Tony Allen to have thumb surgery
TA will be out until the playoffs at least.
How will this affect Gabe / rotations and the trade deadline / potential free agents?
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When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Replacing Posey with TA is looking better and better all the time...
Time to get Walker some run.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Meanwhile, in New Orleans
They’re moving their 3rd best player in a salary dump transaction because of luxury tax concerns created by overspending on James Posey.
Fiscal responsibility isn’t easy, but it was the right thing to do, short-term and long-term.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
The two teams are in different situations...
The Celtics were and are a true contender. The Hornets thought that they were a true contender, and it turned out that they aren’t (mostly due to injuries and Chandler’s regression). Posey would have been a good investment for the Celts (in the short term) and is looking like a bad one for the Hornets (in the short and long term).
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
This Comment Is Unfair to Posey
Posey, the Celtics and the Hornets had to make decisions. This was Posey’s last chance at a contract and he chose to do what was best financially for his family. We do not know anything about his private life and that was his decision to make. It was not greed. We should just be appreciative of his contribution to bringing the Championship back were it belongs. I would rather he could have been kept here, but I, for one, thank him for what he did and wish him the best.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
You appreciate it
I choose to believe he overvalued himself and should have taken the C’s offer of 3 years.
It was greed. IMO.
'We circle all the games' - KG
Doesn't change a thing...
At the contract he commanded, Posey was a bad investment short and long term. While NO is making the salary dump for expiring contracts now, if we’d made the bad investment in Posey we’d be making our salary dump in the summer of 2010, either forgoing the rights to Ray Allen, or playing hardball with Rondo’s extension (or selling off 1st round picks). Being as prudent as we were, we’re still able to afford our starting five, something the Hornets cannot do, unfortunately for them.
Under no conceivable argument does it make sense to sign a declining role player at the expense of keeping together the best starting five in the league over the next 3 seasons. Due to the Big 3’s salary, we’ll always be pairing low salary guys around them. If we don’t, it’s financial suicide, especially considering the financial crisis this country currently faces. Answer me this, Roy: would you rather have Posey’s contract overburdening our cap and forcing us to make purely financial deals down the road, at the possible expense of Ray or Rondo; OR, would you rather us have the short term dollars available to us this offseason, an offseason with multiple veteran free agents and few teams with the cap space or overall economic outlook to invest in a big free agent signing? Last year’s offseason free agent market was a seller’s market, 09’ is going to be a buyer’s market, and we’ve wisely positioned ourselves to take advantage of that market, while other teams are gutting their roster because they didn’t have the foresight.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
So, Ainge was wrong
on offering Posey a 3 year deal?
No, he was right
Years 4 and 5 are where Posey’s contract would have potentially hurt us, costing us Rondo or Ray or more. That why Ainge held the line starting at the 4th year. Now we can spend that same money this offseason and get more value for it while at the same time still positioning ourselves to resign Rondo and Ray. Posey would be lucky to get half of what he got last summer if he’d be a free agent this summer. A guy like Marion probably won’t even get what Posey got….it was right pass on Posey this offseason once he got the 4th year and we’re going to bear the fruits of that discussion this upcoming offseason, regardless of what people are thinking now.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Uh?
Why would a single year of a MLE contract cost us so much? Because it’s convenient to your argument? The only difference is that we’d have less $7M in the books in 2012 (assuming we didn’t trade Posey for a shorter contract before that).
Huh?
Um…let’s see, with luxury tax penalties, that 7 million dollars becomes 14 millions dollars, which is probably enough to split between a resigned Ray Allen and a newly extended Rajon Rondo.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Geez
This team needs to be paying luxury tax in 2012? And I mean, by not signing Tony Allen alone that would save $10 M. So, worst case scenario, it’s a $4 million difference.
And....I'm confused.
