Doc-vs.-Referee-gate Continues

Refs angered....

Cool, I bet we get a fair shake in the playoffs this year.

by liamail on Mar 20, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions

The only thing I’m worried about is that payback can be a ….problem… Somewhere down the line, an official may just make a crucial bad call just to get back at Doc Rivers.

by johnnymost on Mar 20, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions

How would we know the difference? It is not like that has not happened already.

by NoraG1 on Mar 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe hopefully the league will now keep an eye on Celtics games to make there can be no accusations of no payback calls.

by twinbree on Mar 20, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

This sucks. The refs already seem to have a bad attitude toward the Cs. You can't

tell me this won’t subconsciously make the even more likely to blow the whistle against Perk for being within 3 feet of a play. And you know they’ll be looking to t up Doc every chance they get to try to prove a point. This sucks.

The NBA is like pro wrestling at this point. Dwayne Wade can carry the ball to the hoop like a football — 2, 3 steps, the refs don’t notice or care. Shaq and Dwight Howard can shoulder slam their way to the hoop, no whistle. Chris Paul can LITERALLY hold the ball in his up-turned palm for a 1 beat, but they’ll never call a carry on him. But every other time Perk makes a clean block, the whistles blow.

by Cousin It on Mar 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions

Just to reiterate: This sucks.

by Cousin It on Mar 20, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

The NBA is like pro wrestling at this point. Dwayne Wade can carry the ball to the hoop like a football — 2, 3 steps, the refs don’t notice or care. Shaq and Dwight Howard can shoulder slam their way to the hoop, no whistle. Chris Paul can LITERALLY hold the ball in his up-turned palm for a 1 beat, but they’ll never call a carry on him.

……or Paul Pierce traveling about every other time he has the ball in his hands and getting called for it about once every other game..Or jumping into a defender and never getting called….or the relentless flopping Paul, Powe, and the C’s do on both ends of the court. (I’m sure glad that ole’ flopping issue has been addressed….) We benefit from some of these calls and non calls through Paul also. Not to mention the silly makeup calls from the gazillion bad calls that are made on one end of the court.

The sad part is that what Cousin it is saying is absolutely right. These games are being officiated in such a bizarre manner that Donaghy….and any other NBA official can hide in plain sight and manipulate the results of games for years without anyone ever knowing the difference.

Until attendance suffers and Stern attributes it directly to officiating hurting the credibility of the game, we could put Earl Hebner in the place of Bill Kennedy and nobody would know the difference.

by Finkelskyhook on Mar 21, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions

Apparantly refs like a few star players don’t think they should ever be ‘punicshed’ These refs are ridiculous. I don’t know how they can condone what that ref did.

by NoraG1 on Mar 20, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

Apparently ‘goading’ coaches is following the rules according to the refs in the article. Wow.

by NoraG1 on Mar 20, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions

Goading could just be...

… looking at the coach in a stern fashion to show them that they are pushing it…

Doc shouldn’t have publicly said how stupid the ref is, though. Didn’t he learn that before when he got fined $15,000… Cmon now.

$25,000 is kinda pushing it though…

by AlexC on Mar 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

NBA refs ‘egos are getting out of hand. Thats what happens when there’s little to no accountability for your job performance.

by twinbree on Mar 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions

Tommy has you all well trained

:)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions

Hehe.

I love Tommy <3

by AlexC on Mar 20, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes

But the problem is that Tommy is right most of the time. He will admit a mistake if it’s shown on a replay and he’ll say he couldn’t see a play (probably because Doc was blocking his view). Mike Gorman might be more objective, but even he often sees it the same way as Tommy. Sooo, whatever Tommy says works for me. He’s earned that respect the “old fashioned way”.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Mar 20, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

So it's against the rules for NBA players and coaches to speak badly about refs to the media...

…but it’s absolutely fine for the referees to defame Doc Rivers to the press?

by CelticsWhat35 on Mar 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions

Whatever -

Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Mar 20, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

any Beatles reference is worth a rec in my book

Good stuff, mcpu40.

Good to see you around more often as of late – we’d missed ya there for a while.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 20, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

this year seems to be the c’s vs. the refs. i guess mr. jackson and crew do not like a team that plays tough defense.

by nazzbo on Mar 20, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions

Just further Proof that Stearn has No Control of his Referees

That article by the ‘ref union’ is absolute BS. They should be fined for speaking out negatively towards Doc.

by D Dub on Mar 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

They had better be it is only fair that they be fined if Doc is fined for criticising the refs.

by NoraG1 on Mar 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Does anyone have video of this little spat?

I was at a bar when it happened, and I didn’t catch the circumstances behind the ejection. After reading the article it kind of seems like a he-said she-said type thing.

by Rocci1212 on Mar 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions

and of course....

REFS ARE NEVER WRONG……………………………………………..BS

by marcinjp9 on Mar 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions

So, now the refs are coming after us in the playoffs. Is that it?

I hate this league. It’s run by criminals.

by a tommy point on Mar 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions

What if...

the refs are extra conscious now of not giving the bad calls to the C’s because they want to seem unbiased and giving the C’s another bogus call would look like payback?

Might be a stretch, I know.

by MoneyBagsBob on Mar 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions

their heads will go back in the sand

mcpu40 thanks for making my day!!

by Fastbreak1 on Mar 20, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder????

How much do you get fined as a coach if you say to the ref " If you made your point spread yet then layoff the whistle"

More than 25K?

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 20, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

That might be a question to ask Jeff Van Gundy.

by Finkelskyhook on Mar 21, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions

REFS SUCK

I have done a bit of googling around the blogosphere lately to see if we’re whiners or winners when it comes to REF SUCKS complaints. This year, more than half the blogs I scoped, including all the top contenders, had enough complaints about the refs to make them easy to find. After a while I noticed that most of the complaints were either “inconsistent from quarter to quarter and just bogus calls” or “star treatment”.

The REFS SUCK this year, and on review, i don’t remember this many ref problems last year. We shouldn’t have to prove they’re bad, Stern should have to prove they’re any good!

by jyrecelts on Mar 20, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions