Will the Celtics improve their roster talent even more with future trades?

by fordescort on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST

Ok the Celtics already have a pretty talented and deep team this year, but I think the even better news for the Celtics and the even worse news for the rest of the NBA is that they can get even better this year if they seek to make a couple of trades.

1st) I think many will agree the Celtics need to bolster their rebounding which has not been great this year, so I think it would be good idea to trade Big Baby, who as a young and promising player, should have some market value to trade for in exchange for preferably a true rebounding center or at least a power forward.

Surely by putting Baby on the trade block the Celtics should be able to find a big man that they can swap him for who can help the Celtics get some rebounds.

Since Williams scores almost as well as Baby , rebounds, defends and blocks shots much better than Baby, Bbay is expendable which allows the C's to be able to shop him around and trade for a player in return who can help remedy a team weakness which is rebounding.

2nd) I think many also will agree the Celtics need a small forward who can guard the athletic, quick and larger small forwards (like Lebron James etc.) that give the Celtics fits on the defensive end, so I say package the valuable and marketable expiring contracts of TA and Scal (worth around 7 million $$ in total) to find such a player.

Surely with the pricey hefty combined expiring contracts of Scal and TA the Celtics should be able to find a legit defending small forward who can help us defend against bigger, athletic small forwards which gives the C's so much headaches.

I think the Celtics have some nice bargaining chips to play with by offering Big Baby and the valuable expiring contracts of Scal and TA. to other teams and the above trade scenarios mentioned above, make sense, will help remedy some team weak spots and help fine tune this club for our title run heading into the playoffs.

Maybe we will have to wait for the trade deadline to see if the trades I recommended take place, but I hope they do since I think it will only make the C's better.

Does any one else agree with me that trading the above players to help improve the team is a good idea and if so any ideas who is available that we can possibly trade for?

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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Not a bad idea..

I agree that it does not make sense to keep both Baby and Williams (since they both do basically the same things on the court) and think the C’s should try to bolster the front court with more size to help their rebounding and low paint defense by trading Baby.

I prefer they trade Baby, since I think though Williams is not as great a scorer as Baby he is far better rebounder, interior defender and shot blocker due to the fact he plays much bigger than his height with his very long arm wingspan.

The C’s do need alot of help with rebounding so if Danny can find a young (please no old dudes) rebounding stud for Baby I say pull the trigger.

I also like the idea of trading Scal and TA and their juicy expiring contacts for a small forward who can defend big powerful small forwards like Lebron and athletic small forwards also when they are giving Pierce and Daniels fits.

I also like your point also that the Celtics can only get better with these trade chips they have in their basket.

Lets see what happens as we near the trade deadline.

by leothetiger on Dec 9, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions

danny food for thought!

Agreed…Danny must make moves for the second unit to win…not compete for the championship. Move BBD to the wizards along w/Giddens and secure Brandon Haywood.(reminder that Perk’s shoulder is tender) Move Rasheed to the #4 spot.
Move Scal and Tony Allen’s contracts to the Bulls for Kirk Heinrich. We need a tried and true B/U PG for the second unit. Last move reco’d for the second unit…move Bill Walker and Eddie House to Nuggets for Joey Graham for the #3 spot. Marquis stays @ the #2 spot for the “Green Team”. Sheldon Williams s/b the #11 guy on the bench. Antonio Daniels would be a nice fit for the #12 position and short money as a FA. The money works but most important this meets our needs to win it all by having the right guys in the right position.

by mike from western mass on Dec 12, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions

Agree...

If Ainge can pull the trigger and trade Baby to increase our length up front and improve our rebounding which is lack luster this year, I am all for it.

I see it this way Baby is expendable because we currently have a overload of power forwards since we have 4 in Garnett, Baby, Williams, Scalabrine and 5 if you count Rasheed (who use to be one).

Since we only have 2 legit centers in Perk and Rasheed, I think it makes sense to trade one of our abundant power forwards to get a legit rebounding center in the front court, who can help us when we are struggling on the boards.

That center will also be a great insurance policy in case Rasheed or Perk get hurt and will come in handy in the playoffs when we will be facing clubs with alot of size in Cleveland and Orlando.

I also agree trading Scal and TA for a wing defender is a must.

Long, athletic small forwards give us alot of problems and Pierce and Daniels need all the help they can get when they face them and struggle defending them.

Having a long, strong wing defender will also be nice to have heading into the playoffs when we will be facing Lebron, especially if he is on a roll and Pierce is either struggling defending him, in foul trouble or needs a blow on the bench.

