Well so much for homecourt.....
If every game is like this, we're all going to need the number for DA's cardiologist.
- Derrick Rose was fantastic for the Bulls. It seemed like anything he put up within 10 feet of the basket, regardless of the angle or his own momentum went in. Ridiculous game from the Rookie of the Year.
- Rajon. Wow. Rondo was just as ridiculous as Rose in this game. 29 points, 9 boards and 7 assists. With only one turnover (which was kind of Perk's fault).
- Paul had a chance to effectively clinch it at the line. He missed the 2nd free throw. Very painful.
- Pierce got hot to start the 2nd half and sparked a mini-comeback to get the game within range. Then did nothing for awhile. Then came up with some nice plays in the fourth. In total - kind of an uneven performance from Pierce. The late turnover while holding the ball versus Hinrich cannot happen.
- However, Ray was not uneven. He was way off today. Let's all just agree to chalk it up to one bad game and not overreact that Ray is struggling in the playoffs again. I really thought that last shot would finally drop for Ray. ugh.
- Glen Davis was OK filling in for KG. While he scored 18 points he only had 3 boards which is totally unacceptable. Leon was a complete non factor. If the Celtics don't get more out of Leon and BBD this isn't going to be a series.
- I challenge you to find an instance where Noah set a legal screen in this game. He makes Perk's moving screens look textbook.
- Two obligatory comments. NBA officiating is atrocious (for both teams) and ESPN announcers are atrocious (Jon Barry - please quit your day job). That was my original comment that I wrote early in the 4th. Then the end of the game happened and now I need another bullet.
- Disclaimer: What follows is a complaint about officiating. That is NOT the reason the Celtics lost though. How was there no foul when 3 Bulls fell on Rondo during the loose ball with 30 seconds to go? How does Eddie Rush over turn a travel call from the other side of the court - if the whistle blew shouldn't if have been a jump ball? How does Bennett then call a ticky tack foul on Rondo to put rose on the line?
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Yeah, blame the refs
Some Celtics fans are like Lakers fans last season, only 10 times worse. Geez… the other guys outworked us and scored more points. Kudos to them.
Where did I blame the refs for why the Celtics lost? All I did was point to a series of plays where they made questionable calls.
We lost because Rose was ridiculous, Ray was terrible, our Bigs were awful and Pierce missed the free throw.
Thanks for your comment though cordobes and for lumping me in with Lakers fans.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
What a coincidence
You only pointed out plays where they made questionable calls against the Celtics. Haven’t you seen any player where the Celtics get the close call? You were already calling the refs frightening BEFORE the game…
And the officiating was pretty solid. Like in every basketball game, NBA or not, there are bad calls and questionable calls. Though game to ref. Too bad some don’t understand this.
We're supposed to nice to one another here...
…so I must refrain from telling you what I really think. But the refs were NOT, repeat NOT “pretty solid” in this game. They sucked. They sucked for both sides. We got some bad calls, but so did the Bulls. As noted, this was NOT the reason we lost today, not AT ALL.
I think the point is that everyone complains about the refs after every single game. I haven’t seen an overall solid game from the refs ever in my lifetime. Maybe the level of the refs is just what it is. Was there a time in the NBA when the calls were better? I’m doubtful.
I don’t know if Jeff added his disclaimer before or after you posted but there is one saying he is not blaming them for the loss.
It was green17
and of course he changed his post was AFTER I posted. Of course he didn’t bother to clarify that.
yes I did alter it as it was apparently confusing people, but so what?
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Huh? "so what?"
I was just answering to NoraG1 question. Chill out.
we should discuss this over email.
as clearly you have a problem with me, but since you declined to do that last time here’s your answer.
The “so what” comment is in reference to your comment above where you make a big deal about me revising the game recap post so that it was clear that I was not blaming the loss on the refs. The tone of your comment is accusatory – as if there was something sinister behind it (i.e. AFTER and the “of course he didn’t bother to clarify”). I only clarified it as you apparently didn’t understand the original post and immediately tore into me (see the very first comment in the game thread where you relate me to a Lakers fan).
