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KG Will Be Ready, I Think, Maybe

I think most fans are pretty frustrated at the daily sound bites about KG's health status.  On one hand it is nice that the team is at least trying to keep us informed of his status.  On the other hand, with the timetable constantly being shifted back it is hard to put much weight into any diagnosis at this point.

The latest is this:  The Herald and Globe both have reported that KG is returning to Boston for treatment, but Doc Rivers is saying that he'll be ready for the first game of the playoffs, ...or at least I think that's what he's saying.

From the Herald:

With the playoffs expected to start Saturday - most likely against the Sixers team the Celtics are playing tonight - Rivers expects to have KG in the lineup at that time.

“I don’t think there’s any chance of that,” the Celtics coach said when asked if there was a chance Garnett could miss the first playoff game. “He left (for Boston) because you can get better treatment at home than here. I do think Kevin needs more time to get ready. If tonight was a big game could he play? We don’t know.”

and from the Globe:

Asked if Garnett's situation would have changed, were the Celtics still competing for a playoff position, Rivers replied: "It may have (changed). But we're not, so we don't have to worry about it. I do think he needs more time -- where Leon (Powe) is ready now, Kevin does need more time to get ready. If this was a big game could Kevin play tonight? He probably could, but we're not sure -- the fact that we're not sure, I think we should wait."

Right.  Are we clear on all that?  No?  Well, I guess we'll just have to wait till Saturday.

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As the garnett turns....

guess we will all know come saturday…hoping for the best

by celticinorlando on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The way the Celtics have been handling this, I am starting to believe more and more that there is a real possibility that we will be without KG in the playoffs.

by Stu on Apr 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

KG could still play

if he is desperately needed.

but, having clinched the #2 seed and with no expected big difficulty passing to the second round in the playoffs, we just have the luxury to rest KG to make sure hes 100% @cleveland and LA.(possibly)

call me optimistic.

by aeternus on Apr 14, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times in the same game will...

Pierce shoot 4 for 17…Rondo 2 for 9…and Ray 2 for 8?
 
Not too many, right?
That`s a combined 23%!

So, stop over-analyzing Sunday`s game vs. Cavs.
Call it exactly what it was.

It`s called an “OFF NIGHT”!

by Title 18 on Apr 14, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

So far, you're the only one in this thread who did any analyzing of that game

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding...

Someone in the Game Thread said Moore was doing horrible, and I asked him why only Moore was being pointed out when just about everyone was doing bad.

Off nights can be ugly in the NBA, and in a lot of ways, that’s what it was for the C’s.

by Tai on Apr 14, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Off night?

Being a ‘fan’ does not mean losing objectivity. I’ve been a Celtics fan since Larry Bird, and I truly hope they put up their 18th banner this year. However, calling Sunday an off day seems incredibly biased. Look back at their schedule this year. They have lost MANY Sunday afternoon games. When does a persistent pattern become more than a statistical aberration or “off game”?

Whatever the reasons are, the Celtics did not put up their best game Sunday. Sure, it’s unlikely that all their players will repeat such horrible shooting. Then again, it’s possible that the stress of repeating, the stress of KG being out, and the stress of integrating new players into their fragile lineup is finally taking its toll. Ever seen an endurance athlete (e.g., marathon) just ‘run out of gas’ near the end? It is entirely possible to be mentally, emotionally, and physically exhausted to the point of not being able to give it their best in the playoffs consistently enough to win against Cleveland and LAL on the road.

Sure, I hope it was an off day. I still think the Celtics have the most talent and drive (when healthy). Let’s hope for the best and cheer on our team. But let’s not be blind to the POSSIBILITY that there are more injuries and lineup changes than they are able to surmount.

by Berkeley1297 on Apr 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post, although I sense a requirement from some that being a fan does indeed mean losing objectivity.

Sunday cannot simply be dismissed as a bad night. A bad night is when all the effort in the world fails to produce a desired result. That effort was nowhere to be found Sunday – at a time when the players this club has available to put on the floor should be rounding into playoff form.