What are we talking about again :)
Seriously, I’m not a big numbers guy, but passing on Posey was about those 4 and 5th years and having payroll flexibility to pay Ray (or Ray’s replacement) and Rondo (and Perk in the next year). TA and Eddie’s contracts were better not only because they represented less overall spending, but because they were only 2 year deals and probably as good as we could have gotten considering what was out there.
I’m pretty sure we’ll be paying the luxury tax as long as we are contenders. Ray’s contract comes off the books in 2010, just when Rondo’s rookie deal will be extended (assuming he takes the QO this summer, with the wink-wink promise that he’ll get the big extension in 2010)…no net savings there, especially if we try to parlay Ray’s contract into something better. Then we have Pierce coming off the books in 2011, as well as Perk, who’s in store for a raise, so I doubt we’ll be anywhere near the luxury threshold, even if Pierce gives us a discount. KG then comes off the books in 2012, and we MIGHT have some wiggle room at that point, assuming Rondo/Perk’s extension wasn’t TOO big and assuming Ray/Paul took hometown discounts to stay. Then maybe KG takes a discount and we’re somewhat near the luxury threshold, assuming Walker/Giddens don’t blow up in the meantime and demand huge extensions…
Guys like GainsvilleCeltic or RoyHobbs, feel free to correct these #s if I’m wrong….
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
What 5th year?
You’re clearly confused, there was no 5th year.
If you believe passing on Posey had anything to do with budgetary restrictions, the difference between what Ainge offered him and what Posey asked was, worst case scenario, slightly less than 14 million dollars (Posey’s salary in 11/12 ´+ luxury tax), If you take out what Tony Allen will cost the team the next two seasons (he wouldn’t stay if Posey had signed) – and that’s 10 million dollars -, the difference would be $4million dollars. That’s the money Ainge saved by not giving Posey that last year and instead signing Tony Allen relatively to the alternative universe where Posey would have accepted his offer. In fact, if the team is bellow the luxury tax threshold in 2012, it didn’t save money at all, quite the opposite. Anyway, are you seriously trying to defend that those 4 million dollars have such an huge impact?
People like to pretend that not signing Posey had a lot to do with salary moves, but most of those arguments would be appropriate if Ainge hasn’t offered Posey a 3 years deal.
Yep, no 5th year--but the confusion rests squarely in your lap
My bad regarding the 5th year.
But where do you get off comparing one year of Posey (plus luxury tax penalty) with TWO years of TA (plus luxury tax penalty) and conclude that the difference of $4 million is ALL that we avoided by not signing Posey to a 4-year deal? You realize the logically inconsistency, right? You realize that years 10-11 AND 11-12 are the really important ones, the ones where Rondo gets paid and we either resign Ray or add someone to replace him with and then in the next season extend Perk and resign Paul? You realize that having Posey’s bloating non-contributing contract on the books at those times would severely impact our ability to make good decisions with Rondo/Ray/Perk/Paul? You realize that TA and Eddie’s contracts only go out 2 years, and thus don’t impact our 10’ or 11’ flexibility? If so, do you then realize that a difference of $4 million (a figure come to by specious reasoning) is not ALL we avoided by not signing Posey and that there were many many other economic considerations factored in, considerations you are conveniently ignoring in your myopic attempt to win an argument.
As far as the 3rd year offer to Posey that somehow invalidates—in your mind—all these economic considerations, you forget the ownership’s willingness to pay for a winner. They were winning to go to that 3rd year (after NO offered it, mind you) because they were willing to bite the bullet and really pay up for an extra season of Posey. They like to win THAT much. But when it comes to that 2nd year, those two years of being really cramped by what they could do in resigning their own free agents and making other moves, it became a deal breaker and they said no. And frankly, it was risky to offer the 3rd year to Posey, given this team’s other salary considerations. As I said at the time, I’m glad Posey didn’t come back—the amount of money he commanded on the open market was not commensurate with his worth to the Cs given the financial makeup of the team as it currently stands. We now have this offseason to sign a player much BETTER than Pose, and someone who will come in with a much LOWER salary than Pose, and someone who will be signed for LESS years than Pose.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Look, I understand your POV
But it’s radically different from Ainge’s. The difference between what he offered Posey and what he got are just too small to have such a devastating effect. Again, Ainge wanted Posey in the books in 10/11.
