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I hate blaming the refs for losses.  Hate it.  It seems like a cop out.  I refuse to believe in conspiracy theories.  Nobody is out to get us.  Save it for Oliver Stone.

With that said, sometimes officials really do a poor job.  It is a hard job to do, and they are under a lot of pressure and scrutiny, but they are also professionals paid to do this job and they should at the very least be consistent with how they call a game.  That wasn't the case last night. Chippy hand checks were called at one point in the game and not in other points.  Calls that were blatantly obvious were missed completely.  It was just a sloppy effort on the refs part all around.

Did it cost us the game?  I hate to admit it, but maybe it did.  At least in part.  The Lakers played well and both teams had a legit shot to win it.  Which is why it is sad that this is a story today.

Don't just take my word for it.  Here's Doc and Ray in the Herald:

Coach Doc Rivers stormed the court, believing Derek Fisher had fouled Allen, but there was no reprieve against the same foe than ended the Celts’ 19-game run on Christmas Day. Kobe Bryant and his pals earned regular-season bragging rights, for what that’s worth.

“I thought it was a hand-check,” Rivers said of the final play. “The officials say that they don’t call the game different from the first quarter to the end of the game, and if that’s true, Ray should have been on the free throw line. I just thought it was a hand-check from the time Ray caught it. He pushed him all the way. Unless the rules have changed, you can’t do that.”

Allen concurred, saying, “I was fouled. I was pushed. I got pushed into the shot.”

According to Allen, the non-call was even more galling because Kevin Garnett had fouled out with 4:22 left in regulation on an alleged shove after Pau Gasol (24 points, 14 rebounds) slapped the ball away.

And Doc again in another Herald article:

But the Celtics coach was voicing displeasure well before that.

“I thought in the third and fourth quarter the game got out of control,” Rivers said. “And I thought the officials allowed it to get out of control. I just thought there was a lot of chippiness. It was funny. Thirty seconds into the second half, I yelled out on the floor and said, ‘Guys, there’s elbows. Clean it up.’ I thought we’re the retaliators tonight a lot and we got the call obviously.”

Of course Derek Fisher disagrees:

"How much contact did I make?" Fisher asked, repeating a follow-up question. "I don't think I made any contact with him. As he caught the ball, we were running together and I was getting through (the screen). So if that's a foul, I guess so, but in terms of when he goes into the shooting motion, there's definitely no contact there. But the game wasn't decided only by that one particular play."

Finally some words from Bob Ryan:

Even the best officials get it wrong. The question emanating from this game, however, was this: What were these three men doing working a game of this magnitude? On a February Thursday night when there are only three games on the schedule, someone in power thinks that Monty McCutchen, Jim Capers Jr., and Leon Wood should be working what was, in the minds of many, the biggest game of the 2008-09 regular season? Really? Were all the real officials on vacation? Not acceptable. No game of this scope should be placed in the hands of third-tier officials. There were going to be legitimately unhappy people, no matter who won this horribly mismanaged game that left both sides confused as to what was, and what wasn't, a foul right from the opening tap.

With all that said, I'm not going to get too bent out of shape about it.  I'm sure the boys in green and white have gotten their share of breaks over the course of the season.  I'm a big believer in the theory that these things even out over time.  It just stinks that this particular night we had to lose to the Lakers at least in part because of the refs.

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ray was fouled

but you are right Jeff we should not dwell on it.
We need another big like PJbrown. Eddie House has been great. TA looked lost.

by tommyfan on Feb 6, 2009 8:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the refs cost us, but so what. the players’ have to take responsibility for their game. we need the big ina big way. perk just seems too vulnerable with his shoulder and powe and baby ain’t really big bigs. stern has to look at his ref situation as critical. basketball is the most subjective of the games to officiate. the betting incident, no matter how stern calls it ,is the tip of the iceberg. do you think that enron and the bernie madoff scandals were isolated—no they weren’t- they showed how corrupt the money boys have become. this was not an isolated poorly called game. something smells in the nba and it won’t get better as long as stern and his long term money boys rule. the owners need to talk to their counterparts in the nfl and mlb get something going because ther definitely is something rotten going on.

by nazzbo on Feb 6, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

kg

I am not making excuses for the loss, but what do you want to bet KG gets the flu shot next year? Regardless, he was amazing and it was a great game. Even after KG fouled out we still had a chance to win it. Regular season games don’t provide anything but bragging rights, post season stands alone. Good game by both teams.

by thirstyboots18 on Feb 6, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Both teams played like garbage, and one team won – by one point. The game means nothing. Both sides could think of a million reasons why the game should have played out differently. My main concern continues to be Cleveland. If we meet LA in June, so be it, but lets cross that bridge when we come to it.

But on a side note – did anyone happen to see the way Gasol tomahawk chopped the arm of of Garnett to get the ball loose (and then the ref fouled out Garnett when he attempted to grab the loose ball from Fisher)? Just plain silly.

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just a great game

Bob Ryan makes good point. Why 3 nobodys in such an important game? But the last play happened right in front of me and it is whining to say Ray got fouled. As good as the Philly final play call was, both endo of game and end of OT calls not so good. Why Tony Allen in for end of regulation play? On last play, inbound to Big Baby at top of key. Everyone knows he isn’t going to shoot it so they had Ray covered. Maybe there was contact but it didn’t deserve to be called.
The outrage was the no foul on Garnett which led to his foulout. But, the refs were bad both ways. It lengthened the game and interfered with high intensity basketball.
I expected Lamar Odum to choke. Give him credit.
We’re fine. KG doesn’t foul out often and Scal could’ve helped. Gasol had very efficient game

by Wildblu1 on Feb 6, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can't blame the officials

Yes, it was a hack job by the NBA, but the C’s turned over the ball, took bad shots down the stretch, didn’t make open shots, stopped moving the ball, etc. Give LA credit. They showed up on D which is a difference from last year. They do lots of hacking rather than position D, but I guess that’s their ‘style’. Kobe hit some tough shots down the stretch. 99% of the NBA doesn’t make those shots.

If the game is close enough to be decided by an official, you haven’t done your job as a team.

I don’t mind that KG had to sit out a couple of games. That’s good in the long run. Pop INTENTIONALLY sat his trio in SA for a break.

by LuckyNumber07 on Feb 6, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If the game is close enough to be decided by an official, you haven’t done your job as a team.

Amen. Officiating, even bad officiating, is just another game variable to deal with. Victory was there to be had, our guys just didn’t take it.

by Thruthelookingglass on Feb 6, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yessir.

I agree completely. There is a lot the Celtics could have differently to win this ballgame that they just did not do. You can’t change the way refs call a game but you can change the way you play the game. Its a disappointing loss but its too easy to blame it on the refs.

by TripleThreat on Feb 6, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pierce missing free throws lost it.

In crunch time you have to hit them all. Pierce missed couple of critical ones.

On another point that was raised, why don’t these guys take the flu shot?

Bill Gish the Nolaman ( New Orleans Louisiana Man)

by nolaman on Feb 6, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The officiating was “NBA Standard,” i.e. bad. It didn’t cost them the game, it just made the game worse for both teams.

The Celtics’ poor shooting cost them the game— both from the field and at the line—plus Kobe was just pulling up and draining 30 footers one after another in the 4th quarter.

Stuff happens. But let’s not compound the loss with lackadasical play tonight against the Knicks.

by Brickowski on Feb 6, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alot of things to look at in a 1-pt game, all the lakers fans and people in general that think they are better than the champs because they beat us by 1 “without bynum” can go bury thier heads..the lakers hung in there last night…but did you really expect them not too after what happened here last june?
Also, i dont want to hear how the lakers are tougher than they were last year, them being “soft” to begin with was an overstatement, they lost the finals, we won the finals, period.. Ive never seen another team who lost in the finals get the label soft slapped on them so dramatically and then after a 1 pt win next season get labeled tough…haha…they are the same dang team that played like it was there oppurtunity to re-play game 6 each time we played them

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad that you finally see it the way we do.

re: “them being "soft" to begin with was an overstatement”

The Celtics had every opportunity to seize control of the game and just didn’t.

by wondahbap on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

These trolls are seriosuly driving me nuts Jeff, this doesnt seem like celtics blog anymore.

by Champzilla on Feb 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leon Wood

is a bit of an outlier when it comes to the home team at least. Home teams have a winning percentage of .474 when he’s officiating. That places him near the very bottom in the league. Interesting. Maybe he gets a kick out of pissing off the home crowd.

by reggie35 on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe the refs had money on LA

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wish I were joking

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

they put the lakers at the line for the game...what's the difference besides the game clock?

vonislav waferdenko: care to answer that? they put odem at the line to win the game on a loose ball scramble hip check. So yeah, i expect them to call the fouls both ways. Had it been reversed Kobe would have been at the line. All the big calls went the lakers way last night. you can’t deny that fact. All the momentum changing plays ended in a whistle and the lakers going to the line or getting the ball. watch the game again.

by IowaGuy on Feb 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Paul Peirce was at the line for a weak blocking call.

Remember that.

Big Baby obviously fouled LO. A foul that broke up a fast break. It ws dumb by Big Baby because it put LO at the line.

by wondahbap on Feb 6, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are the calls the lakers were getting all night long, bout time PP got one.

remember Farmar going to the line for an equally weak blocking call early in the 4th? I sure do because Rondo was getting the same contact and was not going to the line which means the C’s are getting in the bonus like the lakers were towards the end of quarters.

by IowaGuy on Feb 6, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention that Gasol totally hacked his arm to get the ball loose in the first place

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The refs didn’t help, but we lost because we’re missing another big man. BBD can play in the League, but no way should he have been on the floor during crunch time. He’s a 9th-man type at this point; occassionally effective, but not consistent and someone who’s out there to do a specific role. As much as it pains me to write this, I would have felt MUCH better with Scal out there. No fault on Doc; BBD was the best of his options, but Danny better be getting out the Rolodex this morning and making some calls, it’s time to beg and cajole PJ into one last go-’round OR pull together some kind of deal for Joe Smith.

by theBird on Feb 6, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dont know why Lakers fans even bother to post on this site. It has never, ever occurred to me to visit a Lakers blog (do they have one?) and start posting and advocating on behalf of the Celtics. The reason being is because a) I dont care that much; and b) it would be exceedingly lame to do so. Lakers fans on who post on this blog need to get over whatever complex is bothering them – they’re acting like the jealous younger brother (yup – you are!).

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

perhaps a Lakers/Celtics blog should be constructed

by jurrasicearl on Feb 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about no, thats a horrible idea.

by Champzilla on Feb 6, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't feel threatened by me.

I’ve been coming here for a little bit now, just to blog, and I don’t bash your team.

So, while you may not care about the happenings around the NBA, I do. You can try your cheap shots or whatever. Go ahead, but I haven’t rubbed it in once. In fact, I was here to stop trolling last night. It just so happens that the Celtics played the Lakers. i would comment if it was the a Cavs game.

by wondahbap on Feb 6, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Magic swept the season series with The Lakers…are they better than LA? we are 2-0 against the Magic….what does this mean? ….it’s just the way it goes sometimes…and I think each time we played LA came at a bad time, obviously having to go across the country on christmas isnt ideal, and we were on the downward spiral of the peak we were on during the recent streak, I knew it before going into the game, and I was right…wouldnt be shocked if we have a tough time with new york tonight

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Its been a weird season of peaks and valleys as far as our play goes… up and down, and we even win alot of games on the downside, but we just havent been consistently great like we were last year…that and its a championship type game for the teams that we knocked out in the playoffs….It couldnt be any clearer that both cleveland and LA are playing at the level they are this season to get homecourt against us

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Going across he country isn't ideal,

but neither is playing 5 games in 7 nights on the road, and having to play Boston (while they’re on a 12 game winning streak) in the 2nd game of a back to back. So the timing can’t be factored in. If anything, the Lakers had the “bad timing.”

You have some points about the Magic vs. the Lakers, but it’s a different animal with Lakers v. Celtics. These games meant something to both teams. They have more implication. So,to comparing it to the Magic isn’t really a fair assessment.

by wondahbap on Feb 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The most overrated thing in the NBA is “5 games in 7 nights” crap…and to bring the magic into it again, we played the magic on the road on a 3rd game in 4 nights while they had 4 nights off…we go in there and win…and no its not different for us playing the lakers than the magic, sorry but its not…it is for the lakers because of what happened to them in june

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no way you believe that.

It’s impossible for you to stand by that. You just complained about going across the country, then turn around and say those things? There is nothing overrated about that. You can look up every teams splits and you will see the road records, and records on certain days rest.

To beat the Magic “on a 3rd game in 4 nights while they had 4 nights off” is a hell of a feat.

No matter what you may want to believe the Celtics need to prove the hold the edge, just as much as LA needed to prove ther isn’t one. Boston has not been good on the road. From last year’s playoffs to their long road trip this year. This game had huge implications in home court, should it get that far. You know that. They knew that.

by wondahbap on Feb 6, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Going across the country on christmas is a little different than a road trip in february..the celtics player are all family men, half of which have newborns…it was a factor in my mind, especially once they lost to the lakers and went into that slump…the lakers have the momentum right now, just like when we beat miami, and the next went into orlando and won…just like when we swept the texas triangle..it was alot to do with momentum,,which the lakers have right now…but just be aware that the cavs will get all the calls on sunday and you will lose

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kobe isn’t a family man based on his past actions in Colorado.

by Champzilla on Feb 6, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm banning Laker trolls as I see them

I’m trying my best to distinguish between Laker fans actually looking for conversation and ones just coming to taunt – but I’m erring on the side of banning

FYI: the comments banned members make are hidden when I ban them, also any replies to their comments are hidden – so if your reply to them disappears, that’s why

"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott

by Jeff Clark on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious...

How do you determine who is a “Laker fan”?

by nba is the worst on Feb 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more conserned with trolls than fans

we have one rule here: respect other posters

trash talk elsewhere

"Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me." Michael Scott

by Jeff Clark on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we can make this loss be inconsequential by getting hc through the playoffs

bottom line it now hurts because its like two losses but no different than if we beat NY and LA loses its next game.

But we need a long big. less importantly we need another shooter who can defend on the wing so we can play well small with KG at center. tic toc tic toc

by wahz on Feb 6, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Paul hits both FT's in regulation, it would be Laker Fans complaining about the Officiating.

The refs were just plain bad. Bad calls all over the place.

Of all of them, KG’s 6th foul was certainly the worst, but then the refs proceded to give us a bunch including those last two in regulation that were certainly suspect, Paul just missed his free-bee’s.

I, like Jeff, don’t believe in the conspiracy theories – but what I do think NBA refs are doing is making calls that create the most possible drama. They seize the home crowd’s momentum at opportune moments and use it to create these dramatic emotional swings. Like it or not, it makes for good tv.

The NBA is in the entertainment business, which imo is why you don’t ever see this kind of consistent controversy over College hoops. Think about it, what has been the one constant about NBA officiating over the last 15 years? It’s that it is ALWAYS called into question during big games/series – regardless of who is playing.

by D Dub on Feb 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Could have won

Doc Rivers was the reason we lost, learn your subbing methods Doc it’s getting annoying now. And if anyone wants to be a pain in the ass and ask for a line up House-RA-PP-POWE- and Perk.

by Scalablob990 on Feb 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope, Powe played like garbage for a month and cant knock down a jumpshot or play defense…he went with the right guy

by TheAncientRivalry on Feb 6, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

Do you think the NBA cringes when they see blown calls (especially with three seconds to go ) or do they just say whatever? Let there be no doubt that the refs influenced the game last night in favor of the Lakers….the sad part is that many here seem to feel that shoddy refs should just be tolerated…to argue that the Celtics should have done one or thing or another to win is simply accepting the status quo…

by Fastbreak1 on Feb 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure the ref’s blew calls, lots of them. But the game was decided by the resulting free-throws. Paul missed his, Lamar hit his.

It’s such a cop out to blame the refs EVERY time we lose. It’s becoming the new CelticsBlog mantra, and frankly it’s pretty annoying.

by D Dub on Feb 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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