Bosh Won't Resign?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 2, 2009 10:01 AM EST
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PrintInteresting rumor coming out of Toronto today:
Stephen A. Smith of ESPN has reported that Chris Bosh has already informed GM Bryan Colangelo that he will not resign with the team in 2010... Smith thinks that Bosh's name will surface in trade rumors, and he mentions Miami and Dallas as possible teams that may look to trade for him.
I doubt they would actually trade him this soon and I don't think the Celtics could in any way get involved, but it is an interesting rumor. I don't think the Raps want to get cap space in return for Bosh because no big-time free agents would chose Toronto over Miami or another warmer weather spot. Especially if they don't get the chance to play beside someone like Bosh.
Their best hope is to either get a great player to play next to Bosh (they have been looking around) and make him want to stay or trade him for a solid foundation of players that would hopefully become great as a team. But again, Bosh is the kind of guy you build around, not the kind of guy that you trade. Bad news for Raps fans (if true).
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Very bad news for the Raptors. The team will be starting from scratch. It sort of appears that Bosh already stopped giving his best over a month ago- after an incredible start he has come down to earth as he realized that his team isn’t very good. I think getting JO was a horrible move in the wrong direction.
First Boozer
now Bosh. Can’t these guys keep their mouths shut? Doesn’t speaking out like this hurt their trade value when other teams know they have to be moved or their team risks losing them for nothing?
Different
These are 2 different cases. Boozer opened his mouth to the media, which IMO is stupid and disrespectful. Bosh appears to have went and told Colangelo to not leave him in the dark and allow him to have the knowledge to make the best moves going forward, but it leaked somehow.
And Bosh doesn’t have to be moved, the raptors have a year and a half to move him and he is a top level player to build around.
I’d make a trade like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1977319530052171&teams=29282828&te=&cash=
With some adjustments here and there.
That's intriguing...
Darko/Gay/Conley for Bosh… Can Toronto do better? I imagine they’ll try to get a pick or two in any deal. It obviously improves Memphis in the short-term, but doesn’t make them contenders. Would they be players for Bosh in 2010? Interesting that ll the players in that proposed deal have two years left. Hmmm…
interesting
that would make the Grizzlies the same team as the Raptors, and the Raptors the same team as the Grizzlies
A trade makes sense...
Trading Bosh may be the only way to keep him from signing with Cleveland or New York as a free agent. It makes sense to trade him now, both to get some assets and to keep him away from an Eastern Conference rival. They should start trade discussions now, before it appears as though they’re desperate; the closer Bosh is to free agency, the more his trade value goes down.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Trading him doesn't achieve that
He’ll be a FA in 2010 anyway.
Why?
Even if they trade him now, Bosh can play out his contract and sign with wherever he wants. He only has real value to a team that can sign him long term, or a team that wants to unload someone.
But Bosh to Philly for Elton Brand makes sense. Brand would be stuck in Canada until 2012, and he’s from the Buffalo, NY area anyway, which is part of Canada as far as I’m concerned. Also, Brand is a better fit for the Raptors, because Bosh is not really an inside player. You want a guy who commands a double team down low, to open things up for Bargnani and the other 3 point shooters.
I agree
I think this makes some sense for both parties. Less for Toronto though because there is way more uncertainty regarding Brand than Bosh so Philly would need to sweeten the deal. But to get an all-star PF for him, draft pick(s) and other decent young players, and keep him away from pairing with Wade or Lebron for now isn’t bad if he was going to walk anyways.
Bosh for Brand & O'Neal for Marion?
I’m not sure Miami would do the second part of the deal, but it’s reportedly been discussed in some form. Or perhaps they could work out a blockbuster with Miami involving Bosh, Marion, and Beasley?
Real cause for concern
The 2 teams well known to have a lot of salary to move before the deadline are Miami and Cleveland. This could be really bad if Bosh pairs with Wade or Lebron before 2010.
Miami has Beasley, but does Cleveland have the assets to get Bosh? I think Miami HAS to try to get this done. Beasley, Banks, and Dorrell Wright for Bosh? Beasley and Marion for Bosh and Humphries?
Would Toronto consider doing this to the league even if the deal was right? I’m guessing yes since its really not much worse than what Minnesota and Memphis did, except that Bosh is younger than Garnett and Gasol.
Toronto has ZERO motivation to deal with Cleveland. Don’t worry about that. They won’t move Bosh for the sake of dumping salary, especially since at worst case they go into 2010 with a ton of cap room.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 2, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions
right
that was my point about them not needing a salary dump – they can’t get anyone to take their money in an open market
of course, if a 3 team trade happened with Cleveland involved, maybe I could see it, but again, you need someone willing to give Toronto what they need to rebuild for a championship run
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these trades don't make sense
a lot of what i’m seeing here doesn’t make sense… the grizzlies are worse than the raptors, why would bosh go there. also why would he head to cleveland w/ lebron heading out. miami does make sense- attractive place to live and wade/bosh would be beast. other than that, what about a possible amare/bosh matchup in phoenix once they move past nash and their other salaries. My thought is that bosh will only want to go to a contendor (but there should be at least 5 teams that could work).
yes, they don't make sense but for other reasons
Why would the Grizzlies, etc trade anything of value for Bosh when he may leave by the end of next season?
There are various reasons to do this, and as I said adjustments could still be made. A decision like this wont be made lightly and without considering the factors your mention, as valid as they are. The Griz may be worse now, but it doesn’t mean that they’ll be worse next year and on. For one, they’re in quite a better place financially to improve the team. They’ll be big players in the free-agent market next year (though it’s not a great one) and in 2010… having Bosh around improves their chances of landing the big names (as much as they can be improved in Memphis), so that right there is a good motivation for them. The front court of Gasol and Bosh might look quite attractive to them.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 2, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's not my point
I’m pretty sure the Grizzlies would love to have Bosh. But if they traded for Bosh now, all they’d get would be a rental for the next season. So, that won’t improve chances of landing big names and all that.
Very difficult to make a trade with a player like Bosh until he signs an extension.
If with Bosh they manage to land an impact player in 2009, it’ll improve the chances of keeping him in 2010. If he goes, they’ll still be in a good position to acquire max-level talent, so even if Bosh goes it won’t be all that bad if they managed to get someone in 2009 because of him. That’s the risk assesment they have to consider, Bosh would still be an expiring contract next year, so if they don’t like the chances of keeping him, they can still move him for something. I’m sure some contenders would make some decent offers.
To me, it all comes down to wether you believe that Gay is good enough to attract free-agents of interest and if you believe that by having Bosh instead (even if it’s for 1 year) it’ll get you that player you desire. And if that person acquired in 2009 is able to attract better players in 2010 than Gay would’ve. Something along those lines they have to consider.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Anyways, not saying that it would be the correct thing to do… but it might be worth a gamble, it’s something for them to consider. Memphis was simply the first team that came up in my mind and I saw what type of trade could be made and how it could realistically make sense in some way.
by BudweiserCeltic on Feb 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen A. Smith?
Is he a credible source?
Why would Bosh do this? Not leaving Toronto, or being inclined to do that, but to tell Colangelo he’ll be leaving 18 months before the fact. Completely nonsensical.
If true, this is good news for the Raptors – Bosh leaving is probably the only way they won’t throw a max contract at him, grossly overpaying his services in the next 6 years.
Part of me wonders whether Bosh told the Raptors that he won’t sign an EXTENSION before 2010, and that Steven A. got the story wrong.
In any case, I can’t imagine teams wanting to part with TOO much talent unless Bosh agrees to an extension as part of the trade (like KG signing the extension right as the trade here went down). Don’t know how those things work, timing-wise.
This may also be Bosh putting some not-too-subtle pressure on management to get some talent alongside him – Bosh is probably the least well-known of the really GOOD young players in the league, partly from being in Toronto but mostly because the Raptors have been so medicore.
I love to post trade ideas...
..even when I´m not good at it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1767217732411977&teams=2828283&te=&cash=
+ Picks
Now that`s scary.
Dang
That trade helps both teams, plus it puts Bosh closer to his family in Dallas.
by KCattheStripe on Feb 2, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
It gives them a better fit at the 4 next to Bargs and it gives them a young talented three that they’ve been looking for. If they trade JO it could work out very well for the Raps. If I’m the Hornets I like the CP3/Bosh/ Chandler group.
by KCattheStripe on Feb 3, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
the amare for bosh thing makes the most sense IMO. Bosh plays more away from the hoop, and Amare is a known to Colangelo andf can get down low to take pressure off the 3pt shooters. He’s also fine playing center.
Not sure where Kapono stock is these days, but if TOR could dump his salary at the same time (probably need a three player deal.)
Speaking of Toronto...
There have been rumors about Anthony Parker, who is also a free agent at the end of the year. Now there’s a guy I’d like to see the Celtics get.
2010 free agency is going to be insane. Are all these guys going to sign with NY?
Seriously, what a bunch of whiners. They all want franchise-player money, but not the responsibility or accountability that goes with it. Other than Wall Street CEOs, these are the most coddled, overpaid, out-of-touch people in America.
by Cousin It on Feb 2, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is why I continue my "Free Cousin It!" campaign
It’s simply unjust that we only hear from him once every few days.
Agree with D Dub – well done CI.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Feb 2, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
The numbers are perfect.
According to the ESPN Trade Machine, Bosh for Amare works straight up. Then you can throw in guys like Kapono and Lopez, if so desired. Maybe Toronto can get a pick, too.
Of course
I absolutely believe in BC. Perhaps Bosh will leave, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s thinking about leaving, but his agent would never allow him to tell Colangelo now that he’s leaving in 2 years. Just bizarre, not the most believable story.
not shocking
on any level – if you believe Steven A or not, it only makes sense for all parties to deny it
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