You're wrong, again
This is Ainge’s view. And I explained why he went to the 3rd year. It’s not about $4 million dollars. That’s wrong mathematically and logically.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Ainge wanted Posey in the books in 10/11. It’s a fact. No rhetoric or accusations can change that.
This is exactly like you guaranteeing that Tony’s jumpshot would “return” this season when he never had one to begin with.
I know your POV is different from Ainge’s: you expressly said that signing Posey even for just a single season would be a mistake and that replacing Posey with Tony Allen would improve the team this season. Don’t try to confuse things now.
Feel free to change 'facts' as the situations changes
I explained why Ainge went to three years (after initially offering two). He was willing to run the risk of salary cap hell for one season in order to win…because the owners want to win that much. The 4th year was the killer…and the fact Ainge was willing to compromise isn’t the argument killer you assume it is…feel free to explain why if you’re so certain…all I keep reading is assertions, not arguments….
I didn’t expressly state that signing Posey to a single season was a ‘mistake,’ I said that what he could command on the open market was not commensurate with what he was worth the Cs, given their salary structure, and so it was wise to pass on him. The 2-year contract initially offered Posey would have been a great contract for the Cs.
You’re the one confusing things with the bogus $4 million dollar claim, which is mathematically inane. I suggest you back off until you revise it…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Uh?
You:
In my opinion, resigning Posey would have been a mistake, even for this season (not to mention to burden his salary would have caused down the line). Replacing Posey with Tony Allen addresses those two potential team weaknesses and our perimeter defense and offensive efficiency on the 2nd unit should be improved this season as a result. While improving those things does not guarantee a championship, I think it puts us in better position than the alternative to pursue one.
It's huh?, Not uh!
I know English is your 2nd language, so here’s a free lesson in some of our weird ways. “Huh?” is something you say when you’re confused, “Uh” is something you say when you’re singing background in a rap video.
I assume you pulled the above quote from some message board conversation from the summertime. If so, good for you, that shows an incredible amount of determination to win an argument. I just wish you’d put that same determination into the real substance of the argument and not some tangential aside.
The bogus $4 million dollar claim, for example, could use a similar amount of determination at this point. The amount TA (or Eddie for that matter) makes in the next 2 years is not germane to the potential cost of Posey’s contract in 10’-11’ and 11’-12’. Each year is a separate case, with individual contingencies. The 14 and 15 million dollar hits (including luxury tax penalties) from Posey’s contract in those years would have definitely negatively impacted our ability to give Rondo/Ray/Perk/Pierce the money they deserve and we would have probably faced some economic as opposed to basketball decisions during those years. I, for one, am glad we can afford to make basketball decisions at this point, and I’d like to run the team in a manner that ensures such autonomy going forward. And you can bet Danny feels the same way.
Now, are you willing to revise the bogus $4 million dollar claim?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because english is my 4th language
I still can’t understand how can you say In my opinion, resigning Posey would have been a mistake, even for this season and I didn’t expressly state that signing Posey to a single season was a ‘mistake,.
On the other hand, you’re good catching typos.
