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Nugs Make Right Move With Questionable Execution

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It didn't take long for Carmelo Anthony to re-justify Mike Gorman's assessment of him.

During the broadcast of the Celtics' visit to Denver last Monday, the legendary play-by-play voice made it clear that he wasn't a fan of Melo's behavior.  A week later, Anthony earned himself a suspension that cost him a chance to play on Tuesday night in Detroit.

As reported by the Denver Post's Benjamin Hochman, the Nuggets suspended their star forward for the Pistons game as punishment for his actions in a loss to the Pacers on Sunday.  Anthony refused to leave the game for a substitution by coach George Karl late in the third quarter, choosing instead to leave the huddle and head back onto the court during a timeout.

Without Anthony, the Nuggets fell by five to the Pistons on Tuesday.  Starting in place of Anthony, small forward Linas Kleiza managed to put up two points and three rebounds in 26 minutes.  That's just a tad shy of the 21.6 points and 7.4 boards Melo gives the Nuggets on average.  Or not.

But regardless of the outcome of Tuesday's game, the Nuggets made the right move in laying down the one-game ban, though part of their approach seems to be cause for question.

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Anthony had to be suspended.  He disrespected his coach in front of his teammates.  That isn't the way for a player to act toward his coach under just about any circumstances.  If the man at the team's helm can have his directives disregarded by his supposed charges with no repercussions, it won't be long before he has zero credibility left with those charges. 

George Karl is the man running the ship in Denver, and that needs to be evident to his players.  It clearly wasn't to Anthony, so he earned the discipline.  Meanwhile, it couldn't hurt for the rest of the squad to see that no player is above the coaching staff, star or otherwise.  Further, no one is above the team.  Hurting the squad by suspending Anthony will hopefully indicate that the players need to be accountable not only to themselves and to the organizational higher-ups but to their teammates as well.

A lower chance of winning a regular season game in Detroit seems an easy price to pay for the sake of maintaining coaching control and sending an important message to a star player about keeping his act straight.

My one concern with what the Nuggets did centers on the issue of notifying Anthony.  From Hochman's piece that ran Tuesday afternoon:

Karl said he did not speak to Anthony on Monday, because he wanted to wait until there was a "definitive decision" made. The Nuggets announced he would be suspended close to midnight (East Coast time) in Detroit. Karl said he would "hopefully" touch base with Anthony this afternoon.

Whether the organization notified Anthony of his suspension before the announcement to the public remains unclear here.  But while it isn't evident that the team made contact beforehand, it is clear that coach and player did not speak before news of the suspension was made public.  For a disciplinary action that came as a result of a direct conflict between Anthony and Karl - and an action that Karl likely had a hand in - it seems absurd that the coach had yet to speak with his star about the decision until at least 12 hours after it was announced. 

For as unprofessional as Anthony acted on Sunday, there is something that rubs me the wrong way about making announcements to the media before decisions are made known to the pertinent in-house parties.  If the team told Anthony of the suspension, Karl talking about his player to reporters without having had the conversation with Anthony first seems a bit uncouth.  If there was no pre-media notification given to Anthony, the Nuggets are guilty of a notable lack of classiness in this dealing.

Carmelo Anthony deserved to be suspended for his actions last Sunday, and the Nuggets earn applause for having the guts to follow through.  But he also deserved to be told of his punishment by those who opted to give it to him.

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As a sonic ticketholder, I heard a lot about Karls previous behavior and have watched him since

Within reason, a decent summary is that he arrives on the scene, his teams immediately become dramatically more competitive; they improve into the following year or two or three, but he then starts losing the team and typically develops a particularly public clash with a key player. I guess I have the impression that he is pretty passive aggressive and goes to third parties to complain about things that bother him. This Melo deal fits that scenario. He is magical for awhile and it wears off

by wahz on Mar 5, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

George Karl is a snake!

Remember he tried to blame Pierce for his poor coaching and the eventual failing of the USA team?

by Bankshot on Mar 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Sounds like Karl didn't want to confront Melo

Rather confront Melo than K-Mart

Chicken McThuggets anyone?

