Not Enough
by Jeff Clark on Feb 5, 2009 11:14 PM EST
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There's no shame in the way this team played, but it still hurts. Celtics fall in overtime.
- Pierce once again played fantastic clutch defense on Kobe. Even the shots he hit were under intense pressure.
- Hand it to the Lakers defense. They've really, really improved. We missed shots in the 2nd quarter that we usually hit, but they got us out of our offensive flow quite a bit tonight.
- Nice games by House and Powe off the bench.
- Hate to have to resort to Big Baby shooting jumpers in the final minutes of overtime. He's hitting that shot more, but obviously not the best option. Again, credit the Laker D for forcing that upon us.
- Somebody woke up the corpse of Lamar Odom. Not a good thing.
- Solid game by Gasol as well. Shot right over Powe and Baby. This is why we need a reliable backup center with size.
- Nice all around game by Rondo. Constantly attacked the rim and dished out 12 assists. Only 2 turnovers.
- One thing that kept us in the game: Lakers were 17-29 from the line (58.6%)
- I can't blame the loss on the refs, but they weren't very good tonight on either side. Inconsistent and inaccurate all night long.
- Losing KG (yes, on a really cheap call) was obviously a huge blow. But the C's still almost pulled it off.
All in all this was a classic Celtics/Lakers game. It was hard fought, chippy (without being over the top), back and forth, and dramatic. It just didn't end the way we wanted it to.
See you in the Finals. We'll be ready.
| Boston | |||||||||||||||
| Starters | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| R. Allen | G | 46:46 | 9-21 | 3-9 | 1-1 | +6 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 22 |
| R. Rondo | G | 36:41 | 7-16 | 0-0 | 2-2 | -1 | 2 | 8 | 12 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 16 |
| K. Perkins | C | 34:36 | 1-3 | 0-0 | 2-2 | -4 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 4 |
| P. Pierce | F | 45:01 | 5-13 | 1-3 | 10-13 | -9 | 0 | 8 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 21 |
| K. Garnett | F | 33:19 | 7-12 | 0-0 | 2-2 | +9 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 16 |
| Bench | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| G. Davis | 21:35 | 1-8 | 0-0 | 0-0 | -13 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | |
| E. House | 20:15 | 6-10 | 4-6 | 0-0 | +6 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 16 | |
| L. Powe | 15:49 | 5-7 | 0-0 | 0-0 | +2 | 5 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 10 | |
| T. Allen | 10:56 | 1-3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | -1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |
| Totals | 42-93 | 8-18 | 17-20 | 12 | 47 | 26 | 16 | 8 | 8 | 3 | 28 | 109 | |||
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House and Powe Out!!
Can’t believe Doc pulled House and Powe out, esp when House was red hot. He was 4 – 6 for 3 pointers!! He was pulled in the 4th, and not even put in OT until last 7 sec. Why would you keep House on bench, when he was hitting more 3s then any other C and is a great clutch player. Can’t believe you wouldn’t put out your best shooters, with KG fouled out. Leaving in Baby (1-8) and Perk (1-3) who both were stone cold, and leaving House (10-16) on bench is baffling. Just don’t understand the reasoning. Why would Doc do that in OT??
thanks for leaving Big Baby out there
So glad he can hit a wide open shot, because his PATHETIC performance tonight garnered ZERO respect from the Lakers D.
Not that we can pin this loss on him, but he gets absolutely no love from me right now
come on
shouldnt be too hard on him… pointing fingers is no use and in fact there is no way he could repy on his jump shots.. his hustle helped the team got to OT
He did have that good hustle play, but I won’t even give him credit on that late jump shot he did make only because he missed 7 jump shots before making that one. That was his one and only field goal in the entire game! But he just kept shooting it….he wasn’t even open most of the time!
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we MUST get rid of the baby
i agree the baby cost us another loss..when is doc and danny gonna get it in their heads..baby sux..
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
hmmm…garnett fouled out in 33 minutes of , thats why BBD is out there…just because powe had some garbage buckets and hustle early in the game doesnt mean he wouldve been better out there at the end, as a matter of fact i know he wouldnt have been.
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Don't blame Big Baby
He was cold and never should have taken that shot. He had to take it because the Lakers left him and only him open. He’s a very physical player who plays like he has something to prove. His problem is he hasn’t really proved it yet. He’s had a couple decent games off the bench as of late and his hustle got the C’s into OT but he should not be in the game in that situation. This was the biggest game of the regular season and BBD who is a physical player but not a scorer was in. Come on Doc. Leon Powe is just as physical and he can and will score. Bad move Doc.
by thedestroya1120 on Feb 6, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I cant...
I cant deal with this. I dont even know what to say. I have soo much to say, but my mind is going crazy right now. I hate the refs who officiated tonight… I am at a loss of words… Will be off of any sports websites for a wile…
Tough?
