Im not the type that cares too much about player personalities or whatever. If the can make the team better, thats all I care about and Im glad thats all the Celtics management cares about as well.
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one things for sure about these two signings, theyr taking all the attention off kg….but whats the status with him?

Looking at the replay, that was a scary moment for Scal.

Wasn’t Marbury surrounded by scrubs in recent years? Look at how Randy Moss and Corey Dillon were able to put their issues aside for the sake of their team when they were surrounded by great teammates and were members of a great team and organization.

How can Marbury expect to act up and not expect to see the consequences of it? I mean, he’s surrounded by 3 future hall of famers who sacrafice their games each and every night for the sake of the team.

I assure you, GPA are not going to stand for any of his antics — which is why I’m confident we won’t be seeing them.

I truly think he’s going to be on his best behavior, not only because he HAS to in order to fit in with the team, but also because he’s playing for a contract next season.

The problem with the knicks was isiah and the team he put together. A horrible GM and an even more horrible coach, even larry brown turned tail and ran at that mess. Marbury certainly didn’t help, but he didn’t cause that mess either. I think actually the whole situation sort of drove him nuts

- In the end, I think Stephon will be sitting on the bench a lot. That’s Doc’s way. He’ll only see real time, maybe later, if he shows us something in the few minutes he gets here and there.
- Steph is a freeroll for us. Not exactly an earth-shattering event. He’s just a another bench backup, who happens to have great potential.
- Steph CANNOT negatively influence this team in the locker room or media. He’s not important enough. Just a last-minute freeroll from our pov.
- In his recent scrap with the Knicks, I think the Knicks were the major culprits. He had a signed contract, and expected it to be honored. He came ready to play. Nothing wrong with any of that, including his insistence on full payment…. a deal’s a deal.

This is definitely a bargain with the devil. we won’t know what the price is until June, if not later. Signing Marbury is Dan and Doc’s way of saying we can’t win without him.

Nice article, professor.

Randy Moss and Corey Dillon played for an unequivocal in-charge coach and an unequivocal in-charge team leader. I would contend that the C’s have sort-of a team leader in Garnett who’s influence IMHO is vastly overrated. Rivers has never been successful managing even half the malcontent that this scumball is.

This was a horribly unnecessary gamble by Ainge.

How can Marbury expect to act up and not expect to see the consequences of it?

What consequences? Why does it matter to Marbury? It never has. His consequences for being a horrible malcontent and refusing to play for a player’s coach was to make 20 million dollars. His pressence is a hideous influence on our team’s youth.

If we get a Hawks-caliber team in the first round we’re toast. We’re probably out in the first round anyway, The damage this idiot does to teams can’t be reversed instantly by simply erradicating him.

The difference between this idiot and Cassell is that Cassell, in spite of his weirdness, focused like a laser beam in crunch time. Marbury is focused on the idiot he sees in the mirror.

No consequences to his acting up?…. Are you kidding? How about the rest of his career? How about 30-40 million bucks? That’s how much he could make going forward IF AND ONLY IF he does well in Boston this season. If he screws up, he loses all that and the rest of his career.

the Knicks are paying him to leave with the knowledge that he will likely go to a rival team. Enough said.

done deal.

How about in the ECF before game one, Steph tells reporters that he guarantees a series win?

Tony Allen is total nuts but it seems under control in Boston. If you put Tony on The Knicks and you’d have quite a show. Tony thinks he’s better than he is. Tony has done bone headed things on and off the court since he’s been here. Marbury at least has talent and can ball.

I’ve been on this bandwagon since November. I’ve been hoping for him to be waived and join the team all year (along with Joe Smith). Only time will tell if it was a good decision or not, if he clears waivers and signs with the C’s.

I just have complete confidence in Danny and the Big 3. If the Big 3 ddid not want him, then he wouldn’t be coming. If the Big 3 want him then they have the confidence that this is going to work and that Marbury’s head will be on straight.

All of the doom and gloomers and the national sportswriters just don’t have the confidence in the Big 3 that I do.

I know it’s probably hard to read this from up on that high horse of yours, but get over it. Marbury may be a head case and have his flaws, but he’s not a terrible person, so it shouldn’t be that bitter to root for him. It’s not as if we traded for Kobe, an egomaniacal phony once accused of rape. Steph is a great player who has been selfish, but hopefully sees the closing window. You move on if you don’t like the guy. I’m a Jet fan and I couldn’t stand Brett Favre, didn’t want him, but I wasn’t going to stop rooting for my team. I got over it and embraced him (though I’m back to disliking him now).

This is a potentially a pickup that will make the difference between 17 and 18 banners for the Celtics, and if you can’t get excited about that, you’re just being petty.

I miss Milt Palacio.

I’d make it real simple for him.

When he’s out with the second unit, he gets +2 for each team defensive stop, +2 for each steal, +2 for each assist, +1 for a rebound, -2 for a turnover, and points are points. Then compare his contribution per minute to the contribution per minute for anyone else at backup point (e.g. Pruitt). This does three things. It makes it a competition, so it’s seen as fair by all the players. He’s got to earn his minutes, and not simply walk in and dislodge players that have been on the team all year. It provides a way of evaluating his performance. And most importantly, it shows him very clearly what Celtic basketball is, and how the team wants him to play.

By emphasizing defense, assists and ball control (no turnovers) as much as points, it makes it very clear to him what he should be doing on the floor. It does no good to put up 10 points, if you give up 12 on defense, turn the ball over and don’t get the other guys involved.

If you make it simple for him, he can perform, and he’ll know he’s doing a good job. And if he’s not doing a good job, and you yank him out, he’ll know why.

He needs to learn how to contribute to a championship team, and conform his game accordingly. The Celtics do not, and should not, conform in any way to accommodate him.

It isn’t going to work. Take off the rose colored glasses.

in my opinion would be if he comes in and is the model citizen, plays within the team concept—and very well—- and then pulls a M Blount on us after he gets DA to sign him next year to a more lucrative contract. Then you’re stuck with him! First things first I guess. That’s alot of IF’S to line up.
This year is low risk, high reward!

This is the problem I have with the prefered line of reasoning around here.

“If it doesn’t work, we can just cut him”

Is it really that easy? Or is Steff going to push buttons until he finds the ‘cut threshold’, and dance around it for the rest of the season while we all viciously debate the ‘do we’ or ’don’t we’. Because that what he has bascily done at all of NBA stops. Meanwhile, team chemistry gets shot as the Steff Drama becomes bigger than the team and we are stuck choosing between that backup pg we need and fixing ubuntu b/c the other 11 guys on the team are playing frustrated. This is anything but a Low Risk signing. It could end up ending this potential dynasty real quick.

Shoulda just resigned Cassell.

Let me be clear. It has nothing to do with his character. He could be a model citizen and it still wouldn’t work.

He’s not the right player. Too selfish and too weak defensively. He doesn’t know how to play on a good team. Against Cleveland he won’t stop penetration by players like West and Gibson, and he’ll be late closing out at the three point line. He will look to his own offense first. The ball will stick in his hands.

We’d be better off with Gabe Pruitt, who stops penetration as well as anyone and who is a better perimiter shooter than Marbury.

This is something I posted elsewhere, after someone said that talent wins games, not character:

I think character matters a lot. I think it wins championships. I think that was the main difference between the Celtics and the Lakers last year.

The Lakers had more talent, some would say MUCH more talent, particularly on the bench. So why did they lose? Character. When push came to shove, when it came down to calling up your last ounce of energy, the will to overcome tremendous adversity and pull a win out of the jaws of total defeat (talking game 4 here) – the Cs had it and the Lakers did not. I lay that down to character. So yes, it matters. A lot.

But this does not prevent the Marbury experiment from working, possibly spectacularly. Steph is a nutjob for sure, but not more so than KG. (Wait, don’t pounce yet!) What I mean is: not more in the AMOUNT of nuttiness. The TYPE of nuttiness has been very different – much worse – in Steph, obviously. KG is nutty in the best way: super-passionate, extremely committed, highly verbal (ahem), single-minded, tears to frothing-at-the-mouth nutty. Steph in the past has been nutty with over-the-top self-absorption, overweening pride and narcissism. Couldn’t be more opposite in type, but they are still both nutty.

Stephon could turn into KG. He has the passion and the fire inside. And he now has the most motivating circumstances imaginable — the chance to win a ring, possibly make another, oh, $40 million? in the rest of his career, redeem his extremely negative rep, and show the Knicks what a bunch of a**holes they are (which, btw, they are).

If Steph responds to all that motivation by just doing the best job he can in a workmanlike way, it will help us a LOT. If he becomes another KG, i.e., if he bends his passion and nuttiness away from himself and directs it at winning – a la KG – then the results could be really spectacular.

And anyway, it’s a freeroll for us.

I think all of this fretting and worrying is misplaced. He’s going to help our bench big time and that’s the beginning, middle and end of that story. If he becomes a distraction or doesn’t fit in then he’s gone- simple as that.

i agree with stevie w.— celtics fan first with lots of doubts. if he’s here, give him the chance. if he dubs it, we have gabe and eddie and hopefully, tony and we make do with what we already have, which is not too bad. doubts and his history scare me. logic says he’ll do the smart thing and join ubuntu. if not, he’s toast. i remember bad news barnes and vinnie the relapser so there is a history of pain here to offset green optimism. danny if he bites and doc have some work cut out for them. they’re paid well for it. it feels dim but not desperate.

Randy Moss played on good teams in Minnesota, playoffs teams. He was always a winner. As several others have noted, Marbury quickly wore out his welcome on at least four NBA teams, each of which improved rapidly as soon as he left. He has NEVER been on a winning team in the NBA.

I have the same problem with other guys who put of good stats but lose, e.g. Jason Richardson (so how’s that working out in Phoenix?) or Corey Maggettee.

If Ainge and Rivers hand the keys to the second unit bus to Marbury, we’ll be watching Kobe and LeBron in the finals.

can we put this into perspective??? He has been bought out, and will probably will sign with the C’s, but he’s not here yet. You all are killing each other over something that hasn’t happened. When it does, deal with it! What’s done is done. Why can’t we just wait to see what happens and if he does sign, see how he plays. Some of you are ready to burn him at the stake and he’s not even here yet.

 I seem to recall someone named Ricky Davis who had a checkered past coming to the C’s. We were much worse then with only one future HOF on the roster and he managed to behave.

Looking at it from my point of view…we are taking very little risk financially and stand to benefit tons from his basketball ability. I know this guy has been crazy in the past, but who really thinks he will come in here like he owns the place and screw this up?? Especially with GPA riding his a$$ every second. Would you rather have House and Gabe or House and Marbury running our second unit? Gabe just isn’t ready. He can learn from Marbury because, like it or not, he is a great player with great skills. Next year when Marbury is gone, Gabe will be better for it and will be ready to contribute.

In short…can’t we all just get along?? :-)

Sure, Ricky Davis behaved— but how did the team do?

I smell number 18

Backup pg was one of our main weaknesses, bringing the ball up. We have solved that problem now. I think teams are scared now, cavs probably should have made a trade before the deadline.

Steve….as always, spot on and informative.

Danny picks up Moore and now Starbury, he should try to pickup the new free agent Megan Fox, hes a smooth operator.

Marbury will come here with a clean slate in the eyes of Danny, Doc and his new teammates. I hope the fans and media also give him a clean slate. The ball is totally in his court to succeed for the TEAM and for himself. We have nothing to lose in making this deal. In addition, I’m sure Danny has done his due diligence in investigating Marbury, the person. Danny has the ability to look thru alot of the media crap and make his own decisions on a person. If Marbury is as bad as he’s made out to be I don’t think Danny would bring him here. For purposes of full disclosure I was totally against Marbury coming here. To demonstrate how good my judgment is I was totally against a one for one trade of Al Jefferson for KG. (But I still love Al and hope he recovers well from his injury).