Kobe injures knee: They'll say he's OK, but he's not
by DRJ1 on Dec 23, 2009 1:57 AM EST
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PrintQ4 vs. Thunder, Kobe came down awkwardly on his left knee and immediately went down holding that knee in a lot of pain. He got up gingerly, walked around a bit, then came back to play, apparently alright. He was smiling in the post-game interviews... but unfortunately, he's in trouble, and I think he knows it.
On replay, you can see that knee buckle, the knee going in, the lower leg swinging out. That's the MCL getting AT LEAST strained. Possibly torn. (Actually, I think it's likely torn. The knee cannot normally get to that angle without damaging the MCL.) He'll have an MRI to figure it out. But at best, that knee is now very fragile. There's no knowing exactly what all this means now, but if they're smart, they'll rest him for AT LEAST the next 2-3 weeks. I know it sounds impossible, especially if you're a Lakers fan... but if they don't do it, he could REALLY injure that knee and lose the whole season.
To pslakerfan, and all our comrades-in-arms from the other coast... I'm sorry this is happening. We actually talked about this just a few days ago, in the other fanpost. Didn't think it would come up so soon. I sincerely hope he will be OK. As a Celtics fan, I do NOT want Kobe out in the playoffs. No way, no how. Anybody who does... well, don't listen to them. We've all been waiting for that long-delayed Finals rematch. I would hate for it to be marred by a Kobe injury.
Take care of Kobe. The guy's a true warrior... playing with a broken finger, injuring his knee, getting smacked in the face... still finishes the game with a win, smiles for the interview. Gotta respect the man and the work he does.
Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.
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hahah
you ar efunny… he is not missing time.. hes a warrior and he just hyper extended it..
please celtics moderators delete this fanpost because it is a lie.. false info and misleading..
Believe it or not, I hope you're right
But what I saw did not look good.
wow
are you serious…
he did this in the preseason 1 year ago but even worse… this one was a minor little thing and he played through it.. its nothing and you are kinda overreacting in this fanpost
Sorry, I am
The video looked very bad. The knee buckled exactly like an MCL tear. Not a huge one, no…. obviously, he’s still walking on it. Probably a Grade I… requiring 1-3 weeks off. Possibly Grade II, which would require a month or so. No way to tell from what they showed… the amount of swelling and instability will make it clear. That and the MRI.
can't tell if you are joking or not.
I think it’s either 8 weeks off or no time at all. Leaning way, way toward no time at all.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
I didn't think so,
but I wasn’t sure. Interesting post below about Leon Powe. I forgot about that. Maybe I should be concerned. If he really is hurt you will be due some apologies by a few Laker fans. Don’t hold your breath though. =)
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Nah... not looking for apologies
At all. I’m actually upset about this. He’s such a tough fighter… never gives up on a game… pleasure to see that. But, we’re all human… and the knee is one of our weakest body parts.
You know, of course… eventually everybody goes down… one way or another. And it’s always sad to see.
Hope I’m wrong.
You may be hoping you`re wrong...
…but, it would NOT exactly ruin my day if you are right!
heres to hoping your green team is 100% healthy,
when we get to play, hopefully pp is ok.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
It looked scary, but Kobe would play with 2 fingers on each hand and a mechanical leg if he had to
Shaquille O'Neal: "Tell him Shaq doesn’t respond to juvenile delinquents without a college degree. Tell him to get his degree, and we can talk. In the meantime, he should call me Dr. Shaq because I’m working on my PhD." (Referring to 17-year-old rookie Andrew Bynum, who compared himself to Shaq…except that he can make free throws.)
(courtesy of www.shaqquotes.com)
Doubt it
Kobe is notorious for playing through injuries and adjusting his game, but I really doubt he would risk his health for the playoffs. It looks bad but I doubt hes seriously injured, Kobe knows the status of his health better than anyone else and would take time off if something was wrong.
He's worried
You could tell from his demeanor. They’ll be diagnosing it right away, for sure. If it’s injured, you’re right… he would be foolish to play through it… and he won’t. Can’t fool around with knee ligaments.
