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Notes On a Shorthanded Green Victory

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As the headline suggests, I'm not sure how much overarching analysis there is to be done about a game that had minimal importance to a Celtics team playing without two of its top three players.  It's always good to add another tally to the win column, and if the Celtics feel strongly about pushing to play Philadelphia rather than Chicago in the first round, all the better.  For today, just some quick bullet thoughts on the green's 100-98 win over the Sixers, and we're out of here:

  • Great to see Paul Pierce bring such a strong effort after his no-show on Sunday.  He got himself good looks on the inside, hit a couple of his patented step-backs from mid-range and put up a bonkers 7-for-9 effort from beyond the arc.  Nice to see him do a fine job on Andre Iguodala on the Sixers' last two possessions as well.  Box score oddity of the night: He didn't collect a single rebound.  But I'll happily write that off as a bit of strangeness on a night when the Truth was on his own planet offensively.
  • Nice showing for Tony Allen getting a start in Ray's place.  He looked strong taking the ball to the basket and turned the ball over just twice in 40 minutes.  But his passing might have been most impressive of all: He made a couple of fine dishes in transition traffic, including one to Large Baby to tie the score at 95 with just inside of four minutes to play.  The hitch on his outside shot still makes me cringe, and despite his one made three, I could do without his looking to shoot jumpers with any regularity.  But that's a small complaint on what a good evening for TA.

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  • The Sixers lived up to their billing as the worst three-point shooting team in basketball, hitting on just three of 12 attempts and thus failing to clear their season average of 32 percent from deep.  Thaddeus Young looked awful on two good looks from the corner late in the game, and Andre Iguodala managed to hit just one of his four tries.  Nice to have the luxury of a poor-shooting opponent if the Celts and Sixers do in fact reconvene over the next week.
  • That he can't shoot is the good news for AI2 opponents.  The bad is that he continues to improve in every other aspect of the game.  His athleticism makes him a terror in the open floor, and he moves the ball well and plays defense.  His spin to the left baseline for a dunk in traffic in the fourth quarter last night was beautiful.
  • The Celtics' interior defense (Perk and his four blocks occasionally excepted) did not look spectacular overall, and in the second quarter it was downright disgusting.  The Sixers put up 20 points on dunks and lay-ups in that period alone, a few of which came uncontested or off major lapses in transition.  This is not good.
  • Speaking of dunking, the play after he hung onto the rim for roughly the length of the shot clock (hyperbole, yes), Thaddeus Young missed an uncontested stuff.  I enjoyed the second part of this sequence.
  • Welcome back, Leon Powe!  The Show looked good offensively in his return from injury, hitting a couple of shots inside and knocking down all four of his foul shots in a 17-minute stint.  I would expect to see more of him tonight.
  • Interesting to see Doc not use Gabe Pruitt and Bill Walker at all.  I'll be surprised if they don't see a few minutes apiece tonight as well.
  • Lou Williams gives the Sixers nice energy off the bench.  He has plenty of speed and gets to the basket and the foul line well.
  • No matter how meaningful a game is, 9-for-17 constitutes another miserable performance from the foul line.  Come on.
  • Rajon Rondo did a great job attacking the rim early and cooled off a bit as the game went on.  As editor Green17 said after the game, it was good for Stephon Marbury to get some run in "pseudo-crunch time" down the stretch, although he was up and down in his minutes.
  • The Nasty Newborn found his way into double digits once more with another better-than-50-percent shooting effort.  Loved his left-wing jumper that hit the short side of the rim and somehow bounced up and in.
  • Faithful readers know that I tend to lean toward the hard-on-our-guys end of the spectrum when it comes to technical fouls.  Thankfully the only referee in the league who could make me hold me tongue was on hand last night in the person of Joey Crawford.  CB member Brickowski said it best in the forums: "As for the technicals, it's difficult to determine if they were warranted without a courtside microphone."  While I'm generally a believer that it requires players at least opening their mouths to the refs to get technicals, track record indicates that this isn't always the case with Crawford.  The whole situation was odd.  Let's just move on.
  • A tip of the cap to our beloved Eddie House, whose run of 24 consecutive games with a made three-pointer came to an end last night, for a particularly hot last couple of months worth of shooting off the bench.  He had his off night just in time to start a new streak for the playoffs.

Enjoy the regular season finale tonight, folks.

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Just a couple points, Steve

According to Paul Pierce in today’s paper, the lack of rebounds or free throw attempts was a conscious decision. As he said in the Globe: “With the playoffs coming up, I don’t want to sprain my ankles going in there with the big guys,” Pierce said. Luckily for us, Paul was unconscious from deep.

As for Eddie House: He’s been having a career year this season, but I don’t think he’s a good matchup against the Sixers. Defensively, he’s toast against whomever they run out at the 1 or 2 spots (Lou Williams in particular) and, at least last night, they seemed quite able to stick with him on the perimeter. Marbury and TA will need to step up (or at least garner enough attention so that Eddie can squeeze free on the perimeter).

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, SaMP

I hadn’t seen the comments from Pierce – appreciate ya bringing that up. Like I said, I’m hardly complaining on a night when he shot like that – as you said, “unconscious.”

Yeah, I saw a couple of your comments in the game recap also, re: House, and last night, it was certainly hard to argue. Williams gave him a ton of trouble defensively as well…he’s just too good an athlete in that situation.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

at the game

I went to the game and watched TOny warm up. At halftime he came out way early a la Ray ALlen and probably shot 50 jumpers including threes. At one stretch he nailed about 10 in a row but my buddies and I agreed that his shot mechanics are horrible. How come no one has worked to change his shot? When the actual game started he couldn’t hit anything. It looks like he had a tendency to shoot it strong so he compensates by softening the shot which often results in airballs or being short. He just doesn’t have the feel that good shooters have to have. He can get on a hot streak but he will never be a good outside shooter wiht the form he has.

by Red2 on Apr 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I was at the game and watched Leon. He looked slow and had trouble gettting up for blocks and rebounds. Granted it’s his first game back but I was not encouraged by what I saw. And wiht KG out and no signs of him returning I’m starting to think there is no cavalry coming and that the team we’ve been watching lately is the team we’re going to see for the most part in the playoffs

by Red2 on Apr 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it just coincidence that eddies stretch of making the 3’s ends with TA getting serious minutes?
He just seems to stuggle when playing with Tony, he played his best basketball with him out

by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 15, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Before we got Marbury it was no coincidence that House wasnt as good playing with TA as he was forced to play pg and on the ball which obviously isnt his strength, however with Marbury running the point it doesnt affect House with TA being back outside of less attempts maybe. It’s just a coincidence this time as House has just been cold the last few games which was bound to happen as he was on fire for so long.

by Big_Matt34 on Apr 15, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impressed with Tony's play of late

He is bringing game-changing defensive energy off the bench and even seems to be making better decisions offensively. His ability to slash and draw fouls is going to pay off in spades come playoff time.

Gotta say I am surprised to find the handful of negative comments about him that I see above. For the life of me I can’t figure out why he takes such heat around here. Both the Lakers and Cavs would kill to have such a defensive ace coming off their bench that can create and get to the line with regularity on O.

It’s almost like this fanbase needs to have at least one player to continuely dog on no matter what, and given Scal’s situation that player has become Tony now. Not very ubuntu if you ask me…

by D Dub on Apr 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think my comments about Tony have been fairly consistent for most of the past two years

He’s one of those players with the talent to do some very nice things, but he’s also plenty flawed, and he is the type of guy that I get frustrated watching at times. I’m not sure what I – or anyone in the comments (the only negativity about TA besides me was Red2’s comment about his shot mechanics, which I agree with) said about Tony here that was unfair.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 15, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I'm there too.

We all know TA’s strenghts and weaknesses by now. I both like him, and don’t distrust him at the same time. Especially come crunch time. Still like him though. He really is a stellar athlete. Has the lateral quicks that separate the truly special athletes. Guys like Gerald and Walker are explosive in a straight line, but far less so laterally. TA’s got the lateral stuff that only the Wades and so on have (not that he’s on that level as a player, obviously). Ah well. Like I said, we all know his strengths and weaknesses. He tantalizes and frustrates.

LOL about his shot mechanics. Only TA’s shot could make Rondo’s look like a thing of beauty.

by Mencius on Apr 15, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impressed with Tonys Play as of late

Do you mean youre impressed with his play last night? I agree, other then that hes been quite the dissapointment this season with injuries and inconsitency, and Ive been watching him long enough to know he can play like he did every now and again and it just means hes due for an equally bad performance.
It has nothing to do with disliking tony as a person, its flat out about not liking him as a basketball player, and even his great defense you speak of is overrated.
Both the lakers and cavs would kill to have tony allen? I highly doubt he’d play in either rotation

by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 15, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok it’s true Crawford has a fast trigger finger when it comes to blowing his whistle…BUT 5 TECHNICALS?!! Every other team in the league has had this guy reffing at least one game for them and nobody else puts up these numbers in terms of “techs!” This is especially comical to see because the Celtics FANS and PLAYERS complained when they thought the Cavs were acting childish by dancing and having a good time, but then the Celts go and seemingly throw tantrums like little kids after certain calls are made, thus giving them 5 techs on the night. And even if you try to blame it all on Crawford, the Celts have the most techs out of any team in the league right now so obviously Joey Crawford is not the problem. When you say something, it might be good to be able to back it up with how you conduct yourself during a game.

by NBA FAN on Apr 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

"When you say something, it might be good to be able to back it up with how you conduct yourself during a game"

Who or what is that directed at? The players? Me? Has my living room conduct been inappropriate unbeknownst to me?

Beyond that, I’m not sure what part of what I said above sparked your comment – I noted, and you’ll find this if you go through literally any of my other pieces after games involving techs or altercations for the Celtics, that I’m usually hard on this team regarding the technical issues. I also noted – in a piece you commented on Monday – that I had absolutely zero problem with what the Cavs did. And all that was said here was that I wasn’t sure what went on because Crawford has a reputation for making himself the show. Nowhere did I “try to blame it all on Crawford,” nor did any of my readers who commented above.

This reads to me like you’re once again just looking for a reason to take gratuitous shots at either the team for whom the site is named or its fan base.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Players....

My comment was not aimed at you…obviously this site will be biased because it is called the Celtics blog, but you have done a good job of sympathizing with the other side, at least minimally. I am just saying, with Ray Allen complaining about the Cavs’ dancing and many fans on this site doing the same by calling it “childish,” it might do some good to look at their own players first…the ones that received 5 technicals in one game. That to me appears “childish” just as much because they are complaining to the refs like children whine to their parents. I’m just saying(not to you, but the other fans): Don’t criticize one team of doing something and then dismiss the fact that your team is doing the same thing.
The Crawford thing was my fault, I misinterpreted what you were saying. I was just pointing out for future posters not to try to blame Crawford for the whole thing because everybody at one point is reffed by him and the Celtics are the only ones(to my knowledge) to get 5 technicals in a game this season.(Pistons don’t count cause they have Sheed..haha)
My overall point was not to point fingers unless you can do it without pointing to yourself.(to fans and players)

by NBA FAN on Apr 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doc and Armand Hill got 2 of the T's

So it wasn’t all the players, and I’m curious, did you watch the game? Or just look at the #s? Joey Crawford was a bit testy last night, as he sometimes is, Armand Hill is one of the classiest guys in the league, never complains to refs, that should give you some indication. Right after he picked up his T, 12 seconds into the quarter after a slight bump by Marbury, Crawford called an even lighter bump, right in front of the C’s bench, as if to tell them “I’m in charge, you’re not” which is fine.

Don’t forget he challenged Tim Duncan to a fight and was fined and suspended. Comparing what I suspect you did not even see to the antics of the Cavs during a blowout, which I have no issue with, is way off base. The C’s do have a target on their backs, not any different from any other defending champion however, it comes with the territory. Other teams have bitched and moaned for a calendar year about their physical style of D, and the resulting tightly called games is an obvious result. I think the playoffs will be a different matter.

by KJ33 on Apr 15, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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