Walker being stars in the nba. Remember, I said stars. Also, I am not advocating that the Celtics make this trade but if they did, IMO it would not be classified as a “total re-tool of the roster”
Let me rephrase:
There’s no need to change the roster AT ALL.
I realize people like to fantasize about trades and complain every time the Celtics lose, but they have one of the best records in the NBA and we’re only a quarter of the way through the season.
Any trade that would even have the slightest potential to unbalance team chemistry isn’t worth it.
I am one of the very few
but I would like to see another seven footer on the bench. Perks shoulder, Sheeds temperament and KG (Baby has girth but no length) going up against Bynum, Gasol and Odom has me wanting someone else five to seven minutes a game.
I tend to agree
I"m not saying I wouldn’t move some of our expiring contracts for the right player.
But it should be damn near 100% certainty that it would improve the team for this year.
The team is constructed to vie for a championship THIS year and the chemistry is very good. I’m not saying that the mix is perfect and that they couldn’t use an improvement here or there – but you have to be very careful before you mess with it.
Concur!
When I go on my rant about adding another seven footer, I continue to forget about Shelden. I don’t know why! I love what Shelden brings to the team. I agree with everything you said about him and what you said about adding someone else to the roster. That being said, I worry about Bynum and Gasol posting up in the paint. I’m not sure that Shelden is capable of obstructing their vision like Perk, Wallace and KG.
Well, when you finally get to the championship series
we’ll have only gotten there if Perk, Sheed and Wallace are all healthy.
And Shelden won’t get many minutes in that series until/unless there is a mop-up game (like the last game of 2008).
No big we will possibly find anywhere will be good enough to change that equation (i.e. get us to the final without those guys being healthy).
It would not be to get us there
it would be to play due to foul trouble or injury. Both happened during the finals two years ago.
Anyway, that’s my paranoia!
Disagree
I think the Celtics do just fine without any one of them. I certainly think the Celts would be in trouble with 2 or all of them gone.
very good for his size (Mugsy Bouges in high heels)
but I am willing to play the hand we have already been dealt…keep Lester, Billy and JR…..
Is it Soup Yet?
If it was possible
I would love to straight up replace JR Giddens with Nate Robinson…but I would hate to lose Bill Walker
No, he doesn't quite fit the team....
…but he’s a potent scorer and a high energy guy.
Tony Allen has been playing very well….and is still likely to be much more NBA ready than either Giddens or Walker.
He’s not a perfect fit, but you find a way to get him into the rotation when the situation permits….
No Way...
Not only is he undersized by a lot and does he look for his shot first but D’Antoni benched him for 8 straight games because he would follow the team game plan, TEAM… Something’s rotten in NY and it ain’t the coaching. Look at the team flourish while he sits.
by BleedinGreen417 on Dec 21, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions
no for me
I don’t think this is the kind of value I’m looking for via trade
not a fan of the guy or his game
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
No thanks
From top to bottom, the Knicks franchise is infected with a spirit of loserdom and any player who has been there for a significant period of time is going to be tainted, and will bring a corrosive and disruptive cloud of stink of failure to the locker room, like the character Pigpen from Peanuts, with a cloud of dirt floating around him. Marbury was far more talented than Robinson, but by the time the Celtics got him, his soul had been eaten away by the Knicks franchise to the point where he was a shadow of his former self, and looking at him just made you feel kind of sad. You could take Larry Bird in his prime and put him on the current Knicks team, and instead of Bird making the other players more Birdlike, the Knicks would turn Bird into a selfish, lazy, mean-spirited, overpaid, weak, stupid, injury-prone, drug addicted loser. The Knicks franchise is like a house where the foundation is all corrupted and eaten away and crumbling from mold and it smells like cheese, and they keep tacking on aluminum siding or new paint and trying to sell it to another generation of suckers, when what they really need to do is raze the whole thing and start over. They got rid of Isaiah Thomas who was like a walking cancer, and that was a big step, but really the problems start with the ownership. The Dolans are demonic seedlings of Satan, and before making any personnel decisions they are required to consult their sulfury master and get his input.
You made me laugh, I love your analogies!
“and will bring a corrosive and disruptive cloud of stink of failure to the locker room, like the character Pigpen from Peanuts, with a cloud of dirt floating around him”
“the Knicks would turn Bird into a selfish, lazy, mean-spirited, overpaid, weak, stupid, injury-prone, drug addicted loser”
" Knicks franchise is like a house where the foundation is all corrupted and eaten away and crumbling from mold and it smells like cheese, and they keep tacking on aluminum siding or new paint and trying to sell it to another generation of suckers"
“The Dolans are demonic seedlings of Satan, and before making any personnel decisions they are required to consult their sulfury master and get his input.”
I am still laughing!
Brilliant! So . . . um . . . how ’bout them Lakers? ; )
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 21, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
he'd be unhappy here too
because he’d be getting a number fo DNP-CD’s here as well. only difference is he’s got a shot at a ring here. not sure that’s enough to keep him in line.
any trades we make with our trade chips needs to bring back someone better than Nate.
nate robinson is a good player
getting numbers on a bad team… if he comes to the Cs and plays within the offense, and does not ballhog like he did with the knicks.. then he will pretty much be useless cause he needs the ball in his hands..