Even Kobe wouldn't be dumb enough to play through a serious knee injury.
Since he already did tonight I have to assume it isn’t serious.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
I don’t know, man. when your adrenaline is pumping and you’re moving around, you can play through that pain. but once the game is over and the swelling starts… well, you get where I’m going with this.
if this is bad, it really throws a wrench in all those ESPN muppet commercials for Christmas day games.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 23, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, poor ESPN. What will they do.
I hope you are wrong, but I suppose it is a possibility. Glad I sold my tickets today since they probably wouldn’t have sold tomorrow.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Nah, he is fine.
He finished the game at full speed. Even Kobe can’t do that with a knee sprain/tear.
Thanks, for the shout out above though. You are right I didn’t expect it to happen so soon after our discussion. Maybe we jinxed him.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Remember Leon Powe?
Tore his ACL, needed surgery, out for months… but he played for several minutes after the injury. That’s how it goes with incomplete tears, or strains. They can play through it… but then comes the diagnosis, the doctors, and all the rest of it.
Based on the little we saw, I think he may be OK with rest. I hope so.
Anyway, we'll know soon
Probably by tomorrow, Christmas eve, since there’s a huge game the next day.
Good luck to all you Lakers fans.
Wow...that DID look bad..the knee buckling
But I really hope Kobe is ok…don’t want him (or any other Laker) banged up, especially prior to Jan 31 (I believe?).
Kobe is a warrior, and I want him at no less than full strength for all of the Celtics Games, at least.
Don’t want any excuses for any Laker loses.
Not In My House! Denied!
was he taken off in a wheelchair?
(someone had to say it and if it comes from me hopefully people will be less mad)
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Ha! Good One, Jeff!!!
Not In My House! Denied!
by Celtics18and19 on Dec 23, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
nope
he wasnt, he walked it off and took a deep sigh of relief
brilliant!
your probably the last person on earth i would have expected to say that joke…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
i was at the game, and the whole place went silent
it was kinda freaky, i mean the staples center was packed and everyone was holding their breath. I hope its nothing serious and if he needs time to rest screw lebron (not meant out of spite) and the christmas day game i dont care about that game anymore. A loss to the cavs without kobe isnt a big deal, I would much rather have a healthy Kobe.
Plus, we can beat them without him and that would mess with the cavs alot more.
Now time to get rid of the knot in my tummy…..
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
meh
just minor hyperextension
if he really did tear it, he would have been done for the game.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
yea, im pretty sure he wouldn't risk the season over looking tough
He’s much too smart for that.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 23, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Like Leon Powe
As mentioned earlier… Leon tore his ACL, needed surgery from which is is STILL recovering… but yet played several minutes after his injury. That’s how those incomplete tears are… the athlete can use the leg in the moment… later the swelling and pain stops them. But if Powe or Kobe had RE-injured that knee during those few extra minutes… well, that would have been the end of that knee… probably would have sustained a complete tear, requiring major reconstruction and a long, long recovery. Luckily that didn’t happen.
But we will soon know. From what I saw, there is no way he can play Christmas. No way. If he does play, after the MRI and all… it would mean that he has some kind of abnormal flexibility in his ligaments and he’s ok. Problem with saying that now is the intense pain he was in. That pain, combined with the movement of the knee evident in the video = ligament tear.
if it was serious i think we would have already heard something,
the more that time goes by and nothing comes out the better i feel. Of course its driving me crazy looking for any news on it.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
It'll probably be tomorrow
…before you hear anything. MRI probably happening right now.
Bottom line is Christmas. If he plays, he’s fine. If he doesn’t, whatever they say as an excuse… he’s not fine. (I will be very surprised if Kobe plays Christmas.)
KG went down in career game #1118 {last year in Utah}
That includes regular season & playoff games.
Assuming he misses no further games….game #1118 for Kobe will be on Feb. 18, 2010.
Boston @ LAL
Very interesting
A congruence of dates and times.
kobe is a warrior
he will not miss any time unless something is torn, and it didnt look like anything was. i have partially torn my mcl and you cannot play the game of basketball after that, especially the way kobe does. kobe is a warrior and wont miss anytime. crazy how these injuries come out of the woodworks as i hear paul pierce is about to miss 2-3 weeks.
kobe is a warrior?
no he isnt he is a laker
by matthewmafa on Dec 23, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
As youre worrying about kobes knee
Paul pierce is getting his Knee drained
who cares about the lakers
Absolutely
Paul for sure has a serious problem, from what’s reported. Wow… completely out of left field.
If I were Kobe, though...
I’d get that finger looked at. It’s the small things that could hurt you later. If he bangs it again it could become a nagging injury.
It’s one thing to be a Warrior, but i’d hate if a ball glances off that finger the wrong way.
Go ahead and take off a few games, Kobe and get that finger looked at. Don’t want you at less than 100% for Jan31.
Not In My House! Denied!
great now you got me worrying about that, lol
and now pp, can we not have a 100% healthy game?
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 23, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Smart thing
for Kobe is to take 2-3 weeks off, rest/heal that knee (assuming it’s not worse than 2-3 weeks’ worth), AND get that finger fixed at the same time. Now, December, is the time for all this. The guy’s all banged up. Time to heal.
i would love for kobe to take time off and heal,
but its kobe, he wants to win and win now. If he has any chance to play he will. Its frustrating because you dont want someone that important to your team to be out, but the man has a fire right now that i admire.
I guess im just gonna have to wait and see how it goes.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 23, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
So is DRJ1 a medical doctor or not?
Given all of teh medical info I see him throwing around here, I would guess he has to be a real doctor. If not, his speculation on Kobe and Pierce is kind of ridiculous.
by vinnie on Dec 23, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's all speculation
…based on available info. The truth will be known soon.
Vinnie, I choose to keep my personal information personal. Please respect that.
Question
I’ve got some extra time, so I thought I’d answer a point Vinnie posted in the Paul Pierce Sidelined with Knee Problem article’s comments section (6:40 pm EST). Vinnie said:
You also are probably dead wrong about Kobe too
Given that he did not even have any treatment on his knee today. The knee that you are already telling people is a torn or badly sprained MCL!
Let me ask you a question. Say you are Kobe, franchise player for the LA Lakers, one of the most valuable (and talented) sports figures in the world. Yesterday, you landed badly on your left leg and instantly fell down in extreme pain. Your knee buckled into an unnatural position which brings up the possibility of a ligament tear (sprain). That left knee was already wrapped, because you’ve had trouble with it before. You were able to finish the game, and now it’s the next day. What are you likely to be doing today?
Keep in mind that you know that IF your knee is sprained, there is no treatment you could possibly get that would help you get well enough to play in just 2 days (the next big game). Also, this decision is not yours alone… the team’s leaders and doctors are involved.
Your choices are:
a) Sleep in. You’re tired and you don’t wanna do nothin’ today.
b) Go Christmas shopping. Only 2 days left.
c) Go to your team’s training facility to get treatment for the knee… even though you know it won’t help you in time if your knee really is sprained, and even though you don’t know whether your knee is actually damaged or not.
d) Practice for the LA Marathon. You’re thinking of breaking the world’s record. That’ll show ‘em.
e) Go to your doctors for a full evaluation of your knee, including and especially an MRI.
Get this right and you win a lollipop.
You’ve asked why I posted all this speculation… obviously I can’t KNOW what’s going on. I did it because, unbelievably, NOBODY ELSE DID. The entire world has apparently accepted that Kobe just "tweaked" his knee… because that’s what he and the Lakers said at the time. Every media outlet is completely ignoring the evidence of their own eyes. SOMEBODY needs to say something, don’t you think? I mean, this isn’t an earth-shattering event or anything, obviously… but it is indicative of the state of information flow in our society. We have SO many ways to express ourselves… yet nobody stands up to say: "Wait a minute. I saw what I saw, and it’s not what you’re describing."
I know I could be wrong. But I saw what I saw.
Ok. ‘Nuf said. End of rant.
It's not the speculation that's the problem....