Going forward on the blog my suggestion is that you try and read things a little more clearly, and maybe re-read them and think about them before you comment going forward. This is the second time this week we’ve had an issue because you didn’t understand a post, over reacted and then acted poorly towards me. I’m happy to discuss this further over email (green17 @ celticsblog.com). We will not have this discussion here on the front page. Any response you post will be deleted.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Yeah, yeah...
If you don’t complain about the refs every loss, you can’t be a Celtics fans.
Wake up! Celtic's time is over.
You guys complain more than a bunch of broads at a sewing circle.
Remember Game 2 of last year’s finals?
Referees whistled the Lakers for 28 fouls, including 17 in the first half, and the Celtics shot 38 free throws. Los Angeles went to the line 10 times.
In 14 minutes of play, Leon Powe got more foul shots (13) than the entire Laker team did.
Clearly the NBA wanted the Celtics to win last year. But that was then.
This year, the NBA wants a Lebron-Kobe finals. That’s the sexy match up. The Celtics are too old & nobody outside Boston will care if they get rings. Next year, Kobe will be too old.
So it’s now or never.
Kobe will win this year. Lebron the next.
Too much money is riding on the finals and the NBA is becoming a worldwide institution. You know who the #1 fan favorite is internationally? Kobe Bryant. Yao is #2.
Lebron will be MVP and the Lakers will win this year.
It’s the natural ending to this chapter.
refs didnt give this game to the bulls
bulls just wanted it more and was the better team today
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you on bulls wanted it more
They came ready and took Celtics out then we had a chance to win but blew it.
There’s a whole host of reasons the Bulls won, not one of which is “they wanted it more.” This is such an overused sports-explanation cliche. They won because without Garnett, the Celtics would probably be only a 4 or 5 seed. They won because Derrick Rose is a monster and Rondo is not always a great on-the-ball defender. They won because Ray Allen shot 8% for the game. They won because Perk is our only tall player who can also block shots off-the-ball. They won because Paul Pierce came up short at the end of regulation.
Who is anyone to ever say that some team wanted it more than some other team? Remember, neither team scored in the last 50 seconds of OT. If CHI wanted it more, they would have ended the game before Jesus got a chance to tie it.
I disagree entirely Green with your evaluation of Rondo’s game.
It was at best a wash, because he was horrible defensively. Rose lit him up.
He took defensive possessions off that hurt this club all afternoon.
The only wow I give Rondo is for a wildly uneven game, one that overall hurt this club’s chances of winning the ballgame.
It was at best a wash, because he was horrible defensively. Rose lit him up.
quoted for truth.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Rondo lit Rose up too
And Rondo did it without benefiting from the D-Wade-like calls Rose received all day. Seriously, I didn’t get the memo that said we were going to give Rose every little cheap foul we could while we looked the other way while he got free with a multitude of illegal picks (from Noah and Miller) and traveled and carried the ball without recourse.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not quite
D-Wade played over 42 minutes in a game this year against the Bulls, and got called for NO fouls Derrick did not get DWade treatment.
Just give Rose his due. Rondo too, for that matter.
If you’re saying that either of them didn’t have a great game today (with or without Lebron’s performance), you don’t know what a great game is.
If you are going to apply those standards, you would have to reevaluate the entire history of the league.
Remember, a great game does not equal a flawless one.
...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
There’s a little more to an evaluation of a player’s game than points. A great game is not solely defined by points – it’s defined by effort, ballhandling, defense. Rondo’s defensive effort wasn’t there, and his defense as a result was decidedly sub-par.
Try to look beyond the box score when you evaluate a player’s performance. I guarantee you that he’s not getting love from the Celtics staff today for a great game.
invitation accepted..and extended.
I will if you will.
I wasn’t looking at merely points in my evaluation of both guard’s games.
both controlled the offensive tempo for their team, both picked up their individual offense in the absense of consistency from their teammates, both played the defense they typically play.
Rose’s offensive performance was more a function of KG’s absence on the back line of the defense. If Big Baby or Kendrick povided a fraction of the help D that KG did, DRose scores 20-25 pts tops.
When your PG scores 29 with 9 boards and 7 assists with no turnovers, that is STILL a great game.
Rag on your front line, not on Rondo. (alliteration unintended, mate.)
...there's some folks that, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
Wait a tick....
So Rondo lit up Rose on the other end…would you say that Rose played poorly too? Based on your argument I would think you would have to – which is definitely not the case.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
I really don’t care how well Rose played defensively. It’s an apples and oranges comparison, and I am not comparing offensive games. There’s a WHOLE lot more to this game than the point total in the box score.
You said Rondo’s game was a “wow.” I don’t disagree offensively, but you cannot ignore the negative impact this silly offensive tit-for-tat had on a terrible defensive effort by Rondo – equally wow, from my end, but in a decidedly negative vein.
I deal in team victories, and Rondo’s lack of defense played a significant role in our inability to win the game.
I agree with Green...
Rose was clearly worse defensively than Rondo. Why do you think Pierce kept setting that screen for Rondo in order to switch Rose onto him? Rose played Pierce very poorly in the 4th and OT. Rose also fouled out and had 5 turns. If Rose wasn’t a rookie, they wouldn’t call this a stunning performance. It was stunning in a vacuum, but on a day when LeBron had a 38-8-7 line, it’s obvious that Rose’s game was really good but not spectacular. LeBron’s game has been ignored because he always does this.
Hello!!! By your logic everyone who ever defended Michael Jordan was a lazy bum who was hurting his team because MJ went off on him.
The fact is that Rose had a magnificent game(helped by a huge moving pick named Noah) and is a great offensive player.
I believe Rondo’s stats were 29 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 turnover or something very close to that. Yeah, he hurt his team’s chances.
And a “wash” against Rose is pretty damn good.
Call him
A Cleveland Cavaliers fan, imo that’s even worse! I thought the Cleveland Cavaliers before 2003 was some volleyball team in the middle of nowhere, that’s how derelict that team was. Good article G17.
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, not bad officiating in that critical stretch
Green17, you are wrong about the officiating during the Rondo loose ball – he just lost it, and then the traveling was a bad call and got corrected. Finally, Rondo clearly fouled him. Frustrating, bad luck, but not bad officiating there.
How about Pierce’s miss with 3.7 seconds to go – giving the ball back to the C’s. That was horrible in our favor, but I don’t hear people talking about that.
Officials didn’t decide this game. Close one with Pierce’s missed FT and Ray Allen’s horrible shooting and a few bad bounces being the difference.
No libermaniac. Three Bulls jumped on Rondo who had possession. Then he lost it. Two minutes earlier they called a loose ball foul on Baby for a play that was more of a free ball than the Rondo play and had less contact.
I agree that the officials didn’t decide this game. The Celtics poor play and Rose’s fantastic play did.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
As usual the officiating is horrible in the NBA. How many times has any come out
of a game and said “hey they called it right today.” Stern’s toadys rule. And as for being lumped in with Laker fans, thats an insult I’d only wish on well, a laker fan.
Watch it again
Rondo overslid the ball and lost control before the guys jumped on him. I agree about the Baby call, but there were plenty of calls that went the C’s way too. Noah’s 100% clean block of Baby called for a foul, for one.
by libermaniac on Apr 18, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
UGH
I spent the vast majority of this game screaming at my tv, the people who live next door must think I’m crazy.
Reflection: Rondo carried the team this game, Perk had a pretty solid game for himself too. Ray was off today, he did not have anything going for him on offense. Pierce hit some clutch shots towards the end, but ultimately didn’t hit much either.
I’m taking solace in the fact that Ray had such a bad game and the C’s still almost pulled this one out, so for Game 2, Ray turns this around, Celtics should win.
Oh and no more of these awful 12:30 starts, I mean, when was the last time we won an early start, I have honestly lost track.
by celticspride003 on Apr 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
I feel numb right now; so much for the Finals miracle, we are going to struggle to get out of the first round. I’m obviously still going to cheer for this team with all my heart, but my expectations have been lowered considerably. I feel like I just got slapped in the face.
