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Garnett's Head Games: childish tantrum or intentional vet move?

I was reading the comments in the game recap for the Mavs game, when I saw this quote from TheAncientRivalry:

"Was anyone else unimpressed by KG picking up a cheap foul and tech and pretty much taunting dirk? I dont know, It was somewhat childish, dirk scored on KG twice in a row and then KG pretty much through a temper tantrum and was a non factor the rest of the way…I couldnt help but roll my eyes when reggie started giving KG all this credit for the comeback…if anyone else in the league had 19/15/14 its all youd be hearing about..not KG getting up into a guy whos known to back down"

The bolded sections touch on some things I wanted to hear some opinions on, but I was afraid it'd get buried if I replied in the recap so I decided to give it it's own blog.  The topic I'm curious about is what part you believe head games can play in some outcomes.  As AncientRivalry points out, Dirk had been scoring relatively easily all game when KG went nuts.  Up to that point (2:15 left in 3rd Q) Dirk had 31 points on 11-for-18 shooting from the field and the Celtics were flat as a team, then after KG's "tantrum" Dirk went 0-for-7 over the next 12 minutes of the game and the Celtics came to life. 

Now, I have rightly seen Leon Powe's 4th quarter defense praised here, and I also remember Big Baby and Pierce taking a few turns on Dirk during that stretch as well.  They basically took away the paint and forced Dirk to shoot jumpers, and he couldn't knock them down.  Excellent.  BUT, I will say that IMO many of the shots that Dirk missed in the 4th are shots that he often makes when he's comfortable.  And there-in brings me back to the question of if KG's head games factor in here.

Because, as AncientRivalry points out, Dirk has been known to back down when challenged physically.  And during KG's stalking/bumping/antagonizing of Dirk when he picked up the fouls, KG pulled out the defense move that I can only really remember him doing often against Chris Bosh (another guy he seems to intimidate): KG goes deep into a defensive stance, all the way up in the opponent's personal space.  It's actually terrible defense, as if the player drives at all it's an automatic foul since he's so close.  But it's almost a contemptuous type of stance, like he's telling them that he has so little respect for their offensive game that he can get up in their skin and there's nothing they can do about it.  I know there's a picture of him doing it to Bosh somewhere, so let me see if I can find it...(long search)...OK, found it.  Here is what I was trying to describe.

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KG has done that particular overly aggressive stance twice to Bosh this season and now once to Dirk, and this was the situation/result each time:

1) 11/10/08, the infamous "KG pointed at Calderon" game.  KG pulled out that stance on Bosh right around the same time that he pointed at Calderon, with the Celts down by 6 points with 1 minute left in the third quarter.  After those incidents Bosh and Calderon made a COMBINED 1 field goal for the rest of the game with Bosh throwing up a goose egg.  Pierce gets fired up has a huge scoring 4th quarter.  Celtics win by 6.

2) 1/12/09: Raptors up 2 points with 8 minutes left in the 4th, Bosh leading the way with 16 points.  KG comes into the game, gets aggressive, pulls out the "you're beneath me" defensive stance and Bosh proceeds to go without a field goal for the rest of the fourth quarter and overtime.  Pierce gets fired up and has a huge scoring game.  Celtics win.

3) 2/12/09: Mavs up 7 points with 2:16 left in the 3rd Q of a game when the Cs had been listless.  Dirk has 31 points and is on fire.  KG gets way into Dirk's personal space and (maybe) his head, does the "you're beneath me" thing, and Dirk goes 0-for-7 on jumpers that he often makes for the next 12 minutes of the game.  Pierce gets fired up and has a huge scoring 4th quarter.  Celtics win.

Now, the obvious difference is that in those two Raptors examples KG was still defending Bosh afterward whereas against the Mavs it was mainly Powe on Dirk.  But game situation, opponent caliber, and possible opponent intimidation index were all exactly the same.  And the results (both for the individual opponent and the game) were the same in all 3 cases, almost verbatim: KG's opponent disappears, Pierce gets fired up and scores a lot of points, Celtics win.

So, after this book that I wrote (never intended it to be this in depth), my question to you is: do you buy it?  Do you agree with AncientRivalry that it was just a KG temper tantrum and that KG didn't factor into what came after?  Or do you think that Reggie Miller was right, that KG intentionally went off and got into Nowitzki's head to energize his teammates and deflate his opponents? 

 

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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People underrated how sophisticated can pro-athletes be. I stopped believing KG was merely “intense” and “emotional” like 6 years ago.

by cordobes on Feb 13, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

I think

KG is nuts but in a good way. He is controlled fury, if that makes any sense, and has played like this for so long. Sometimes I think he goes over the top but if, in the end, he gets another banner, god love him.

by The Real Large James 2 on Feb 13, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Very interesting analysis...

Interesting analysis, DRZA. You might have cherry picked certain games to illustrate your point, but I like it anway. :)

And after a while, it sounds like a broken record. With sweet music that ends up in a Celtics victory.

I have absolutely NO doubt that professional athletes will work to get any edge over their opponents. And that means more than simply trying to physically overpower your opponents.

A psychological edge in ANY endeavor is huge…whether it’s the basketball court of board room corporate politics.

Is KG simply a maniac? Perhaps. But I prefer to think that the ingredients that make up Kevin Garnett are 3 parts athletic freak, 3 parts unbelievable work ethic, 2 parts passionate freak, and 2 parts superior psychologist. Add it all up, and you get a near perfect 10 as a basketball player.

It’s certainly easy to dismiss Reggie’s comments in how he credited KG with the emotional fuel that lead to their victory. And I can certainly see how Ancient (and other fans) will more easily credit the guys who provide the measurables (i.e.-Rondo’s triple double and Pierce’s q4 heroics).

But basketball players are emotional creatures…they know what makes them go. And Reggie should know, since he made basketball his living.

Does KG deserve all the credit for their comebacks? Absolutely not. I believe there’s more to it than KG’s emotional fuel. Conversely, there’s also more to it than Pierce and Rondo getting their #‘s. It’s a complex thing…but if you combine emotional fire (KG), the psychological edge (Doc’s double T), the beautiful play and execution of Rondo and Pierce, the D of Powe and Big Baby, the final product is a team that is capable of amazing feats…like coming back from a 15 point deficit on the road on the 2nd day of a back to back.

On any given day, the emotional fire, the psychological edge, the overall play and defensive execution can come from different players. But in order to win it all, I firmly believe that all 4 elements (3 if you combine emotional fire and psychological edge) need to be firmly in place. You’re not going to win if your team is missing any of them. The beauty of this team is that the overall basketball execution can come from one of many players.

But on the emotional and psychological side of the ball, KG is the usually the constant. He’s the emotional identity of this team and the one that has gotten the team (and the coaches) to believe that they are superior…even on days when they are not.

If KG’s antics get under the skin of opposing players, then great! It helps give us an edge. The moment this team starts to doubt itself or play without fire is the moment that this team will no longer content for a world championship.

by green tea on Feb 13, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I dont see how it gave us a physcological edge last night
1. KG was just mad dirk was abusing him
2. KG had to sit out much of the rest of the game and didnt contribute at all after the tirade, so in a sense it actually hurt us.
3. Dirk was just as aggressive after the confrontation, he just missed shots.
4. KG doesnt deserve any credit for his actions last night – he lost his cool and looked a fool, because he was getting abused he had to rely on his “antics”
5. All the credit should go to the players that actually won the game with there play on the floor and not there childish tantrums

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

6. KG wasnt even on the floor when dirk missed those shots
7. He didnt know when to stop last night, and shoudlve been tossed along with doc rivers

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 13, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of us just don’t take things at face value. What KG did if anything was fire the team up. How was this game going before KG AND Doc did something about it? Didn’t look like a W to me. KG provided an emotional spark. Can’t argue with results.

by NoraG1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Thats a cop out for some sketchy behavior…KG planned to get scored on twice in a row and get 2, stupid quick fouls that put him on the bench for 12 minutes? The team got the win despite this not because of it

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 13, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Please just because people don agree with you doesn’t mean they are making a ‘cop out’ that is ridiculous. Whatever. No use arguing with you if anyone who take a different opinion as a ‘cop out’

by NoraG1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

The team needed a spark and got it. Didn’t look like anyone on the team was that interested until they were woken up. Not saying it is the only reason but it helped.

by NoraG1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

They were already cutting into the lead before this incident and KG lost his cool because he couldnt stop Dirk, and picked up 2 quick fouls and a technichal because he didnt know how to stop – anyone else in the league gets ejected for doing what he did. IMO the spark was rondo and pierces play, maybe docs ejection..not KG losing his cool…but hey to each his own

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 13, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not an either-or question...

This wasn’t meant to be a question of whether Rondo OR Pierce OR Doc OR KG deserve credit…it was supposed to be a question of whether KG deserved any of the credit along with Rondo AND Pierce AND Powe. Since they’re all one team, even if someone thinks that KG’s mind tricks helped it doesn’t mean that they are somehow denigrating the others.

That said, your version of events is interesting to me. You point out that the Celtics were cutting into the lead before KG “lost his cool”, and you mention 3 possible candidates for helping spark the come back (Pierce, Rondo, or Doc’s ejection)…but the thing is, if you’re right that the Cs started coming back before the incident, wouldn’t KG still have to be a candidate for helping with the spark? KG was the leading the team in scoring prior to that incident with 10 points during the quarter when the Cs started cutting the lead.

In fact, him and Dirk were going tit-for-tat in the quarter as both had 10 points in the quarter at the time, which to me brings into question the theory that KG just lost it because he couldn’t stop Dirk…if anything, that theory would have worked in the first half when KG couldn’t buy a shot and Dirk was on fire. In the third they both had it going before the incident, after which point neither had it going anymore.

Which is interesting, because Boston’s offense could afford missing KG a lot easier than Dallas’ could afford missing Dirk. KG’s physicality also managed to get a T on Dirk, too, and if Dirk would have responded with just a bit of aggression they easily could have both been tossed…which would have also had a similar effect…just saying…

by drza44 on Feb 13, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You bring some good points Drza.

by NoraG1 on Feb 13, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

If KG gets a cheap foul or a T here and there....

…then I’m perfectly OK with it. Can it hurt us? Absolutely, ticky tack fouls or cheap technicals can hurt us. Kevin even got suspended for a game. But by an large, he’s been able to harness his emotions in a way that is productive to the team (instead of brooding or hurting the team like other emotional players (Artest and Rasheed Wallace come to mind).

But if having a subdued Kevin is going to make him less passionate (and dare I say, less maniacal) about playing the game and firing up the C’s, then I’ll take his antics any day and twice on Sundays.

An emotional Kevin is an effective Kevin. Sometimes you have to accept some of the drawbacks.

by green tea on Feb 13, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

Good points

Give KG, Doc, Rondo, Powe, Ray (3rd qtr), PP (4th qtr) and Thibodeaux. It was a collective effort. KG couldn’t stop Dirk and Dirk has a history vs KG and other players that confront him. Dirk can be intimidated, so KG used that to his advantage. This is another reason why the Cs miss Posey. From what I see off the ball subtle (usually) acts that usually gets under opponents’ skin is caused by KG.

I know that KG doesn’t derserve to get huge credit as Ancient is talking about but he was part of the reason which included a lot of other things to go right for the Cs to win. Great grind it out win for Cs, another thing that wasn’t mentioned is Ray’s 3rd qtr that allowed PP to conserve energy for the 4th quarter Superman show.

by TR17banners on Feb 13, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

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