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The Celtics are a much better team than the Clippers even without Pierce, and they played like they knew it tonight. The end result should have never been in any doubt, but they let the Clips back in the game with a couple of runs in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and faced a tie ballgame with just 8 seconds left. Rondo took the ball strong to the hole and got hacked by Davis with 1.5 seconds left on the clock. He missed both shots and Baron made us pay with a buzzer beater to win the game. That's the danger of letting teams like this hang around.
- Rondo was in full control of the offense from the start. He just couldn't hit those free throws.
- Every time they looked to the 2nd and 3rd option with the extra pass, the shot was there. The Clips just don't work hard enough to defend more than the initial effort.
- The Celtics went inside to Sheed with great success in the first half. It didn't work as well in the 2nd and they went away from it, which is a shame.
- Glen Davis provided a nice spark off the bench. Good to see him out there. These are just the kind of games to get him involved again.
- The 3rd quarter run that the Cippers went on was mostly the Celtics letting them back in it, as illustrated by Sheed's missed dunk and Rondo's airball 3 pointer.
- Tony started off the game looking off Rondo bringing the ball up and dribbling off his foot in traffic - which had me wondering if this would be the game that Bad Tony showed up again. But once again, he stepped up and contributed a very solid game. As they say, its not how you start but how you finish, and Tony picked up a key steal with about 2 minutes left.
- Baron and Kaman can play. And that Davis to Jordan alley is going to be there a lot this year.
Update: Doc's comments after the game:
"For a veteran team, we played with absolutely zero composure," said Rivers. "We just didn't seem like a veteran team tonight and I thought it was more our composure than anything. Give the Clippers credit, they played extremely well and actually deserved to win the game. But, as I told our guys, we're a better team than that with our composure down the stretch. It's not about the wins and losses, it never is with us. It's about composure for later [in the season] and executing down the stretch. We didn't execute at all, on either end; we were just bad.
"We had a whole potpourri of mistakes we made down the stretch -- mental mistakes. It's nothing that anyone did, just us mentally. We talk about how the only opponent we have every night is ourselves and, tonight, we beat ourselves."
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Without Rondo the Celtics lose by 10. I hate when people react to the very last play and forget the 47:59 of basketball before hand.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Agreed…anyone wanting to blame rondo for this game is a fraud…like u said, without him we get blown out
He missed two free throws at the end
Sorry, but that is a choke. Davis still might have hit the shot to tie the game, but bottom line is Rondo choked at the free throw line.
Rondo gagged
With his ineptness at the line…It was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
Davis` shot at the buzzer becomes much harder to make…knowing a miss results in a loss, rather than OT.
I consider any loss to a team like the Clippers a collective, team choke. This game should not have been close.
Oh and everyone is forgetting that Rondo did not at all have a good defensive game...
HE GAVE UP 24 POINTS AND 13 ASSIST TO DAVIS!
Davis was just feeling it tonight dude, not even Kome could have stopped that..it should have been on Doc to have made the adjustment on the defense.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
He gave up 23 points and 13 assist to the guy he was guarding... He played bad defense on him...
Especially on that last play… The stats don’t lie!
Doc leaving Rondo on the bench until under 4 minutes left in the 4th was certainly questionable
Clips’ announcers even mentioned it – Davis did well against House those extra minutes
by nba is the worst on Dec 28, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
damn
what a game.. havent seen a game so good in a while..
Lakers vs Cavs was a fun watch, that was just a few days ago.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
fun watch?
that was disgusting to watch kobe get fouled constantly and the refs not blwing the whislte..
and it wzas a blowout..
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that was fun to watch, I agree.
It’s always good to see LA lose. I just hope they win enough to meet us in June.
Not In My House! Denied!
by Celtics18and19 on Dec 28, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh.
Another blow to Rondo’s FT confidence, for sure. Should have been a W tonight.
Golden State isn’t going to be an easy one tomorrow night, either.
Hoping to just go .500 on this roadie now…
by bagofbeef on Dec 28, 2009 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know
I thought the Clippers would be easy too. : (
And the Sixers, with or without Allen “Me Cubed” Iverson.
Let’s not count our eggs before they hatch.
GS is a joke..
they have no big men.. i think the celts can take advantage of that….
actually nevermind i dont think they can… cause KG and sheed dont play inside anyways.. they are perimeter players.. so it might be tough
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Golden State just beat Phoenix
who beat the Celtics easily, in Boston. GS is not going to be an easy win at all.
Didn't the Clips and Warriors win their home games against the c's last year?
Clips would be in 7th in the pathetic east…
by nba is the worst on Dec 28, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Celtics Vs. Olando Christmas day was a good win...
AND THAT WAS A CELTICS WIN… NE CELTICS WIN IS A GOOD GAME MATHEWEMAFA.
calm down...
it was a fun game to watch this game.. the orlando game was boring..
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
matthewmafa you are a terrible Celtics fan... No matter how the game is played... As long as the Celtics win it is a fun game!
Thing is, I don't think that matthewmafa is a Celtics Fan..
