Not Enough

The comeback attempt was just not enough. We don't have enough healthy players. And the defense was just not good enough. Wade adds to his MVP bid. Too bad because it wastes a huge game by Ray Allen and a career night for Leon Powe.
Update: Some belated thoughts on last night's game.
- Boy do we miss Rondo. Oh yeah, and that KG guy too. But moreso Rondo.
- 0-6 for Marbury. Obviously still rusty. I have a feeling many people are rooting for him to fail so his "leash" will be shorter than average. I'm willing to give him more time to work it out.
- It is really hard to manage a 3 man low post rotation when they are all in foul trouble in the first half but somehow none of them fouled out.
- Great to see Bill Walker get a little more run. He showed he can pick up hustle points and attack the basket (filling a void left by Tony). He also got under the skin of Jermaine O'Neal. This kid is just making friends all over the league isn't he?
- The Heat announcers mentioned that many (I forget the numbers) of Powe's career double doubles have come against the Heat.
- "What do you want me to say that hasn't been said about [Wade]?" said Pierce.
| Boston | |||||||||||||||
| Starters | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| R. Allen | G | 40:02 | 10-18 | 5-8 | 2-2 | -14 | 2 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 27 |
| S. Marbury | G | 23:58 | 0-6 | 0-2 | 0-0 | -10 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| K. Perkins | C | 27:55 | 5-10 | 0-0 | 3-4 | -15 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 13 |
| L. Powe | F | 42:52 | 7-14 | 0-0 | 9-12 | -10 | 4 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 23 |
| P. Pierce | F | 40:17 | 5-10 | 1-1 | 5-7 | -10 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 16 |
| Bench | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| E. House | 24:28 | 4-9 | 2-5 | 2-2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 12 | |
| M. Moore | 17:59 | 0-3 | 0-0 | 0-0 | +2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 0 | |
| B. Walker | 14:22 | 2-3 | 0-0 | 4-6 | +12 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8 | |
| G. Pruitt | 6:25 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | +5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| Totals | 33-73 | 8-16 | 25-33 | 14 | 41 | 15 | 17 | 6 | 4 | 7 | 26 | 99 | |||
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so that wasn’t just me? I was staring at a fuzzy, tiny screen, but I was very disappointed (despite my low expectations).
by Thruthelookingglass on Mar 11, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that is . . .
I couldn’t see that well but I would have sworn Marbury had more than 2 turnovers.
by Thruthelookingglass on Mar 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not expecting to win until rondo is back, enjoyable game with a terrible result…Need to get healthy or it may be some time until we get the 50th win, with this loss we equal as many regular season losses as we had all last year.
Ubuntu
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 11, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
It will get worse before it gets better
Just go with the #3 seed and prep for the playoffs. If we are going to get anytthing out of the M & M boys it needs to start happening soon.
Just make sure the Celts starters are rested and healthy with 5 games left in the season so they can get some run, preped and primed for the playoffs.
Doc needs to cut Pierce and Ray to under 35 min. or less per game, enough of these 40+ min. games. Play 500 ball the rest of the way, playoffs or bust baby.
It will only get more uglier
Ray shot lights out, House shot pretty well too. Miami coming off a double overtime game, tired and they sitll took us out. Biggest mistake we are making right now is playing Ray and Pierce 40 min. a game. Does anybody remember how terrible Ray was first round verse the Hawks last year? If Doc doesn’t get it, Danny needs to step in and tell him. The rest of the season is meaningless. If Ray or Pierce have no legs for the playoffs or either gets injured playing 40+ min., it is no Doc..
Ooof
I understand getting Marbury in there since he needs to get his legs in shape, but man. Doc needs to sit on Pierce and Allen over the next week or so. No need to burn them out over these games.
I don't
understand Marbury and I don’t understand Mikki. Let’s suit up Andrew DeClerq.
Doc should really play Pierce and and Allen for the full 48 minutes and should probably let them put on some drills during the breaks now that Lucky’s gone. It’s really the only way they’ll get the experience of holding up a drained physicality come playoff time which will test their true meddle!
I'm going to say it... again
Powe needs to be the first big off the bench, once we’re back to our full roster. The ONLY reason I see Powe being limited in minutes is fouls, but I’m also not convinced Doc isn’t sending him out there to give hard fouls and change game momentum for the starters and Big Baby. Powe is playing better than BBD. Period. When Davis is back, Doc better widen his eyes to this. I’m tired of saying “See Doc? Powe actually CAN play at PF”
by BostonGoldenBear on Mar 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
What is Doc doing?
He did a good job keeping the bigs from fouling out, but I don’t understand taking out Walker. He was having a great game and then they were on that run. So why would you take out a player who’s helping the run? Sometimes I wonder because I really like how this kid plays and we didn’t even see Giddens. If you ain’t gonna play them both at least cut Giddens(Never will see much time under Doc).
So get another big until Big Baby, Scal, or KG comes back. Enough of running PP and Ray into the ground with these +40 minutes games. PP looked really bad out there and Powe had another great night. I just hope Rondo will come back so we won’t see much of Marbury anymore. I’m starting to feel like it’s not gonna get any better till we get BOTH our starters back.
We’re maxed out at 15 players. We can’t sign anyone else unless we get down to I think seven guys, in which we could ask the league to sign someone to a ten day contract. But that’s not going to happen.
by amenhotep04 on Mar 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Three Lessons Learned for me (read and learn)
1. we can easily beat Miami in the playoffs at full strength
2.) Starbury can’t even really provide back up for Rondo let alone start – House and Ray Allen kind of playing point are much more effective anyway.
3.) Mikki Moore is not strong enough at 7ft 2 inches to really grab many big rebounds and he has no inside moves at all.
Po looks injured as well but he is a man’s man on those Boards
Is it Soup Yet?
they got zilch from marbury and mikki. i don’t mind marbury getting mins. because he has to play his way onto the team. there was too much at times of bad paul and doc left pp and ray in way too long into the 3rd period. the team was going down the tube and those 2 were playing without rest—bad doc. the refs flat out allowed too much miami rough play and the first 2 fouls on perk were ticky tacky. walker looked ok and once eddie was allowed to stay in the game, he was a positive force. and by the way the miami pa guy is the absolute worst schmuck in all sports and then some. i have to turn the sound down. if i were at the game or a miami player i would be embarrassed by him.
walker played well as did ray ,powe and perk. Pierce was double teamed a lot but was careless with the ball ( 4 turnovers) and was a non factor. we could have really used a little more fire from pierce tonight. against orlando I thought he also played poorly. Marbury is struggling with his shot but more shockingly his ball handling is weak. He keeps getting stripped. I have to say that where I was once veryconfident that he would help us now I’m not so sure. He’s struggling way more than I thought he would. Moore looks like a stiff to me. he doesn’t move to the ball very well and he can’t get a contested rebound. His outside shot is really suspect.
Actually
Pierce was not a non factor, He was doing a good job moving the ball and alot of those Powe free throws were on passes from Pierce. KP, Mikki, and even Ray missed other open shots that should have been assists for Pierce. Yes, he had 4 turnovers, three if you don’t count the bogus charge call, but Ray had four turnovers himself. They both shot well but PP was setting picks to get Ray open shots all night long while no one was setting picks for him. This is something Doc needs to work on. Paul also had a couple of very nice defensive plays and they came important times during the game.
Ray was 1-7 on the second half Paul was 2-4. Our best scorer needs to get more than 10 shots in 40 minutes of playing time. That’s on Doc and his teammates. I think they were so focused on Ray since he had been so hot in the first half but he couldn’t do anything in the second half and that killed us.
Pierce Was Getting Mauled
And the refs let it happen.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
But Marbury’s problems do not seem to be from being out of shape. There seems to be some mental disconnect, something not clicking. Certainly he is in good enough shape to make at least a few good plays in the first half, hit a shot or two, etc. He does not seem to have anything there. It is as if he is not in the game mentally, is all I am saying. It could be because he does not know the plays yet, but my sense is that is not the problem.
Ray/Paul
So where was the rest that Doc promised for the guys? That was my biggest worry coming away from this game.
jamal magloire = cheap shot artist
Hey, I’ve found a new villain- Jamal Magliore. Man does he love to commit cheap shots. Can’t wait until we play them again and hopefully baby will be back and he can perk can get some pay back
JR Giddens must really suck
If he can’t get in this game. Danny keeps telling us this kid is good but Doc never plays him. we all know that doc won’t play someone unless they’re good in practice so giddens must stink in practice. I can now say that Gabe Pruitt will never be much of a player. he has been given numerous opportunities and every time he gets in the game he makes a stupid turnover or mistake. Danny should trade him in the offseason because he’s not the answer at the backup 1 or 2 and unfortunately I don’t think GIddens is either so going into next year we’re going to need some guard help. We should have drafted Mario Chalmers. I still don’t know why Danny didn’t pick him
Well that’s not really fair to Giddens. It basically took one third of the team to get injured before Doc gave Walker some minutes and the early returns are pretty good on Billy I’d say.
Even though I’m on Doc to play Walker more, I don’t think he needs to play both guys. Something unfortunate but necessary to consider is the disadvantage of playing two rookie, especially at the same time: the team loses a lot of “respect” from the officials. Doc has a tough job right now; he wasn’t perfect tonight but he did all right especially considering the early foul trouble.
i am still trying the find the foul under the hoop on eddie house late in the game….that led to him trying to save it and the heat getting points out of that
by celticinorlando on Mar 11, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Mikki is looking at this point like a marginal contributor, which brings us to What If, part 311: had Doc fed POB steady minutes—could he have broken him in? Or was he that bad?
Also, one for DA: why Giddins? Why? Given the lack of depth at SF/Fwd, it seems a wasted pick. Not to mention a Mr. D. Miles seems to be given some quality minutes to the Griz. Could use some of that right now.
Our M & M ain't sweet
Marbury is talented, he can hit big shoots, no question about that. But he is no young chick either and has not played in more than a year. It is hard to ask a 32-yr old guy who has not played prof ball for 18 months to junp in and play at NBA level in a new system. We just have to pray that he will recover in time. But then, for a guy at his age, chances are his skills may have diminished for good.
As for Moore, well, the Celtics knews what they were getting when they signed him. He is not doing any worse than my expectation.
???
0 points total from Marbury, Moore and Pruitt in 48 minutes — in a 9 man rotation no less. Giddens should have seen at least a few minutes — it’s not like these guys produced more than he would have.
The lack of production just cannot be accepted and have the C’s expect to win a game. Marbury and Moore have looked worse since their first games and Pruitt looks like he’s regressed since the start of the season. C’s need good health to win since good health will keep these non-contributors on the bench in the playoffs.
For those who foresee 1, 2 or 3 of these players coming back next year, I highly doubt it.
Ray still has it
The past few games showed that Ray Allen could still put up big numbers when he was involved in the offense long enough.
Plus/Minus Numbers Disturbing
Perhaps Bill Walker was the bright spot other than Powe.
Don't understand the philosophy
Doc won’t play rookies, yet he’ll play two guys who are lost in the system in Moore and Marbury. I guarantee if Giddens got 15 minutes per night he’d be a solid contributor. He’s a very good player, and he’ll show it one day – whether it be for Boston or someone else.
Doc plays rookies….who are ready to play…ala glen davis last year
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 12, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
not by choice
Doc played baby because he didn’t have anyone else except Veal and Powe on the bench that could possibly fill in for Perk and occasionally for KG. Don’t mistake that for Doc playing him because he thought BBD was ready
ooph
this is hard to watch, but i cant agree with certain tv analysts that these are must win games for the Cs right now. We’re going to be in the playoffs, and regardless of what seed we are, if we can get healthy again were going to knock teams over, so lets do everything to get healthy!! dont burn out pierce!!!
yikes
mikki moore and marbury combine for, well, you do the math.
these are guys are NOT going to help us down the stretch, sorry.
60?
At the rate, we can kiss the 60-win mark goodbye. That may come back to haunt us. This year, I think a team needs 60 wins to have home court advantage thru the playoff. Not to sound discouraging, but we don’t want to play game 7 in Cleveland or LA.
I don't know what to write
I’m hoping/thinking it’s a chemistry problem. These games are painful to watch. Injuries at a very inconvenient time and I just hope this doesn’t hinder our success in the playoffs. I don’t know how long it will take for us to get back in the flow once everyone gets back.
If anything, last night shows how much home court is important. If it’s a close game and you have a superstar like wade on your team, any and every call will go to him – shooting or taking it to the hole. There’s no stopping it. That’s when the game becomes lost for the opposing teams and that’s an undoubtedly what would happen in Cleveland, let alone L.A.
It’s all up in the air at this point.
I think you missed it
You must have missed the CLE game in Boston. You’d never know that Donaghy-special was in Boston instead of CLE. That’s the kind of officiating you’ll see in the playoffs on the other courts. On a comforting note, when the C’s make the commitment to defense and hustle, they can win a 5 on 8 game.
Home Court Moot
Even if the C’s had a shot at it, did it really matter? At least in terms of officiating, No one player on the teams gets a Wade-Lebron pass, nor has the team particulary benefited from calls at home,
I hated how Doc left Leon out there in the 2nd quarter even though he looked tired.
Also is Bill Walker the bigger version of Tony Allen? He has absolutely no shooting touch, isn’t his FT % lower than Perk?
Just let Marbury run a few more games before we jump on him, also Eddie is not exactly a world class PG. If anything, the best PG we have now is Paul Pierce
Ray Also Good At Point
Lately he’s been playing more like a point. He’s coming off the three, probing the defense and making some great passes to guys under the basket. He’s also attacking the rim and pulling up for those mid-range shots that Tommy loves.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
Doc is on record as saying that guys that don’t practice well don’t play. Last night we’re short handed and Giddens is the ONLY player that doesn’t get in the game. There is no conclusion other than Giddens has not earned minutes with his play in practice.As for someone saying Pierce played well did you actually watch the game? He went 1 for 3 in a crucial ft situation down the stretch. He turned the ball over 4 times and continuously left his man ( Moon and others) open for 3’s. Against Orlando he was also subpar – sorry but it’s true






