It’s the way you’re couching your statements. You’re making factual statement without any true proof behind it. I mean for God’s sake look at the title of this thread. “They’ll say he’s okay but he’s not.” And you know this how exactly? Seriously, I read the title of this thread and thought, “Holy shit, somebody must have Kobe’s cell # and talked to him after the game and found out that his knee is much worse than we thought.” Don’t you think a much more appropriate title might have been something like, “They say he’s fine, but I have my doubts.” See what I did there? Now that’s a springboard for speculation. And that’s a good thing. I mean, shit, we’re fans, what else are going to do with our free time? But instead saying things like “there is no way (bolded no less) he can play Christmas,” makes you sound rather silly. What happens if he does play? You better be the first one on here saying “Hark the Herald, angels sing!! A MIRACLE has happened!!!!!!!”
by RCollier27 on Dec 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you for an excellent post
A good read.
I understand your points, and some of your frustration. Just please note that right after the “no way” statement, immediately thereafter, I wrote “If he does play… he’s ok.” In many places you can find statements about how this is not fact but speculation based on available evidence. And that it’s certainly possible he’s ok, just that I doubt it.
If I were to say “Kobe might be worse than we think” or words to that effect, it would be very boring, and very obvious. Of course he MIGHT be worse… he MIGHT be an alien come to destroy our planet. I think if you believe something is true, or likely true, you should say it… not hide behind safe phrasing.
Meanwhile… you should be very happy that whatever happened to Kobe’s knee, he’s a lot better off than Pierce. Now THAT’S serious.
But hey… these are all just pixels passing by… by this time tomorrow, you’ll know. Kobe will either play, or not.
Seems like..
…Kobe decided to play, but very carefully. I think he, and the Lakers, would be better off if he just rested and healed. But maybe his tests all turned out good. Hopefully they aren’t doing this in spite of a known injury to his knee… hopefully everything turned out ok on the MRI and his exams. (Because otherwise, it’s stupid-beyond-hope to let him play at all.)
Yea, Kobe looks real beat up against the Cavs...
just admit you were wrong and delete this post….
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
"decided to play, but very carefully."
Yeah, after 3 quarters Kobe has 25 pts, 7 rebs and 7 assts. Yeah he’s really taking it easy. Just stop already. You clearly do not know what you’re talking about. He had no MRI, he had no exams.
Wrong about what?
Want me to say that what happened Tuesday didn’t look like a sprain? That it was normal? That would be a lie. Hard to understand how they could let Kobe play today… a couple of possibilities come to mind: (1) his ligaments are abnormally flexible and he really is ok, or (2) they shot his knee full of steroids and lidocaine and put him out there to play. That latter is so insanely stupid, I can’t believe it’s true. But then hey, we’re talking about the Lakers here. Anything is possible. (You’ve got one genius fan who insists he didn’t even have an MRI. Ok then… whatever.)
I still think Kobe would have been better off taking 2-3 weeks off to heal his knee and finger. That knee CANNOT be normal. At best, it’s still fragile.
But let’s agree on one thing. Phil Jackson is out of his mind for letting Kobe play 45 minutes tonight, three days after that dangerous-looking buckling of the knee. And for inserting him again with 4-5 minutes left in the game with the Lakers down about 20. Huh?
But as a Celtics fan… what can I say… the stupider and crazier the Lakers are, the better. I’d rather have the Celtics beat them down when they’re at full strength, but if they INSIST on repeatedly endangering their best players… so be it.
C'mon man
Hard to understand how they could let Kobe play today… a couple of possibilities come to mind: (1) his ligaments are abnormally flexible and he really is ok, or (2) they shot his knee full of steroids and lidocaine and put him out there to play.
You’re saying either he’s a freak of nature or on steroids as opposed to just admitting you OVERREACTED? Seriously??
I’m a Celts fan true and through, so I naturally despise the Lakers and Kobe, but you jumped the gun with this post and got proven wrong. Just do the honorable thing and say, “my bad” and move on.