I expected more energy from a team (especially the veterans) who had been there and done that. Besides, its clear to me and a lot of other people that the Celtics interior defense is bad without KG; Rose, as great as he is, would not have scored 36 points if KG had been in there. Leon, Big Baby, and Mikki Moore just are not good defensive players, plain and simple. And the fact that this is the second year in a row where Ray Allen has come out cold doesn’t bode well either.
I expected the Celtics to show heart because everyone had doubted them, and instead they looked like a team (other than Rondo) that wasn’t ready for the playoffs.
Bad ref job for sure but we are done. Stick a fork in this team. Bulls in six with no draft to look forward to and Garnett never coming back at near full strength.
How about no Posey and bad coaching by Doc
Well first statement is overreacting, but the second one could be arguable.
Coaching in this league is almost completely indecipherable. Doc won coach of the year last year when I don’t think he should have. Then, he won’t win this year even though Boston won 62 games with a million injuries. Bad coaching? I think it’s bad play and bad personnel (I’m looking at you Danny Ainge).
Byron Scott won Coach of the Year last year...
… not Doc.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Bad day at the office for Ray
It wasn’t just his shot. He couldn’t get away from a notoriously bad defender in Ben Gordon. I love him. He’ll come back but this loss was on him.
Please…complaining about refs is low class when the C’s got their share of calls
This one isn't on the refs...
Rather, it’s on Ray, Pierce, the poor play of the bigs, and atrocious defense (especially on Rose, which starts with Rondo).
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Could not agree more, Roy. I’m not about to lionize a guy who got absolutely torched on the defensive end.
All this officiating talk makes me ill. We came out with the same kind of half-hearted effort that marked the end of the season, we let a rookie torch our alleged all-star point guard, we can’t shoot the ball from outside at all, our captain bricks a foul shot to win a ballgame.
And some people want to cry about the officiating.
It’s tiresome.
I got lit up for making a post back two months ago: why do we not feel like contenders?
The effort on d this year, even when we were mostly healthy, was just not like last year. The turnover rate was worse “per 100 possessions” by a marked degree. All season we just didn’t play as hard. I have been an apologist for the injuries but so much has just not been right, including the way the summer was handled by DA, that I will just never understand it. So much was just sloppy. Sloppy d, sloppy ball handling, sloppy free agent work, sloppy summer free agent handling, sloppy draft, sloppy handling of injured players, sloppy handling of inexperienced players minutes.
we flat out need a miracle. I believe in miracles.
This season hasn’t felt at all like last year, beginning with Ainge and Grousbeck’s half-hearted effort to patch a team together this summer.
And as for being lit up on the Internet, consider the source or sources. Time is a pretty good record here of who knows what they’re talking about and who doesn’t. The rest is irrelevant.
Yeah, Posey (or insert free agent pickup X here) would have really helped
The fact is, without KG were going to have a terrible time repeating. But sure, let’s blame DA for a lackluster offseason. That makes sense. Posey sure helped prevent Miami from losing in the first round the year after they won the Championship.
As for the officiating, it wasn’t the cause of the lose. We caused the lose by not showing up in the first half and having terrible ball movement throughout most of the game.
That said, the officiating was surely uneven. Noah had about 10 illegal screens that weren’t called, Derrick Rose was given as much respect from the officials as D-Wade, and with 10 seconds left in regulation, Rondo was body slammed by Hinrich (no foul called, Rondo losses possession) and then elbowed by Rose, only to get the foul called on him! Meanwhile, in overtime, Derrick Rose, then with 5 fouls, hits Paul’s elbow twice down the stretch (Paul made one, missed the other) with no call, and then w/10 seconds left, Pierce gets fouled by Salmons but the officials just give us the ball out of bounds (after the ball was clearly out on Paul).
So, while I think the officiating was bad for both sides, it seemed to be really bad for the Cs at some super inconvenient times.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Stated perfectly by the natural
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you knew they were in trouble when Bennet Salvatore showed up.
The difference was that Gordon had a terrible game but got hot in Q4. Ray Allen had a terrible game, period.
I would rather have seen TA out there for longer stretches. They never even tried to get Gordon the ball when TA was guarding him.