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Call 9-11

we’re all out

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Mar 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, Steve...

Well said. Now, get Carmelo back in there so he can help my fantasy squad!

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Mar 5, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree

1. All that writing. For what? I just don’t need all that explaining.I kept reading and reading, thinking I was going to discover something new here. After I finished, I just was stunned. I mean I don’t know all that. Just Steve does.
2. You are presumimng a lot here, if and if and if, when in fact you really don’t know at all what happened and maybe even though you don’t care for the solution, maybe it’s ok with them. I mean you aren’t even involved. How would you know, Steve?
3.The subject means to me nothing. I could care less how the Denver Nuggets punish their player. All I want to know is if we are going to be good enough to repeat. All the other teams I hate, Also, when two other teams play or the C’s are not in the playoffs who cares. I will never watch.

by gustusias on Mar 5, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand everything you said there, gustusias

i don’t follow point number one at all. You didn’t need me to explain what happened, you were expecting something new and didn’t get it, but you were stunned at the end? It’s also unclear to me what “I don’t know all that. Just Steve does.” means. If you wouldn’t mind explaining a bit further, I would appreciate it.

As for your second point, I agree that I did a bit more speculating than typical here, but I’m not sure it goes to the extent you suggest. It seems you’re referring to the two “if” clauses in the second to last paragraph, and I’m really not sure what the problem there is. Those were the only two possible scenarios – either the Nuggets notified Anthony beforehand, or they didn’t. Since Hochman’s article left which one occurred unclear, it seemed fairest to address both of them. As far as the fact that I’m “not even involved” and “maybe it’s ok with them,” it bears note that I’m never involved. I don’t play the games. I don’t officiate the games. I don’t make the rules. I don’t coach the games or manage the teams that play them. I don’t pay all the people who do those things. But I do write about them. What I gave – just as in every one of my pieces here – was my opinion based on what I do know of the situation.

As for the issue of the subject not meaning anything to you, well, I can’t do much beyond reminding you that the nature of my role here is as general NBA writer. I live and die with the Celtics as a fan, and given that this is a Celtics-centric site, it makes sense to me to write about the Celtics on a fairly regular basis, as you’ll see from my archives. But I am also responsible for covering the other goings-on around the league as well, and I make no apology for that. No one is mandating that you read my work on the rest of the league, and you may wish instead to skip past the pieces tagged “NBA” up top if you feel so disinterested about around-the-league content.

Thanks for the comment and the time. I hope that helps clarify my stance on the points you brought up.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 5, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Always so classy Steve.

I’d have trouble keeping my head if someone gave that sort of response to an article I wrote.

by Toine43 on Mar 5, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony is sort of like a modern-day Bernard King or George Gervin. Good stats, but

hasn’t shown a propensity to actually help his team win. I think he’s vastly over-estimated by sports media, writers, bloggers, announcers.

by Cousin It on Mar 5, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Bizarre comparison

Comparing Bernard King to Carmelo Anthony is like comparing Jerry Rice to Terrell Owens.

by Finkelskyhook on Mar 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bernard King?

Excuse me, Bernard Kng was incredible and helped the Knicks a great deal to win.

by gustusias on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Who cares?

He never played for the Cs, so take that weak stuff out of here. Who was that guy anyway, I thought he was some boxing promoter with a crazy hair.

by cordobes on Mar 5, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Carmelo reminds me of a young Paul Pierce

by celty86 on Mar 5, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Pierce wasn't a jerk

on or off the court like Carmelo. Plus PP carried worse teams much farther.

by Bankshot on Mar 5, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Good work, Professor.

I will contend that stuff like this is the exact reason for Ainge not to have brought Marbury on board. Malcontent narcissistic megatalents kill team harmony.

