Garnett and Rondo Questionable for Tonight's Game
by Greg Payne on Dec 30, 2009 2:11 PM EST
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PrintNote: If this is the first you've seen this, see Update #3 for the latest information.
A. Sherrod Blakely from CSNNE.com just broke the following:
Celtics coach Doc Rivers just announced that Rajon Rondo (left hamstring) and Kevin Garnett (right leg) are both questionable for tonight's game.
Of the two, Rivers said Garnett was more likely to not play tonight - and possibly the next couple of games.
If either or both are out it certainly puts a damper on the Celtics' chances in tonight's game. As is the case with the team, if either or both are out, Doc Rivers and the coaching staff will simply look for the next guy down on the depth chart to step in and try to sure up any gaps.
Glen Davis being out certainly doesn't help the cause, but maybe we finally see Bill Walker tonight. If KG is out, look for Rasheed Wallace to get the start and Brian Scalabrine and Shelden Williams to get a boost in minutes.
Update: Probably in a related story, the Celtics also just announced that they're recalling Lester from the Redclaws. There was no comment on his availability for the game tonight in the press release. Looking at the Redclaws schedule, it would appear that Lester needs to hop on a flight from Portland for the game tonight.
Update #2: Further updates from Blakely:
Garnett's injury is clearly the more serious of the two.
"If I do decide to sit him (Garnett), I'm not sitting him for one game. I can tell you that," Rivers said. "I told Kevin that."
Rivers doesn't have a definitive timetable for when Garnett would return if he sits him tonight, although he said it would likely be around Jan. 6 when the C's play at Miami, or possibly longer.
Garnett has not been moving as well as Rivers would like, which is why Rivers' decision is more of a preventive, big-picture step to avoid a repeat of last season when Garnett missed the final 25 games of the season as well as the playoffs.
Update # 3: Steve Bulpett has further details:
Garnett missed one game last week with a right thigh bruise, and he got kicked in the same leg in Monday’s loss to Golden State. Though these latest issues are in the same area, trainer Ed Lacerte said, through the team, that this current situation is not related to the problems that caused Garnett to get surgery on the right knee this past offseason.
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Not good, but
We can probably win without Garnett, but not without Rondo.
by drod400 on Dec 30, 2009 2:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I've said . . .
that our bench this year projected to be a strong as some other team’s starters. Apparently this notion will be put to the test. Good luck and do us proud guys!!!
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 30, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions
'some' other team's starters - yes
but Phoenix’ starters? They are a very good team.
This is a bit tougher test than I would have liked.
But hey – we just got beat by the Clippers and GS – our subs need to use the same mentality here and go for it!
Yeah, Phoenix is a bit daunting (so which “point guard” plays Steve Nash, hmm?), but you are dead on — if the Clippers and Warriors can overachieve, why can’t our guys? I’ll live with a loss, but ONLY if our guys play hard. And smart.
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 30, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone has been clamouring
for a chance to see the youngsters…now you will get your wish. I hope the bench shows that it is more than a good bench…I hope it shows that there are some starting quality players on it who can hang with the big guys. Show us your stuff, guys! ( But not in a stats first, showboat kind of way….) Don’t forget the defense! Win or lose, leave us smiling…
great...cant wait to see giddens and walker get schooled so everyone including
the brass can realize they have nothing in them
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions
so ... our third tier subs failing against ... the Suns (a reallly good team) .... on the road
would be a referendum on them?
And if they do well
I won’t wait for you to show some class and say you were wrong
wow
lets hope that KG is going to be alright
sounds like we’re in for a rougher stretch than even I had anticipated
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
I am just as confused...
as you are Master Po.
I tried a google news search and still can not find a straight answer.
Hopefully some one in Celtic nation can fill us in on what the real reason for Garnett sitting is.
he wasnt moving well according to Doc...and they dont think it is the thigh
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
not related to knee surgery
Hopefully the quote we added, update 3 s helpful. Now the question for some is are you willing to believe that report.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
by Green17 on Dec 30, 2009 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah....saw that...not sure i am buying it but oh well....
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Combination of Stuff
1st – He’s still recovering from the surgery -that’s why he’s wearing the wrap.
2nd – He got kicked in the thigh and missed a game, that can take a few days to really heal. I know, I’ve been kneed and kicked in the thigh many times.
3rd – The spill he took against Orlando. He landed hard on several parts of his anantomy.
4th – There could be other stuff that hasn’t been reported, maybe he tweeked a calf, hamstring or groin or his ab that was hurt 2 years ago.
He didn’t look good against the Clips – he was slow and had no lift.
Let’s pray it’s not major!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniels — out, Pierce — out, Davis — out, Garnett — out, and Rondo — out. It looks like we’re dressing 10 people tonight, three of whom are borderline NBA players at this point. Great.
yup
time to play Walker, Giddens, and Hudson and punt till next week
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
is there even a certain that they will be ready next week? tonight is going to get rough...many think
this is related to KG’s knee….what are we looking at? a 5-6-7 game losing streak? i mean counting on giddens and walker is just not going to get it done.
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm almost certain it is not the knee
or at least not the same type of knee injury that he had his surgery for.
That sort of injury usually heals up pretty much completely once addressed by surgery.
However, because it was a structural repair and the leg was immobilized for a period, the rest of his leg, specifically his mucles and tendons, can take many months or even a year to recover full strength and flexibility. During that time, he is vulnerable to soft tissue injuries (cramps, strains, tears, etc.).
So it could be related to the knee injury in that sense.
This also may be due to a deep bruise from getting knee’d a few games ago.
I am confused.....
Can someone shed some light and explain why Garnett is sitting out again.
I saw on a google news search that he got hit again on the sore thigh that was hit a couple of games ago and that is the reason he is now not going to play.
If this is indeed the reason I find getting hit in the same location a bit odd??
Are the C’s being honest with us??
If anybody can shed some light please do !!!
they said he wasn't moving well...it was clear from what ainge said that this isn't the thigh
it is the knee
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions
Ok Ainge ......
said Garnett was not moving well ok fine.
But did he say what the exact reason was for Garnetts poor mobility?
didnt say but it was prety clear he was eluding to the knee....check out the thread in the forum
about KG
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I did check out the thread....
and its still fuzzy whats going on.
If it is Garnetts knee that is injured is it due to being hit in the knee recently like this link espn boston article describes
here is the link : (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=4782632)
or is it a flareup of last years old original knee injury?
According to that Herald report
The kick is unrelated to KG’s knee surgery, meaning KG’s current problems are not related to the procedure he underwent this summer. As Green17 said, whether you believe that report or not is up to you. Personally, I’m not convinced, but that’s just my personal opinion.
I hope this is the case...
that it is a new acute knee injury and not a chronic one since that would mean his old knee problem has not healed propely.
But just like you I have mu doubts, especially since the C’s were not honest with us last year when Garnett hurt his knee.
actually it makes sense to me
As I’ve said repeatedly, even though the knee is probably close to completely healed from the surgery, the rest of his leg (and even his other leg and back) are going to be at risk to other strains until all his leg muscles are completely restored to full strength and conditioning.
So that could be what is going on here. But I"m actually guessing this is just more pain/problems from the deep bruise he got in the leg last week.
In either case – rest and caution are definitely called for, but I wouldn’t panic.
I hope ..
your right mmmmm.
Your comments make sense, its just this doubt that always arises now when KG has leg problems around the knee like he does now.
Time will tell though and the rest will no doubt help KG overall anyway.
unfortunately, now I'm worried
based on Ainge’s latest mention of a hyperextension. I hadn’t heard word of that before.
Hopefully its a minor one.
What worrys me is the ever changing story of the injury...
1st the C’s told us KG had a deep thigh bruise several games ago,
2nd ESPN at least reports KG was re hit on the same spot on his leg (taht he initially injured several games ago) in the golden state game.
3rd) Ainge just said on WEEI that KG hyper extended his knee several games ago and the knee is giving him problems so he needs to rest it and miss a few games.
Seems like alot of different reasons KG is injured and I do not know what to believe.
Well One Thing's Obvious
He definitely wasn’t moving well the past couple of games and their defense was terrible, so the two likely go hand in hand. It’s very easy to jump to the ‘sky is falling’ conclusion based on the way Danny & Co handled his injuries last spring so if there’s hysteria among the fan base Celtic management is responsible for that.
Guys!
Would you rather have them take precaution now or have them run outta gas in April??? If you’re players are hurting why run them into the ground? Just so you can have great regular season record? Take the losses (if they even lose) and use it as an opportunity to develop our bench talent. I don’t think the C’s regular season victories as much as Rings. In fact, I know it.
obviously april...but there are a lot of REALLY important games in january
that will shape the seeds…atlanta 3×...orlando…the lakers…dallas…they cant play the entire month short handed and then be so far behind because they have lost a ton of games
by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem resting KG...
to let his bumps and bruises heal and to just give him some rest to freshen him up.
I also have no problem seeing the bench play , since I want to see Walker play which I hope he finally does now with all the injuries we are dealing with.
But what I would like though is the C’s to give us a straight, clear story on what KG’s injury is that makes him need this rest.
Quoth the Rivers
""It’s early in the season," Rivers told Comcast. “We got tonight and we got two days, and then we got three days after that. To me, if you’re going to rest guys, this is the perfect time to do it.”:
Makes sense to me. We knew coming into this season a certain amount of wear and tear is expected on our older players, and in any NBA season you expect a few injures here and there. If these injuries keep players out in Dec/Jan I’m fine with that.