I see matthewmafa posting a LOT on Silver Screen and Roll…Lakers Blog.
Not In My House! Denied!
by Celtics18and19 on Dec 28, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
big surprise...boston chokes to a sorry team again...this is getting pathetic
by celticinorlando on Dec 28, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions
First sold out crowd. Clippers are amped up. Sometimes you lose to teams like the Clippers. There’s always that argument with crap teams ‘if they played like this every night, they’d be better’, but that’s what makes a good team – being able to bring it every night. There are losses like this every season. Celtics could have easily put this away, but seemed like they didn’t feel like doing so. Defense collapsed a bit for stretches. Whatever, next game.
He did some excellent things tonight
I particularly enjoyed the lefty finish-drawn charge sequence late in the third.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Dec 28, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
all star
Not yet – until Rondo can hit the free throws in crunch time, he won’t merit all star recognition. Bill Russell was terrible free throw shooter but never missed when game on the line. Davis outplayed Rondo but Celtics should have contested in-bound pass – Davi would never have gotten the ball in time.
by dcrane on Dec 28, 2009 12:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Please make Scal go away
He is not the reason the Celtics lost tonight, but he does NOTHING for this team and has pretty much done NOTHING all year. He needs to go — now.
Scal is terrible
DOC please play our youth and keep Scal on the bench.
He gets burned everywhere.
He does not belong in the NBA.
Where was Ray earlier?
The greatest shooter too 9shots in 3Quarters. Its ridiculous. We don’t want Sheed taking 3’s, we don’t want TA shooting J’s. Give Ray Allen the ball
YUP
Your totally right—looking at the box score ray shot 50% from the field (6-12) not bad at all and 1-3 from three point line. The big kicker was that he never made it the free throw line which is rare—meanwhile sheed was 0-6 from three, but 4-10 from inside the arc, stay inside big man!!
late in the game, I was frustrated that we didn't get the ball into Ray's hands and
we definitely didn’t do enough to pop him open in those last few possessions.
This is where it really hurts not having Pierce. Late in a game, TA is NOT going to draw as many defenders to one part of the court like Pierce can.
All said, though – we should have put this game away earlier so it would not be that close at the end.
Gawd, the sick twisted conspiracy theory part of my imagination says that Doc purposely delayed sending the starters back in there until the game was so close so he could see how well they play in a close game without Pierce on the floor. Nah – that’s crazy talk…
they have to get a legit #2 PG..eddie just doesnt cut it....they need to deal scal...he doesnt cut it
by celticinorlando on Dec 28, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Couldn't get up
Pretty boring, typical game, till the end. I just couldn’t get up for this one. Seems our guys felt, and unfortunately played, the same way… A few things woke me up:
- Sheed completely embarrassing himself by missing that open dunk. Hey Sheed… try about 10,000 sit ups and a good diet. Need some more core strength there, buddy.
- Rondo airballing a 3
- Both TA and Davis were very good. TA had a couple of excellent steals at key moments.
- Rondo missing those last 2 FTs
Tonight we saw how, when and why the Cs miss Paul. Very clearly.
I had the unusual experience of watching this on the Clippers station. All game long, they could not stop praising the Celtics… “oh he’s great, look at that rotation, they’re gonna win the championship”… went on and on like that. I dunno… I like it better when they put us down. All this high praise is strangely disconcerting.
I like the Clippers. They earned this win.
All in all, a forgettable game. The one image that sticks in my mind is Sheed missing that dunk. Jeeezz.
"Tonight we saw how, when and why the Cs miss Paul"
Ha ha ha ha. You’ve been watching this season, right? The Celtics have let bad teams stay close to them with Pierce on the floor. Don’t gimme that.
On that last drive, which Rondo took and was fouled
That was Paul, if he’s there.
See
That’s fair, except we shouldn’t need a hero shot/drive to beat the Clippers. Come on, man.
Agree
One of those games they just couldn’t get up for.
Hard for me to blame them tho, ’cause I too was bored to tears till the end.
Right
Why should professional players making millions of dollars feel it is their responsbility to get up for a game?
Please
Professional anything else dont have off days? : office workers, guitar pickers, lathe operators, cops. make a dolloar or a dime. Sometimes it doesnt click. They arent machines. They eased off a notch after Orlando. Agreed they shoudlnt have, They fact that they did, is it a surprise?
In this season I've watched
Sheed miss an easy dunk.
KG miss an easy dunk.
Lebron miss an easy dunk.
Is the apocalypse coming?
They knew...
Baron Davis will get the last shot, yet they only did single coverage on him, in catch and shoot situations, their defense should have denied Baron the ball, kill some of the clock on the inbound play and let somebody else shoot the final shot…
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Why wasn't Ray defend Butler is the question I have
Why was Butler wide open on the 3 line to tie the game?
That shouldn’t have happened.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Yeah...
Ray definitely shoud have known not to commit to help on the drive and double team when it was a three point game and should have known to stay on his man and know that the Clippers needed a three.