I’m convinced you angered the basketball gods with this propaganda post; while you were talking about Kobe’s knee and how he should be out “2-3 weeks”, its Pierce that goes down with knee issues…
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I'm speechless...
We did have some intelligent Lakers fans here for a while… my guess is you’re in the foam-finger-throwing group.
Those Finals are going to be delicious……..
When are you going to give up posting your "expertise" on player injuries?
You were proven wrong related to Kobe. And then, to try to weasel out of it, you post crap speculating that Kobe was injected with steroids or his ligaments are abnormally flexible. You also will be proven 100 percent wrong about Pierce’s injury. I will continue to laugh as you pretend that you are in the know about these player’s injuries. Great comic relief.
LOL
Me and Vinnie are both Celtics fans and post in the forums regularly. Nice try though.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
In that case
You should know better.
In Pierce’s case, the length of time out was a relatively minor issue… nobody could know. The points I and others were making were explanatory… so people, including the article writer who asked for more information, could understand the nature of the problem… which, btw, was in fact, potentially extremely serious. Happily, it sounds like everything is going well and Paul will be back soon… Is that a problem? Vinnie’s point about being “wrong” is unaddressable, it’s so senseless. (I hope I’m always this “wrong” about our guys.)
About Kobe… it’s interesting, because our team’s reaction to Paul’s injury vs. the Lakers’ to Kobe’s is an excellent case in point illustrating the differences between the two ball clubs. In our case, we’re telling Paul “We don’t care how well you’re feeling, stay home until you are 100% ok… this is serious business, and we don’t want to take ANY chances with you.” Great stuff.
But the Lakers… omg, it’s so ridiculous. The guy is CLEARLY hurt, writhing on the floor in pain. Video shows the knee bent at a CLEARLY abnormal angle. At the very least, that knee must be fragile, subject to serious injury if he should land on it badly one more time. At worst, it already has some torn ligaments that he’s playing through. One guy, a Lakers fan I believe, thinks he didn’t have any examination or MRI. That CAN’T be true, but if it is, then the Lakers really are “stupid and crazy”… really. It’s unimaginable that it is.
But even if he had a full exam on Thursday, including an MRI, and everything tested normal… he should not have played on Friday. If he were a Celtic, he would not have played. That knee movement was too abnormal, the pain level too high, to be taking chances. We’d be telling him to take time off, get the finger fixed, get the knee some rest, come back when ready. What did the Lakers do? They played him 45 minutes on Friday (when you could see him avoiding unnecessary contact), including several minutes at the end when the game was essentially out of reach.
The difference? One team is confident, careful, caring, unafraid. The other seems desperate to prove itself, desperate not to lose, fearful and desperate to hold on to their franchise player in every game lest their glaring weakness – their dependency on one player player – be exposed. To the point of allowing him to risk much more serious injury.
The fact that Kobe played doesn’t change what happened. It changed the apparent severity of it… but that knee is in trouble. Nothing can change that.
Finally, again… you should know better. What we write here are opinions based on limited facts. They are not, not in my case anyway, predictions.
I think that’s enough of this issue.
If Kobe was hurt he wouldn't play. End of story.
As for me being a Lakers’ fan, it’s kind of strange then that I have Celtics season tickets.
by vinnie on Dec 26, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. He played 45 mins, I actually watched the game. He took his fair share of contact too,
barely grimmaced at all. Didn’t favor the knee once, no limping… nothing.
Some people just can’t admit when they put their foot in their mouth, but then again this is the same guy who posted that home court advantage in the playoffs is useless so any fanposts by him need to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I agree with DRJ1
You nailed it when you said if Kobe were a Celtics player, he would not have been allowed to play. Not being given time to properly heal, he will continue to acquire damage. Good posts, DRJ1. I appreciate your knowledge.
So since this supposed abominable destruction of his knee...
…Kobe has played 96 cringe-free minutes, scoring 73 points, grabbed 16 Rebounds, Dished 12 Assists, and Stolen 6 balls. All on back to back nights.
Hmm…
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Dec 27, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
horrible
i really am wondering how this fanpost didnt get deleted..
false information on a blogging site is misleading and should not be allowed…
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