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How To Lose To The Suns

Textbook game tonight.  Too bad that textbook is titled "How To Lose To The Suns in 5 Easy Steps"

  1. Start by missing your top 2 players, playing your 3rd best player at half speed, and removing 2 other key subs.  That's not making an excuse, just a fact that it doesn't help.
  2. Let them dictate the pace.  You know, let them run, take quick shots, make rushed decisions when that's not your typical game.
  3. Let them get out to an early lead, because it makes it much harder to catch up to them.  Especially when they are confident and relaxed and playing with swagger.
  4. Allow points in the paint and wide open looks from 3.  Feel free to cover that area between the paint and the 3 point line, but make sure their shooters are as comfortable as possible.  By all means, miss rotations and leave your teammates out to dry (looking at you Sheed).
  5. Take and miss rushed, desperation three pointers which lead to long rebounds and fast breaks going the other way.

I'm sure there are plenty of other bonus ways we found to lose tonight but I'm too disgusted to root them out tonight.  I knew this was going to be a long night when they got up big on our starting unit.  It isn't like we had much in reserve after that.

And I have to say it again (and echo the sentiments many have been making all week).  Where were the kids (before garbage time) tonight?  I'm not saying that Bill Walker, JR Giddens, or Lester Hudson would have made the difference tonight.  But I can't say they wouldn't have either.  What I know for sure is that Rondo played hurt, Ray played lots of minutes, and we saw a lot of Brian Scalabrine, which doesn't make a lot of sense against the Suns.  If we are going to lose by 20 points or so, why not give the kids some non-garbage time minutes.  I just don't understand it.

Ugly game.  Worst of the year.  Blame it on the injuries if you want, but this was poorly played from the start and the Suns took full advantage.  So much for being a strong road team this year.  The law of averages evened that out quickly.  Oh well.  It is still December and there's time to get healthy and get back on track, but tonight was one of those games you are happy to put behind you.

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Yipyip

Pretty awful.

- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Dec 30, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

We're tough love fans.

We know when our team is playing like poo.

- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Dec 30, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Refer my post:
No Hudson, again!

I think your right about playing Rondo, bad idea. I think after this dreadful road trip, the spotlight needs to be put squarely on the Doc! At the end of the day it is him who is responsible for whats occurring. Yeah injuries aren’t helping! But at the beginning of the season we were touted as having the best bench and so much depth. That theory has been completely obliterated!!!

We want answers DOC!

by specwarop on Dec 30, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

I am Doc's biggest fan...

but I wish he had played Hudson more and Rondo less…a lot less…tonight.

by thirstyboots18 on Dec 30, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Giddens and Hudson gave + minutes - but not enough PT

Giddens +3, Hudson +5 – they need PT and the team doesn’t seem to get it…

by nba is the worst on Dec 31, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Careful

Yes, those guys played well, but against the Sun’s deep bench as well, after the game was long since decided.

Take the +/- numbers with a grain of salt.

That said, I wish we’d seen a lot more of Hudson and a lot less of Rondo last night – it made no sense to me when Rondo came back out after going to the bench with soreness at one point. Doc should not have let Rondo talk him into that.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Bench missing BBD and Danials

Would have been a much better game with these two off the bench.
House played really well and really stepped up. What is happening with Perk
and Rasheed? Tony Allen just had a bad night. Rondo was still with the hurt ankle.
I am just so bummed.

by mmbaby on Dec 30, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

The ‘deep bench’ is deeply hurt at the moment.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I wanted to see more JR Giddens

Gidden’s last minute dunk was boiled over frustration !
I think this kid has talent !!

Doc slapped Hudson’s butt on the way off the court.. see that ?

All three should have played more ! Walker, Giddens, Hudson.

Eddie hot on 3’s the only positive tonight.

by Snowball on Dec 30, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

Giddens is not an NBA player.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Dec 30, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

You can’t get to the next level without experience – and last night was the perfect opportunity. 8 minutes won’t get it done…

by nba is the worst on Dec 31, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What's experience

How about Giddens do it right in practice?

by Tai on Dec 31, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Not easy to win...