Sunday is at its least a bad sign in a season that’s been full of them. You don’t flip a switch and suddenly begin playing championship basketball.

by CoachBo on Apr 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno about it being a Sunday

Bad excuse or not to call it an off game, saying it was on a Sunday afternoon seems to be writing the loss off just as much has saying the Celtics had an off game. I mean, I don’t think you can prove that this blowout wouldn’t have happened any other day of the week anymore than I can say the Celtics’ performance was due to a off day.

by Tai on Apr 14, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sundays

I didn’t mean to say that they would have won had it NOT been on a Sunday. What I mean is that often regular season patterns repeat themselves in the playoffs. This is not always the case. Houston won it’s 2nd championship after a horrible regular season. Kobe-Shaq LAL won their 3rd with a horrible regular season. And the great Chicago Bulls did not dominate in the regular season in their 6th championship run (conceded home court to Utah). Such great teams were quite different in the playoffs (increased focus, intensity, performance, etc.).

What I meant was that there have been too many off days this year (especially on Sundays). They lost to Milwauke after turning it over 24 or 25 times. Then they went to Chicago after the Milwauke loss and rather than taking out their anger from that loss, they put up another lazy effort. They lost to the Clippers and Magic in close games that were within their grasp. PP himself said that he was looking back at 5 or 6 games this year when they didn’t get the job done (implying the game was within their grasp had they only put in more effort).

Look at Sunday’s game. Many of the Cavaliers’ rebounds were uncontested. When the outside shot was not falling, the C’s did not pound it in the paint to get fouled or get layups. They played a lazy game. It’s unfortunate because just before playoffs either the players should be resting (like Popovich does when he gives Duncan the night off) or they should be playing hard to fine tune their cohesiveness and mutual trust for playoffs. But to show up and play most of the game half-heartedly is just not championship caliber.

I love the Celtics. Just like when Hakeem the Dream went into the zone to help Houston win it’s back-to-back Championship, I hope KG, Allen, PP, and Rondo all lift their game to the level that they have shown they are capable of in glimpses this season. I genuinely hope the signature Celtic defense returns (have we seen anything this year akin to last year’s smothering defense?). I genuinely hope the luck of the Leprechaun helps them with a friendly bounce here and there. I genuinely hope Allen and House have awesome 3-point performances in the playoffs (e.g., having games where they make 6 3-pointers on less than 10 attempts like they are capable of doing). I hope Rondo has some triple doubles. I hope KG’s defense forces the opponents to second guess their shots. I hope PP takes over the 4th quarter when others can’t find their shot and dominates in the paint with his crazy-this-is-not-beautiful-acrobatic drives where he gets the foul and the shot.

But remember. The reason Hakeem is so memorable, the reason the LAL 3rd Championship with Kobe-Shaq is so memorable, the reason that Miami’s underdog victory over MVP Dirk and his Dallas chokesters, is that those are the exceptions that prove the rule: usually Champions peak in their performance from March onwards.

After starting 27-2, our boys seem to be expecting to show up and beat the opposition without fighting for EVERY loose ball, EVERY rebound, contesting EVERY layup. etc.

This year they have avenged some of their embarassing losses (lost to Denver at home and then clobbered them in Denver). It’s possible this Cavaliers loss will be avenged in the playoffs. But it gave Cleveland a LOT of confidence and momentum going into the playoffs.

Remember last year? The C’s were struggling in the playoffs on the road the first 2 rounds. Then Doc challenged them to play solid defense for 48 minutes. They won that game. That’s what they need to do from now onwards. Show up and play for 48 minutes, or stay home.

by Berkeley1297 on Apr 14, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

M A S T E R - P L A N

I am not worried at all.
Banner 18 is there for the taking.
Cleveland’s immaturity and antics during the game the other day will most definitely serve the Celtics’ motivation.
KG will be at or near 100% for the playoffs, along with Leon.
Scal should help as well.
I am ready…just wish I had HDTV.

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Apr 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Irony?