As hot as they have been, it’s doubtful the Pistons would have lost to the nuggets with or without Dr Snitch. I feel for George Karl and Chauncey Billups having to put up with this primadonna.

by Finkelskyhook on Mar 5, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Playing the Devil's Advocate

What I’ve read is that Karl wanted to rest Anthony for a few minutes and that Melo refused/resisted to be substituted and wanted to stay on the floor. If this was what actually happened, how would people react if the interpreters of the episode were, say, Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich. Because I remember this happening between those two – and Duncan wasn’t punished or accused of mutiny.

I agree with the article, but I wanted to throw out this angle.

by cordobes on Mar 5, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Moot point. It wouldn't happen.

Duncan doesn’t have character issues and may be the most unselfish and greatest winner of this era playing for arguably the best coach of his era.

by iowa plowboy on Mar 5, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hi Steve.

 I read your message and am sorry that you could not follow me. I applaud you on your restraint as well. I can be obnoxious when I am strong about my opinions. You’re a good guy and better than me.

Anthony had to be suspended. He disrespected his coach in front of his teammates. That isn’t the way for a player to act towards his coach…. blah, blah, blah….until you get to the article by Hochman.

‘All that’was superfluous. You don’t need to play teacher here to your readers to explain why disiplinary action was necessary. We know ‘all that.’ I couldn’t wait to get to the end of ‘all that’ because I am not learning anything here new. The reasons for the suspension are self evident. and we don’t need a ‘father-son’ explanation as to why.

Now, you might be affronted by the words teacher and father- son. Don’t. You are an excellent writer in my book and I enjoy your coverage of the league. I too am being a bit callous and insuting in language. Yet, ‘all that’ really could have been ommited. Also, it makes your article too pedantic and overweight with….‘all that.’

Next your point. It is well taken and true. Yet, here again the situation that you imagine to exist within the Nuggets front office, George Karl, the press, the announcement, the timing of the announcement, the player, etc… is your own imaginative, and “possible”(I am referring to your if words here) situation. You see, Steve,once again I am not sure there handling was not o.k. Even if Karl met with the player after the announcement. What is most important is the punishment. Karl might be exasperated with Anthony and is purposefully showing him disrespect because of his own reasons. I don’t know the mechanisms in play here and will not assume or hypothesize the mechanisms. Maybe Karl is fine with meeting the next day with his player. It could be just that is the way Karl thinks and he uconciously knows that the next day is also good. He trusts the speech he has in mind for Anthony. George Karl is a trite unconventional anyways, often playing to the tune of a different drummer.As long as the end result is effective is what matters.

 My reaction basically is that the article is such a trivial dot within the margins of NBA daily events that I seriously was a bit bored by it all. I want to read about basketball and the Celtics. I come here to this website in order to relax.

by gustusias on Mar 6, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

I appreciate the response, gustusias,

though I think we’ll likely have to agree to disagree on this one. Before I wrote the piece, I read Nate Timmons’ gut reaction over at Pickaxe and Roll, so I think it’s fair to say there wasn’t exactly unanimity over whether the Nuggets made the right move. That isn’t to say that I wrote my piece as any ‘response’ or ‘challenge’ to Nate – who certainly follows the Nugs more closely than I do and probably has a better handle on the team dynamics – but it was evident to me that there were multiple schools of thought on the matter.

So far as the issue of the “trivial dot” point, I’m not sure I see it that way. Entering Thursday night’s play, the Nuggets sat in third place in a conference where exactly two games separated the teams in spots three through eight. While it isn’t fair to postulate that the Nuggets definitely win that Tuesday game with Melo present, it is reasonable to assess that their chances were significantly reduced without him, and his absence may have cost him them game. In a stretch run where every game will count not only for seeding but for making the playoffs altogether, this issue seems worth a bit more than the “trivial” label to me.

But perhaps that’s semantic, and I’m really not sure finding the right adjective for it is a worthy pursuit for either of us. Suffice it to say that I do appreciate the kind words – although I don’t think any of our discussion on hoops is reflective of who is or isn’t “a better guy” – and hopefully you’ll enjoy future pieces a bit more than this one.

Thanks for your feedback.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Mar 6, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

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