And another typically crappy day for Stephon Marbury. What a waste of a roster spot.
Not surprised, really.
We weren’t playing well at the end of the season and we were just dealt the blow of KG not coming back. It’ll take them a few games to get their confidence back. This is the Bulls capitalizing on a mentally depleted team. How can I say that? Because our two HOF players barely showed it. Whether or not the Celtics will get their act together, I don’t know. But it’s frustrating to be the returning champs and lose home court for the first round that easily.
On a brighter note, I can’t wait for Ray to explode the next few games because it WILL happen.
Call for Pierce at the end of regulation was a gift.
So I can’t complain about the ref’s..
Just make both free throws and we win.
Hopefully Ray shows up this year at little earlier or the Celtics are in big trouble.
How can Pierce not torch Heinrich (sp)?
Nothing is going to be easy at this point.
plus the call on salmons
for the double dribble when he probably would have had an easy path to the basket but wwas whistled and then over turned.
by Sambossanova on Apr 18, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
very painful, i feel like buying everything at home depot right now.
re paul’s botched FT, i had flashes of game 4 against the nets in the ’02 ecf even before he missed.
bbd should learn NOT to put the ball on the floor, in the paint, at the end game. hand it back to rondo for crying out loud.
and i knew it was bad news when the big play was paul driving god-knows-where … smells like the old stinkin days …
guys who just seemed lost out there … RAY and stephon …
that said, i wanna shake the hand of the guy who invented the first-round seven-gamer. there is STILL A LOT of bball to be played, folks.
One thing that bugged me in OT was how we went away from our offense far earlier than we should have. The Pierce isolation set showed up far too early in the OT for my liking, and with Rondo the only one consistently hitting I would’ve liked to see the ball in his hands more during that stretch of the game.
by celticspride003 on Apr 18, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Ray and Paul
were supposed to step it up with KG out, but instead they both choked big time.
I have a good idea
In the next game, let’s keep giving the ball to Pierce and mid-court and hope that he can shake his defender and then beat two or three others to get to the hoop and score. Honestly, what the hell wsa going on with the offense today? If Heinrich is guarding Pierce, shouldn’t he be down on the block getting the ball. I still think the Celtics will squeeze out the series, but it will likely take 7 games. They then lose in the second round.
Tell me this isn't true
Paul and Ray, two All-Stars, outscored by a rookie !!!?? 1-12 for Ray in a playoff game at home?!
Of course I am not expecting a sweep; but it should not be that hard at home either. Now we need to win one in the United Center where the Bulls are 12-1 since the All-stars break. Come on, Celts. This isn’t funny.
game 2 will tell us all we need to know
it they squeak out a win or they lose…they will lose the series…this team played EXACTLY like they have ben playing the last 6 weeks…nothing changed…slow starts..turnovers..missed FTs when needed and abused on the glass…i agree…winning even one in chicago will be very very tough….this thing could snowball quickly
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
At least Bruins fans
have the game tonight to look forward to
Welcome to Smashville, Tennessee.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Series is not over
Just a one road win away from home court – keep the faith. Bad day for Ray, PP in the first half, bad D, no KG, poor officiating, record game for a rookie, etc… and a few other aberrations and we only lost by 2 in OT. Worried? Yes …..is it over? Not by a long ways.
Why make all these predictions? Like ’it’s over" or “we lose in the second round”.
A modified Po-em for today for you all.
Celtics (Lovers) Lament
Breathe deep in the gathering gloom
Watch lights fade from every room
Sad hearted people look back and lament
Another day’s useless energy’s spent
Impassioned celtic lovers wished they had won
Lonely Po cries for love and has none
Fair weather fans buckle and run
Senior citizens wish they were young
Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the green colors from our sight
Red is grey and yellow white
And we decide which is right
And which is an illusion??
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Apr 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Whoops
That about sums it up
Bulls played very well, and should be pretty damn proud of there performance today…rose is a superstar
by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Bigger questions than the refs (they were too involved but hurt the Bulls, too)
Was today’s game the “exception” in terms of Celts performance?
Or was today’s game closer to the “norm” for playoffs, 2008-2009 style?
I have to say that I am having trouble answering those questions. Celts looked lost after the news of this week, and the Bulls took the game (and deserved it).
Ray Allen
…did his best to lose this game. And he succeeded. Let’s see: missed a wide open dunk, missed 11 out of 12 shots, kicked the ball out of bounds on a rebound attempt, missed the last game-tying shot, stunk up the place. And Doc puts him back in with :30 to go in regulation? And again for the entire OT?! Are you kidding me?!? Doc has lost his mind far as I’m concerned. Completely nutso.
It was not just Ray tho, of course. The D didn’t show up. Powe was invisible. Paul disappeared for the entire first half. Etc., etc.
If this happened because KG’s absence has gotten into their heads, then the fat lady is singing.
Yeah thanks, and..
.. the foul on Gordon’s jumper too. There was no end to his suckage today.
i was watching ray closely in OT, he stood around and away from rondo or paul’s vision … like he never wanted the ball
I thought Doc was going with TA on defense and Ray on offense
That would help a lot if Tony was on Ben and we didn’t have to keep Ray on him at the end of the game. His defense just wasn’t there and he needs to keep shooting if he wants to get out of this slump again.
We're not yet three weeks removed from the Bobcats game, of all things
I find this line of rhetoric purely unbelievable.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What's a better predictor?
How a player has just played in the game AT HAND… throwing up 11 bricks out of 12 attempts, fumbling and fouling and stinking up the place? Or the game he had weeks earlier when he hit a game winner? Doc never did have a very good imagination, so he just can’t believe that superstar Ray might be having a horrible game and that he should sit down. Amazing.
This isn’t “rhetoric”. I find your disbelief unbelievable.
Aside from the fact that there plenty of qualified findings against hot hand theory,
The point wasn’t that Ray hit a game-winner three weeks ago. It’s that he is a player who has shown time and again that he is one of the best in the world at what he does and that the last shot – or the last 10 shots – don’t necessarily matter when it’s time to take the next one. That was the message from the Bobcats game – in which Allen shot 4-for-15 in regulation.
I bring that game up because it’s the most recent example, not because I believe that something happening once makes it a rule going forward.
It isn’t that I think 1-12 doesn’t outweigh a game-winner from three weeks ago. It’s that I don’t think it outweighs a 15-year body of work.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
officiating?
I thought the refs were horrible too, but the travel call on Salmons was completely right. You know the refs are going to give the calls to the Celtics. How about when Noah stuffed Perkins all ball, they called a foul that was ridiculous, and how about at the end of the OT when Pierce drove to the lane covered by three bulls they called it out on the Bulls and still Celtics ball. that was horrible. thank goodness Ray Allen stunk today. There were way more calls in favor of the Celtics than the Bulls, just saying. and BBD had a nice game
Not that it matters
But on the Pierce drive the replay clearly showed Noah hit the ball before it went out of bounds. Bottom line though is refs had nothing to do with today’s outcome.
Would the Celtics be better off if KG just didn't come to the games?
I know it’s a crazy idea, but I have to wonder if the young big guys are constantly looking over their shoulder, wondering if KG is going to bark at them.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
come on...
when are people going to see what this team really is? they are a gritty team without KG that has played this way for a long time now…they continue to start slow….turn the ball over and get beat on the glass…..this isnt going to change over night….
ray has won a lot of games for boston..he is struggling at the worst time..but you cant put it all on him today…
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
boston lost this game in the
second quarter…it continues to be a problem quarter for them…boston has started slow IN EVERY game the last 6 weeks…it got them today
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
MIKKI & PERK
Wake up Doc, its our only chance Mikki & Perk 30 minutes a game
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm.... Mikki playing 30 minutes?
Has the foul limit rule changed?
play Mikki
until something happens, we have no height without him, we have no other options even if he isn’t the greatest player in the world he is our best option for height, Doc isn’t trying him with Perk
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
what is it that his height gives us that makes him a better option than Powe or Davis?