…when 4 of your top 9 guys are out of the lineup. Garnett, Pierce, Davis, Daniels, and Rondo playing hurt. With all that said, the effort was not there on the glass or the defensive end. You gotta throw caution to the wind and get those hungry young guys in there when the regulars aren’t bringing it. What’s there to lose?

- JoeB

by joeb on Dec 30, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think other than a token effort to just verify that they could indeed control the post offennsively

 in the first few minutes of the game (which they did), the Celtics didn’t really have an interest in winning this game. Especially after it became apparent that without KG in the high paint they were not going to be able to shut down Stoudemire. Rondo played well enough to score on Nash, but he couldn’t move fast enough and there weren’t enough arms in the passing lanes to deny the passes to Stoudemire.

Doc is clearly blowing a little smoke when he claims that he thought they could win this game. They mailed it in and for the most part the game just turned into a practice scrimmage.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

they were resigned to lose from the beginning

everyone assumed we were going to lose, so no one played like we could win (see Box Score – Rasheed Wallace). except maybe House, who thrives in a run and gun style. wish the young guys could have gotten more minutes, but I think both Giddens and Walker suck so it wouldn’t have made any difference. just want to forget these past few days.

by KY Celts fan on Dec 30, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think if Rondo is at 100%, he tries to take over this game more.

With that said, I do think Ray Allen phoned it in tonite. 4 of 13 from the field? We all know he could to better than that, but I honestly feel like he wasn’t even trying.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Dec 30, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, Rondo would have done better

but he wouldn’t have scored another 20 points.

by KY Celts fan on Dec 30, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant more from an intangibles perspective

Healthy, Rondo could push the ball more and provide a bit of a spark.

There was just zero energy tonite. Ultimately, I think we still would’ve lost but it could’ve been far more competitive.

Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!

by RJ87 on Dec 30, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

whose to say

Rondo wouldn’t have scored another twenty points? He ended up scoring 13 as it is, with, obviously, one leg and limited minutes. I think with a healthy Rondo, this game is up for grabs. He would have hounded the Suns on defense and dominated Nash offensively.

by misterx2day on Dec 31, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The real problem was defense

There was no effort to control the passing lanes or to control the paint.

Thus Stoudemire had an easy time moving in behind the defense and Nash had open lanes to get him the ball.

The first part is something KG excels at denying and the second is partly because Rondo clearly was just too slow to put his normal man coverage on him to force Nash to dribble defensively and disrupt passes.

The prior two losses were easy to attribute to lack of a closer (Paul) in the last minutes of the game. This one was so clearly due to KG’s absence and Rondo being slowed. Rondo was able to play decent offense (because Nash really isn’t a great defensive PG) but his injury definitely hurt his defense.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

So yah - if Rondo was 100%

that would have made a big difference – but not because he might have scored another 20 points. He just would have been better at slowing down THEIR scoring.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Doomed game

No energy, Rondo was closer to 50 percent than 100 percent, Ray and Rasheed looked old…. they didn’t stand much of a chance out there, and the defensive rotations were pretty terrible, as you pointed out.

by misterx2day on Dec 30, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Let's face it.

Two of our SFs (including the starter) were out, two of our PFs (including the starter) were out, and our starting PG was playing on one leg. And the Suns like to shoot 3’s all day, sleep on D all night. Fun. : (

You’re not going to win many games that way. We had a chance in the 3rd, but the Suns shot us out of it. Oh well.

….And I’m sorry, but give up on Giddens, folks. Walker and Hudson may still have a chance…but no more Giddens. Please.

by Tai on Dec 30, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

brutal way to end the year. here’s to hoping 2010 would bring better luck to this team. I can’t stomach any more injuries…;(

by cheekmeister on Dec 30, 2009 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

ok...things we learned...the bench consists of 4 guys that dont belong in the NBA

in giddens, scal, walker and sheldon…when healthy there really is just eddie, sheed, baby and daniels that actually can contribute….the bench is not good enough to win a title…esp with the frail health of the starting 5….PP’s knee….rondo’s ankles and hamstring….KG’s knee…perk’s shoulder…ray’s whatever….

by celticinorlando on Dec 30, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'd say we really only have 3 guys on the bench that contribute

I’m going to count House and Sheed as just one total person, since only Sheed helps on defense and neither do much on offense anymore. Sheed’s 3-pt percentage is atrocious, and House can only score when it doesn’t matter (anyone else notice this?).

by KY Celts fan on Dec 30, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha yeah. It’s either a blowout or when we’re losing.

by cheekmeister on Dec 30, 2009 11:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sheed is still very effective under the post on offense

And that was actually demonstrated clearly in the first few minutes of the game.

