The Debate: Powe vs. Baby
When I was on Celtics Stuff Live, the guys were kind enough to put me on the spot and make me chose between Powe and Baby (no hedging allowed). Of course, this is a little like asking a father which of his kids he loves the best, but I actually did give an answer. You'll have to download the show to hear which one I said.
At various points this year, one has stepped up when the other was struggling. A few times both have been solid and both have been below average, but usually it seems like one or the other.
It seems like fans all around have started taking sides. Some feel passionately about Big Baby and some are adamant that Leon Powe is the real deal. Both camps have great arguments and even though I gave the CSL guys an answer that I believe in, I can't say that they are that far apart. In other words, if I wanted to hedge and say I love them both, I could make the case for both.
Still, since they put me on the spot, I'll put you on the spot. Who do you like better? That goes for the rest of this season and the years to come. Let me put it to you this way: You're Danny Ainge, you've just agreed in principle to make a trade to upgrade the roster and part of the deal is the other GM is giving you the option to give him either Powe or Baby, who do you keep?
Keep in mind, this exact scenario may not play out this week, but at the end of the year Ainge will likely have to make some tough decisions. He might have to chose who to keep and who to let go. It is possible he might resign them both, but it seems like they duplicate each other too much.
I think it will come down to one or the other. Feel free to discuss.
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powe goes....
to tell you the truth, one of these guys is gonna get resigned, the other will probably be traded in a deal to land a first rounder this year (there should be lots of sellers…) I just don’t see Danny giving BOTH these guys Scalabrine level contracts when their games are so similar. Moving one to draft a big on the rookie scale is much more economical (Tyler Hansbrough anyone??)
Danny probly keeps Baby b/c he seems to have more upside.
by armstrong369 on Feb 16, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because they're so similar,
it’s tough to say it even really matters. I see them progressing in a very similar fashion, with Powe able to bang a bit more because of his mentality and Baby with slightly more range.
by Slick on Feb 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what you're getting back
Trade Leon and you are flexible about what comes back. Not so with Baby. You must get a legit 5 back if you trade Baby, because he’s our only backup that can guard the truly gargantuan centers.
by Mencius on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Leon
They’re so close. I give Leon a slight edge because of his attitude and his consistency (he’s certainly not a model of consistency, but he’s better than Davis in this department). Also, I trust Leon to not mess things up late in games. Leon knows how to adapt to what the team is doing, and although Baby techincally has that higher basketball IQ, I think that Baby has trouble sometimes doing exactly what the team needs him to do.
by Toine43 on Feb 17, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In a vacuum, Davis for sure
Not sure how anyone could chose anyone besides Davis if one is evaluating overall basketball ability. He does so many more things than Leon, he can shoot a little, vs. not at all, can handle and reverse the ball on the perimeter, put the ball on the floor, etc. Clearly this is not how people are evaluating the question as evidenced by the results of the poll which heavily favors Leon.
I think Leon might be the answer if the question is which one plays a better role for this Celtic team. Leon does the dirty work, is relentless on the boards, and is generally the nastier player. So in fact. he might be better for this Celtic team, although I am not entirely sure. What I am sure about, is that if either of them tried to play for a lesser team in a starting role, Davis would be the far more effective player because of his clearly superior overall game. Leon has more limited skills and would not get nearly as much done if too much was expected of him.
by KJ33 on Feb 17, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think id go with my boy Leon
If only because I like his aggressive mentality
by Marqui on Feb 17, 2009 2:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only if
He can develop a consistent outside Jump shot I think Leon is the man. However, I agree with some people that we need another big because of Davis’s weight which allows him to guard the Bynums a and others.
No question Leon is more athletic that’s why I choose him
by richardlight on Feb 17, 2009 3:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who is cheaper to re-sign?
They are close enough that economics matters greatly. Is there any team that would raise the price by looking at either player for something more than bench role player? It also may come down to if one has more trade value. I don’t know enough to evaluate the two on those criteria.
by LooseCannon on Feb 17, 2009 5:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
baby is more mobile and skilled and throws more games like his great game against detroit last year. powe throws more 9-14 point games and 6-10 rebound games, mid level, good sub games.leon takes more charges, baby gets more steals. we mostly like both and i would be glad for the one who stays, sad for the one who goes. if push came to shove, i’d keep leon, but i could get persuaded for baby. no matter, we need another big.
by nazzbo on Feb 17, 2009 7:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keep Baby.
He’s more versatile, better passer, better defender, ability to spread the floor, can play bigger players. Baby can also play with any frontcourt player because of his versatility, not so for Leon. Leon can only play effectively with KG or with Baby (because Baby plays outside when Leon is in the game). Baby can do what Leon does (not as good finishing, but good enough), but Leon can’t do everything Baby does. Easy decision, imo.
by Bankshot on Feb 17, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keep Leon – He is a very tough guy and has more desire. Neither of these guys fill the length problem. Ship out Patrick O’Popeye
by johnnymost on Feb 17, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Popeye Jones?
I’m pretty sure we already traded him 10 years ago
by chunnamark on Feb 17, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heart says leon, brain says
Big Baby, BANKSHOT sums it up nicely. Baby is more versatile, he can play inside next to KG or outside with KP. Powe is a heart filled beast but the limitations in his game effect the rotations, and create spacing problems. the only way i can see sticking with powe is if we bring in another big with a little range and passing skills… joe smith…
by arctic 3.0 on Feb 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
on paddy o
hopefully a few years in the system with clifford ray will turn him into a commodity but for now… no trade value what so ever.
by arctic 3.0 on Feb 17, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Powe Now, ? in the Future
If Danny is making a trade to upgrade the roster now and we can only keep one, then I’m going all out to win this year and that means keeping Leon. The team has been trying to transform BBD’s game and with only 1/3 left of the regular season, I don’t see Baby putting it all together — the jumpshot, when to shoot and when to pass, when to play outside and when to play inside, how to draw fouls, how not to commit fouls — consistently and effectively this year. Given that the Big 3 will be getting even more minutes in the playoffs, Leon is a better fit: he’s good at moving without the ball which gives any of the Big 3 an outlet for an easy basket if they are double-teamed; he draws fouls helping his teammates get to the free-throw line and helping to put his opponents on the bench; and he’s gotten to the point where he’s really just as good on defense as Baby.
Now, if the question is who do we re-sign in the off-season, I think the edge may go to Baby, as his versatility and rate of improvement may allow him to surpass Powe’s within a year or two. (Although if Powe works on the jumpshot that he showed a bit of when he came into the league, it gets closer.)
by MattD on Feb 17, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Powe(neD) for the short term/rest of year, BBD if we want to keep working on the project. Despite his alleged defensive woes, I think Powe® still meshes with the team better now, whereas BBD gets the nod if we want to keep working on him next year.
I think moneywise, Baby will command more in the long term, because of his upside, but Powe will consistently be exactly what he is now, just a little better when it comes to the little things…
by chunnamark on Feb 17, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unofortunately Baby
Because he is a legit back up center whereas Powe is not.
by The Real Large James 2 on Feb 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Powe All Day
Baby MAY develop in the long term, but he just seems like he is gon be this century’s Oliver Miller. Powe on the other hand is a straight blue collar workhorse. He does almost every fundamental well, is a superior rebounder, a more efficient (although maybe a lil less versatile) scorer than Davis. He plays like Perkins, minus getting T’d up every couple of games… Plus if KG got up in Powe’s grill about playing garbage I think he would either take it like a man or take a swing at him, not make a teary spectacle of himself on the pine. I think Powe could be a potential starter for 10-15 teams right now, if he played 30 a game he would probably be a 12/10 type of dude. So I think from a monetary and production standpoint, when the time comes Ainge should tell Baby to step.
by BLAOW on Feb 17, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs






