As for this inconsistency of mine
Yes, I said one thing in the summer, and then said the opposite of that one thing today. Big deal. My argument continues to have internal consistency, even if I’ve changed my opinion as to whether I would have brought back Posey for 1 or 2 seasons (if that was even possible, which it wasn’t). Your argument, on the other hand, is an example of fuzzy logic, the kind of number bending guys like Bernie Madoff have been arrested for…
So you can choose to focus on two conflicting statements that I made and that have no real bearing on what we’re discussing; OR you can focus on the inconsistencies of the Bogus $4 million dollar claim. Choose wisely or forever be known as the guy who made the bogus $4 million dollar claim, i.e. the Bernie Madoff of Celticsblog. Your choice.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT ALLOWED
Insult another poster for his nationality or his language skills again, and you’ll be booted. I hope this is clear. If you can’t argue civilly, find another blog.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Understood, Roy
I did use some chippy language and called him the “Bernie Madoff of Celticsblog” if he didn’t straighten out his fuzzy math, but I never insulted his nationality or language skills and I’m not really sure where you got that idea. I did correct his usage of ‘uh,’ in a rather lighthearted manner. It’s okay to correct people, right?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
The posts are clearly getting personal. And no, it’s not really proper to “correct” people when you’re engaged in a spirited debate, especially by saying “I know English isn’t your first language”.
Also, your correction was wrong. “Uh” was perfectly proper there. “Uh” is defined as an interjection “used to indicate hesitation, doubt, or a pause”. That seems context appropriate to me. Regardless, in the future watch the corrections.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Look
if you want to believe that a single season of a MLE contract would have such a huge effect that would stop the team from:
a) re-signing Rondo
b) re-signing Ray
c) sign a FA this off-season
well, it’s your right to hold that belief.
But the idea that the obligation of paying a MLE contract in 2012 (assuming that the player wasn’t traded) would have such a big effect is quite hilarious to me.
Well, I'm glad I could provide a laugh....
But you’re still wrong, but that’s your right too.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
But will you ever explain how a single
season of a MLE contract has such a big effect or not?
How many times can I say it?
Seriously, this is like the 5th time I’ve answered this question. The salary structure of any NBA team is a season-by-season balancing act, which you fail to understand. If you have Posey’s 14 and 15 million dollars (including luxury tax penalty) bloating your salary cap in years 10-11 and 11-12, you’re going to be forced to cut costs in other areas. And it just happens that Rondo’s up for an extension (and probably an 8 million dollar raise in the first year of that extension) and Ray’s contract expires in 10. You’re probably going to tie up 20 million in those two players alone. The next year (summer of 11’), Perk and Paul’s contracts are up and you’re probably going to tie up another 20 million there. So, we’re looking at taking on roughly 40 million dollars in contracts in the summers of 10’ and 11’ (not including the luxury tax), just to keep the starting unit intact (or improve upon the starting unit, if we go another direction with Ray). And, if we’d given Posey the 4 years contract, his contract would be costing us about 15 million (w/out luxury tax penalties) during those last 2 seasons, which is almost the amount it would have taken to bring back Ray/Rondo or Perk/Paul in either 10’ or 11’. So, the question becomes, would you rather commit 15 million (before luxury tax penalties) to James Posey in 10-11’ and 11-12’; OR would you rather have that money available to keep our starting unit intact? It’s an easy discussion, you’re hard-headedness not withstanding.
Lost in this discussion of money is Posey’s worth, which is already in decline and possible would be nil by the time 11’ and 12’ roll around.
So, for the 5th time, that’s how a season of the MLE has such a big effect on this team.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
The $4 Million is a bogus claim
Do you guys even understand math?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I Would Add
And if we signed Posey, we wouldn’t have been able to sign Tony Allen and Eddie House. I know TA hasn’t come thru, but House has and will continue to, especially as we continue to find a better way to make use of his skills.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
I'm okay with this.
Yeah, it means our hole at the 3 is more glaring, but Tony never was a 3 to begin with. It clears the way for a little more Gabe/trade/buy-out pick up, and lets the shooting guard who plays by his own rules (House) be House, and not in his unnatural/unproductive position at the 1.
likeliest scenario
I’ve been saying TA is trading fodder for next season as an expiring contract. If TA is out until the playoffs, this makes it very likely he’s moved after the season.
I really like good TA, but as much as I support him, he’s too inconsistent and too injury prone to be the first swingman off the bench for this team.
high point
on the plus side though, for those of us wanting Walker and Pruitt to get some action, this would be the most likely time to see them get it.