But then they just mailed it in when they realized that defensively they were not going to stop the Suns without KG and his long arms in the paint and a half-speed Rondo.

So then Sheed went back to standing around outside the arc. Grrrr.

Oh well, in the end, it was just a practice scrimmage.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

The bench..

is INJURED. Yes, Giddens = ROFL. Walker and Hudson I’ll give passes for now. Scal’s fine. Sheldon is just fine for insurance when BBD’s out, even though BBD is much better. But BBD and Daniels can’t stay off the injury list. But our bench has yet to be fully healthy, and when it is, then let’s judge this team.

by Tai on Dec 30, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

Doc needs to live up to his name, just a little

If, as Doc said, he is more worried about Rondo’s injury than KG’s, WHY did KG sit and Rondo play? If, as was said, Rondo has a real hamstring strain… HOW does Doc think he will heal? By magic? Because he hopes he will, somehow, with no rest and constant retweaking? Weird, Doc. (Can’t say it was because he wanted to win this game… first because they weren’t going to win it anyway, and second, that’s a very bad reason if the price is your (only) PG’s health.)

It is good to lose some games. Several reasons – like refocusing the guys, identifying your flaws, stabilizing your image in the league so that maybe not every crappy team gets maximally fired up to beat you, etc. And yes, this game was hopeless… but I had hoped that the D would still be there. I had thought that every member of the team was bought-into the D that the team says its built on. What happened? My guess is they just took the night off. Gave up on this one before it started. I hope that’s all it is… that’s the best it could be. Don’t wanna think about the the worst.

by DRJ1 on Dec 30, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

happened at the exact same time, too

but that losing streak happened for one reason, and that was Rondo’s mental state. All the Marbury talk got him flustered, and the team suffered. but of course after that little slump, the team went on a 12 game winning streak. maybe history will repeat itself that way also.

by KY Celts fan on Dec 30, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

right after Christmas was when the buyout talk started and rumors about Marbury coming to Boston. and all of a sudden, Rondo started playing like crap. and we all know that as Rondo goes, the team goes. there was definitely a correlation.

by KY Celts fan on Dec 31, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

*shrugs*

We had a chance….

for five minutes….

in the 3rd. :’(

Still, 2 games in the next 7 days, and the next game’s on Saturday. We’ll be rested, and hopefully…we’ll be ready to win again.

by Tai on Dec 31, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I like scali and all

Scali needs to develop a 15 ft jump shot or something. He is killing us. I cant remember when he last scored a point and Sheldon Williams scored 14 points and he isnt even a scorer and i think his points tonight surpassed scalis point total for the entire season.

Its not Scalis fault as much as it is docs, because even if Scali scored 12 points in his 23 minutes this game was out of reach,but i blame doc because the two prior games ,both loses to inferior teams saw scali play many minutes and he had zero points and zero rebounds in both games combined.
Doc plays Sheldon and Baby so much less than Scali and they still out produce Scali by miles… so thats why i blame it on doc , he needs to play scali maybe 7 minutes or less not half the game

by perk on Dec 31, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

Actually, if BBD is healthy then Doc plays him WAY more minutes than Scal

But BBD hasn’t been healthy. Note that in the Golden State game the only reason Scal got any minutes (he only had 6 – less than your magic number) was because Baby got hurt.

Shelden’s points in this last game were mostly against the deep bench. And he plays offense in the post where he is the primary scoring option and also gets fouled a lot. Scal playes edge of the paint, sets picks and rolls to his perimeter jump shot, which is a tertiary scoring option and almost never gets fouled out there. Thus their points/minute stats are not really indicative of whose doing their job better. Which player you want out there depends on who else you have out there. If KG, Sheed or Perk or BBD are in the game – and they are all ahead of both Scal and Shelden in the depth chart – they are the post option and you don’t necessarily want another. If only one of those guys are in, you do need another big to play the perimeter. Shelden doesn’t play the perimeter defense as well as Scal. So in the normal rotations, Scal’s role comes up before Shelden’s.

Scal also plays the team defense better than Shelden. Shelden is a decent man defender, because of his reach. But he doesn’t get to his spots as quickly and doesn’t switch correctly all the time. He was very late coming out to contest on several shots. On the other hand, Scal was ‘in spot’ on several plays earlier in the game but still got beat because his man (Frye ?) shot rainbow mortar shots over him. Not much Scal could do – but it is possible that Shelden’s reach and athleticism would’ve helped there. We need Shelden’s body to be driven by Scal’s experience with this defense…

Shelden just needs to learn to play his positions in the defense better and he’ll get more and more minutes. He can’t rely so much on his athleticism.

The short of this though, is that Shelden is not really competing with Scal for minutes. He is a post player and is competing with Perk & KG, Sheed & BBD for minutes. Scal does sub for those all of those guys, but always in a rotation that shifts someone else into the post and he plays on the edge where he helps with defensive switches.

I want to make it clear, I’m not advocating that we play lots of Scal and little of Shelden. I’m just explaining WHY Doc and the coaches are playing more of Scal and less of Shelden. They aren’t insane.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Look at the Bright Side

There’s nothing wrong with the Celtics that a couple of young all stars wouldn’t cure.

by Brickowski on Dec 31, 2009 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

we got Rondo. Perk. Davis.

all we need is a 2 and 3 and we can be playoff contenders for the next decade. not title contenders at that point, but definitely playoffs.

by KY Celts fan on Dec 31, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Lester could be that 2.

He’s a bit of a hybrid between PG and SG, like Chris Paul, but once he gets his full NBA legs under him, I think he is going to be a scoring machine. He can shoot and can create his own shot. He doesn’t have as much length as some of the bigger 2s, which could hurt on defense. He was always a great man defender in college, though.

Still early. He’s got a few really great guards in front of him to learn from (Ray, Rondo, Doc himself …). He may end up flopping, but I see enough raw talent that I can definitely envision him as a legitimate scoring guard (as well as sometimes PG) in this league. He’s not going to be a Ray Allen – but how many of those are there?

Replacing Pierce though … That’s going to be tough.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

seemed like williams only got his points

in the last trash minutes of the game when benches were on the floor.
I don’t think he helps our team.

by mmbaby on Dec 31, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

At least Scal blocks and has a team mentality

I can’t wait to see BBD back on the floor. Last year as our starter after KG got hurt, he played like an all-star. If he can stop getting injuries, he is our bench key along with rasheed, tony and marquis

by mmbaby on Dec 31, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

Beat the Raptors?

They’ll have to do without KG and PP and BBD, again. And Rondo is not going to be 100% by Saturday… takes a week at the very least to get over a hamstring strain, and that’s if it’s the most minor grade. But maybe Ray will wake up and maybe the team will remember what defense means to them.

Still… Saturday looks like another tough game, against a team that has won their last 4.

by DRJ1 on Dec 31, 2009 12:13 AM EST reply actions  

BBD is playing this sat.

by cheekmeister on Dec 31, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't expect PP to play until the Miami game.

So Toronto could be another to put in the L column.

And actually, against Toronto – a run & shoot team like the suns – it is KG’s absence and Rondo’s injury that probably hurt more than Pierce’s absence.

KG just plain means SO much on defense because his reach and spacing control the paint. And Rondo’s hamstring hurts him mainly on defense when he has to react to the other guard – its causing him to play too soft.

I don’t have high expectations for this next game.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Hyperextended, they say. I didn’t see any hyperextension on the replays… but that’s what they’re saying. They also said KG’s injury now has nothing to do with the one last season…. small favors, but we’ll take ’em.

by DRJ1 on Dec 31, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

yes scali does have a team mentality

but only averaging 1 ppg in the NBA west were scores exceed 110ppg is too much for team mentality to overcome. he needs to develop a 14 footer and put up some points

by perk on Dec 31, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...

Time to panic, yet?

"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"

by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 31, 2009 3:13 AM EST reply actions  

in need

hey pierce and garnett..the team needs the both of you..

by lhytspd_ on Dec 31, 2009 3:20 AM EST reply actions  

You've gotta be kidding, Doc!!!

23 minutes of Scal? For what? 0 pts, 4 rbs, and 1 assist???

Meanwhile, Giddens, Walker and Hudson, who need the time to develop only get 7, 5, and 3 minutes.

by braz on Dec 31, 2009 4:25 AM EST reply actions  

Doc has to stop thinking that Scal is the future of this team.

by braz on Dec 31, 2009 4:27 AM EST up reply actions  

you are correct sir

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Dec 31, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

Giddens needs time to pack his bags to leave the team next year. That’s all he needs time for.

by Tai on Dec 31, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

temporary line up

why not get gerald green again??

by lhytspd_ on Dec 31, 2009 5:49 AM EST reply actions  

And...

while they are at it, they should also sign Kendrick Brown and Brad Lohaus.

"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"

by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 1, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

trade..

i think now is the time to trade Brian Scalabrine to the Mavs for the Celts to get gerald green..

by lhytspd_ on Dec 31, 2009 5:53 AM EST reply actions  

Just like Ray said

You give up easy games to teams like the Clippers and GS and then when stuff happens (injuries in this case) you’re gonna lose more games on top of that (now they are 1-3 on this trip instead of 3-1). Not good.

At least Eddie has hopefully found his shot again (or it could be a fluke and as someone said he hits when it doesn’t matter). I hope SOMEONE is going to play on Saturday (going to the game and paid 120 bucks per ticket…. ugh figures).

Doc keep running Ray and Rondo into the ground too. It’s only gonna help them out in the long run. You can tell Rondo is hurting and Ray is tired (hence the poor shooting night – no lift in his legs).

And where is this “best 6th man in the league” everyone was talking about earlier in the season? Don’t tell me it’s that 6ft 11" guy standing behind the arc waiting to jack a 3.

by SpecialistK on Dec 31, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I'm so grateful that these games were on the West coast.

It’s a lot easier for me to pretend they didn’t happen if I don’t see them.

by Black Bird on Dec 31, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

agree with everything you said Jeff

doc was brain dead this whole trip except for orlando. the celts don’t scare anyone right now and they’ve repeatedly demonstrated that if they get a lead they;ll give it up because they are too full of themselves. I just don’t see this as a championship team. Our bench is weak, our stars are aging and injury prone and we play down to the competition. we haven’t established anything on our home court and unless we’re rested we’ve shown that we get tired easily when playing lots of game in a short time. I keep hearing how we’re built for the playoffs but other than rondo I don’t see it. the rest of the guys are old and tired and jurt. Perk can’t control his anger and Sheed is even worse. The refs hate us and with good reason because we complain after every play. Yes, I think we’re victimized by the refs more than other teams but as Doc says we earned it. Sheed is out of shape and baby appears to have ballooned again. It’s never good to post after a game like last night since right now the glass definitely looks half empty but I think last night’s game exposed all of the weaknesses in our team. Iknow we’re better than that and the good news is that all of the other top teams have flaws as well but there is a lot we need to improve on before we have ANY chance of winning a title.

by Red2 on Dec 31, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

last year-xmas and after was like this year. xmas gives coal in the c’s stockings. they are not going to win anything with the youngsters but they’re on the roster and they deserve to play and they are there because you need depth when there are injuries. and don’t give me the "you have to prove yourself in practice’ routine. the c’s don’t practice that much and everyone knows that the game is where you get your seasoning. wake up doc- get your head out of the shade and remember- it’s a team game and the team is made up of more than the vets. and an old team gets hurt and needs rest for its fogies.

by nazzbo on Dec 31, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Must play young guys

Matt Light goes down and Pats didn’t go outside first. They went to Vollmer. Untried rookie who has been on team for a reason. What does Doc do? Shortens the bench and plays Scal more. I know I stuck up for Scal quite a bit in the past but he has been lousy this year. If he can’t nail the perimeter three he does not do enough other things to justify playing him over Walker, Giddens. Scal may be a great practice player and the others not but my lying eyes aren’t wrong on nearly all games I’ve watched.
This was the perfect game to play the other guys more. Our core guys were stinking the joint out, it was Suns pace (which favors youngs on our side), and we’ve got to determine if they have an NBA future at some point.
Doc won’t ever admit this is his blind spot but Danny ought to lean in a bit.

by Wildblu1 on Dec 31, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

So

you’re now trying to compare a NFL roster to a NBA roster. Vollmer probably showed what he could do in practice and when Light went down, Belicheck gave him a chance. Donald Brown, rookie RB for the Colts, probably proved his worth early on too. Like you said, Vollmer was probably on the team for a reason, and he proved that reason in practice.

Giddens, Hudson, and Walker probably did not. Why are you so certain that Doc in the coaching staff want to keep guys who are ready in his doghouse? If our end of the rotation guys could contribute, they’d be on the floor in meaningful minutes. it’s that simple. Danny probably just needs to draft better.

And Scal is much better than Giddens. Everyone wants to advocate for Giddens so suddenly. He’s not even a rookie, for crying out loud. Doc clearly doesn’t feel he can do anything worthwhile. Give it a rest with him.

by Tai on Dec 31, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We're both assuming

You assume the youngs have shown nothing in practice OR ELSE they would be out there. I’m assuming this is Doc’s blind spot (which I really don’t know). But the facts remain, these guys are occupying space on the bench, the short rotation was stinking out the joint or hurt. There was nothing to lose except a game doomed anyway. Scalabrine has lost confidence in his shot. Why should anyone else have confidence in it.
Is Scal better than Giddens? I don’t think Scal is as bad as many on this site do, and I think Scal gets it on defense. But Giddens can rebound and I think he can hustle too.
I don’t doubt Doc in the big picture. You haven’t heard me say "Fire him’ and most of the “talents” that moved on have moved on to nothing (Marcus Banks, Gerald Greene, Gabe Pruitt). But last night was a perfect chance to give the young guys some run and see what they could do in a game.

by Wildblu1 on Dec 31, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree.

I know I’ve defended / explained repeatedly why Scal is getting minutes in the normal rotations. But in a game like this?

 I would have sat Rondo & Ray after the first 12 minutes and probably ‘Sheed and Perk too. Tony is the only ’starter’ I would have left in, because he needs more minutes.

Of course, doing all that, I still would have had to have Scal out there for quite a few minutes with the youngsters in order to provide any sort of rotation and so that there would be at least ONE big man who could play the edge defense. I.E. – not have Scal in place of Shelden – but rather in their with him for stretches.

by mmmmm on Dec 31, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

short rotation

not surprised that in the game where Doc could have used the youth, more than any other game this year, due to injuries to many other players, he still chose to run his starters into the ground and rely on Veal and Eddie for lots of minutes.

Seriously, an 8-man rotation where House, Veal and Williams are the only bench players you use? What’s it going to take for the youth to get some game time? If it didn’t happen this game, it’s not going to happen for the rest of the season.

Expect to see the vets burnt out by the playoffs again, particularly Ray.

by slamtheking on Dec 31, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

they can beat us all they want ?

the shit teams like the suns lol lol the warriors bahhhh bahhhhhh and clippers hee heee wooo all get up to beat the lakers celtics and cavs its like there superbowl for them cause when they play other shiry teams like themselves they lose bottom line every smart n .b.a. fan celtic laker fan cav fan or just a basketball fan in general knows when its all said and done the celtics will be playing the lakers in the finals this year and all those crappy teams that beat us will watch what real basketball is all about …

by lohaus#54 on Dec 31, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Good luck with that - and Happy New Year, CB bloggers!

Apparently you forgot the Suns won in TD Garden as well.

This team is 5-4 vs teams with winning records. No chance for a title realistically even if healthy.

But hey, it’s 2010 – 3 or 4 seed is a lock due to the wrak conference/division – maybe it all turns around

by nba is the worst on Jan 1, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

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