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 Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts 
  R. Allen G 35:37 7-13 3-7 3-4 +23 1 3 6 3 2 0 1 1 20 
  R. Rondo G 29:53 4-9 0-1 1-2 +15 1 7 10 2 0 0 0 1
  K. Perkins C 25:53 4-6 0-0 1-2 +16 2 5 0 2 0 2 0 3
  P. Pierce F 29:48 2-6 0-2 2-4 +15 0 6 3 3 1 0 0 1
  K. Garnett F 17:07 5-7 0-0 0-0 +8 0 4 0 0 1 2 0 0 10 
 Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts 
  G. Davis 29:21 8-11 0-0 8-9 +14 1 5 1 2 1 0 1 4 24 
  M. Moore 20:37 1-2 0-0 0-0 +2 1 3 2 0 1 1 0 3
  E. House 18:31 5-10 4-9 1-2 +1 0 3 2 1 0 0 0 1 15 
  S. Marbury 18:12 1-3 0-1 0-0 +3 0 1 4 3 0 0 0 0
  B. Walker 10:14 3-4 0-0 0-0 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
  G. Pruitt 4:43 1-2 0-0 0-0 -3 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0
  L. Powe DNP - Coach's Decision
 Totals 41-73 7-20 16-23 7 38 30 16 6 5 2 16 105

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Everyone posterizes Darko. The guy who impressed me was Bill Walker. If he develops a consistent jumper, watch out.

by Brickowski on Mar 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of Walker

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 21, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

BBD is actually showing some hops, as shown on 2 dunks tonight, as though by watchin’ Billy as he couldn’t do that last year… I suspect he has droped 10-14lbs and worked his legs more off season, perhaps… Solid effort both ways from “the toddler” lol

Indefatigable on Defence defines these Celtics~

by fan33 on Mar 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

CSN was messed up

I couldn’t watch the game… The whole time the screen was just a frozen shot of the previous program. I have CSN on Comcast in Vermont… Anyone else have problems?

by Ryan Gomes Phone Home on Mar 21, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

i know it’s only the grizz, but this looked like the team earlier in the year going on long winning streaks. mikki was terrible tho,being pushed all over the floor. eddie has been steady and adding marbury has helped him. and very quietly, ray just plays; scores, passes, defends and oozes class. and kg looks very good.

by nazzbo on Mar 21, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

yep, and Walker scored the same amount in 10 min. without having a play called for him.LOL

I agree with Brick that Bill Walker is gonna be a player in 2- 3 yrs once the Big 3 are on the decline and we start calling plays for Walker, he is just too good to be a bench player.

I even think that this team is set post big 3….We can still compete with Rondo, Perk, BBD and Walker as our main core.and in fact. If doc plays his cards right, these 4 will even lengthen the careers of RA, PP and KG as their minutes should only be in the 30-34 min range in the regular season.

Baby Davis is lighting it up since the KG injury and he just picked up where he left off when he himself got injured……Davis has just more from him offensive arsenal than Powe, though Powe is a better rebounder at this stage in their career, but BBD will improve in that area as the yrs go by.

by bopna on Mar 22, 2009 5:50 AM EDT reply actions  

He had one dunk

No longer a fan of Walker’s really unless there is something else that everybody saw that I didn’t.

What did he do?

by richardlight on Mar 22, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

He made two 18-20 ft. jumpers and looked fluid and confident in doing so. He defended well.

by Brickowski on Mar 22, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

BBD

I am very happy to see BBD seems to be working on conditioning (looks to be at his fittest since joining the Celts, whether that is from conditioning or weight loss, I can’t tell). Maybe he needed to be pushed from below…and Walker looks to be the one doing the pushing. Hope it is not too late, and that they will both be back next year…but Baby better stay with the program over the summer….

by thirstyboots18 on Mar 22, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

The best sign of that sequence was the aftermath.

No chest pounding. No taunting. Walker may be growing up. If so, he will be a solid NBA player.

by iowa plowboy on Mar 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

BBD is just as big he was last year.

His weight concerns were nothing more than uninformed message board fodder. No offense but, this is the guys body type. We should probably deal with it and move on although I’m sure his next bad game someone will notice ’ he seems to have packed on a few more lbs ’…

'We circle all the games' - KG

by Birdbrain on Mar 22, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

A Work In Progress

BBD may look to be out of shape because of his size. I agree with Birdbrain that much of the appearance is due to body type. But, he’s playing big minutes, his footwork is as graceful as smaller players and he is still a work in progress. I don’t know all the facts such as %body fat and I don’t know his weight. But BBD can be a formidable player as he is now. I think a good comparison would be Perk. Perk came in with alot of baby fat and over the years has transformed his body to help in play at his best and to avoid injuries (plantar fasciaitis).
BBD, with help, will also figure out what conditioning he needs to do to be his best. Also players have to change as they go along. This year Paul Pierce lost alot of weight over the summer and changed his diet to accommodate his age. He did this in order to play at the highest level he expected of himself. Guys coming to the NBA know nothing of this stuff. They need to learn about it on the job. BBD is in a great situation with many role models to help him improve on his conditioning as needed. I really think this is a non-issue because it’s being dealt with.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Mar 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know...