Is Veal back or is he out for a few more games? With Sam traded, TA on the injured list (and possibly Veal), any word on Giddens getting called back from Utah to fill out the 12 man roster?
Huge loss … the date of return is worrying too, TA might not get himself right before the season ends. An out of form TA in the playoffs? That’s scary. He might be done for the season.
It leaves the team without a wing coming off the bench. Lot of pressure on those two rookies, or Pruitt, to get their acts in high gear and play big minutes in big pressure situations.
It’s worrying
I never thought about that
But it may be time to Free Billy. We had success with rookies last year, but they were in the rotation from earlier on in the year. So who knows how it might work out?
no matter how you feel about TA
this definetly hurts the celtics… barring bill walker being a revelation down the stretch of course.
I really don't think this hurts the Celtics at all
It does make it harder to trade him, that’s one way it hurts us. But otherwise, I think that Tony Allen does not belong on the basketball court on this team, and this will most likely ensure that he will not be on the court for the remainder of the season. I would be happier with almost any other player in the league being on the court in TA’s place.
you might be....
but the C’s won’t be and we’ll struggle without his defense and energy…TA is needed for 18!
The Cs are fine without him, he really isn't needed
He played no role in our championship run last year, and the Eddie and Gabe combo at the 1 and 2 positions is better than any combo that includes TA. The worst thing about TA’s play this year is that he hasn’t even been that great on defense. Gabe in my opinion is just as talented as TA on defense, with (more importantly) an offensive game that won’t kill the ball movement of the second unit.
Too bad, again, for Tony
He has intriguing skills but his mental lapses and injuries have kept his value to anyone diminshed. I’m all for more minutes for our own – Pruitt, Walker, even Giddens. Please, no talent dump for a short, short term fix (unless they are convinced there is not enough talent in those three)
Great news...
..for Pruitt and Walker – i’m really hoping that Walker can carve out a 12-15 minute niche for himself over the next 27 games – Pruitt definitely has the oportunity to secure the backup PG spot, though i’m not betting on him…
Terrible news
Who’s going to backup Pierce and Allen during the playoffs?
not tony allen
I dont see how this is a bad thing
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
The Answer Is In The Games Played Since TA's Injury
By changing the rotations to allow Eddie to play his natural position more, Eddie is, in a way, backing up Ray and Pierce. Also, Ray and Pierce are backing each other up as they both take turns with the second unit.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
No, it'll be TA
Unless Danny signs someone else who can fill his spot, like Marbury.
Listen, Giddens/Walker are nice players, have bright futures, but it’s asking a lot for them to come in and hold down TA’s spot while he’s gone. I’d love it if it happened, because we happen to need that right now, but I’m not counting on it. Giddens/Walker will eventually challenge TA for minutes, starting next training camp (if all three are still on the team), but it’s too early to ask them to do it right now. I expect House and Scal will get the extra minutes in the meantime, with Pruitt getting the scraps.
I’d love for Doc to give Walker some PT in the interim while TA’s mending—there’s always a chance he could prove me wrong. I’d love that as Walker brings a needed toughness to the team…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
If Tony Is Out Till The Playoffs
If Tony is out till the playoffs I think he’s done for the year. TA has not done well coming back from injuries. His game gets totally out of synch and I don’t think there will be time during the playoffs to get back to where he is. In addition to his thumb, he will lose leg strength from not playing in games. This will add to his being out of synch. But TA has been so inconsistent that I don’t think this will hurt the C’s as much as we might think. I’ve been waiting for him to show us something, but he’s been a tease from day one and, to me, has not gotten the job done. We’ve done okay without him so far and my guess is we’ll just continue to adjust the rotations and maybe experiment some to get the right mix. If we bring in a player it will not be to make up for TA’s absence.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
It's only a thumb, dude
I’m sure he can keep in cardiovascular shape, lift his legs, and do a lot of basketball activities with the other hand, like free throws and jump shots, dribbling drills, etc. But you’re right, he’ll be out for 2 months and will be rusty coming back. But, still, he’s the only true backup 2 guard on the roster, and he will be needed in certain spots. I have a feeling he’ll be back and play in the playoffs…
Keep in mind, TA’s played his best ball this season coming out of training camp and during the first month of the season (until the ankle sprain). He’s going to be that fresh come playoff time. I wouldn’t count him out yet…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hope You're Right
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
Do you have privy information about his injury?
Recovering from a thumb injury can take more than a strictly two months. It depends on the severity and extension of the ligament disruption.
Everybody knows you’re always overly optimistic about Tony Allen, let’s hope that this time you’re right.
I don’t think one can count on the rookies to play in the post-season.
I only know what the papers say
And they don’t say much. Danny says he hopes to have him back by the playoffs and that’s 2 months away. Most ligament tears in the thumb area take 6-8 weeks, so hoping to have him back by playoff times seems reasonable. But I have no idea the nature of the injury, which ligaments are involved, etc… I’ll be interested to see what they print in the paper tomorrow.
But regardless of the nature of the thumb injury, there’s no reason he can’t keep himself in shape and practice his jumper and ball handling (with the good hand).
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Players need games and contact scrimmages
to fully recover their playing shape. This assuming he’s ready to play in 8 weeks or less.
Understood
But that shouldn’t take more than a week…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 17, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention he doesn't have the best track record coming back from injury
It seems to take him a long time to mentally get back into the game.
if he practices dribbling with one hand while recovering,
maybe he could come back awesome at ball-handling!
Danny is letting us down
Posey is 32 but he was signed for 4 years and he is still worth it. He is everybit as good as last year with us this year and should be the next few years. Those worried about year 4, why be? He is a role player that is in great shape, playing 26 min. or so a game often times 10 min. less than our big 3 at times. Don’t kid yourself, we may very well come up short because Danny turned Mutombo away when he came calling to sign with us, Danny’s replace Posey by committee has been a joke (no JR, little no Walker, Tony irratic and hurt, Scal hurt and limited upside). If we don’t land Marbury and this team comes up short it will most likely be because of the bench issues and Danny needs to be held accountable. Danny waiting like a dog for scraps to fall off the trade/buyout table and that’s no way to go about solidifying a bench in the hope of repeating.
I'd like to see if we could get DeShawn Stevenson
I know a lot folks think he’s a jerk/chump, but he’s a good wing defender for when we go up against the Kobes/Lebrons in the playoffs.
A 3-way with Memphis & Washington works, and you have to think that WAS is lookign to shed some salary.
by Gainesville Celtic on Feb 17, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions
Three years, four years...
Who cares, when we could have won right now. That was the whole point. Win right now. That’s why we signed aging all-stars like KG and Ray Allen. We had a limited window. That’s actually why I wasn’t so thrilled with trading away Big Al, but when I saw that Ainge could actually build a solid bench, starting with Posey, I bought in.
Who cares if we’re in salary cap heck when we have more than one banner to show for it?
I get why Ainge did what he did, I just disagree with it, and felt like it was, ironically enough, a capricious move not to give Posey the extra year.
I never bought into Tony Allen as a sixth man in the same league as Posey. But I’m not saying “I told you so” just cuz he got injured. Them’s is the breaks.
And yes, I think Posey was a bad fit in New Orleans, much as I wanted them to win the West.
We *could* have won right now?
I didn’t realize the season was over already. :)
Jeez, at least wait until after the season before making those kinds of statements.
The window’s longer than you think…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 18, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
These are Boston fans I miss....
It’s feeling like 2007 all over again. Can’t wait for pitchers and catchers to start. It should thin out the crowd.
'We circle all the games' - KG
Fallout from TA injury/ Cassell trade?
Apparently Ainge is planning another masterpiece of a trade (not that it’s likely of course), according to Yahoo:
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