He's not even getting minutes, let alone numbers.
He’s been benched in 8 straight games, and his team has actually been able to get some wins… That says A LOT.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
yup...
but yeah i was talking about last year and years before…
the guy just isnt a team player..
by matthewmafa on Dec 22, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care
what Nate Robinson wants. His feelings are irrelevant. The question is whether Danny could engineer a trade that would, in the short-term and long-term, help the team’s title chances without hurting them.
The answer is no.
Next.
You know where he makes the most sense?
In Atlanta. They are arguably the 4th best team in the East, they love his style of play and he’s a perfect with with their chemistry/culture of play there.
"Salmon and Mash Potatoes"
Greg + Tony OSU Class of '04
Nate Robinson is the #1 player...
…I would LEAST want to see wearing a Celtic uniform!
He`s 5`9"….with an I.Q. that is slightly under 59!
Don Nelson/George Karl
Covet these types of players. Also Larry Brown loves to obtain any player and then throw them out. Come to think of it, Larry and Nate have already been together.
what does Nate think will happen if he somehow gets traded to boston?
does he really think he can come here and ballhog his way to playing time and a ring?
Nate???
Please dont start adding malcontents (see Rasheed) to an otherwise fantastic franchise in the attempts of hoping they act and/or play good enough to secure and/or upgrade your point guard situation. Esspecially if you have to give up peices that already mesh with your “umbuntu” (sp?) Theme. Stay the course people! You team as well as mine took a chance adding a supposed “cancer” and both our team are leading the NBA…so far so good. Aint nutting worse than players wanting to piggy back off the league leaders on an attempt to get a ring
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Dec 21, 2009 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Upchucking
Robinson’s record:
- 42.7% FG%
- 35% 3Pt%
- 2.7 Assists/game
- And the man doesn’t play defense. Can’t guard anybody.
Why on Earth would you consider such a player? He’s a chucker… and if he became a Celtic we’d all be upchucking.
hes more of a crowd attracter..
get the crowd excited… kinda guy.. hes one of those guys who probably wont win a championship unless he comes off the bench for 10 15 minutes… he wont be a starting point gaurd on a championship team cause hes selfish… rondo is not selfish he looks for others mostly… robinson gets his own and then careas about winning.. but hey.. at least hes fun to watch..
If Nate Robinson became a Celtic, the rancid odor of failure and apathy that has been ingrained into his DNA from playing for the Knicks would seep through his pores and would start to waft over the whole Fleet center, and as the fans caught a whiff of the noxious sulfuric stench of loserhood the stinging bile would rise in our throats, and we would all start gagging and barfing, and the barf would splatter on the ground and pour down from the stands, long clammy orange rivers of thick, acidic puke, and it would flood the court, and the ball boys would race about futilely trying to mop up the great chunky wave of vomit, and all the basketball players would be sliding about and slipping in the great reeking river of sick, stumbling over each other in a sticky, tangled jumble of satanic upchuck.
howd did you do that..
whose the best of the 3?
who would win in a slam dunk contest webb or robinson
by matthewmafa on Dec 21, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Nice art work too ...
Part of the Japanese on the upper left corner said “Little Giants”
by getthat18now on Dec 22, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
Noooooooooo00000000000OOOOO!
I live in NYC and I’ve seen way too many Knick games over Robinson’s career. He is Eddie House without the veteran smarts, height, passing ability or defense. Think about that.
exactly
even better stated then brickowski above..
by matthewmafa on Dec 21, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
We do not need Nate!
He shoots too much and not all that selectively! He doesn’t play defense ever!
He makes too much money! And we would end up cutting him! Giddens and walker
won’t ever be stars. I’m not sure giddens will be in the NBA next year. Walker when healthy shows flashes of wow! But he isn’t yet consistant. Walker does have potential to be a good role player. What we need is a SF who is long and athletic and can hit open j’s and play solid team “defense.” I hope we make a trade soon to upgrade that area. TA will be hurt or garbage real soon….and yes I saw his dunk and 15 pts. Daniels is more of a pg/sg. We need glen back daniels back and trade ta giddens and scal and find us a Sf Danny.
i would
he would be kept in line by KG & Perk.
Add a nice dimension off the bench…
having said that… would not disrupt what we have….
Disrupt what we have?
He’d be a back-up PG..He can handle and shoot. I’m not head over heals in love with him but for a couple of D-leaguers.. it’s intriguing..
kryptonate
If danny could parlay a trade into netting two athletic forward/centers with length and rebounding strengths for the bench, then I could see natedog,player,player,sheed,and marquis on the second squad. marquis can slash, two bigs can crash, nate can get coached up like marbury, and sheed can just kill you inside out.—subtract giddens,walker,scal,t-allen, clutch in a blowout E. house….maybe keep sheldon for depth behind glendave and cultivate hudson. Potentially a monster second Unit where the focus should be IMO…
malcontents....the lot of you
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