Surgery Was Never An Option

by Jeff Clark on Mar 31, 2009 6:54 PM EDT in Boston Celtics Rumors

Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge told the Herald that surgery was never considered when it came to Kevin Garnett’s injury.

Ainge’s assertion refutes a published report that claimed the team had offered Garnett the option of having surgery on his injured right knee, but the power forward turned it down.

“Surgery was never an option,” Ainge said.

See an Ainge interview on CSN here.

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Phew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by jyrecelts on Mar 31, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions

what are you relieved about?

all this means is they didn’t want to shelve him for surgery…not that he didn’t/doesn’t need it.

in fact, he probably DOES need surgery but doing so means no playoffs —> no title.

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Mar 31, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions

awwwwww.......... WHY DO YA HAFTA TELL ME DESE TINGS?!!

by jyrecelts on Mar 31, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

One other thing

The deadline for renewing season tickets was 3/20. I’m sure many would reconsider renewing season tickets had they known or perceived KG was more injured than previously thought…….

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

why then

would they continue the charade now?

do you really think they would have trotted him out there if they had any thought at all that he might have a very serious problem?

seems like you are searching for an Oliver Stone angle that isn’t there

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 31, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree, Jeff. I see no advantage whatsoever to any charade with KG’s knee.

by CoachBo on Mar 31, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm relieved because

I think if surgery was never discussed then it probably isn’t as major an issue as everyone is worried about

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 31, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

so you think it's a strain

as i said above – surgery is/was not an option because it’s mid-season and any surgery is tantamount to a celtics’ forfeiture of banner hopes.

am i really being that outlandish?

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Mar 31, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

i believe ainge...

it wouldnt make sense if the team would want him to have surgery which might end his season … he had enough time to rest and the team can cope without him as we can see

by hiro on Mar 31, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions

You can't believe anything they say...

…because they have consistently altered the truth throughout this season. Remember that this injury was called a “muscle strain”. (If they did surgery for a muscle strain, that would be the first time in history.) They’re STILL calling it a muscle strain… uh huh, and I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Whatever is wrong with KG, they’re not telling us, and that’s that. Could be anything.

Other examples: Scal’s 3rd hit was a “neck strain”. Yeah, and he passed out from “neck strain”? What an eye roller. Powe’s injury was a “bruise”. A bruise which turned into… I don’t know what. The only thing I do know is that it’s NOT just a bruise.

And so it goes. Whatever Danny says, he has his reasons, and they’re probably competitive. But we can’t rely on it, that’s for sure.

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

i like this perspective... has a bit more 'thought' in it...

I think they are just reasssesing how best to use his minutes
I guess you could call it a setback, but you are missing that they got to evaluate KG’s effectiveness in those stints vs. pure speculation before that. His timing and shot were alot better than what anyone expected, so I think that with any question of lingering soreness, they feel that even if he doesn’t play a single regular season game again, he won’t be that rusty come the playoffs. Why waste the bullets? Prior to his limited minutes stints, there was uncertainty about how much rust had set in during a month off, and the thinking was that he needed minutes to get his game back. After seeing that he was pretty effective, in terms of timing anyway, they feel better about maximum rest rather than him needing minutes to get his legs back.

by KJ33 on Mar 31, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

by jyrecelts on Mar 31, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Borrowed from other thread, thanks for the 'hope', KJ33

by jyrecelts on Mar 31, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Hope you're right

This explanation jives well with something I called the Expanded Injury Plan by the Cs. Whatever, it’s certainly the most optimistic explanation, and let’s hope it’s true. But have to say, it doesn’t smell like it. It smells like KG is more seriously injured than we thought. We will soon find out, one way or the other.

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Salmon And Mashed Potatoes

I tell you something else “they” are not telling us!!!! The mad hatter poster “Salmon and Mashed Potatoes” in here is really:
Salmonella and Mashed Potatoes and there is lots of Salmonella being injected into our bloodstream as we speak.

We must be told The Truth!!!!!!

Pass the Pistachio’s!!!!!

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions

non sequitor

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Latin for "it does not follow"

Yes it does BM and you and TA should know it. You think TA wrist is really healed or still limp?

