Blockbuster Coming In San Antonio?
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It's hard to remember the last time I heard a Vince Carter trade rumor that didn't engender some degree of pity for the proposed recipient of Carter's services. But we've got just one such trade wind to mull over today.
The San Antonio Express-News' Jeff McDonald reported Saturday that there is some buzz around the league about a San Antonio-New Jersey deal that would send Carter to the Spurs for some combination of Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen. As McDonald explains, cap restrictions prevent the Spurs and Nets from making a four-for-one including all of those players, but something similar might be arranged.
As I've made clear in this space before, I'm not a VC fan. He behaved deplorably at the end of his tenure in Toronto, and watching the Nets over the past few years hasn't always led me to believe that Carter was that interested in what was happening on the court. As ultra-talented as he is, he has done more than his share of loafing in his NBA career, and he also occasionally goes into the mode where he decides he is breaking every play to force up contested off-balance flings from deep. That act gets tiring in a hurry.
All that in mind, it's often hard to like him or to envision the player that VC has been for much of his career as the right guy for a defense, teamwork and effort-oriented team like the Spurs. But for a good portion of the time since Jason Kidd was traded last year and throughout this season, Carter's interest level has appeared to be more consistent.
When he is interested, Vince Carter has the ability to be really good. That combined with the relatively reasonable price tag is why the Spurs would have to at the very least consider making this move if it does end up on the table.
The upshot is that this is a move that would add a dimension to the Spurs' offense. Suddenly, they gain a third 20-point scorer to Tim Duncan and Tony Parker in a lineup that already features Manu Ginobili coming off the bench. That's four legitimate stars: a speedy penetrating point guard who can hit the mid-range shot, two dynamic wings and one of the best big men to ever play the game. All four players can shoot from at least mid-range, all three guards will knock down open looks from behind the arc, and all of them can get to the basket. Defending this team late in games would be extremely challenging, especially because of how difficult it would be to double-team and trap them with four stars on the floor.
The big question about Carter on a basketball level is of course whether his attitude would fit in town. Much as he isn't a personal favorite, it's only fair to credit him for the fact that, as mentioned earlier, he has done a reasonable job of getting after it this season in New Jersey. He isn't breaking as many plays as he once did, he's distributing to less talented teammates (4.9 assists per game) and he's still getting nearly 21 points per game on efficient shooting. Carter's 39.3 percent mark from beyond the arc is his best since 2005, and his 55 percent true shooting mark is tied for the third-best of his career. He has even been spotted diving for loose balls here and there, and he has won a couple of close games for the Nets with his clutch late-game performances. He is 32 years old and stuck on a team that is going nowhere in the immediate future, yet he continues to come to play. If ever there were a time for him to have matured to the point where he could really appreciate playing on a contending team, this is it. It's hard to imagine that Carter's arrival wouldn't help the Spurs' 13th-ranked offensive efficiency by season's end.
But despite the fact that the outgoing costs aren't huge, there are risks in both the present and the future with giving up the players mentioned. The Spurs have built their organization over the last decade on the value of team above all else. After a rough start to the season due to injuries and rotation question marks, this team has jelled over the last couple of months, rising to sit second in the West at the break. Everyone seems to have a role.
Bruce Bowen may have lost a step, but he still made his fifth straight All-Defensive First Team last season. While his role has decreased, he is still a valuable piece to the Spurs' fourth-ranked defense, and his importance will only increase against top-tier wings in the playoffs. Roger Mason has established himself as one of the game's best three-point shooters (checking in at 44.9 percent), has provided a spark off the bench and hit several big shots in the waning moments of games this season. George Hill has spelled Tony Parker at the point and played with an aggressiveness and confidence that may have led Spurs brass to view him as the team's point guard of the future.
Gregg Popovich's Spurs rely heavily on chemistry and being on the same wavelength to ensure that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Moving several players for Carter could deplete the bench and might also weaken the defense this season. If the folks running the show in San Antonio believe this team has a reasonable shot to win a championship as assembled, perhaps they lay off the deal.
Further, the cost down the road will be high. While Carter might be able to summon the right amount of intensity and effort this season, having a player like him around on a long-term guaranteed deal can be dangerous. VC is locked in through 2011, and he is scheduled to make $48.8 million between now and then. Mason, Oberto and Bowen all have contracts that come off the books at the end of next season, and none of them makes more than $4 million either year. Hill's rookie deal has team options at less than $3 million through 2012, and again it bears mention that he is expected to be an important part of the future in San Antonio.
Going for broke with the home-run trade hasn't exactly been the Spurs' style over the years, and neither has been acquiring players like Vince Carter. But when he cares, VC is well beyond good. It makes sense for the Spurs to listen to any VC offer that doesn't include sending one of their three stars in the other direction. But what cost is worth sacrificing to bring in a 20-point scorer with baggage and a hefty contract?
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Unrelated recommending reading: BBright Side of the Sun's Phoenix Stan scored press credentials to many of the All-Star festivities going on this weekend. He's been live blogging and posting all sorts of good content over the last couple of days. Definitely worth getting over there to take a look.
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good for the spurs if they can pull this off. It would really improve their team and give them an extra couple of runs at the title. I’d do it because this team is not exactly set up for the future. May as well pull out all the tricks over the next 2-3 years before the team is too old to compete. Also good for the C’s if they can get Oberto or Bowen.
by moiso on Feb 15, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, Vince has evolved exactly into a Spurs kind of player.
by moiso on Feb 15, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please yes
This would lead to so buyouts of experienced former Spurs.
by Wide Load on Feb 15, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But would we be able to sign any of them?
by Fafnir on Feb 15, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better chance then if nothing happened?
It is trades like this that are going to put players on the FA market that could help the Cs.
by Wide Load on Feb 15, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let's hope so
could be a terrific deal for the Spurs..
and once the Nets are going to waive Bowen and Oberto, I think Danny really needs to have a good look at both of them. I always hated Bowen, and I think he has lost a step or
two this year, but he still could be the Swingman we desperately need to guard players like LBJ or Kobe if only for maybe 10-15 minutes a game. Oberto hasn’t played at all this year, but he still might be a valuable piece..
by MunichsNo.1CeltsFan on Feb 15, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Could make the Spurs more dangerous, especially against the Lakers.
by footey on Feb 15, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
for all those people who want marbury, vince is far more viable and would benefit san antone. he’s not over the hill and can play team d. pop knows how to put a team together, and whatever they lose in a trade pop would find a way to get it back.
by nazzbo on Feb 15, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand what New Jersey is doing. Surely they’ve been offered numerous expiring contracts over the past 9 months for Vince? Why the interest now?
It’d be a great trade for San Antonio because they’re not on par with the top three squads (Boston, Cleveland, Lakers), and this helps bring them closer to that.
by Who on Feb 15, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Nets have 15 players in their roster. Are they going to buyout 3 players in order to make this deal. They can’t cut the players they receive from the Spurs to get down to 15 players agian. Hence, I’m very skeptical about this trade happening. Plus, Duncan doesn’t seem a big fan either:
Officially, Tim Duncan is not a member of the Spurs front office. But you can bet his comfort-level is taken into account when it comes to personnel moves. Gregg Popovich doesn’t call his All-Star forward “The Franchise” for nothing.
So when Duncan weighed in Saturday on the whispers that the Spurs might be considering a four-player swap for Vince Carter, well, it carries some weight.
“No offense to Vince, obviously he’s an excellent player,” Duncan said told the Web site Hoops World during All-Star festivities in Phoenix. “We’d love to have him. But to give up most of our team to add one guy, I don’t think that’s the way you want to go.”
Duncan, like Popovich, is big on what the Spurs call call “institutional knowledge.” That should tell you a bit about where this deal is headed.
“It’s a long season and we have a lot of guys who have been here a long time and understand the way we want to play,” Duncan said. “Just to insert one new piece and try to teach him in half a season the way we want to play isn’t the way that we work.”
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/duncan-says-no.html
by cordobes on Feb 15, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That kind of says it all...
Bowen on the free market is a nice thing to think about though.
by B-ball on Feb 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bowen would go back to San Antonio. Oberto, I’m not so sure.
by CoachBo on Feb 15, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
to the trade spurs
i want the spurs to do the trade vc doesnt scare the celtics remeber when the spurs beat the celtics the spurs 3 didnt beat the celtics it was mason,and hill at the beginninng of the 4th qtr and this trade also takes bowen and another reserve away.
by tcelt on Feb 15, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
would be helpful
having this trade actually happen would be a good thing from the standpoint it would make the Lakers rode to the finals that much tougher. Not that the Lakers still couldn’t get there and I’d love nothing better than to beat them for 2 in a row, but this would make SA an extremely tough out for LA—-they don’t have another team in that conference that could knock them off at this point like Cleveland could do to Boston.
by slamtheking on Feb 15, 2009 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope the spurs do it!
It would be nice to have the lakers actually play at least one tough opponent on the way to losing to us in the finals. We get tired out by the cavs, magic, hawks, and the lakers have it easy out there in the west.
by hpantazo on Feb 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs, as currently constructed, will beat the Lakers in 6. If they trade for the Tankster, they won’t make it out of the first round. If they’re thinking of doing something this foolish, they might as well call Dumars and swing a trade for the thugster. At least the thugster puts forth effort as he wrecks a team.
The Spurs will come out of the west unless they do something foolish like trade the core of their depth for a career underachiever.
by iowa plowboy on Feb 16, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the spurs cannot beat the lakers in 6. the Lakes are playing the best ball in the League right now. and they will be the NBA champions.
by celtics111 on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
with or without Carter the Spurs r not as good as the Lakers
by celtics111 on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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