C's Hold On To The Win (Not The Ball)
It is a good thing this team is awesome, because they couldn't rebound to save their lives tonight and still pulled out a win. The Spurs outrebounded the Celts 55 to 32. And get this, they pulled down 20 offensive rebounds while the C's only managed 2. Yet the Celtics still pulled out the win. Crazy.
- No idea how this Blair kid slipped so far. Sure he's undersized, but he knows how to get the ball up and in and he can sure rebound. We could use someone like that right now.
- Another day, another double double for Rondo. He came up with some key plays late in the game too.
- KG looked spry today. Not sure if this is one of those "good days/bad days" things or if he's getting better and better, but I'll take it.
- It helped that the Spurs missed over half their free throws and only 2 three pointers.
- Odd game but a solid win against a very, very high quality opponent.
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Funny thing is when Blair was on the board, I was really lobbying for him while a lot of posters was saying that we didn’t need another Leon Powe. Guess tonights game shows different huh?
We didn't have a shot to pick him.
I’m sure if he fell to us we would have picked him.
Great road win, thanks for the help, Tim...
Seems like the roll is officially onso far. Hope we keep it up against the rolling Thunder…
I beg to disagree.
not a great road win against Tim and Spurs. What happened to Ginobli in the 4th Q? He didnt even play. so we beat Spurs but not the “Great Spurs”
not????
dont’ think so buddy, 8-1 on the road best in NBA
Uhhh No.
Even slimmer Glen can’t rebound well, and Blair is better at finishing around the rim. But I think this was just one of those games where Blair played above his normal average. While I think he has value, he likely won’t play nearly that well for an average.
by TomHamilton30 on Dec 3, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Um, no
Blair is the top per-48 rebounder in the league. Nice try.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Po, I wasn`t quite as optimistic...
Thus, I hereby aPOlogize!
Satisfying win
Given all the things that did not go well tonight. Agree with Hanz — this team really needs a backup point guard.
can't believe they won
despite being outrebounded so badly. seemed everyone in green forgot how to block out.
Jeff hit all the positives except one—-forcing 19 turnovers. key to the win.
Perk and PP both had low quality games tonight. KG looked very energetic. Sheed was mostly in the post where he belongs and was effective.
What’s up with Doc not playing Williams and using Scal instead. Scal wasn’t doing enough to contain Bonner. Should have used Shelden to at least give Sheed some help on the boards.
6 in a Row....
I’ll take the win….against one of the top 4 teams in the League…fully healthy…on their homecourt…with our best player going like 2 for 9.
This is what separates the Champions from the also-rans.
And isn’t this now three wins in S.A. in three years now?
Yeah the rebounds were a concern, but this will be fixed.
And Sheed was Huge off the bench, IMO.
Not In My House! Denied!
sheed was good until the 4th quarter
he launched like 3 3pointers instead of taking his guy to the paint. the lead went from 10~11 to 6.
what has sheldon williams done? besmirched doc’s mother? if he were in , the rebound differential would have improved a bit. the second team did not distinguish itself tonite. sheed when down low was fine and the first two 3’s were ok, but he got drunk on them. rondo and kg were great and the spurs were disjointed, except when blair erupted. but we won, and we were great in the 1st half. by the way, we need a backuo pg. try hudson or get one.
Agree 100%
What in God’s name was Scalabrine doing in this game. Did Scalabrine have even one rebound? Horrible coaching by Rivers.
And while we’re at it, did he expect House to cover Tony Parker? What was he thinking? Rivers’ substitution patters were an open invitation for the Spurs to win the game.
And yes, THE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
Horrible coaching?
Yeah right, the C’s won yet another game in spite of Doc. We must be witnessing the best team of all time, constantly overcoming their awful coach on their way to their 3rd straight 60+ win season.
They Won the Game on Talent
Double digit win if Rivers plays Shelden Williams and puts Rondo in 2 minutes earier in the 4th quarter.
I’ll say it again: THEY NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD.
You certainly would have done a better job
At least in your own mind. Point differential as a tie breaker? Good grief…
Scrapped, Should have Crusied
Brick nails it. Scal can plays some D and drops a J now and then but is does not pull his weight on the glass. Sheldon does. And twice—twice!—Rondo and co had built a double digit lead only to blow it when House took the point (what happened to m_Daniels, point forward?) So yes, the C’s won but they had to scarp where thy could have cruised
Strong Starts = Celtic Victories!
Celts are tough to beat…when they start games strong & aggressive.
They win when they come out breathing fire!
They lose when they passively allow the game to “come to them”.
Seize the game…C`s The Day!!!!
I just wanna know
How this game shows we need a backup PG. Hearing that being yelled every other time, it’s just sounding like a fad to me. Our problem tonight was rebounding.
We need to stop letting teams get second chance points on us like that. Bonner and Blair had a combined 20 rebounds off the bench; I’m not sure Sheldon alone keeps them in check. I also don’t know if Bonner doesn’t score more with Sheldon guarding him. KG nor Rasheed looked like they could handle Blair and that bothered me. Overall, I think Doc was fine as far as matchups. Our bench can’t force Doc’s hand like that all the time. Maybe Doc could’ve brought in the starters a wee bit earlier, but I don’t want trends like what happened last year.
Anyways, offensively, I think we were great. We started off the game strong, and more or less rode that throughout the game on both ends. In the end, despite all the rebounds we gave up, we did keep the Spurs to only 83 points in the end, and considering the Spurs average a 100 points per game, it’s clear the Celtics found a way to get the job done defensively.
6 in a row definitely feels good. Considering that, let’s take it to OKC and show the Thunder what’s what.
Parker & Hill had a field day when House was in the game.
That’s just from a defensive perspective.
When Rondo leaves the game, so does our offensive flow. It’s painfully obvious we need someone to effectively run the 2nd unit, the ball movement stops and everything becomes stagnant.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Coach Liu?
Waiting in the wings, soon as the bench extras are offloaded. K-Dooling has been mentioned.
What if we stopped getting outrebounded
but ended up losing 6 straight? Then you would be happy?
As someone once said....
A win is a win is a win is a win. That’s all that matters. This isn’t fantasy, and I don’t care about stats. The right team won the game, good night.
Need Rebounds, too
Sure, the club needed a Powe-Sheldon out there to bang with Blair, but the fact is House was having trouble on both ends of the floor last night.
great game
Despite the close score, the Celts dominated the majority of this game and let the Spurs sneak in with poor rebounding. Of course, Duncan/Blair going on runs at different times helped the cause too. Loved what I saw from KG. Rondo continues to impress me, hit a big show in the 4th.
You said it!
We beat a quality team on the road who happen have been on a 5 game winning streak. Oh the travisty. Excellent win by the C’s. Its wins like this that get me excited, knowing that we played poorly in areas and still pulled of a win against a big team.
by Scal4theallstargame on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
The way of CelticsBlog apparently
Give the experts a lottery team, they would surely know how to make them a competitor.
yeah right.. danny should blow it up, rebuild around youth. we’re so old and bad, lets trade ray for a 1st rounder and pulled pork sandwich… :-P
actually, that sounds delicious
maybe we could get a second rounder and cash, and then use the cash to build a pork sandwich stand at the garden. now THAT’s an investment in the future.
by HalfBeard_HalfAmazing on Dec 4, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Good Win
Nice win last night. The win was especially good because Perk and Paul didn’t exactly play well. Perk looked incredibly frustrated.
Regarding people complaining. I see no problem with it. And just because some are complaining, doesn’t me they are saying that the team should be blown up. Moves that Doc makes in a game should be under scrutiny. And Doc can still be a good coach, but make bad decisions in games. There’s more to coaching than just game time decisions.
I would hope that winning and being out-rebounded by 20 are not viewed as acceptable. The winning was good, but long term, we can’t keep winning if we can’t board.
precisely
the complaints being covered here are about specific performances by players or Doc in the game. Nothing about blowing up the team — except by those who apparently feel no criticism of the team is allowed.
All issues are worth mentioning. Ultimately the win mattered the most last night but there were a number of problems last night that need to be addressed going forward so that the W’s continue to pile up. We need to control the boards better and get a better offensive flow with the second unit. On the plus side, KG showed some fire, Sheed played in the post and did well and the team forced 19 turnovers which is great.
For those that only concern themselves with the W or the L at the end of the night, take comfort that San Antonio laid bricks at the free throw line—-something completely in SA’s control—because if they hit at a respectable %, the C’s would have had an L last night.
I thought Perk played a really good in stretches, beating the spurs big men down the court, solid post defense, even beating 4 spurs for a rebound and loose ball at one point…but yeah he had his moments of complete frustration when, uh he was getting pounded on the glass and pushed around by about 3 spurs trying to get rebounds over him
Blair & Lawson
How did DuJuan Blair and Ty Lawson go far down in the draft that they got picked up by 2 title contending teams?(Denver & San Antonio).
When you watched college basketball last year, these were 2 players the commentators couldn’t stop talking about, they were practically drooling over Lawson, yet they go so late in the draft, when picks like Rubio were a total waste. I have no idea how these two players got picked so late, could have sworn both were a Top 10 pick by the way people were talking about them last year.
Lawson was picked up...
in a trade with the Timberwolves for a future pick. Ty was the 18th pick in the draft.
I'm happy for the win but...
I think the Spurs might have played their worst game of the year. I’d never expect to see a Spurs team that sloppy…
I agree…id like to think it was the celtics pressure that forced 19 turnovers (really weird for a spurs team) but all those missed ft’s? yeah i dont think that was us
Should have blow out the Spurs by 25 points
I’m happy for the ewin but there’s room for improvement, especially on the offensive end. Many unforced errors, nobody to put a body on Blair (where was Shelden?)
Im sorry to bring this up after a solid win, but…
All this talk about Kevin getting his game back, and no realization that the 2 most important aspects of his game, defense, and rebounding have the longest way to go and are nowhere near where they need to be.
Its clear his rebounding was based off his leaping ability, unlike a duncan where positiong is key…duncans still averaging 11+ a night in the same minutes and grabbed 15 last night..
KG is maxing out at 7 a game, and getting outrebounded nearl everynight.. this is a guy who peaked at nearly double that a game.
so, really, who cares if he can hit an 18 foot jumpshot, the worst shot in basketball…the guy needs to rebound the damn ball
i agree with takeit re kg, and add; notice that there are many no blocked shot games for kg. he moved laterally very well last night and that has come a long way. i will also take the 18 ft. jumpers.
The 18 ft jumpers have always been icing on the cake for KG.
His bread and butter is rebounding and defense…I mean this is a guy who averaged 11+ boards for 8 years straight.
7 a night isnt going to get the job done
I see your concern, but...
…with Perk averaging more rebounds this year and Sheed and Shelden averaging 4 or 5 boards off the bench I just don’t see how KG would need to average 11 boards on the Celtics.
Plus Pierce is averaging nearly 5 boards as a SF.
KG has the luxury of continuing to get his legs back right now. The rebounds should eventually come back to 8-9 a game, IMO, and defense will come back as well.
Even when KG is officially “Back” I just don’t see him putting up 11+ boards a game like he did in Minny. Even when he signed with the C’s, his rebs were high, but they trailed off as year went on, due to the team spreading the wealth. That did not stop us from winning title 17, though.
Not In My House! Denied!
by Celtics18and19 on Dec 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
wish we still had leon
he was our best post player and our toughest guy down low. I guess the C’s determined that he wouldn’t be healthy this year or if he were it would be so late in the season as to not help us much but we miss what he brought. I didn’t see the game but how come shelden williams didn’t play? Wouldn’t he have helped on the boards and against blair?
We have a a better version of Powe this year...
in Shelden Williams.
He is a taller player and has more length since he has a large wing span.
He is a better rebounder and shot blocker than Powe I think.
He also has a mini jump shot that Leon did not have and is a better free throw shooter.
The only thing Shelden is not as good at that Powe was is attacking the basket in the low post offensively.
Powe was very tenacious taking the ball to the hoop.
But overall I think Williams is a bigger , healthier more talented version of Powe which is a net plus for the C’s this year.
I have a pretty good idea why Shelden didn't play...
After reading some comments here on the Blog and in the Forums it now makes perfect sense to me why Shelden didn’t play.
The way that Blair was playing, Shelden probably would not have made much difference…Blair was hot against Sheed, did ok against KG and Perk as well.
Having Scal in the game against Bonner makes perfect sense to me now…someone to chase Bonner around so he couldn’t kill us from 3-land. This is the main reason IMO of why Shelden didn’t play.
I don’t believe Shelden is forgotten. Doc will use Shelden (and Glen Davis once he returns) to exploit whatever matchup problems we can give opponents. And last night we really needed Scal to keep Bonner out of rythym.
I can live with Blair having a field day, but not both him and Bonner.
Every now and then the Celtics play against a team that has a player just get hot…take Oleksiyy Pecherov in the Minnesota game…the man had a career high of 24 pts against us I believe..now he doesn’t even start.
And in the New Orleans game Peja Stoyakovic couldn’t miss against us.
Not In My House! Denied!
by Celtics18and19 on Dec 4, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have no disagreement with any complaints
but I bet San Antonio is wondering how they could out rebound us by 3 to1 in the second half and…still lose. That is insane.
I’m attributing it to some solid defensive work in the paint by the Celtics, and some missed open shots by the Spurs. It was an odd game. Though killed on the boards, the Cs kept the conversions just low enough to never loose control of the game.
Nice win for the C's
It was a good solid win.
But here are some of my observations for what its worth.
The C’s must continue to take it to the hoop offensively as they are at their best when they do so.
The Celtics defense looked great and like the defense of old.
It looked like they were motivated to play defense which they were not in the games they were losing a couple of weeks ago.
The Celtics must improve their rebounding, they almost let the game slip away also when they were rebounding poorly in the 4th quarter.
Lets get the win tonight in Oklahoma and get this team some well deserved rest.

