Cmon Danny make some make it happen !

by celtics #1 on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions

celts making trades to improve ..

i like ronny turiaf but i don,t know what the warriors would want in return also you still need to see where we stand on trading for nocioni if we can get these players i just mentioned plus bill walker is on his way back this is going to be the beast in the east …

by lohaus#54 on Dec 12, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions

NEED A BACK UP PG! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!

Is nobody seeing the games? Yes we’re being out-rebounded more than we should, yes we struggle against great wing players like Lebron James because Marquis Daniels isn’t what the Celtics expected when healthy (and I knew he wouldn’t be), but our real problem is that WE DO NOT HAVE A BACKUP POINT! Watch the game and you can see that! Rondo had to play 38 minutes last night, and that might be fine now, but that’ll take its toll. Even still, we need somebody, ANYBODY to be able to back us up at point! That was one of our top necessities at the end of last season and we have never filled it, and if we don’t it’s going to catch up with us. Yes, the Scal and TA one for Hinrich would be good, because it fills our TOP need, a backup PG! I don’t know why we should trade Big Baby until we see how he comes back healthy. But I cannot believe that no one else is talking about this! This is the make or break thing.

by chicagomaroon on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST reply actions

Tyrone Lue...

who is currently on our bench as a player developer coach will probably be our back up point guard soon, which will take care of a our hole at point guard and your concern.

We still though need to get bigger upfront to improve our big time rebounding problem and since Baby is expendable (and does zip to help us with rebounding) its not a bad idea for Danny to shop him to see if we can acquire a player who can help us get boards.

Then we can trade Scal and Ta to get a decent wing defender that we have a dire need of.

Ford escort and you chicagomaroon are both right, the C’s have 3 weakness’s to address and the 3 solutions above can fix them all if Danny can make the right trades near the trade deadline.

If he can title # 18 will be even closer then it is now.

Lets hope he can

by leothetiger on Dec 13, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions

Big Baby is ALL the C's need

Trade BBD?!?!?! You all must have forgotten just how good a player Baby is. Ok, MAYBE Sheldon Williams is a little bit better rebounder, but defender? scorer? Leothetiger, gimme a break. Don’t we remember how good a job BBD does defending Tim Duncan, or other powerful bigmen? I’m looking forward to having another legitimate scoring option off the bench. Just wait and see, having BBD is going to make our bench significantly better. I wouldn’t trade either BBD or Sheldon Williams. Not having enough big men is what got the C’s in trouble last post-season, so having 5 quality bigmen is a GOOD thing.
For the point guard issue, I say what issue. I agree we don’t want to have Ray or Eddie House bringing the ball up the court, but I am not off the Daniels band wagon yet. His thumb injury is the only thing holding him back. remember the first two weeks of the season and how well Marquis was playing? He is a solid PG and also an excellent defender and decent rebounder. With more scoring options off the bench like BBD, look for Daniels to improve his stats. This is the best roster in the league. I just hope Danny Ainge keeps it as is. Suck on that blogosphere!

by Wezlay603 on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions

Wezlay603 give me a break............

Yes Baby can at times play some low post defense against some big men since he has bulk to push them out, but I repeat he is only a good defender at times.

Most of the time he does not have the height (he is only 6’8" even though he is listed as 6’9") or the length to defend the low post since he has a short arm span and other big man score over him with ease.

Baby is also a very poor rebounder and shot blocker which is key ingredients to be missing when your suppose to be a power forward on the team.

Also you accusing me of wanting to trade Baby and causing the roster to lose a big man off our bench is silly.
Did you not read what I wrote, I wrote that if Danny can trade Baby for a legit big man that can rebound, defend the post and block shots better than Baby can I would be for such a trade.

If such a trade could take place it would give the C’s a better big man threat off the bench then Baby is for us currently!

by leothetiger on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions

Baby is not a great big man...

He does not defend the low post well since he is undersized,
He does not rebound well,
He has no shot blocking ability,
He has no low post game and has trouble finishing offensively above the rim and against taller defenders since he is short, can not jump and has a short arm wing span.

Yes he can defend at times against some big’s just by using his brute strength and bulk like he does against Duncan and you forgot to include Shaq who he plays well, but that does not make him a good defender since his lack of length makes it tough for him to compete against strong, lengthy big man.

I still think Baby can help this team with his hustle, young legs and just being a banger for us and using his 6 fouls.

But if Danny can upgrade the position by swapping Baby and getting a big man who can defend & score in the low post, rebound and block shots better than Baby I think many would say make the trade since it is a no brainer that it would improve the talent on the team and help the C’s chance of winning a title improve.

by fordescort on Dec 16, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions