Superman Is Enough
by Jeff Clark on Mar 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT
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Celtics come up just short. Big game by Dwight Howard.
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| Starters | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| R. Allen | G | 34:43 | 6-14 | 2-7 | 2-2 | -2 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 16 |
| R. Rondo | G | 26:30 | 4-11 | 0-0 | 1-1 | +2 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 9 |
| K. Perkins | C | 34:40 | 5-7 | 0-0 | 1-1 | +4 | 4 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 11 |
| P. Pierce | F | 43:51 | 10-23 | 1-4 | 5-6 | +2 | 1 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 26 |
| K. Garnett | F | 16:31 | 2-5 | 0-0 | 0-0 | -10 | 3 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| Bench | Min | FG | 3Pt | FT | +/- | Off | Reb | Ast | TO | Stl | BS | BA | PF | Pts | |
| G. Davis | 33:27 | 2-5 | 0-0 | 2-4 | +10 | 1 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 6 | |
| E. House | 17:26 | 3-7 | 1-4 | 1-1 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | |
| M. Moore | 11:18 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 0-0 | -8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | |
| S. Marbury | 6:21 | 0-2 | 0-1 | 0-0 | -4 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| B. Walker | 3:12 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | -4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | |
| Totals | 33-76 | 4-16 | 12-15 | 12 | 47 | 14 | 18 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 19 | 82 | |||
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they thought they won the championship lol
full strength celtics WILL take them easily
They had Streamers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
maybe they'll put up a banner
for that Division title
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Yup. That banner will be up there next season.
This is my end and my new beginning Nostalgia/Alpha and Omega places, it's like a glitch in the matrix/I seen it at all, did it all, most of y'all been pop for a minute/Spitters, sinners and the game get rid of y'all/Y'all got there but y'all didn't get it all, I want my style back/Hate to cease y'all plan it's the rap repo-man - Nas
The Magic drop streamers after every home win. They weren't treating the Celtics special.
by Evan Dunlap on Mar 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
excuses
The “we are not at full strength” excuse needs to stop. It sounds a lot like the Lakers fans of last season. We are good enough to beat this and most teams with the guys out there at the end. Why didn’t we? Because we pass the ball like an undisciplined high school team in the half court sets. Make a simple pass instead of a specatular turnover and we would have had 5-6 more possesions in the 4th quarter alone. That has nothing to do with KG, Powe, or Scal being out.
Great win
Magic played their type of basketball for the majority of the game. Great inside game by Dwight and some solid outside shooting as well. Turk changed his game a bit by taking it to the hole. I’m sure that’s good to see as Magic fan.
The Magic had streamers when they beat us last year as well. It was a great win for them and would have been a great win for us. But this game showed that both these teams can battle. If these two teams meet in the playoffs, it’ll be fun to watch.
Here is my biased opinion. Stop reading if you don’t want to hear it – Wouldn’t it have been more interesting had KG been involved down the stretch? How bout in the 4th? Howard doesn’t have nearly as many rebounds with KG there and Turk isn’t taking it to the hole as much. I’d like to see that game and maybe we will see that game in the playoffs.
End note – the Magic are NOT a championship team this year. Not saying they won’t be in the future, but this is not their year. They were a few points (in total) away from being swept by the Celtics. I am still as confident as I was prior to this game – Celtics would win a 7 game series.
christ,
would you guys stop already? we were missing our all-star point guard in 3 out of the 4 games we played you. the first time the teams met the two starting backcourts were rondo/allen vs. johnson/redick.
so please, spare me.
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Exactly
the turnover issue is exactly on the money. almost all of the losses this year could have been avoided by taking better care of the ball. A team with this much veteran leadership should not be making this many turnovers in a game.
Yes, But
The refs cost us at least the chance to win the game at the end with incredible non calls. They could call a foul for the Magics which put them up by one, but they couldn’t call very clear fouls on Howard, both on Pierce( one an illegal pick, one on Pierce’s last layup attempt).