…where Davis will get to in terms of body sculpting, but you are homogenizing every NBA player into somne uniform personality that is susceptible to the same motivations and demeanor…

Davis is not Perkins, and neither is Paul Pierce – they are unique individuals that operate off of their own internals and external motivations…assuming what’s true for one person will be true for another is bad position to take.

We’ll see where Davis takes his body from here, but to say its his “body type” is ignoring the 25lb spare tire around his waist – that needs to go if he’s ever going to be the best Glen Davis he can be – doesn’t mean he has to look like Mr. Universe, but you gotta be under 10% body fat as a pro basketball player or else you are just hurting yourself.

Great game from Davis regardless…though the guy that said the team was “set” post GPA is either 16 years old or simply projecting from his heart…

by BillfromBoston on Mar 22, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point there are some that still post about Paul being overweight.

'We circle all the games' - KG

by Birdbrain on Mar 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

BBD's Development

A few months ago I was of the opinion that BBD was not going to make it with this team. He’s now made himself a major part of this team. In a post game interview last nite he credited this to “growing up”. With Doc being criticized for not playing Walker, Giddens and Pruitt (because it limits their development) BBD has shown how players can be developed on this team. The credit shouldn’t go to Doc alone, but to a multitude of factors starting with the player himself. He must be receptive to critique and must be willing to work hard. In BBD’s case support has come from KG, Clifford Ray and all of his teammates. There also needs to be a basic talent level to begin with.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Mar 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Right you are, truegreen...

in two months, BBD has matured visibly on the court, becoming a dependable 18’ jump-shooter, becoming a strong finisher at the rim, becoming a dependable defensive presence whether replacing Perk, KG, or Leon…

He also continues to develop his low post passing skills, dishing sweet at least once or twice a game when he draws the D near the rim. his timing is dramatically improved since the early season, and the techs and OF’s for moving screens has dropped sharply.

credit goes to Doc for playing him, Cliff Ray for teaching him, Tom Thibs for using KG as his mouthpiece when communicating with BBD, and of couse, Glenn Davis for showing up and pouring his heart and soul into the challenge.

by jyrecelts on Mar 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

lets not lose the facts here...

Davis has clearly developed his jumper and his confidence is very high right now – but he is not a “strong finisher” around the hoop on the whole and his defense at the PF position still has limitations due to his size.

Being “quick for his size” doesn’t make him quick for his position. He is more of a C/PF than he is a PF/C at this point – but you take development one step at a time. He’s mastering his set jumper, which will give him more options to play with offensively.

Starting with a base is the most essential element to sticking in the league – you don’t want to be inconsistently brilliant all over the map, you need a repertoire to expand from – Davis has the 15-17 footer now.

Now, he can start working on shot fakes and using his great footwork to dribble drive toward the basket and read the play – he can spin into a layup or hook, stop and pop on a single dribble shot, (this will take practice) and even go straight toward the hoop if the help D is late.

He still needs to work on his body and become a more mobile player so he can consistently play the 4 on both sides of the court – he’s never going to be a pure post player because of his lack of length and lift, but he can take 4’s on the block situationally with a bit more speed – especially with a fall-away jumper off the spin from his off-shoulder.

That set jumper is everything when it comes to building his offensive game – but there are many steps to come before he “arrives” as the player his skill set can support.

by BillfromBoston on Mar 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are a multitude of examples...

of player development on this team over the past 2 years – Perk, Rondo, Powe, Davis are the most obvious because of their experience level and roles, but Ray and Paul have developed areas of their game as have the little used Pruitt and Bill Walker….

Playing in an environment with support and knowledge of the “right way” to play fosters superior learning to simply going out and trying to figure things out on your own – however, being able to apply your game to real game situations is also highly valuable.

The lessons the young players are learning in the “classroom” of this team is hard to calculate, but we wont see the fruits of that knowledge in its totality until the players are afforded a role on the court that allows them to experiment and develop those lessons in action.

by BillfromBoston on Mar 22, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perk, Rondo, Powe, Big Baby - credit to many

I’m excited for the franchise because of the combination of Danny’s ability to SPOT talent, the system approach to DEVELOPING talented role players, and the big three’s work ethic-team first-vocal leadership PRESENCE are a winning formula. Other teams have one or two of those things but we’ve got a template for success going forward. I’m certain the dark days will not return for a long time.

As for Big Baby, I disagree with Bill from Boston. I’m not sure that Big Baby gets better minus 25 lbs. That big arse has served a purpose against his height deficiency defending on the blocks. Take away 25 lbs and he’s also still without the height.

by Wildblu1 on Mar 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

WHAT ABOUT MIKKI MOORE??!!

he needs to find his groove and fast….still waiting on marbury….have a feeling he’ll be ok…moore tho….??

by CELTICZ4LIFE on Mar 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Moore needs to be like Leon and always have his hands ready to catch blind passes. He is like superman, hands of steel! He is terrible on defense, but I would rather see him shoot a jumper than Big Baby for some reason. I know Big Baby’s been making them, but the thought of him hoisting jumpshots with 2 minutes left in the game will always haunt me.

Big Baby is very quick for a PF. I think he is actually faster than Leon in a full out sprint. He also outsprinted Gooden & Kurt Thomas clearly against the Spurs

by tmak26b on Mar 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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