Baron was driving, if he got that, C’s still lead by one, Ray completely left his man to help out on the play, he probly didn’t realize C’s were up by 3 so the C’s defense should have been to deny the 3 at all cost…either way though we still lose by a point coz Rondo missed both freebies, but the fact that your up by one changes the whole mentality of the game..RR might be able to have shot the FT without much pressure as the C’s are still up and Baron wouldn’t have been more relaxed shooting the last shot knowing the C’s would still be up rather than thinking if he misses, its ok coz it would be going to OT anyway..
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Eddie House must have screwed up on that Butler open 3-pointer
After Butler made the shot, House was getting chewed out as they walked off the court. Of course, House never should have been in the game, but Doc inserted him for the offesive posession. But, you miss and then you have to deal with Eddie House playing defense — which has has done very little of this year.
huh???
ray allen was gaurding rasul butler on the 3…
instead of staying on the 3 point shooter he decided hey lets go and defend a la up in tthe 3 point game and didnt gaurd the 3.. ray allens fault for allowing the 3.
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I would have to review the video
but maybe House was supposed to pick him up on a switch. That would have explained Doc chewing him out.
Rondo is a bad free throw shooter, but he still choked on those free throws
There really isn’t another way to say it. Yes, he played a solid game and kept the Celtics in it, but lets not forget it wasn’t like Rondo led a comeback charge. It was the other way around. The Celtics let the Clips back in it, and it was because of poor team defense down the stretch.
I don’t like the fact that Rondo had the ball at the end of the game. It should have gotten to KG or Ray somehow for the last shot.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
Rondo is shooting 53 percent from the line
That is not acceptable for a point guard who is going to get to the line a lot and I can guarantee that it will hurt this team two or three more times the rest of the season and probably in the playoffs. Teams are going to put him at the line in key situation until he shows he can make them.
rondo rarely gets to the line anyways...
i dont think its a big issue… he will not have the ball in his hands with the game on the line anyways… paul pierce will
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
You are clueless and not a Celtics fan
After a slow start, Rondo has been getting to the line much more often in most games. He needs to learn how to make free throws.
it wont matter..
cause rondo wont get the bal at end of the game.. paul pierce or kg jump shots are much better options..
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Which begs the question... Why did he have the ball?
When Pierce gets the ball at the top, players are more inclined to double team, leaving KG open (the pick and roll). Players won’t double Rondo, which leaves his options thin. I would have inbounded directly to Ray or KG and let them work something out. Rondo has improved his game so much this season, but he still isnt a guy I want with the ball in the closing seconds.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
by Jimmy Toscano on Dec 28, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
especially cause if he doesnt drive..
i doubt anyone has faith in him hitting a jumper to win the game..
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
rondo choked..
it is what happened… yes without him the celts would have lost by 20 or so… but he had a chance to win the game with a pair of free throws… and he missed.. thats what is called choking.. everyone chokes.. arenas choked lebron chokes all the time.. missing 2 free throws in the clutch is choking..
Horrid end of game execution on both ends
The C’s deserved to lose this game no question. Even coming out of timeouts they executed HORRIBLY. They couldn’t score with 2 chances to ice the game. Of course Rondo choked and that is why he can’t be counted on late in games. In the playoffs having a PG that can’t make a free throw can be crucial.
But the worst of all was the defense down the stretch. How could the C’s have possibly let Rasul Butler have a wide open 3 to tie the game? Leaving the Clippers best shooter wide open is inexcusable. Davis was driving to the hoop for a layup SO WHAT. The C’s still would have been up 1 point with the ball! There is no excuse to allow the Clippers even a chance to tie the game there. The worst defensive execution that you will ever see.
1 meaningless game
…and within 10 minutes, the trading begins.
where u the one who came up with the fake kobe injury??
hah
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not just one
He’s up to three injuries now. One of these days you’ll read “Kobe disintegrates after hard foul”. (And what has that got to do with anything? You two need a life, I think.)
hes got the finger..
the elbow and the knee…
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes Kobe was horrible last night
Against the Kings. Those injuries are really slowing him down.
4th quarter and 1st OT
he went 1 for 5 with like 4 points…
and then magicaliy in the 2nd OT his elbow finger and knee became ok and he made 2 three to brake open the game
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
isnt he injured?>
knee elbow and finger..
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Its actually Kome who is fakin his injury…Id never believe he is playin with a broken finger, its just the media really makin a fuss out of it saying how good Kome is despite the injured finger when in fact its just not broken.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
kome??
never heard of that nickname… what is it suppose to mean??
and yes i believe that sometimes the media and kobe himself exxagerates injuries to make himself look tougher
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Kobe is called Kome around these parts
if you are a hardcore C’s fan then you’d know what I mean by Kome
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
He thinks ME first
ME want to be MVP, Me want to jack up 20 shots a night, no exeptions, Me get the last shot ALL the time, Me want media attention, Me better than Shaq so LA had to ship Shaq in favor of Kome, Me Better than Jordan,
Kobe is the ultimate ME player and will never be a team player.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
hey guys, clipper fans here.... i wished you guys good luck before the game and chatted with some of your users....
We played well enough to lose…..Just remember you guys WILL make the playoffs….while we on the other hand….are hoping our rookie draft pick helps us pick our heads up from our a**. Good game guys and i know you guys will want revenge in beantown……Your author Steve Weinmann showed class and wished us best so i too will give my praises….no trade talk or any of that sort…..rondo missed 2 ft’s and baron hit a lucky shot…..you guys have goldenstate tomorrow….you should b able to handle them swiftly and find users re-cooperated after that win…… Good Game Guys….
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions
by cheekmeister on Dec 28, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Your announcers talked so highly about the Cs....
I was almost embarrassed. Good game. Clips earned the win.
Bad teams
often play very well against good competition…its just the the way it is…bad teams can have good nights and that is when good teams should be careful not to get too cocky
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
rondo is still part of the big 4......
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions
big 5...
isnt perkins going to make the all star team this year?
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
really? perkins that good? i thought he was a scrub overweight player but plays ok defense and rebounds......maybe im wrong...
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
well whose the back up center..
after mister dwight howard..
Rondo would be so pissed tonight I can not fathom what he might do tomorrow…triple double anyone?
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
quadruple..
steals… hes gonna steal the warriors tomorrow
by matthewmafa on Dec 28, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
It's one loss...
Not a big deal… plus we were without Pierce.
Not to mention that the Clippers have a lousy record because they’re inconsistent, not because they have lousy players. They’ve had some decent games; they’ve beat Denver and Oklahoma City. And their games against the Lakers and the Suns (who just beat them by 2 pts) weren’t exactly blowouts. They beat Memphis twice. This team has talent, but they’re just poorly coached, and have an idiot for an owner. When they get Blake Griffin healthy, they may even make the playoff in the west.
Bottom line is that losing to the Clippers isn’t that big a deal. We knew it was going to be tough without Pierce.
This loss says more about Orlando, who can’t beat us when we’re shorthanded, than it does about us… we know why we lost… this wouldn’t have been close if Pierce were playing.
We just need to weather the storm until Pierce gets back.
cclips in the playoffs.??
maybe next year.. no way this year,..
Way!
You’re thinking of last year’s Clippers… who by the way had Zach Randolf (20 ppg). This team is playing like they’re holding on for their phenom to get healthy. If you saw Griffin in preseason you’d be more open to the possibility.
Once again, it has never been a question of Clipper talent. It’s about their management and the team ethic. This year they’re playing hard to give themselves a chance to make the playoff with Griffin.
Not to mention, there are rumors that if the Clipper play well this year, it might be Lebron’s home next year.
There is no shame in this loss, considering we were without Pierce.
klebron to slipers..
you got to be joking
He's not staying in Cleveland
So every major market is a possibility.
Plus, that rumor was not floated by me… it’s out there.
i seriously doubt it...
lebron doesnt want to be second fiddle to kome in la cause you know the clippers will never be above the lakers.
Don't Doubt It...
There are more Kobe haters in Los Angeles than beautiful girls.
They would welcome Lebron James in a second.
Knicks > Clippers > Cavs
The rumor is big city.
ahha
no way lebron goes to the clippers.. no way anyone goes to the clippers.. clippers are second fiddle to lakers in every single way.. lebron has a better chance of going to eorope or the D league then going to the lowly clippers and donald sterling and mike dunleavly
anybody read this? : “Tensions are getting heated as Kevin Garnett and Kendrick Perkins were arguing with each other about how Perkins should defend Chris Kaman with 1:41 left in the fourth quarter and the Celtics leading, 90-87.”
boston.com. link: http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/12/kg_perk_exchang.html
by cheekmeister on Dec 28, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever...
Probably more like a lively conversation… not an argument, because Perkins is going to defer to KG’s judgment.
This mole-hill does not a mountain make.
yeah, the media just makes it seem worse than it really is.
by cheekmeister on Dec 28, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
anything new...
they always do stuff like that… thats why they are the media… if they didnt do that.. then they dont have a job,
Nah…there’s always tension when KG is around
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Makes sense to me
Nowhere in the playbook was “stopping” Kaman down the stretch.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Dec 28, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
kaman usually chokes down the stretch..
he playeed unusually good today
What sux is we are 1 loss behind the Fakers again. and the media would probly drop us to 3rd in their stupid Power Rankings.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
do you honestly care
what those stupid power rankings say
power rankings suck.....take it from a clipper fan.....i stopped keeping track of those long ago....you guys just need to worry about the hawks and the cavs...i guess....not so much the magic and worry about the STUPID LAKERS!!!
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
so the celts biggest competition are
the hawks and cavs?
and not the magic?
i think the magic can b a bit inconsistent and they have too much talent....kinda like us....except they have a coach who cares... :-)
magic…..its hard to explain them….there good…..really good….but i think they wont get passed the eastern conf. finals….or maybe even the semis…..thats only my opinion….but i still think there good…just not championnship caliber good
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
umm
they got to the championship last year..
yea i know but they didnt win.... i dont think they have that killer instinct player.....