I’ll admit, I rooted for the Lakeshow in this one … but I have this to say …
The Celtics won last year because of their reputation as the “tough” team. You can’t play “tough” if you’re going to complain about the refs if you lose. TNT/ESPN/ESPNEWS analysts all agreed that Allen flopped at the end … obviously if he had made it, you wouldn’t be complaining about the calls.
Personally, I like it when the refs stay out of the game. Let the players decide it. Obviously, they were needed to get in between Rondo and Kobe and Lamar and KG. But let the chippiness get to a certain point before butting in …
flopped?
give me a break. It was not a foul, but there indeed was some contact that bothered him. Allen does not throw up an airball like that with no contact. But again, no foul.
Just don’t come up with the word FLOP being used on TV, please.
“Personally, I like it when the refs stay out of the game. Let the players decide it”
…. rrriiight. So the KG foul just tells you that. The ref just wanted the players to PLAY it out, and not SIT it out. Are you being ironic or something? I’m not getting it you see…
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Third-tier refs
The Celtics did not win last year because of their “reputation” as a tough team. They won because they PROVED to be a tough team. The two best teams in the NBA were in the finals last year and the best and toughest team clearly won- against virtually the same lakers lineup that is giving them a run for their money this year.
If you wanna talk flop, let’s talk about Fisher’s flop that caused KG to foul out of the game…That’s the one the ref’s blew. As a ref you have to set a standard and be consistent the whole game. If they’re gonna call that a foul on KG, which it clearly wasn’t; it was a foul on Gasol and a flop on Fisher, then they need to call that a foul on Fisher at the end. I don’t think a foul should have been called at the end, but if you’re going to let the players decide the game, then you need to do so and be consistent. It needs to go both ways. You don’t give the away team the benefit of the doubt. We lost the game because KG fouled out with 4 mins left in the 4th quarter- that’s where the refs blew the call.
by thedestroya1120 on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Can't blame the refs
The Celtics did not deserve to win that game
by blazingarrow on Feb 5, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
im not soley
blaming the refs.. we did play HORRIBLE.. we didnt even play like the Celtics I know… but the refs didnt help. They hindered us. KG and his fouling out. And Odom getting his 5th foul, and then taking it away? Ray being fouled at the end, but no call??
....but there is shame
…in the way this was officiated. Absolutely disgusting.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
the refs were pathetic.
In ot, PP was hammered, Ray was fouled before the shot, the lakers were grabbing on the loose balls in overtime. not mention what had to be a purposeful fouling out of kg. 2nd game of the year he fouls out.
funny huh, in a key LA game? the only game he gets 5 fouls in is the cle game. funny huh?
funny??
I just think we are just being scr3^^3@ and set up for the same come playoffs. stern wants kobe/bron…doesn’t matter we are better,
poor decisions by doc to play baby over a small(house) lineup or a poorer passing(powe) lineup…whatever…we still need a long big. We win the game with posey. we don’t win it with his team. we at least need a longer big
You sure can blame this on the refs...
Seriously, there were terrible. They tried to ‘tone down the game’ in the 3rd quarter, and to them it meant putting us in the bonus with 6 minutes left. KG’s 6th was a travesty. He got fouled twice, reached for the ball, and then Fisher flops and that’s the foul they call. And then it seemed like we got 3 or 4 ‘questionable’ at the end of the 4th or in overtime, probably as make ups to KG’s 6th. You know what? It didn’t bring him back. Refs are so stupid like that. Either call Odom for the hitting KG’s arm, or it’s a no-call.
Meanwhile, in the midst of KG fouling out, Reggie Miller goes on and on about how great a job Fisher did selling the foul, only to, about 2 minutes later, chastise the refs for a ticky-tack Laker foul that led to 2 free throws for Paul. What a d-bag. Seriously, the only time the TNT guys mentioned the officiating was when they thought the Lakers had been shafted by the officials. When it happened to us, Doug Collins just prattled on about something obvious…or they showed a Kobe highlight.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 6, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
That 6th foul on KG was an out-and-out DISGRACE.
Other people still think this (http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/2/5/750281/i-accuse) is ludicrous?
totally agree with you on the KG foul call. THAT one was just…. unbelievable.
I’m not going to complain about the refs regarding other calls because as Celtics fans it’s harder to notice the calls the Lakers didn’t get, but we do see more easily the calls we didn’t get. That happens to every fan and we know it. Would have to watch the game again more calmed you know…
Other than that, very hard fought game, intense, to the wire. I hated BBD shooting jumpshots like a mad man. On another night, we make at least one of the two chances we had to win this game (regulation and OT). This game doesn’t send a huge message. They won at our place, but it’s only one game. Long way to go until playoffs. We can still get home court advantage to end the season, and that’s the real key….
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I always thought commissioner Stern was a Knick fan. When did he switch. How can a team actually go a whole quarter and an overtime without getting into the bonus? What a joke the officials are.
I didn’t think Ray was fouled on the last shot, but he was ridden the entire cut by Fisher. Unbelievable.
Yes you can blame the refs
Just an awful job by the refs. The play they fouled Garnett out on should’ve been a foul on Gasol. If you DVR’d it watch the replay. What a joke.
I agree, Ray was fouled.
Refs and Baby
Glen and the Refs did this, Garnett did not foul Fisher at the end of regulation and Fisher did foul Ray at the end of OT.
Was the Garnett foul a cheap one yes. Did Pierce get a cheap one the next time down to make up for it? Yes. Announcers even mentioned how he can’t call that foul.
Pierce was holding Kobes Jersey on his cuts try and look at this game threw something other then green tinted glasses and you wont be blaming the refs. Calls and no calls went both ways.
You can't have a normal foul "make up for it"
When Garnett was fouled out on the play.
by The Last Train on Feb 5, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
The difference being that Garnett got fouled out on that cheap call.
by BadNewsBarnes on Feb 5, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
bonus
How exactly do you then explain that the Lakers were in the bonus for the last few minutes of regulation and overtime, when the Celts never got to the bonus? I agree there are lots of off the ball fouls that are not called both ways, but when a guy has the ball trying to get off a shot, a foul needs to be called. Look at the free throw disparity. If roles were reversed and you had your purple sunglasses on you would be complaining as well.
Try learning the difference between ‘threw’ and ‘through’:
“threw something other then green tinted glasses,”
by BadNewsBarnes on Feb 5, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
great response
I guess this means you have no facts to back up your assertion that the officials called the game even.
We didnt play good, we were peaking a couple weeks ago and it’s been spiraling the other way gradually…this game really couldnt have come at a worse time, and we simply did not execute, did not make big plays at big moments, the lakers getting more calls on our homecourt didnt exactly help and neither did KG fouling out on a cheap cheap call…Pierces offense was just not there tonight. which was dissapointing…
Props to E house and Powe, who had more energy than anyone on our team
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 5, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions
Terrible call
fouling out KG!
The only three guys who shot well didn’t our couldn’t play in overtime (KG, Powe, House). PP and BB in particular didn’t have good games.
Another case in point
…per the “I Accuse” post. Yes, our offense sucked. Yes, Doc’s calls sucked. Yes, his lineups were unfathomable. And yes Pierce blew key free throws. But we still win this game with any kind of reasonable officiating. I don’t know anymore…. It will be very hard to repeat this year if the league and it’s corrupt bunch of blind refs are out to get us, as it appears they are.
I’m giving it until the end of the season. If this BS goes on in the playoffs, I’m done with the NBA. It’ll hurt, but I can’t invest this much emotion into something and then have it stolen repeatedly.
your right. its that simple. stern is a egotistcal maniac and corrupt man. we have to be hat much better
and we need some luck. we got some with the bynum injury but we need hc, we need cle to be off somehow and we need a big trade or solid fa pickup
Forgot to mention
Who the real MVP of this game was: David Stern
So I guess if you lose it must be a conspiracy against your team.
Makes perfect sense.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
easy, don't troll
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
I do blame the refs
KG fouls out, while Gasol has 1 foul? C´mon…
I understand you guys want to be classy, but this was a slap in the face by the refs, imo.
Would you have complained if it had gone the other way?
Gasol fouls out, but KG only gets one foul? Didn’t think so. You’d say that Laker fans are whiners.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
no
we would probably justify the win just like you
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
What´s your point?
Stop crying when the refs destroy your team?
The thing is, it didn´t go the other way…
Lakers wont get these calls in cleveland, book it
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 5, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions
Oh please
quit with the conspiracy theories.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Trolling?
I think he was trolling. Thinking the NBA has something against the Celtics is ridiculous.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
3, 2, 1...
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
Yeah, the last 20 years are not a big enough sample to judge that, hm?
No cap relief for a franchise that loses two players because of death, for example?
I´m not saying the league or Stern has something against the refs, I say the guys who officiated tonight´s game have something against them…and I guess this something is money…
Ok thats your prerogative.
I don’t agree. You guys won the title last year and are a historic franchise, I think the NBA wants you to win because it makes them more money.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Conspriacy theories? no, you just arent going to get a game called like you did tonight in cleveland, period…you should be happy with the officiating kid, you shot 9 more free throws in our building, KG fouled out and at least 3 of them were ticky-tack…im just saying, there is absolutely no way you’re going into the kings building and getting a game called like that, mark it down
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Lakers fan... coming in peace.
I don’t see how you can complain so much about the refs. You guys got lots of calls, just as we did. The foul-out on KG was awful, but there’s no way they should have called a foul on Fisher at the end of the game. Put yourself in the ref’s shoes. The player gets a clean shot off, but you’re going to call a little reach in to decide the game? No, nobody calls that for any team. The refs are not out to get you guys. It was a great, physical game, and both teams had gotten away with all sorts of hacks. I’m sorry, but that was a good call.
Good luck guys, hopefully we’ll see you again in the finals.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions
honestly I agree
I don’t think the refs are bright enough to work in a conspiracy against us
they just were not very good
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
Incompetence is not an excuse
I don’t think they had an agenda. But I would rather the Celtics lost because of the play on the court, not some doodz flawed interpretation of that action.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
But it was flawed for both sides.
Have you ever tried reffing a game? Its not easy.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying it was 100%, equally flawed for both sides.
Really?
How many of their all-stars fouled out on fouls that should have gone the other way?
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
There were plenty of bad fouls going both ways.
None of the Lakers put themselves in that tough position by getting 5 fouls in the first place. If you get 5 fouls there is always a chance you foul out on a ticky-tack call. Its no different here. Bad call, but thats what happens.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Odom did have 5 until they changed their minds and took it away.
by BadNewsBarnes on Feb 5, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Was it not a foul on Pau first?
Yes there were bad calls for the Lakers too. However, when a game is played between two very good teams, any bad call is magnified. The KG foul, and Kobe’s chop into Pierce’s chest in OT that was not called were two huge calls that went the Lakers way.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
I don't know who it was on first.
There will always be some bad calls though, I don’t think this situation was any worse than normal.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
besides the ridiculous 5th foul on KG
that missed call on Kobe was the only one that really stood out to me. That was ridiculous. And it really hurt later giving the Lakers a “foul to give” at the end of overtime.
yes I have
and it isn’t easy, but professionals should be at least consistently bad or good, they were neither
again, we didn’t lose because of the refs, but it was a factor
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
Agree, there were calls both ways but the KG call, unlike the others, was a game changer. I believe we win that game if they didn’t blow that call.
by BadNewsBarnes on Feb 5, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
It was a big call, no doubt.
Although he may have fouled out later anyways. We’ll never know.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, Fisher slides under Rondo, and you want a no call? And you weren’t in the penalty. How the hell do you compare that to a RIDICULOUS sixth foul on KG?
I didn't say that shouldn't have been a foul. It was.
And the KG foul was ridiculous. That doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of other fouls the Celtics got away with.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 5, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
backing off parts
You are right that no one will get that call at the end of a game. However, refs have traditionally given a call or two to the home team in the NBA and all leagues. That certainly didn’t happen tonight, if you look at the free throw disparity and bonus situation in the end game. The Stern comment I threw out before was meant to be fun.
A lot o stuff. Very tight and intense game overall. Both teams neutralized each other in a big way. Sad thing was that the refs had to take a part in it with the kg 6th foul. Yes, LA played better defense than last year but that doesn’t mean big baby has to shoot it every time he get’s it (notice how i wrote “every time he get’s it”, not “every time he is open”). I hated BBD the entire game! Until that last shot he DID make, he was 0-7 for the game, I could bet all of them far away jumpshots… argh I was just going nuts.
Anyway, tough loss but the game could have gone either way. Just a shame it was for them this time.
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All Doc's fault
Doc’s fault for that line up at the end. He pulls out Eddie and Powe who were on fire to put in an ice cold Perkins and Big baby who was 0-5 coming in. Poor coaching if anything ruined this game, pat yourself on the back Doc, your a buffoon who is retarded at knowing who to play when it matters.
Terribe damn game
We sucked. Doc sucked. And the Lakers sucked too. Everything sucked about this game, even before we lost. But even so, as badly as we played (esp offense), we win with any kind of reasonable officiating. My love/hate thing with the NBA is rapidly turning to the hate side.
oh and
how did the celtics get hosed if they lakers were supposedly playing aggresive? see the nba’s fixed when was the last time kg fouled out of a game? if kg was in there the game wouldve been over at 2 minutes in the fourth
Bablue is right
The game was very suspenseful and almost made me think of the 80’s duals (for a split second) it shouldn’t be a “friendly” rivalry, it’s Lakers-Celtics it’s not supposed to have rainbows and smileys and hugging people wanting to keep the world clean and cuss free!. Disgusting result in the end, but we’ll know who the real champion is in June, we’ll see you in the finals Lakers. Lebron, Dwight, or that schmuck Bibby aren’t getting in our way there.
step back from the ledge folks
it was a very good game
the Celtics didn’t play badly, the Lakers played just a little better
and the refs aren’t out to get us, they just aren’t very good
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
do you seriously think that?? Kg gets 6 fouls in 32 minutes and gasol, hitting the boards hard gets 1 in 10 more minutes? is that how it was? and kg got 5 fouls in cle too and those are the 2 of 3 games he got 5 or more fouls? but its just the refs aren’t good, not that they lean against him at times like that?
i don’t agree
this is an old story in the league. we have to overcome them. red used to say its us against the world and it is the same now. we have to win anyway
did you think that gasol to LA trade seemed uuuuuhmmm, normal??? yeah funny stuff. i didn’t think it was normal. the league didn’t stop it…we won anyway…and we have to somehow do it again this year
Leon Wood
might be out to get the Celtics. Do him and Doc have a history? Because we always seems to have a problem with that guy.
Well, Tommy Hates the Guy
And there is probably something going on with Doc Rivers too. Doc never says anything about the officiating, I mean nothing, and after the game he really criticized the way the game was called. Nothing earth-shattering, but he said Fisher fouled Ray on the last shot and that the refs did a bad job controlling the game. He also said the Cs were retaliating all night and that Lakers would hit and elbow us first and we’d retaliate with another elbow and they’d catch the second and that while we shouldn’t retaliate with elbows the refs should also call that first foul. In other words, the Lakers hit us first and the refs did little to stop it until we hit back.
Personally, I don’t think we’ll make that same mistake next game.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 6, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wish I could think of something other than the refs...
My opinion of the Christmas game was that if it was played in Boston the Cs would have won. So here I was expecting the Cs to get their calls tonight, but it just didn’t happen. I keep thinking about how the Lakers kept on getting these crazy continuation calls.
Anyway, I’m not going to cry conspiracy, but the refs who called the game in LA were clearly affected by the home crowd and the refs who called the game tonight seemed determined to give an FU to the crowd.
Fouling out Garnett was incredible. I’d like to see Bryant get fouled out the next time the Cs play in LA…
Alot of whining and conspiracy theories goes around after an emotional loss. Funny same thing happened when the Lakers lost the finals. It wasn’t too egregious and the Celtics could have won if not for Pierce’s missed FTs.
Sounds like the Lakers wanted this one BAD
but it’s disappointing that Gasol only got called for 1 foul whereas Garnett fouled out on a controversial call.
i’m sure most of us remember the forearm Gasol gave KG towards the end of the Chistmas game, a cheap shot if i’ve ever seen one.
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Feb 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions
see how many responses we have after a loss
I wonder where all these people were when we were winning… thats sad to see really…
anyway about the game… KG’s last foul was CHEAP and should have been fouled a second earlier… but cant blame the ref on the loss… missed free throws by pierce anyone?
I cant remember how many times i have raise this concern but WE NEED A BACK UP BIG MAN!!! our back up frontcourt is too small for great teams like the cavs and the lakers!! PLEASE DANNY do something PLEASE!!!
yes, but why are Laker fans here?
i think it’s astonishing that, after a win, Laker fans come here to argue rather than enjoying the win
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Feb 5, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Laker Fans
They have no lives basically. They just want to start trouble.
Well we have no blog here for one.
I came here to see what you guys would say about the game and was surprised that you guys were complaining so much about the refs.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 6, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
bablue
Leave them alone right now. There’s really no point in arguing right now.
Enjoy the win. Let them vent. Come back tomorrow, after emotions settle.
There are plenty of Laker Blogs to chat about the win.
Come back tomorrow ?
you going to rub in the win for the entire week ? real classy
We were celebrating!
We savor a win and piss and moan about a loss. It’s because we care. It’s what fans do.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 6, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Good Game
Hey look….there was alot of questionables…but as fan of the game it was an outstanding game. Unfortunately yall will have to hear BSPN’s take for days to come…but dont be down Celtic fan s that game cuda easily gone yalls way.
Oh and Ray wasnt fouled on the shot…but there was much contact on the dribble.
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Feb 5, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions
That's the point
Oh and Ray wasnt fouled on the shot…but there was much contact on the dribble.
You aren’t suppose to be able to hand check outside the three point line. That was Doc’s point, not that he was fouled on the shot but that he was fouled all the way up until the shot. The Lakers were over the limit, therefore Ray should have been on the free throw line.
I’ve seen many Lakers fans saying Pierce was treating Kobe the same way. Not true. Pierce saved his hand checking for when Kobe was inside the three point line, as the rule permits. Outside the line Pierce never put a hand on him.
I want to put a little more emphasis on BBD…. stop shooting jumpshots all game long!
It’s OK, you are working on it, the coaches want him to shoot it, he actually hit a few times last game against philly, especially a nice 4th Q….but let’s keep it as just another option, not our primary one!
Baby missed a 20 feet jumpshot at the 1:10 4th Q mark, a 19 feet jumpshot at the 0:34 4th Q mark and another 20 feet jumpshot at the 0:17 OT mark. He made his only basket of the game, also in crunch time, with 1:04 left in OT.
Is that ridiculous or what?!
Teamwork...
Defense...
Ubuntu...
The Boston Celtics
One thing I cant stand is when the BBD haters come out after a bad game, yet leon played bad for a month and hardly anyone says a word…BBD was great in that 12 game winning streak, but not tonight
Leon did finally peak his head tonight
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly poor decisions on plays awkward shots etc
We could have closed this one up. We were up by 6 within minutes of the 4th quarter, and Pierce hitting the paint was working drawing fouls and points (even allen not settling for the long awkward shot and taking it closer) then all of a sudden they stopped.
They were up by 6, then 4, trying to make The Hero PLay and thats when it just fell apart and turned to overtime. Pierce the captiain should have took control in the final minutes and kept penetrating in hopes of the foul and most of all for what worked int he finals…. I’m sure had the Lakers been up by 6 toward the end Kobe or Lamar would have takin it in there own hands — up the gut drawing fouls and closing the game like Pierce has the ability to.
ps: kg needs to be more smart about how he plays under pressure, rondo was well he lets things get to him it seems
Look at the lineup
They were up by 6, then 4, trying to make The Hero PLay and thats when it just fell apart and turned to overtime. Pierce the captiain should have took control in the final minutes and kept penetrating in hopes of the foul and most of all for what worked int he finals
The reason we couldn’t get into the paint during the stretch was because we only had two shooters on the floor and one of them was PP. Therefore LA could just collapse and defend the paint.
With KG fouling out, BB not hitting the outside jumper, and Doc’s decision to leave Rondo in the game it became impossible to get into the paint. It’s not like we weren’t trying.
Bablue and Quik24161707 and any Laker fan posting
Leave them alone right now. There’s really no point in arguing right now.
Enjoy the win. Let them vent. Come back tomorrow, after emotions settle.
There are plenty of Laker Blogs to chat about the win.
thank you
"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott
Fair enough
On an unarguementative note, I thought for sure you guys would win. We settled for way too many jump shots and allowed you guys way too many layups. We got a couple of lucky breaks and you guys were’nt on your game tonight, so we pulled out a close one. Thats my take on the game.
There’s a long season still to come, this game doesn’t matter too much in the big picture.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 6, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
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Come on guys
The refs did have a horrible game. But it went both ways.
There was absolutely no foul on Ray Ray on that final play.
I’m glad that Rondo picked up his game in the second half. And I’m glad once again the lack of back up size was so evident.
Perhaps that way people can stop talking about Starbury and get more focus on bringing in a true back up for the 5.
Can someone tell me why House wasn’t on the court for most of the 4th quarter? Gee!
Hey Jeff
will knock off all this classy gentleman BS???
The Celtics got JOBBED by the refs and you know it.
We're Still the Champs
So relax.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 6, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
You said it right there, Jeff:
“See you in the Finals. We’ll be ready.”
by Amager Celtic Fan on Feb 6, 2009 1:46 AM EST reply actions
blame doc and the baby
gee whiz..we need a coach..i mean leon powe had a great 1st half then doc puts the baby in when kg fouls out?? common doc..and eddie house should’ve played down the stretch..this hurts..we need to trade the baby for a legitimate big man!!!
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 2:04 AM EST reply actions
did you miss the last week when leon powe looked like an absolute scrub and BBD was playing clutch and playing great ball for the 12 game stretch? he plays bad tonight and we want to trade him? hes not to blame..thats a joke and a cop out
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
face the facts
i know he hustles and all, but face it he will never be more than a below average backup player..i mean he is so short can’t jump has no confidence in his shot and choked under pressure….hype him up as a barkley and see what we get offered for him..i posted over a month ago that he needs to go..
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, Powe isnt any better
Baby choked under pressure? he came up clutch in that 12 game win streak, what exactly are you talking about? he played bad tonight and wasnt shooting the ball well, its 1 game.
where did I call him the next barkley? thats ridicoulous.
Powe is gonna be more than a below average backup player?
the bottom line is the “powe guys” as I call them have almost turned me against leon, because it is so annoying to see leon play like absolute garbage for a month and bbd play great but it hardly get mentioned, baby has a bad game and all the haters come out, single him out for the reason we lost, which is absurd
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
its a matter of talent or lack of talent
the baby has no talent, powe has a little talent..i said we need to hype baby as a barkley type player hoping some other blind gm bites on that theory and offers us a decent player. we need a legitimate back up big man..not pattycakes another joke!! mutumbo would have helped tonight!! and i really don’t see kendrick perkins as a necessary ingredient..IF we were offered something equal or better..