Hey, could be worse. We could be Portland fans.
Big brother no longer needs to watch, because the world is convinced he is.
Or Knicks fans
(Yes, I get the injury parallelism re: Portland, but still, as long as we’re being grateful….)
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Dec 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
+2 hah
Big brother no longer needs to watch, because the world is convinced he is.
What I heard about KG...
from an old Boston source, who is now at Yahoo!, is that it is multiple issues. He’s just banged up (leg, head, back), but it doesn’t seem to relate to the knee surgery.
frankly, i'm excited.
it’s one thing to maybe sacrifice wins to play untested youngsters when everyone’s healthy. It’s another when that’s the only option. I can’t see a downside, other than lose a game we’re pretty much going to lose with so many out anyway.
prior history
in prior years, this would be the only time Doc would play young players—-when injuries have forced him into it.
IF Rondo is out, we have only 10 players that can dress and 3 of them are Giddens, Walker and Hudson. Unless Doc is determined to run Ray and TA into the ground (not exactly a stretch for Doc) and use House all game at PG (not as likely), we should see some youth tonight.
Figure a front court rotation of Sheed and Perk to start with Williams and Scal backing them up. Going with some positive waves here and projecting Rondo will play, it’s Rondo, Ray and TA to start. Doc only has House as the lone experienced non-big off the bench. Doc’s got to play one of the 3 “newbies” or just run Ray/TA ragged. Against the Suns, they’ll be dying by the 4th quarter if he doesn’t sub frequently.
I'm not....
Everyone likes ‘the young guys’ till they get out on the court and we all get to see exactly why they’re not in the rotation.
On injured players
What matters very much, is how your back-up’s back-up plays, because that’s where losing your starters REALLY hurts you.
GIVE KG A BREAK!
If I fell like he did the other night, I’d be out of work for 2-weeks –
.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
2 weeks?
2 months you mean? that was a nasty fall
Very funny
You can gimme your season tickets while you’re at it. I’ll buy them. : )
Don't you dare
yep. And 2010.
Big brother no longer needs to watch, because the world is convinced he is.
Yawn,,,,,,
Old team needs rest….. need to spin it.
this is not a yawning matter..
this is serious stuff.
There is no guarantee
that even if we play a banged up KG and Rondo (both of whom did participate in practice, according to FL) that we would win this game. Better to let them get right, and see how the bench and the rookies handle the stress of facing a good team.
Sit Them Both
Concede the game. The Celtics were probably going to lose anyway.
EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES!!!!
Enough of this.. I’m not surprise.. With or without them, unless Doc makes sense in giving some minutes to more deserving bench players (Williams, Walker etc) the Celtics is bound to lose again tonight.. One point, the team needs length yet the Doc insist on Tony Allen & Scal? I dunno the logic here.. Tony & Scal better than Walker & Williams? Aw c’mmon!! This is really making me mad & very disappointed.
Prediction Time!
I’m gonna say we win this game. With or without Rondo.
Hey, I’ve been on a hot streak lately, might as well ride it.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Doc is still going to play House and Scal way too many minutes. What’s being said here is reasonable but Doc is very unreasonable when it comes to playing the young guy’s. No question this is a championship team but not the right coach for this team.
Doc will play House and Scal the game will get out of hand then Doc will put Walker and Hudson in them everyone will say see they can’t play.
Deep Thigh Bruises
If KG really had a deep thigh bruise then him getting the leg reinjured makes sense. I had one of these one time and while I was certainly not that much of an athlete I was actively in sports around 15 or maybe even 20 hours a week. It took me almost a month before I could get back to normal. The doctor said that some athletes are hospitalized from a deep thigh bruise. It’s not a normal bruise but hurts very deep in the leg and can be debiliatating.
HAHAHAHA.. I SAID IT RIGHT..
PHNX 116 – BOSTON 98.. It’s a no brainer, being beaten black & blue was expected.. Why? If Boston keeps on losing against the weakest team in the NBA like the Clips & the Warriors, how would you expect them winning against very good teams like the Suns? Who’s to blame? Point your finger to Doc Rivers. He relies so much with his 8-9 man rotation (especially the “big 3”) which was fairly doing good until Tony Allen, Glen Davis & Scal were inserted disrupting that rotation. There were less of Williams now. It was much even worst for Hudson, Walker & Giddens. It’s common sense that if you don’t give some playing minutes (that’s why I like Phil Jackson) to your bench players, you can’t expect them to perform well right away. This is the sad plight of the Celtics. Now that Pierce & Garnett are out to injuries, Doc can’t find an option. Yes, I think Doc is crazy!
age
sorry guys—age is the factor—-easy to get hurt—lot of heart though—-celtics goty a long season—see you next year
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