KG to be on the cover of Men’s Fitness

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports_and_recreation/athletes/142

(yes, I know it is a freak injury and has nothing to do with his fitness, but still)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

where is waldo? and kg? the good news is powe who was banging boards and taking charges ans gives us 1 more big.

by nazzbo on Apr 14, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

"where is waldo?"

love it, nazz.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, Im so sick of worrying about KG to the point IM NOT WORRIED

Whatever happens, happens…Ill be rooting for the celtics regardless, and at this point, if KG isnt healing, shut him down for the playoffs

by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

We'll see on Saturday...

…or not :P

The mistery continues

by greenwise on Apr 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, now about KG

I said the same thing in the forums, and I’ll say it again:

I know how you all feel. KG was supposed to play on Wednesday, and is instead going back to Boston for more treatment. Then, Doc says he’ll practice Thursday and Friday, then “we’ll go from there”. Ambiguous, and the bottom line, not what we want to hear.

But you know what? Why put KG through the fire on Tuesday and Wednesday, anyways? He’ll be practicing on Thursday and Friday. It’s not the real thing, but it’s not like he’s been out of the NBA for a year like Marbury. So, if KG’s indeed good to go on Saturday, his rust, at absolute worst, probably lasts that game, and only that game.

This is where I’d ask “you can live with that, right?”, but I already know the answer to that: We wouldn’t be making topics like this one if we knew for sure that’s all there is to it, right?

Well, I still have faith…try to do the same. : (

by Tai on Apr 14, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

somthing tells me this years playoffs are going to be an “interesting”…ride.

by spinz on Apr 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know Jeff

Looks like my fanpost on this topic was removed five minutes after I posted it today about 90 minutes ago. The post was critical of the manner in which Jeff sarcastically criticized my credentials to evaluate KG’s status. And then, a post about this topic comes from Jeff about an hour after my fanpost was removed. And, at least one poster right now fears KG might be done for the year which was exactly what I had originally and innocently said on April 6th. I think readers should know that my fanpost was deleted. There were no obscenities and no political talk. I don’t think there was in fact any ad hominem attacks and certainly there was no sarcasm directed to Jeff about his credentials, etc…I find this very disappointing. If it wasn’t deleted I publicly apologize but I honestly can’t find it and I know it was initially up on the list.

by The Real Large James 2 on Apr 14, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I sent you an email about this

in the email I apologized for coming across as short with you
I also explained that the FanPosts is no place to bring up issues with mods or myself

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 14, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't get the e-mail

Sorry, will check again. Not sure where it went. Anyway, my point was that I think KG is really messed up and they probably should have just sent him home, do surgery and wait for next year. Again, I hope I’m wrong. Take care.

by The Real Large James 2 on Apr 14, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, and this is becoming more and more clear to me….people just dont wanna accept it…if he comes back hes risking the rest of his career

by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 14, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the heads-up, TAR

Hadn’t seen that yet.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 14, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I dont think Varejao got any penalty, at least from what I heard

by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 14, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If one of the Cavs had put an elbow below another man's belt,

perhaps he would have been suspended, too.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

naw...it is ok for him to just

arm bar someone and throw him to the fround….and then stand over him…

by celticinorlando on Apr 14, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone notice

that VA did not react to the elbow to his groin? Last time a checked, basketball players do not wear protective cups. Now, I wonder what that says about VA. Hmmmmmm………..?

by The Real Large James 2 on Apr 14, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope KG comes back in full health.

Fortunately for the C’s he has about 2 weeks to get right, because they should beat the Sizers (if that is the match up) handily.

by wondahbap on Apr 14, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t KG supposed to be coming back like weeks ago, but the Celtics keep adding on to the return time…if they keep him out too long, he’s gonna need games at a time to get readjusted. I don’t know about the sixers for you guys though. Iguodala is a beast and Andre Miller is a great, underrated point guard. Your defense gives up nearly ten more points per game than usual without KG…and that’s another offensive option you might not have.

by NBA FAN on Apr 14, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Pierce still seems to have numbers on Iguodala and 76ers don’t play defense. There is no way they can beat Celtics in 7 games. When you are rolling around Willie Green out there, you are in trouble…

Love Reggie the hack too

by tmak26b on Apr 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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