Viva!!! La Po(we) – hahahahahaha

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously

You’re not making any sense or even being funny like you sometimes can be…but hey do what makes ya happy.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

you must not be who I thought you were - inside jokes - my apologies

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 31, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I wasn't who you thought I was?

Who was that? Who’s BM?

Anyway, no worries, Po. I figured you had me mistaken for someone else.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Mar 31, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

first, brady with the knee; now kg-eeow. we now have high anxiety. where’s mel brooks when you need him?

by nazzbo on Mar 31, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

It seems we have an answer

Ajay over at redsarmy posted this report by ESPN’s Chris Sheridan about KG’s injury, in which Chris says that there is loose cartilage in KG’s knee and a strained tendon behind it, according to KG’s agent Andy Miller. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhZm7LAy8Lc

Here is my post about that:
This makes perfect sense now, with what we know.
When a piece of cartilage (or bone) gets loose in the knee, it can get stuck in the joint at any time, causing severe pain, and can even lock it up. That would explain why KG suddenly couldn’t use that leg, even though there was no apparent trauma or malrotation. It would also explain ongoing swelling and pain.

If he also had tendon strain, I would think that would be better after 6 weeks… though he might have reinjured it. The key problem, if this report is true, is probably the loose body (cartilage) in the joint. Now this can be effectively removed arthroscopically, so I wonder why that wasn’t done right away….? Maybe KG didn’t want it, thinking he would get better. Problem is, this NEVER gets better by itself. That floating body will be there forever unless it’s removed.

So there’s good and bad news here, ASSUMING this report is true, and it does sound true. The good: KG will be 100% OK someday (i.e., next season). The bad: if he hasn’t had the loose body removed, he is NOT necessarily going to be OK for the playoffs. At any moment, he could go down. And there’s no knowing when, because this problem can flare up whenever it feels like it, unrelated to any injury or clear causative event.

This all sounds right. The mystery may be solved.

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions

Here is the same report, direct from ESPN

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4030740

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

????

Why wouldn’t he get the scoping done then?

by illantari on Mar 31, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know, but

.. maybe KG didn’t want it, thinking he would get better. Whatever the reason, it was probably a mistake, because he would have been healed by now.

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

ARGH

I would hate that. If that were true I would likely always be wondering “what if” if we get bounced early.

by illantari on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly true as I know it and it does now make sense

Having had three arthroscopic knee surgeries to remove torn meniscus over the years of trying to play basketball (when I was too old to be playing really) and then a 4th for ACL reconstruction, sometimes the loose stuff finds a place it likes and you feel normal and suddenly a wrong move brings on the pain.

When your knee locks up from the loose cartilage I had to practically lay down flat on many occasions and shake my knee to get it to unlock and back in place – and sometimes it would take hours – painful for days. So to me this is simply terrible news if this is true and agree that an immediate scope would have been better than this scenario.

ughhhhh……

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 31, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

A possible explanation

It is hard to understand why they wouldn’t just do an immediate arthroscopic removal of the loose body. It’s simple, and he would have been completely healed already. The explanation that comes to mind is that this is either (a) not the whole story, or (b) not the right diagnosis. Loose bodies are often confused with meniscal tears, because the symptoms are so similar. And you can have both. If there is a tear (which is more common), that would be a much bigger surgery, from which he would not have healed so rapidly.

If he has a tear (perhaps in addition to the loose body), then the decision not to do surgery makes some sense. If it’s just a loose body, it makes no sense at all. Either way, Danny’s statement that “surgery was never an option” can’t be right. Looks like he was blowing smoke again.

by DRJ1 on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions

if it was loose cartilage

and it was diagnosed, i see no way they wouldn’t do the surgery immediately. he probably would have been back by the postseason, and as mentioned by others, there is no way that gets better with rest. you need surgery. my guess is either its a strain that was worse than we were told, or they couldn’t find the loose cartilage until recently.

by guy incognito on Apr 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions

When it comes to releasing information on injuries, the Celtics has taken a page from the Patriots’ playbook with Anige and Doc doing a remarkable job impersonating Belichick. You will never get the real story out of them.

This also explained whey Doc limited Garnet’s mins 4 games in a row. The guy is not ready. I hope I am wrong but Garnet may not be 100% in the playoff either. If we can get banner 18 with a 60% KG, that will be even sweeter.

by greennwin on Apr 1, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions