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Taking Out the Trash From South Beach

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Down five rotation players.  Going up against the hottest scorer in the league of late.  Visiting a team fighting for separation in the middle of the playoff picture and coming off three wins in its last four games. 

The Celtics had a tough task ahead of them last night in Miami and didn't stand all the way up to meet the challenge.  It happens.  With the ever-worsening injury situation and the team's recent inefficacy on defense scrambling my brain, let's go straight to the bullet points and get on out of here and into the right state of mind for Memphis on Friday:

  • Hard not to start with Dwyane Wade: He didn't kill the Celtics from the field overall (9-for-20 for the night), but he nailed a difficult right-wing bank shot, a lay-up plus the foul and a game-clinching three in the fourth quarter.  While the 32 points were pedestrian for him lately (seriously, that's his second-lowest total in six March games), he continued to get to the foul line with regularity and forced the Celtics to send multiple defenders at him on several occasions, which opened up the lane for cutting teammates.  Wade's March numbers: 37.2 points, 10.7 assists, 6.7 rebounds and 3.5 steals per game, 57.2 percent from the field, 53.6 percent on threes.  Jaw-dropping.
  • One more Wade-relevant note: The Miami backcourt is quite pesky defensively.  Flash and Mario Chalmers both do solid jobs as individual defenders, and they have great hands as well.  Each recorded four steals last night.  For Wade, that marked his third consecutive four-theft performance.  The nine steals the Heat recorded as a team led to several fast breaks, a couple of which ended in dunks and easy finishes.
  • Leon Powe continues to dazzle.  He's cleaning up the glass defensively, fighting for second and third chances at the other end, finishing down low and hitting his foul shots at a more regular clip than ever before.  He is 23-for-27 (85.2 percent) from the line in five March games, and he looks more comfortable in the post than he has all year.  Beyond staying out of foul trouble, it's hard to ask much more of Powe after a 23-point, 13-rebound performance.  

Star-divide

  • Out-of-this-world first half for Ray Allen.  Second half disappearance.  I'll still take 27 points on 71 percent true shooting any night without blinking.
  • While he has his flaws, I'm always impressed with how active Jamario Moon is.  He never seems to stop moving at either end of the floor.  While it occasionally hurts him on defense because he doesn't stay in enough control when closing out on a shooter (as expertly pointed out by Tony Fiorentino on a play that allowed Ray Allen an offensive rebound), he still did a good job at that end last night, keeping Paul Pierce from ever really establishing a rhythm.  Offensively, he banged three treys and finished two fast breaks with dunks.  Credit Moon for providing a key energy spark for the Heat.
  • Eddie Money arrived again with nine key points in the fourth quarter.  Even more impressive than his trademark shooting was that he actually looked like a point guard on one particular play.  House drove the lane, drew a help defender and dished swiftly to Leon Powe for a dunk.  Well done.
  • At no point last night did I even give a second thought to who was officiating.  That's a good sign.
  • Given my preexisting bias against Stephon Marbury, I'm doing my best to stay the course and not get mega-reactionary after any one performance.  But he hasn't been good for the most part, and it bears noting that last night was another mess.  That said, I'm still for Steph starting until Rajon Rondo returns.  He was brought in to be the primary back-up at the point, and he will be expected to work with the starters and the top guys off the bench come playoff time if all goes according to plan.  With the Celtics depleted in the first place, this is as good a team as any to help try to speed up the re-acclimation process.  Giving Marbury his shot as a starter each night and then playing Eddie down the stretch if Steph stumbles works fine by me.  A bit more Gabe Pruitt than we've seen recently wouldn't hurt, but other than that, no complaints here about Doc's handling of this particular issue so far.  It's up to Steph to get his rear in gear as quickly as possible.  We'll see if that can be done.
  • Udonis Haslem went a quiet 4-for-5 before hitting an open 13-footer to push the Miami lead from four to six with just outside of a minute to play.  Nice night for him.
  • Mikki Moore submitted an epic four-foul first quarter off the bench.  I imagined the worst-case scenario was that his signing would have a net result of zero for the Celtics but expected him to make the team marginally better.  Thus far - and again, it's way too early for anything to be definitive - his presence has been a clear negative (though that goes well beyond the first-quarter fouls).  Why doesn't he guard anyone?
  • Paul Pierce's shooting numbers weren't terrible, but he had another sluggish night in which he wasn't a major factor offensively.  Missing two of three freebies after Mario Chalmers committed an idiotic foul in a six-point game wasn't so good.
  • Kendrick Perkins earns credit for battling hard on the offensive glass once more.
  • Jermaine O'Neal is a bit of a dope sometimes.  Shoving a player out of bounds underneath his own basket while his team was in the penalty was silly enough.  Sending a guy to the foul line 94 feet from his basket isn't such a great idea.  Standing over that player to the point of earning a technical foul makes no sense.
  • The game log says the Celtics' 16-2 run to cut Miami's 15-point lead to one in the fourth took 3:57, but it felt a lot quicker than that.  Very cool experience.
  • All aboard the Bill Walker train!  Walker did just what we could have hoped for on Wednesday.  He got after it and gave the team an energy spark while he was on the floor, attacked the basket when it was there for him and limited his turnovers to one illegal screen.  That he ran into foul trouble is to be expected as a young player with a lot of energy who hasn't been given the consistent opportunities to get accustomed to being on the floor at this level.  He needs to improve that, and his defense has a ways to go.  But Walker gave the star swingmen a few extra minutes of rest, drew several fouls, snagged a couple of steals and didn't kill this team while he was on the floor.  He was fun to watch, and he logged a team-high plus-12 for the night.  More, please.

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I think you should have wondered who was reffing the game

Didn’t watch it, but Wade played a 2OT game Monday night, and a semi-close game last night and didn’t commit a single foul. The Bulls shot themselves in the foot in their loss, but to play over 80 minutes and not commit a single foul, especially when he fills up the steals and blocks?

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 12, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting note, Ozzie

I hadn’t picked that up from the boxes of the two games (I only caught late-late part of Monday’s game.) Thanks for bringing that up.

I’m not suggesting that I don’t think Wade gets star treatment or that I do think the game was called perfectly. But I didn’t have a problem with the officiating last night and certainly didn’t see it as an excuse for the Celts.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were definitely a couple of D-Wade calls...

but for the most part it was officiated well.

watching chamlers play a functional role was pretty painful. if he were a celtic, we might not have marbury, which means we might have joe smith or someone else of greater use to the team via trade (i.e. gabe pruitt for quinten ross at the deadline).

by ssspence on Mar 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

this post

has little to do with Paul Pierce, but I found that pic and wanted to use it

just thought you’d like to know

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the picture, too

so it works for me. :-D

Thanks, Jeff.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see a Heat player in the picture.

I wouldn’t want my picture under the heading “Taking out the Trash”.

by Bankshot on Mar 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an interesting point

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

confused

Steve, what was the intent of the title? are you “trashing” the Celtics play? talking about trash talk? Or just doing chores? LOL

either way, I can always take down the pic if you like – up to you

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly chores, I think :-D

I was going for something that would reflect my desire to clean my mind of a few thoughts about a fairly forgettable evening overall.

Not necessarily “trashing the Celtics” so much as getting some points out from a negative night and moving forward.

That being said, headline or otherwise, I still like the picture and am happy to leave it. Although Bankshot’s comment did make me think for a second.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 12, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

While watching the game it seemed as though every shot taken over Moore was going in. I hope he learns how to play some D. Although from what I saw, I might be hoping for too much.

Walker was terrific (in his role). HIs energy was fun to see. I sure hope this gets him some more time.

by VtCeltics on Mar 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good piece, Steve.

I am so happy for Powe to have the opportunity to shine now like this. This is two opponents in a row without anyone who could contain him—including their starters.

I’ve loved Walker’s attitude from the start as well, so I’ll be glad if he insinuates himself into the rotation—God knows Pierce has earned it!

I’m not too worried about M&M, in part because they’ll both be better after another 18 games, in part because they’re bench players, and in part because with Powe playing so well Baby’s return could relegate Milli to the situational deep bench anyway.

by clover on Mar 12, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Refs, Marbury, and Doc

Well, I think you completely missed the boat on the refs. The refs did cost us this game. Not with specific bad calls as in past games, but by the (terrible) nature of their game calls overall. From the start, they were calling every little touch a foul. When refs do this, it becomes very hard for the Cs to play their game, which consists of intense and aggressive defense. And of course, when we’re short-handed this effect is magnified.

Random notes: Have you noticed how hard Marbury is working on defense? This from a guy who was supposed to be a blank in that area. Many were worried about Marbury’s attitude before he arrived. I think that while Marbury’s performances have certainly been disappointing so far, his attitude could hardly be better. Here’s hoping he gets his game back asap.

Doc’s defects are starting to become glaring. His rotations (at one point last night it was Marbury and Gabe at the same time… huh?), overuse of superstars, and very poor development of the rookies are well known. There’s also the matter of Doc’s not managing games with the refs in mind. Last night the refs were super-sensitive, calling every little touch (most of the time, and especially when Wade was driving of course). Rather than telling everyone to DRIVE to the hoop every time, the team instead took one outside shot after another deep in the 4th quarter, with the game on the line. Wade on the other hand was driving and going to the line over and over. Doc has made this mistake MANY times before, and shows no sign of understanding or improving in this area. He needs to get the message, because virtually every Cs loss this year occurred when the refs were calling a very tight game. And there’s no reason to believe this phenomenon will not continue in the playoffs.

by DRJ1 on Mar 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Of the Celtics' 16 losses this year, in how many have the refs not "cost us this game"?

I’m curious.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many

Can’t quantify precisely, but it’s a large … probably around 60, at least. The Cs are more susceptible to refs changing game outcomes than any other team, because they are the best defensive team in the NBA (stats notwithstanding), and the most aggressive. When the refs make it impossible to play that way, it affects us more than any other team.

Clearly, blaming the refs opens one to the accusation of excuse-making and whining. Can’t help that. But that accusation – glib and easy to make – is not an argument, or even relevant. It does not change the facts.

How many games can you remember in the past 2 seasons which the Cs WON because the refs messed up? I can’t remember any. But there are have been many times when they lost for that reason. Is it coincidence? Not likely. Is it conspiracy? Don’t know (well, not for sure anyway). Most likely there are multiple reasons.

And is this important? Yep, very. It goes to the heart of what the game of basketball should be, no less. Should it be a game where every little contact is whistled, or should we let the players play and call fouls only when necessary? Opinions will vary, of course. Personally, if the former were the rule I would have given up following the NBA a long time ago. And to the extent we are generally heading in that direction, if we are, they will lose a lot of fans… myself included.

by DRJ1 on Mar 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's advocate, here.
The Cs are more susceptible to refs changing game outcomes than any other team, because they are the best defensive team in the NBA (stats notwithstanding), and the most aggressive. When the refs make it impossible to play that way, it affects us more than any other team.

How many bogus charging calls do the C’s “draw” with their constant sickening flopping? The kind of flopping that Stern promised would be dealt with. It’s disgusting to watch Powe fly to the floor like he’s been shot when taking a “hit” from somebody half his size. The officials should call something the other way when our players are running underneath players (“establishing position”) and flopping 3-4-5-6+ times per game and “drawing” bogus charging calls about 80% of the time.

Combine that with some of the ridiculous star calls Paul gets and a person has to expect some to go against us. The outrage about the call against Powe in the Orlando game was hypocritical at best.

A little objectivity is in order here. A fan can assume that Paul will travel about every 2 1/2 times he has the ball and will get called about once every other game. A fan can also assume Paul will get the same hysterical look of exhasperation when he gets called. . A fan can assume that Wade will take 2-3-4 strides with one carry/dribble and the primadonna can get anywhere he wants without dribbling.

It’s like we’re all seeing every C’s game through Tommy Heinsohn’s eyes.

I liked the shorthanded effort last night. I’m with Brick concerning Marbury. I don’t see him getting any better over time. Part of it is that he’s overrated to begin with. The biggest part is that Unlike PJ, who wasn’t asked to handle the ball much, Marbury has to run an offense after not playing competitive basketball for a year. If Marbury was a third as great as he thinks he is, it’d still be a tough task to fit in this late. But I’m pleasantly surprised by his effort defensively.

by iowa plowboy on Mar 12, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kansas Connnection

Lots of good players outta Kansas and Kansas Stae, JoJo White, Paul Pierce, Chalmers, Beasley and Walker. Seems to be a Kansas-Celtic connection lots of times. Never really nothing coming out of Missouri though – just a lot of hot air mostly. ;-0

Walker is/will be the new TA and he is stronger.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 12, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I dont think Marbury’s defense is worse than Mikke Moore at this point. On the other hand, he did stink on offense.

by tmak26b on Mar 12, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

When Moore is Less.

Mikki looks like a nice fellow, despite my tat revulsion. But he is one thin dude. Those arms are skinnier than the legs of a guy named Keon Clark who played for Orlando for awhile. Tall and skinny scares nobody in the NBA. Give me Leon or Big Baby or Scal for those minutes anyday.

by Wildblu1 on Mar 12, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Tall and skinny?

…I remember one tall and skinny dude that some people think is pretty good. Guy named… Kevin something.

by DRJ1 on Mar 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that one

but if you aren’t Kevin Garnett you better have a little beef.

by Wildblu1 on Mar 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have always liked jamario moon. miami benefits in the big trade getting moon. what has happened to toronto which has nosedived, and really never utilized moon to his fullest? i agree wholeheaetedly with drj1 about the c’s style being affected themost by the refs. i remember watching the detroit bad boys, in particular, rodman and they got away with murder-same with riley’s knicks. and about missouri not giving the c’s anything- easy ed played at st.louis u. and jo jo was a great st. louey high school star.

by nazzbo on Mar 12, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with everything you said. Pierce has submitted 2 no shows in a row and moore and marbury don’t look good so far. Moore is way too soft for my liking .I still believe Marbury will play better but we might all have unrealistic expectations for him as far as scoring etc.I was a big Gabe Pruitt fan but last night he again turned the ball over and made careless mistakes. I’m afraid he is playing himself off this team. Walker looked good. It makes me wonder how bad Jr Giddens must be not to get in last night’s game/ I don’t see him on the team next year

by Red2 on Mar 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Pierce Doesn't Have "No Shows"

He plays as hard as he can every night. Last nite the defense was stacked against him and he was mugged even before every possession without a call from the refs. He was also mugged going to the basket. But he tried to make plays for others. Also, we don’t know his physical status because he won’t say if he’s hurt or not.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird

by TrueGreen on Mar 12, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

mario chalmers anyone?

he was there for the taking but we went with good old hold out Jr Giddnes who’s played maybe 5 minutes this year. Bad move danny

by Red2 on Mar 12, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Mikki had some moments ...

Mikki played a very bad game vs the Heat, has been bad on defense, and has been mostly so-so in everything else.

But let’s not forget that he was part of the team on the floor that made that big rally against Orlando last Sunday. I think he gave the team some energy during that spurt.

by TheGreenThumb on Mar 12, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

A Walk On The Bright Side

The Theory Of 5: There are 15 players on the roster. 5 are out due to injury. 5 are [2 players who don’t have a clue yet, 2 rookies, 1 2nd year player without much experience], and 5 know what they are doing (with 2 of the 5 being role players). Doc knew 5 minutes before the Orlando game that Rondo couldn’t play and Marbury had 5 minutes thinking about being a starter. Yet—-we almost won two games with this arrangement. Ray is looking at this on the positive side. Oh yeah, in the supposedly easy schedule at the end of the year we have a stretch where we will play 5 games in 7 days and will be in the air (planes) more time than we are on the ground.
Looks grim, BUT……….

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird

by TrueGreen on Mar 12, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

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