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
The refs
are not an argument or excuse anymore. They’re very, very bad. We understand that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped making calls for the Celtics. I would also not be surprised if they made every call for the Celtics. They’re just that inconsistent and frustrating. It’s this way all around the league. I’ve said this the entire season, home court is important not for the crowd but for the refs. As shown last night, one call can make a win or loss difference. At the Garden, there’s a very good chance Pierce’s last drive is a foul. On the Magic’s home court it wasn’t. I’m not saying whethor or not I thought it was a foul, just commenting on how easily swayed the refs are during an emotional game.
True but...
remember the last game against the magic in boston how Lewis got to the line with 30secs left on a cheap foul off the ball? A foul where he created the contact and then flailed his arms until he got the refs attention. How do they justify making that call in that situation and not making the call for PP when he clearly got hit on a lay up (not off the ball like Lewis) with seconds left? I understand the refs are terrible but I just don’t buy the ‘home court’ stuff. They consistantly make bad calls against the C’s at the most important times. How many games have we won by getting to the line or getting a call? I can’t seem to remember that many of them but I sure remember the ones we lost on a bad call or in this case a ‘good no-call’ as the stupid ESPN announcers called it.
Magic fans should be really really bummed out
That’s twice its gone to the wire with half a Celtics team for the Magic.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Is it possible to win a game on the road
With the officials in the NBA? Also since Doc pissed off the criminals (a lot of NBA refs are convicted criminals), we will never get any calls.
Can we bring back Patrick O’Bryant for Mikki Moore? Where is the Glen Davis for all star vote now?
We Don't Even Get Calls At Home
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Nice run towards the end
This what they needed to do earlier, but guess they couldn’t have a answer for Howard. I would really liked a win in Orlando still, we could have won with KG playing more minutes. I wonder how long Doc will shorten them maybe till the playoffs?
Mikki Moore?
Maybe he was a mistake. Just awful. And how long before Marbury starts complaining about playing time? I hope not, but you have to wonder.
KG
I pray to high heaven that Simmons mounts a campaign against Doc Rivers for his unmitigated failure with this KG situation. This limited minutes crap is indefensible.
MetroGlobe are you serious?
Don’t confuse a regular season game with the playoffs. this was a great game, well played and well coached.
by The Village Idiot on Mar 25, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How did he fail? Subs? Plays? What specifically should he have done that he didn’t do (within reason)?
by The Village Idiot on Mar 25, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
TVI!
Where ya been, good fella?
We’ve missed you ’round these parts.
And by the way, agreed completely re: KG.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If Doc failed
it had nothing to do with KG (maybe not defending the perimeter, a point Steve also raised). Village idiot had it right about this being a regular season game. No way do we risk KG
regular season lays the groudwork for the post season
If regular season games don’t count, then let’s just sit out the rest of the year and show up in the playoffs. The regular season games lay the groundwork for post season play. Very few teams in NBA history play significantly better in the post season after closing the season with such mediocrity. Yes, it has happened, especially the year after the first championship (LAL and Houston come to mind).
Yes, there were two horrible calls from the refs which significantly contributed to the outcome. However, 19 turnovers didn’t help either. RR is still playing hurt and walking up the court too often.
If we drop to 3rd seed come playoff time, we’ll have an uphill battle the whole way through. Yes, if we are healthy, we are incomparably the best. But healthy players still need enough games together to have rhythm during the playoffs.
by Berkeley1297 on Mar 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally Disagree With You On This
You don’t take chances with KG. Also, I don’t think he’s in good enough game shape to play more minutes than he has been. Doc is doing exactly the right thing with KG.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Marbury Sucks
That’s all I can say— again. I puke whenever the team shills talk about how he will help them in the playoffs (like Ainge on WEEI today).
He won’t. Deal with it.
I'd say he was far from my biggest issue tonight, Brick
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
well sure, they had other issues
like defending open threes. Rotations were late.
Plus Pierce did not have a good first half
Plus the starters squandered Garnett’s stint in the 3rd quarter. KG never got the ball.
BUT
Having said all of that, Marbury;‘s complete lack of production is debilitating. Look at his plus/minus. When he’s in there, it’s like the team is wearing leg weights..
Bring back Gabe Pruitt!!
And while we’re at it, let’s bring back Patrick O’Bryant too.
Lastly.. if I hear one more time drivel like “well, we just have to wait until Marbury gets his basketball legs..” one more time, I’ll throw up. Marbury is finished. He has no more basketball legs to get.
would it have killed doc
2 put kg in for the last 2 minutes!!?? doc blew it big time..what point was he trying to prove by sticking to his script!!??
MIKKI MOORE IS HORRIBLE…he hurtz this team in a bad way-
Guys on radio were going on tonight about KG being hurt again
Was listening in the third quarter and they were going on that KG couldn’t run, was dragging his leg, was grimacing and having a hard time getting up the court, and asking why Doc did not take him out. I do not know what to make of this, but just reporting what I heard.
I Agree...
Put KG back in for the last two minutes and I think he makes a huge difference. I call BS on the noncall when Pierce was fouled by Howard when going to the basket. If that had been Queen Jane or Bryant, instant foul call. The whistle would have been preblown just to let everyone know what was going down.
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Here comes the mob...
Can you guarantee that we woul dhave won had KG played the last two minutes? And what if we’d won with him getting hurt again?
by The Village Idiot on Mar 25, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
What if
a hole opened up under the O’Rena and swallowed up half of Orlando. It’s called speculation. Something that happens a lot after a close loss.
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
and if the game ends up tied at regulation?
Should Doc run KG out there for the overtime, too?
At what point is it reasonable to draw the line on overextending a star player (and our best defender) in a late March game?
I’ve got about a zillion complaints about the Celtics’ play in this game. I’ve got zero about Doc’s handling of KG.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
3 chances
Down by 2 with 3.8 seconds. They had 3 chances to run a play, and at least get fouled. They couldn’t even execute a decent play. Guaranteed: With KG in there the defense plays differently and increases the chance for an open shooter or an easy layup. Maybe they win. Maybe they don’t. But KG’s presence GUARANTEED changes the way the defense plays.
by Berkeley1297 on Mar 25, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando Had A Foul To Waste
The Magic had a foul to waste in the last two minutes and gave it. Orlando had many more fouls near the end that were not called. 2 were by Howard and I think Hedo should have been teched for his foul to give on Pierce. He hit Pierce in the face while bringing up his arm. Couldn’t see what happened on the last second shot.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
KG not happy
He is not happy for two reasons: 1) he wanted to play but couldn’t get in and 2) the team lost another winnable game. But he was about half a step slower than before in help defense.
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It is getting alarming: PP scored lots of points and the team still could not win — back to the old days? I hope not.
REFS
Alecquaid, you’re totally right. So many weird calls and lots of missed calls. Turkoglu held Pierce the whole fourth quarter but he was still too good, but not good enough. Marbury was pretty bad and KG should have been put in at the end. Even a little layup would send it into overtime and we had momentum going our way.
I wonder how Magic fans felt
about Turkoglu being on the receiving end of third-degree assault going into the final media timeout…and the Magic getting the ball under the basket out of bounds rather than two foul shots. Or Baby having his heel in the restricted area on the charge he drew from Gortat.
There were missed calls, sure. But they went both ways. Seems worth noting.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly.
turk got thrown into the bottom of the basket. no call.
refs are never consistent, and they weren’t the reason the celts lost last night, sorry.
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Am I the only one...
…who thinks this was a great game well played and well coached? The fact that the
Celts came back from 16 down to almost win with KG playing limited minutes should make any Celtic fan proud. Imagine if we’re at full strenght.
by The Village Idiot on Mar 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
I'll agree that I liked the resilience late in the third and at times in the fourth,
and I share your feelings about Doc and KG, TVI. But I had some issues with the team’s inability to guard the three-point line and a lot of the sloppiness offensively.
Howard was excellent. I tip my cap to him for his performance.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a terribly played game myself, the celts had no sense of urgency and didnt play 48 minutes, more like 12…yes they have heart, but they lost the game
9 more regular season games, and still turning it over 18 times? please
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 26, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought kg looked slow all game abd out of position. I wonder if its stamina or if he’s still hurt. I just don’t see us getting it together in time to make a serious run. rondo is still hurt. kg ishurt, scal, ton, leon etc and mikki moore and marubury look lost out there… just too many obstacles to overcome. and with all that we lose by two and the refs swallow their whistles again. pierce got hit so mnay times it wasn’t funny
nice game though
Still was a nice game.. Down 50-66 midway through the 3rd qtr but still they came back and outscored Orlanod 32-18 the rest of the way! At full strength this team is no other way going but up..
Lets GO KELTICS!!!
BEAT LA!!!
"The Boston Celtics is not just a basketball team, it's a way of life" - William Fulton Russell
We got lucky with PJ and Sam last year. No such luck this time. I am not about to write off Marbury yet, but Moore is not helping except he did knock down a few shots.
moore hit one shot…has trouble with what looks like easy rebounds to grab
he can hit the mid-range but is hesitant…
by CELTICZ4LIFE on Mar 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t know what to make of KG anymore….maybe he is hurt….maybe he is out of shape…i think the injuries will be the thing that gets boston beat in the playoffs
by celticinorlando on Mar 25, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Top 5 Reasons we lost
5.) RR and BBD played an uncharacteristically poor game
4.) Mikki Moore is Less and less and PO is hurt
3.) KG has only a few minutes
2.) We were sloppy with ball and refused to drive to the basket and settled for many jumpers
1.) PP took off the first half and part of the third quarter on offense. not sure why but lately he has seemed in low gear last 4 games.
Is it Soup Yet?
I'd submit that we also took most of the game off from guarding the three-point line
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
luck?
it wasnt luck last year.. they just tried their best and worked their butt off to be able to win 17.. This year they’re just lots of injuries and its still the reg. season.. Doc’s biding time and wants to make sure that come playoff time they’re ready..
Lets GO KELTICS!!!
BEAT LA!!!
"The Boston Celtics is not just a basketball team, it's a way of life" - William Fulton Russell
hope you are right…but it is hard just to pull the switch
by celticinorlando on Mar 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many Turnovers...suprised?
Big win for Orlando, poor performance by the celtics even though they made it interesting (more like orlando tried to give us the game)
Marbury and Moore arent helping us, more like hurting us
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 25, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting thought about Marbury ..
Maybe, just maybe, he is the kind of players who need to play with an attitude in order to perform. All of a sudden, we are asking him to be a model citizen which he is not used to. He looked timid, tentative and out of place out there.
Moore is terrible
I never imagined this man would be this bad
sigh
Bring back Powe. please
It was a fun game to watch. I also thought KG looked a little slow at times. He didn’t seem to have the fire in him that is typical for him. But whatever. Not that big of a deal. We didn’t play very well and still lost by two. I’ll settle for third in the east.
What I found interesting however was that Doc didn’t play Marbury in the second half, and Moore made the stupid foul on Lewis and was immediately removed from the game. Wow. That’s the kind of coaching he typically does with the younger players. So it makes me wonder what’s going on there. One game fluke? Is he getting frustrated with both Marbury and Moore?
Marbury sucks
Marbury didn’t play the 2nd half: that’s one good move by Doc. Marbury has yet to contribute positively to the flow of the game. Maybe he should stay home and watch hundreds of hours of film. RR and BBD are still somewhat hurt, but for the most part they know where to expect to find their teammates.
Mikki Moore would be better used to come in and get 5 quick fouls against the opponents worst free throw shooter to try and disrupt their offense. Then he can sit down until the next game.
by Berkeley1297 on Mar 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!
…Better hug the wife and kiss the kids goodbye.
(rolls eyes)
Come on, good people of CB!
C-H-I-L-L.
by Amager Celtic Fan on Mar 26, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
ACF to the rescue
:-D
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I really think Doc is strategically holding out for the playoffs. Whether or not that is a good move I don’t know. I really can’t assess this team yet because everything just seems to out of whack and then suddenly everything’s going smoothly. It’s possible that things will eventually click but I’m not sure. I don’t want to say it’s unlikely, but that word is slowly creeping up in the back of my mind. To be continued…
Except I dont see alot of people saying the sky is falling…and no its not…
But the celtics are turning into the pistons…they literally didnt give a crap tonight, or at least tried to act like they dont give a crap, I dont know, playing 48 minutes would make me feel better, not just show up for 12
KG looked awful, not only in the game, but on the bench where he was basically holding back from cussing everyone out and looked annoyed as hell and wasnt showing a whole lot of support
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 26, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Bulletin board material for the Celtics
“I want to know how some teams get on the list, where they get excuses and other teams are not on that list. All I’ve been hearing about is all the injury problems the Celtics have had this year,” Van Gundy said.
The smugness trickles down from the coaches to the players.
um not really…hes right…its annoying
The celtics play harder and they win, bottom line…we’’re turning into a bunch of sissies with laker-like exccuses
are starting line-up is intact, 2 of our worst players are out with injury…I mean stop the excuses
orlando beat us, fair and square, it was a big for them…and by the way the 2 times we beat them this sewason, they were injured and we werent
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 26, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Our starting lineup is intact?
Garnett is still playing on a weak knee and is playing a little more than 15 minutes a game
Rondo has had an ankle sprain for about a month and sprained the other last night
Ray Allen hyperextended his right elbow a week ago
Two of our worst players are out with injru? — While I am no Scalabrine fan, he has been playing extremely effective basketball. Leon Powe has been playing like a beast and Tony Allen appeared to be getting his act together right before he got hurt.
Only think I can say for Orlando is that their starting point guard is out for the year.
Try this — Have Kobe only play 15 minute a game, give Derek Fisher two sprained ankles, and take two Laker bench players and put them on the injured list. How well would the Lakers do?
What happens with Home Court Advantage now?
It still depends on the number 2 seed, right?
If we end up with a better record than Orlando we won’t need the tiebreaker to determine home court advantage…?
The only issue is if we finish with the same record isn’t it?
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Mar 26, 2009 3:01 AM EDT reply actions
give em time
just relax guys the celtics lost by 2 n the team best player played under 20 mins….once garnett is at full strengh the celtics will ok…..plus with marbury its going to take more time he isnt in game shape yet
Yawn…Whos to say Garnett will ever be 100%…
and marbury? he stinks
by TheAncientRivalry on Mar 26, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions
To me it says....
Goaltending. That ball is still on the rim yet the whistles remain at the refs side.
of course.
i love boston fans. you’ve never lost a legit game in your life.
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the refs did not cost us the game. there were plenty of noncalls that benefitted the c’s as well. in a low foul game, miiki picks up a fast 5- he stunk, stank, whatever, and marbury had glue on his feet. they missed powe big time. baby played very well and deserves a lot of credit. too much watching pp at the end and no ball movement and good d from orlando.
The Refs
I think they called a consistent game up till the end. They let both sides play, which is fine. Then they took the floor with Orlando at the end and cost us any chance of winning on very clear fouls that weren’t called.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Like the Turkoglu play or the Gortat charged referenced above?
Come on.
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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
by Steve Weinman on Mar 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I Was Going To Stay Away From Here Today
The C’s played poorly last nite. The Magic probably played at their best. Still we had a chance to win, but the refs DENIED us that chance at the end of the game. They called a foul for one of the Magics and he made 1 of 2 to give them a 1 point lead. They didn’t call a foul on Howard for an illegal pick on Pierce and they didn’t call a foul on Howard when Pierce went to the basket right at the end. I didn’t see Pierce’s shot at the very end so I don’t know if he was fouled or not.
The Magic are trying to show how tough they are. The had a foul to give in the last two minutes and gave it on the C’s possession that started with about 6 sec on the clock. It was a hard foul, close to dirty, not tough, when all that was needed was for Turkeglu (?spell) to hold Pierce’s arm or shirt. But Hedo brought his arm up into Pierce’s face. They could have called a tech on that, but didn’t.
And what about the non call when Pierce got his defender in the air and shot while he was coming down into him.
In these types of games I usually say the C’s deserved to lose, but last nite they at least deserved the chance to win. “Criminally Negligent Officiating”
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
is this post serious?
how about that b.s. charge they called on gortat when perkins foot was CLEARLY on the restricted line?
or when turkoglu got raped going to the basket in the final minutes up 1, no call. and the ensuing possession where the ball was clearly tipped off the celts?
i have seen paul pierce get more garbage calls by flinging himself into people in late game situations than anyone in the league. didn’t happen last night- his shit got blocked, game over.
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Yes, Very Serious
when turkoglu got raped going to the basket in the final minutes up 1, no call.
Yes, that was a foul, he didn’t get raped, but pushed or moved. And that was on the SAME play that Howard was NOT called for an illegal pick. The broadcasters I was listening to assumed the non call on Turkolu was to pay off for the non call on Howard. If the correct call was called on Howard the play would have and should have been over and the foul on Turkoglu would never have happened. If you want to talk about “rape” then talk about the holding and grabbing of Pierce by Turkoglu all game or that last foul to give is a pretty good example.
As to the ball going out of bounds, it was not “clearly tipped off the celts”. I didn’t see it well. If the refs were unsure they should have called a jump ball, so I guess the refs were sure.
The game was called fine up to the last two or three minutes. Then it was clearly anti-Celtic.
And as to Paul Pierce “flinging himself into people…” that is what you’re supposed to do. You take it to the basket and hope to score or get fouled. If you’re talking about the one that wasn’t called for Pierce earlier—many players have the skill to do it. Pierce did it last year in the playoffs and hit a three. He got one foul shot. The player that was victimized walked away as soon as he hit Pierce and before Pierce even got the shot off. He knew he had fouled. That is a legitimate play. Flopping or kicking out your leg on that type of play is oftened called for some supreme players such as Reggie Miller, but Pierce does not do that.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
it's really unbelievable
that you think the refs beat the celtics. you lost, end of story. if you don’t think pierce gets the benefit of the calls, i have no idea what you’re watching and you’re beyond reason, which makes discussing anything a moot point.
take off the blinders dude.
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Interesting
It’s interesting how others view your favorite team/player. As a Magic Fan, I’ve always thought that we get no respect with the refs, always thought Paul Peirce gets the calls…not to say alot aren’t earned. But doesn’t it just seem that way? I mean take a look at Orlando/Cleveland’s last game. A rare 3 second call? Come on….it’s like Lebron and Kobe get the Michael Jordan rules, but so do others….so we learn to play thru them and to expect them….then play above it…It’s sad that refs are so bad, it’s sad that there are so many actors in the NBA…..Play the game…..See ya in the payoffs!!
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For every foul Pierce gets, he’s probably fouled 3 or 4 times that aren’t called. Watch Pierce only and notice how he’s held before he even gets the ball, how he’s impeded while moving without the ball, how he’s charged for a turnover when passing when he is hit on the arm while passing. Howard got away with one of those last nite. Watch how often Pierce’s shot is “blocked” when he takes it to the rim while the same play for a LeBron is a foul. I do agree with you that NBA officiating is terrible and refs are costing teams games.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
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