Lakers = Kobe, Celtics = Pierce/Allen, Cavs = Lebron, Hawks Bibby/Johnson…….
Rashard lewis…..ummmm no…..howard….no….um….nelson…..no….. they have a great team overall with great players but nobody that can say i want the last shot….and if it did come to it, probably lewis would take it…..they made a big mistake in not trying to bring back turkeyglue….he was the money man in my opinion…….
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
you put bibbby for the hawks...
but you dont put vince carter for the magic.. you got to be kidding.. and jammerr nelson whether you like it or not has some killer instinct in him..
lol no theres more.....the clippers even have their own blog...... lol...shocking isnt it....
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
No, that's why
I call em stupid…but the media hypes it up so much for the Fakers.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
media is the media..
they love the lakers..
It's simple
Kaman outplayed our big men and Davis outplayed Rondo.
Perk and KG
I read about Perk and KG also. I think it’s good. Perk got dominated tonight by Kaman no question. Then he committed 2 stupid fouls near the end of the game and almost added a technical. He is a vastly improved player but needs to be careful and not turn into another Rasheed.
If anyone gets a link about a postgame interview with Doc asking him about leaving Rondo on the bench so long in the 4th OR about the defense allowing the Clippers a wide open 3 pointer to tie the game let me know.
THAT is what should be reported - how in the hell the C’s let the Clippers get a wide open 3 to tie the game. The worst possible defense in that situation. Could have fouled, could have crowded the 3 point line, could have let Davis go for the layup since the C’s would have still been ahead - COULD have done anything other than let Butler get a wide open shot but they failed
rasul butlers wide open 3 was ray allens fault..
he went down to defend davis’ lay up but then was caught in no mans land when davis threw it out to butler
Rondo
Yeah people need to back off saying how great Rondo played and keeping the C’s in the game. He was destroyed by Davis all game. Davis shot over 80% on Rondo tonight which more than counteract Rondo’s offensive output. Rondo got the game winner drilled in his face to top off his two absolute chokes from the line. So let’s keep Rondo’s greatness in perspective.
Yeah Matthew it appeared to be on Ray there which is just strange. Doc doesn’t believe in fouling when up 3 though obviously because they never attempted to do that. It’s just hard to believe Ray would be that boneheaded there but apparently so.
Positives out of all this?
Hey did anybody think of the positive implications that this last minute ft “choke” can have on rondo and the team? Think about it, this will haunt rondo for the rest of his life so he practices day n night to improve his fts and shot :)
And Doc cannot stop overplaying Ray
Another near-40 minute game for RA. Doc SAYS he’s going to stop, but never does. Before Paul went down, he was starting to do it to him too. Doc needs to control himself. These mid-season games are not worth the potential injuries that overplaying our vets can cause. Stop saying it and DO it, Doc.
NO
YOU stop, just STOP. Doc deliberately rested Rondo when Rondo probably shoulda played the entire 4th quarter. Our roster, in case you haven’t noticed, is without a true SF with both Pierce and Daniels injured. If we had killed the Clippers early in the game like we SHOULD’VE, then Rondo coulda played less minutes, Ray Allen coulda of sat early, Shelden probably woulda gotten some garbage time, and everyone’s happy.
Just give it a rest.
Wrong
Doc himself said after Orlando that the one bad thing about the game was that he overplayed Ray (and Rondo, but he added that Rondo could take it). Doc needs to control himself… he knows it, he says it… now he needs to do it. Stop and think what overplaying really accomplishes… and the risks it creates….
Hmmm
And I bet Doc didn’t anticipate that this game would be close in the 4th quarter. I bet he thought that after a day of rest, the C’s would take care of business and show the Clippers what’s what. When there are close games like these in the final minutes, the starters’ minutes ALWAYS increase. Look at the Lakers game against the Kings. What else needs to be said?
The only way to truly not overplay anyone is to comfortably kill the teams that can be killed. That means the Clippers, the Warriors, and the Sixers of the NBA, so that we CAN go all out against the Magics, Cavs, Hawks, and Lakers of the NBA. That’s how it works. Always has been, always will.
Stop trying to convince yourself that will change just because our nucleus’ is a wee older than everyone else’s.
Sorry, you just don't get it
But you will, if Ray has an injury because he’s being overplayed. That’s why Doc says he wants to get his minutes under control. Because one game is meaningless compared to the players’ health.
Think about it… you’ll figure it out… take a year or two if you need to.
Lol, I just said...
We don’t even have a true SF on the active roster right now. Walker isn’t the answer and you know it.
And curious, but I suppose Pierce got an infection because of being “overplayed”, right? : \
No one’s saying Ray will be ok if he plays 40 minutes every day, but like I said, Doc can only do so much when games aren’t being put away quicker. I also said that Rondo didn’t play the entire 4th quarter when he probably should’ve.
What I get…is that Doc’s hands are severely tied with the current injuries and the fact that games that should come easy aren’t. I like how you try to translate that into I’ll understand “if Ray has an injury”. I mean, if anyone of the Big 3 can play extended minutes as it is, it’s Ray Allen.
I’m just shocked, overall, that you manage to come up with this when at the end of the day, it’s the least of the C’s problems. And by “at the end of the day”, I mean specifically because Ray didn’t get injured, there’s no point in talking about the fact that he could’ve gotten more rest over the fact we lost a game we coulda not only closed out in the 3rd, but in the process gotten Ray that rest in the first place.
Shocked
Don’t be shocked.
The future is more important than the past. Doc isn’t stopping like he said he would, and like he obviously needs to… and that’s a big concern. In fact, keeping our guys healthy is easily the biggest concern of all. By far.
As for this question: “And curious, but I suppose Pierce got an infection because of being "overplayed", right?” — I will post a more complete answer to that a little later this week. There is much more there than meets the eye.
“Sorry, you just don’t get it. But you will, if Ray has an injury because he’s being overplayed.”
it’s as if you want Ray or whoever to get injured just to prove your point. don’t be too negative! are you just this obsessed with injuries?
anyway, it’s a lose-lose situation for Doc. he gets blamed for playing the starters too much (but we win games) and vice versa.
by cheekmeister on Dec 28, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
How soon we forget
…last season. You need to remember and understand that there is only one thing that can ruin this season for the Cs… and that’s injuries. I wish Doc Rivers understood this better… or rather, that he understood the direct connections between (excessive) PTs and the probability of injury. He SEEMS to understand, when he talks about how he’s gotta get Ray’s minutes down… but then his actions are the opposite.
The Celtics in general need to understand the importance of injury avoidance better than they apparently do. Yes, it’s all clear and obvious when you talk about it… but then everybody forgets.
(Now bite your tongue and slap yourself 20 times for writing that about Ray getting injured!)
i was quoting what you already said. do you even read our replies? you keep going in circles
by cheekmeister on Dec 28, 2009 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
How soon you forget
that KGs injury was not related to age or minutes played.
it could happen to anyone young or old and it could have happened in the first game of the season.
The point was...
… how devastating injuries can be… something that is very obvious, but many forget in the moment, when winning one almost meaningless game becomes so important for some reason.
The connection between PT and the risk of injuries is virtually direct. I’ll elaborate on that later, but that’s a key point. Which Doc knows, everybody knows.
And regarding bone spurs
You should know that bone spurs are caused by excessive focal bone growth in response to prolonged stress, friction, pressure… i.e., overuse. Almost every injury an NBA player suffers is related to the minutes he plays, including KG’s of last season.
With all the concern about minutes
How come Kobe consistently plays more minutes than any Celtics’ starter, yet he and the Lakers won the championship last year. IMHO, this whole minutes thing is way blown out of proportion.
And on that point, you are wrong
Maximally, disastrously wrong.
Wrong on what?
That Kobe plays more minutes this season?
Kobe: 38.4
Garnett: 30.7
Allen: 35.9
Pierce: 35.4
Rondo: 34.9
That this is is blown out of proportion? The thing is, just a few weeks ago someone was complaining about the fact that the starters were kept on the bench too long against the Wizards when they were clearly coming back against the Celtics. And people like him and you will complain for the rest of the season. In a way, I agree with vinnie. How can Doc be doing virtually both things at the same time?!
Wrong about...
…the “whole minutes thing is way blown out of proportion” statement. In fact, this whole season depends on that one issue.
What Kobe and the Lakers are doing is a huge mistake, from their point of view. (Not that we care, of course.) It’s very likely that Kobe will go down at some point this season, based on what they’re doing with him now.
The fact that “somebody” here complained about too few minutes for the starters is, of course, meaningless. There’s every opinion imaginable here. Doesn’t make it right.
Also note: the average of minutes played is important, but less so than the outlying maximums. The maximums represent the biggest risks.
I’m glad we’ve had this little discussion, because it shows me that certain points need to be made more clearly in the more-complete post I’ll be writing in a little while. For now, suffice to say that…
(a) injuries are the biggest risk that exists for any team in any season, but more so for the Cs in this season because they are (imo) the best team in the NBA when healthy and focused. So the ONLY thing that can stop them is health… which makes it the most important issue to address. If you can do anything to minimize health risks, you should do it.
(b) But what can you do? There are many factors you can’t control. The one thing you can control is PT… which just happens to be directly proportional to the risk of injury.
Therefore, Doc needs to stop fooling around and strictly optimize PTs. How to do that, why the Cs can do it better than any other team, and what the target should be… I’ll deal with later.
A Little Perspective
A few from the World Champion 83-84 Celtics:
Fri, Dec 16, 1983 Washington Bullets L 93 100
Bullets – 35(w)-47(L)
Thu, Dec 29, 1983 @ Houston Rockets L 94 107
Rockets – 29(w)-53(l)
Wed, Feb 22, 1984 @ San Diego Clippers L 107 114
Clippers – 30(w) – 52(l)
Wed, Mar 14, 1984 Washington Bullets L 99 103
Tue, Mar 20, 1984 @ Indiana Pacers L OT 121 123
Pacers – 26(w) – 56(l)
etc…
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Dec 28, 2009 1:43 AM EST reply actions
every good team looses games to inferior teams..
or else more teams would finish with 70 wins or more..