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
dont say that about my man perk, because thats just not ture, unfortunately its looked true in the last couple of weeks…he just hasnt been the same player since hurting that shoulder twice
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
not true*
also, did perk all of a sudden put on weight too? he was seemingly in better shape to start the season
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
perk
perk can be a real good nba center, i see him posting some high marks in rebounding..maybe 8 to 12 points a game..i guess last night i was ready to trade the whole crew..nah, we need perk and i wouldn’t ditch him..i think his shoulder is tender. i believe he would be a new man with a legitimate 7 footer spelling him for 10 or 12 minutes a game..i don’t think any of our guys has missed many meals..
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Good game
A good game played by both teams. The call fouling out KG was a gift to the Lakers and almost certainly the difference between a one point overtime loss and a regulation win. To me it looked as if KG was fouled on the wrist when Odom knocked the ball away and then Fisher pushed off against KG’s chest and the refs saw it as KG bumping Fisher. A really bad call for a foul that would so affect the outcome.
But not a big deal in the scheme of things, although it helps the Lakers in their quest for home court in the playoffs. A lot of good stuff for the Celts in the game. Bench play was good. House shot well and was very active on defense it seemed. Good to see Powe do well, to help add to his confidence against the Lakers, building on what he did in last year’s playoffs. Some very good D on Kobe in the second half. Pierce was great down the stretch, but it was the second of a back-to-back for Kobe and the Lakers.
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Feb 6, 2009 2:29 AM EST reply actions
James Posey, James Smosey
We lost this game because of the loss of Lucky, lets face it we just arent the same without him….
just thought Id change it up
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:48 AM EST reply actions
finally!!
i agree with you FINALLY!! lets stick together, were gonna be o.k., but with all do respect, i do think we need to make a move..and i agree powe isn’t that good..just an average or below average backup…he has no shot unless its right under the board..
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions
Breaking News: Big Baby just put up another jumper!!
haha funny picture and headline over at barstoolsports…got me laughing pretty good
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 2:56 AM EST reply actions
ray at fenway
my photo icon is ray allen at fenway throwing out a 1st pitch..someone asked me if it was louis tiant
by nottinyarchibald on Feb 6, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
Goodbye
Life is too short for this kind of crap. This game was good in one respect only… it cured me of my Celtics near-obsession. I hate the NBA because it’s rotted to its core, and we all know it. Whether we’re Lakers fans or Celtics fans… we’ve ALL seen games where it’s OBVIOUS the refs are calling it one way or the other. Why do we put up with it? It’s a sick JOKE. And I am sick of it. To hell with the NBA, and the Lakers, and yes, even my erstwhile beloved Celtics. It’s not worth my time anymore.
Lakers are the better team
Love the green and always will. However, Lamar Odom and Gasol have talent and can do this. We really do need a mature big but it probably won’t happen this year. I wouldn’t be too hard on a Glen Davis(2nd year player) I might be harder on a Rondo to be honest. Free throws apparently are what kept us in it but that’s a sign of officiating.
Listen we have three mature hall of Famers but the Lakers do have more maturity on their side in Odom(If he can maintain his game from tonight then the Lakers win the title fact,,simple) Gasol has always been good(same as Odom with his aggressive play) Fisher has been there many times already. They have size 2 players stand 6’10" one both from the bench and 2 7’ players and Bynum will be back.
Danny has known this could be a problem and has Chris Wallace to thank for it. Here is idea of mine that no one likes. Camby from LA if he’s bought out? We can also hope that Rondo and Perk improve their offense a bit more. Tonight’s game was separated by 10 points possibly. 1 in overtime and 9 missed FT attempts.
Tuck the game away green fans and hope your team gets angry. We gotta get by Orlando, Atlanta and Cleveland before hoping to meet the Lakers and they will have home court advantage.
LOL, wow, rondo had 16/12/8 …its safe to say it wasnt his fault whatsoever…the lakers are the better team? um dude, get out of here with that crap, seriously…its gonna take a while for us to mature? we won a title LAST YEAR
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Amazed, didn't know Leon Wood was a Laker
This was one of the reasons I took a break from the NBA, I just ask for consistency. I know being a ref is a tough job, but some of the calls were just silly…I don’t even know what to say. With the exception of the Walton reaching foul on Pierce they seemed to be focused on the Celtics. I hate blaming a game on the refs, because it’s a weak excuse, but they really made it hard, between Pierce missing a few FT, Baby thinking he is Ray Allen. Great game, but very much directed by the black and white. It’s too bad a game of this caliber was so heavily influenced.
CN
i hope you guys beat
i hope you guys beat the craboliers so we could meet in the playoffs. The drama was just so intense and i hope we meet again.
Much love and respect from a LAKERS fan.
Kobe would NEVER foul out in LA
The C’s had plenty of chances to win, in spite of the calls, so that cannot be used as a reason for the loss. Here’s the part that bothers me about how games like this are officiated. The refs seem to know who is doing what and who has how many fouls. There were a couple times Odom could have picked up a foul, but it was like they knew he had 4 and didn’t want him to pick up another foul. You can’t tell me they weren’t thinking like that or a couple of those would not have been called in the 1st quarter of the game, too bad they didn’t see it that way on KG.
Also, when Pierce came off that screen and Kobe hedged into his path, I have seen hundreds of Pierce’s games, and that is called a foul every time, for even less contact than what Kobe did blocking his path. You cannot tell me that they were not aware it was Kobe defending, as Pierce ALWAYS gets that call, as he should, it is a foul if you step into a guy’s path who is driving aggressively, Pierce is the master at knowing how to exploit a player out of position by drawing contact. Not on this play. And what is with Leon Wood? Man, he inserted himself into the game, he clearly likes Fisher’s game. When Fish drives and lowers the shoulder, that is not a charge, but when he dips into the defender and gets brushed, that is foul on the defender?
bobcats last week
Kobe fouled out right at the end of the 4th at home last week against the bobcats. Lakers lost it in OT.
Yup, that game went into overtime and he fouled out after playing 45 minutes…how does KG foul out in 33? thats ridicoulous, if you cant admit that theres something wrong with you
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
What comes around...
The Reality is that you guys got used to the (frequent) favorable officiating you have received in the past, and if it isn’t that way you all cry (as Tommy exemplifies)…
Anyone not completely pro-Celtic is a troll.
9 more free thows for the visitors in a regular season game and to you it’s a travesty.
Compared to 28 more fts for the C’s in game 2 of the finals last year, not so much…
by nba is the worst on Feb 6, 2009 8:31 AM EST reply actions
we hardly every got pro offiicating brah…sorry but theres a reason we got taken to 7 by the hawks and cavs, and overcame a game 7 against the pistons when the refs were seemigly trying to force one…I havent seen us get the favorable officating in freaking months bro, theres a reason LA shot 9 more free throws than us on our court when the game was just as physical both ways
by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Troll
You are considered a troll because you are a laker fan who becomes a celtic blog memeber just to start trouble, you acting like this isn’t a celtic blog. You really expect ever Celtic fan to be kissing the lakers ass ?
You're both wrong
I’m no more of a Laker fan than a C’s fan, I live in Albuquerque so Giddens is a Celtic connection.
My screen name is intended to express my disdain for the poor quality of officiating, such as in last night’s game
As a part-time sports writer, I analyzed the first 30 games this season for the C’s, Lakers, and Cavs for free throw attempts, fouls, and points in the paint differentials.
To make a long story short, the C’s shot way more free throws and were called for far fewer fouls than the other two teams, in spite of having a lower points in the paint differential.
For example, the C’s had 104 points in the paint more than their opponents combined through December 19. They were called for 42 less personal fouls, and shot 84 more free throws.
The Cavs had +120 points in the paint, but were called for 19 less fouls and shot 22 more fts than their opponents. So although the Cavs went inside more than the Celtics, they shot less than 25% of the free throw margin the C’s did.
The Lakers had less than half the free throw differential compared to the C’s…
by nba is the worst on Feb 6, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t think the better team won- even if we won- we’re pretty even. we missed a lot of uncontested shots- they missed a lot of free throws. the reffing stinks every game. the quality of the players has increased by leaps and bounds and the quality of the reffing has decreased in the same manner. i know baby missed his shots, but i’m glad he had the guts to take them. for the most part, he was open. eddie made his and was wonderful, but we’ve seen him go cold and miss a ton- so get off baby’s back. gasol was a force and was cool and odom delivered in the second half, which augmented kobe’s great 3 pointers. we really need a big- hear that danny. there was no celtic to blame and the coach as well, but perk really looked a bit lost out there. and the same for perk in the last few games. maybe it’s the flu, maybe it’s the shoulder, but his vulnerability down low begs for another big.
maturity can be an issue
Since the Ancient rivalry thinks I should get my comments which are crap out I suppose I should leave the blog ya?
Maturity or lack of when it comes to very tight games and being one man down ie…baby, Powe, rondo and Perk aren’t there yet! Gasol and Odom are far more talented and if they play like they did last night I don’t see us beating them in 7 games without home court. Last our only true PF fouled out and we’re left with two guys who barley stand 6’8". All the other two have to do is shoot over them. I do like the Bynum-Perk matchup, both being young players 3 years a part. I will give the edge to Bynum in Offensive ability.
At least...
we didn’t have to listen to Stuart Scott last night. It would have been hard to watch him cry tears of joy. He might still be on ESPN somewhere giving at Kobe love fest.
The game is over and we have to move on. I only hope this doesn’t bite us for home court advantage in any round of the playoffs.
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