The problem is
Everyone foresaw the Celtics winning 70 games this year…
And I thought that was very silly
Sheed didn’t tho :)
To be fair
I did predict the C’s to win 70 at the beginning of the season. <_<;
Yep, it's a grind
… and it gets hard sometimes to get up for each and every game. Other teams are fighting for their playoff lives. We’re fighting…. for a good record (and home court). Way it goes. That’s why nobody wins ’em all… they say MJ was nuts and on a mission the year they went 72-10. Too hard… not enough reason/motivation.
Good point
Here’s a fact: you win some and you lose some. Otherwise they would all be robots, huh?
Rondo is incredible and keeps steadily improving. For his youth, to be this far up, he’s truly amazing. I just love the guy. Missing the free throws was expected as he hasn’t mastered that yet. Not only that, all our best players miss free throws, especially under pressure like that. I was so glad to see BBD back in the game and the rust flaking off by the seconds. He played really well.
Yet, the Lakers have yet to lose to a losing team...
Three losses to bad teams for the Celts – could make the difference in HCA
by nba is the worst on Dec 28, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Remember the playoffs!
Let’s face it , so what if rondo “choked”, we should be happy it’s not the playoff and there’s plenty of time to improve. I wouldnt be surprise if rondo shoots 75% from charity come playoff time when it counts. 2 years ago people made fun of me for backing up rondo because i kept saying he’ll be an all-star in 5 years because he’s always improving. We’re an improving team because we learn from our mistakes and i think this is a good lesson for rondo come playoff time!
Wow...The truth is
Any team can beat any team on any given night thats just how it is in the NBA. I can’t believe you fans are really making this big of a deal out of nothing! Give the Clippers some credit they came out and played with energy after a humiliating loss to the Suns. I don’t want to claim yall are band wagon fands but really? Rondo is a phenomenal player and your going to make this big a deal out of it?
If its worth anything the Clippers beat Boston last year too…maybe this squad just had their number in L.A.?
clippers get zero credit tonight..
celtics as a whlole just choked this game away… they will beat the clippers 99 out of 100 times if we were to redo this game
They get zero credit...
For taking the game when the C’s give it to them? Please.
aww
someone take babies bottle away? you sound like a spoiled child. no time is going to win every game, and sometimes the other team plays well. a crazy idea apparently.
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Dec 28, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
that
was meant for above…wrong reply.
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Dec 28, 2009 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
i gave the clippers credit...
i just think the celts really gave this game away.. they should have won.
really they got lucky that the C fell asleep
first ray on the butler 3 and then baron hits a unbelieveably lucky shot
Couldn't agree more
It is ridiculous. So many people jumping to absurd conclusions. Wish my fellow Celtics fans had as much NBA knowledge and perspective as you’ve exhibited here.
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Dec 28, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
Im calling it now!!!
Rondo would learn from this experience so much that he would be play like a man possessed, lead this team all the way to banner 18 and all you naysayers would never remember the day Rondo choked on 2 FT to win a worthless regular season game.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
so what did everyone think of TA performance tonight..
wow he was great in D the last couple of possessions… 2 straight steals..
Too Many “Choke” Comments To Respond To So, in one place.
A question: Is Paul Pierce a "choker" now and forever? Is that what you would label him?
Probably not, right?
Remember the 2002 Eastern Conference Finals, game 4 against the Nets? Yes? Who missed two free-throws at the end? The Captain.
Now, PP missed those but he is surely not a "choker" and villified the way too many are currently painting Rondo.
Lesson, one game does not a player make. It is absurd to overreact and start bashing Rondo and labeling him such. A little persepective.
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Dec 28, 2009 2:17 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
finally someone with sense and logic!!
im trying to make this point to -celdick but he doesnt understand these things!
celdick...
who is he? is he a celtic fan or some kind of troll?
who is celdick?
o thats an easy one, ego-maniac kome riding band wagoning fan who shows zero respect……even before this game, i got along with celtic fans and wishing u guys well….i could never do that with a lakers fan…….stupid drunk fans if u ask me……
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 28, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
billy walker..
once again he gets 0 minutes of PT…
is he in doc rivers doghouse or something?? why isnt doc playing the guy..
WE CAN ALWAYS CREAM FOR THE 18TH BANNER..
But with the way the C’s are playing & beaten by the lowly Sixers & now the Clippers, well it will always remain a.. DREAM!
"choked"
lots of discussion on this point so I’ll toss in my $0.02
yeah, he choked
no, that doesn’t mean he’s not an All Star
yes, we wouldn’t have been up with a few minutes left without his all around good play before that
it happens, one game, big deal
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Thank you, Jeff
Rondo choking does not mean he is not a solid player and that he will be a choker forever. He choked on one night. My guess is it will happen a few more times in his career if not more.
isnt the saying "you cant win em all"
well you cant its just not possible and im ok with this loss because we know what happened and we can improve on this everyone on here needs to calm down. Were making it seem like we just got knocked out of contention for the playoffs, were still the best in the East
Glaring Stat
Cs went 0-12 from downtown. That right there tells much of the tale—hit one more its a win, 2 3 more, its a walk. Sheed (0-6) was the main offender, but Eddie and Ray arent hitting them either. Eddie has been on the schneid for a while. Does it have to do with him being on the ball? If so, its a problem that wont go away.
These types of losses could come back and haunt us...
come spring time when we are going to hope want home court advantage in the playoffs and miss it by a few games.
C’s have got to beatthe teams they are suppose to beat.
The losses to inferior teams this season is very frustrating to watch.
Even with no Pierce and Daniels the C’s should of won this game.
Doc said it best when he said the team had no composure for a veteran team.
The C’s can do better, must do better and I think will get better as the season progresses.
Talking about chocking: I distinctly remember the first year we had Ray Allen aboard we played a game where with the game tied and no time left, Ray Allen had two foul shots to win the game; only one was needed. He missed them both; we lost the game in overtime. No time left and he also chocked. What does that tell you; Ray Allen, one of the greatest foul shooters in the game. Someone else must remember that game. I havent forgotten it yet. I dont remember who we were playing but it doesnt matter. He also chocked.
I AM RONDO....But
I can’t hit a good tee shot in golf most of the time. Add a little pressure and I am downright terrible. It is all in the head and I am smart enough so what’s the cure. Practice. Lots of it. Until the mental block is buried by muscle memory.
BUT….golf comes after my career and after my family and rather than getting paid $11 million to do it, I actually pay to play. I have an excuse that I don’t believe Rondo has. Sorry, he is no Shaq, whose hands reduce the basketball to near tennis ball scale. Try shooting a tennis ball into the hoop.
Just no excuse to brick two free throws from the point guard position at the end of a game. sure, he’s a good player, but he is no All Star. Not yet. He is proud so I do think this will get him to the gym a little more.
Right. There is no excuse for a PG to be a 53% foul shooter. No excuse whatsoever. Normally a PG should be about the best foul shooter in the team. A good foul shooter will is apt to choke less than a bad foul shooter. Every basketball player will choke once in a while; good shooters just choke less than bad foul shoters; Rondo is a really bad foul shooter for being a PG: Unacceptable. How many crucial games will that inaptutude cost us? Time will tell, but cost us it will. C’es la vie.
Celdick's a troll
Obviously a fakers fan.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 28, 2009 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow!
Good prediction Jeff. I guess if we won them all, it would get pretty boring to watch…
Game clock
Funny how a couple tenths of a second will make or break a game. Should of been 1.3 or 1.2 on the clock when Rondo got fouled (even D Marsh and M Gorman both said the 1.5 sec was liberal). Maybe 1 or two tenths of a second left on the clock after Davis released the ball?
Either way I’m not saying that’s what caused the loss – just pointing it out since no one mentioned it (Rondo also did a little shove before that foul too heh). Celts just let them back into the game is all.
On a side note love the non-travel calls for the first half of the game haha (from both sides – Ray had a good one tho). Then the refs start clamping down on everything in the 2nd half.
First post btw. Been reading this blog for a while now.
I think I'm correct.......
Since the Big 3 have been here…..every one of them have missed ft’s that have cost the C’s a game…..let’s hope this is a growing experience…..the kid has been to the top of the mountain….this will only make him better. Let’s hope he takes it better then some here.
now tonight they get to face the fastest guard in the league. Monta is gonna be a nightmare to guard.
by Eschew Obfuscation on Dec 28, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions
let's get this straight
Rondo is a 55% free throw shooter! That is inexcusable for a point guard! However, he makes up for it in a whole lot of ways. I’m hoping that he really now understands what it will take to get him to that next level. Maybe he will take 500 fts a day?
Baron Davis wanted this game very badly. Pierce and Davis grew up together in Inglewood. So make no mistake about it he pumped his team up. Didn’t help that we played a little flat but still I’m not too surprised by the outcome.
I was at the game last night.
1. It was like 35% Celtics fans. Crazy Celtics fans, too. Good stuff. The “Let’s go Celtics” chant would get loud enough that the entire arena would start booing. it was very fun.
2. What a great game. Baron Davis played all out.
3. Rondo was the best Celtic on the floor. Ray and KG could hardly hit anything, at all. This is probably why Doc set up a play for Rondo.
4. It was just one middle of the season game. The Celtics are still amazing, even though they lost to the Clippers. Chill out blog world.
longest second in NBA history
Finkelskyhook is right. Davis did not get the shot off on time. On slow motion, you can clearly see that he gets the ball in mid air and comes down with it before even a tenth of a second went off the clock. You can watch each tenth of a second go off the clock as he steps out, turns, jumps in the air and even hangs a bit before letting go of it with .1 left on the clock. The timekeeper was late. There’s no way you can do what he did with the ball in 1.0 second, but apparently the refs don’t check that. They only check whether he beat the red light.
