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
height is important
it makes us look more intimidating to the opposing offense. people can criticzie Mikki left and right but he has never played on a team with that much talent. He was always THE center when out on the floor, if he plays with Perk its like having two centers out there. As great as BBD & Powe are they are not centers
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Your only basketball justification given to me for playing Mikki 30 minutes is that height "makes us look more intimidating to the opposing offense."
I don’t know what to say to that.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
heigh wins ballgames
wake up and stop dissing my boy Mikki
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
By that logic, perhaps OKC will move us Shaun Livingston for Rondo next year.
On another note, it’s my contention that issues like misplaying screen-and-rolls, generally missing defensive assignments and bailing out opposing offenses with bad shots all contribute to losing ballgames.
Mikki didn’t play enough today for me to fire up my usual spate of complaints about him (though SaMP noted below a misplayed screen-and-roll that annoyed me as well), and I didn’t come to this recap looking to slam the guy.
But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t baffled by the idea of throwing him on the floor for 30 minutes a night.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
starting lineup
is Perk 7"0, BBD 6"7, Rondo 6"1, Ray 6"5, Pierce 6"6 add it up its too smal. Perk Rondo Ray & PP have to start. What other options do we have? Stop using it to rip Mikki, he’s on our team so stop criticizing him
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"Stop using it to rip Mikki"
Using what? Your claim – with minimal basketball rationale behind it – that he should play 30 minutes a night?
As for the “he’s on our team so stop criticizing him” bit, that comes down to differing fan ideology, I guess. I root for everyone who wears green, but that doesn’t mean I won’t assess them honestly.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Mikki could be be 12 feet tall. The fact that he can’t catch limits his effectiveness.
BBD definitely had more than a few instances where people came over the back of him. He seemed small tonight – which hasn’t happened in awhile.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Must've attended class with Tony Allen
Mikki Moore for height! Did you watch a ballgame the last two months. Mikki is tall. Mikki can shoot from 12 feet. Mikki is a nice guy. Stir those things up good and what you get is a terrible ball player not for playoff caliber minutes
You make no sense
Have you seen them out on the floor at the same time? Then you don’t know what you are talking about. We need length and height
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but...
Mikki still doesn’t know the rotations, is a bad individual defender, has no strength and hardly rebounds.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
4 rebounds in 6 minutes
You people don’t know what you are talking about. He is not a bad individual defender, he’s 7 feet wake up
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
-6 in 6 minutes
Missed a layup, forgot to switch on a pick and roll…there’s a reason Doc didn’t go back to him in the 2nd half….Mikki doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. If he could figure out the team defense, he’d play more…until he does, he won’t be playing.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares
He outrebounded BBD 4 to 3 playing 6 minutes to 40, don’t you people get it? He is the only height we have besides Perk
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
this is getting SO tedious.
Okay, you like Mikki Moore. Maybe you should change your handle or something. But seriously, you’re going overboard here. Mikki got some rebounds, but what he brings to the table is nothing compared to what Baby does. Baby knows where to be; his teammates can count on him and he plays his part—in short, he’s solid. Mikki is very random right now and that hurts team continuity.
Baby only played 34 minutes btw.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
40 minutes
Wrong, BBD played 40 minutes check the box score. And its not even about how great he is, we need height, its our only chance. Has Doc even tried Perk with Mikki yet? So if he hasn’t none of you know what you are talking about. At least put them on the floor together for 25 minutes in a game before any of you keep talking about it
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
actually it was 35 minutes
Go to http://www.nba.com/games/20090418/CHIBOS/boxscore.html if you’re not sure….
As for the rest of it, since Doc hasn’t tried Perk with Moore for 30 minutes yet, both YOU AND ME don’t even know what we’re talking about….but having seen Moore struggle continually with his rotations I have a decent idea we’ll probably never see Doc test your hypothesis.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
espn says 40 minutes
for BBD, go check the epsn box score. If Doc subs Ray in for Perk on defense then maybe I do know what I’m talking about. That is ridiculous. How can you take out Perk on defense and leave in BBD, end of 4th QTR when Rose drove to the hole? Ridiculous. At least leave in Perk and take out BBD
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that was a bad move by Doc
In a similar situation a minute later, he had Perk in there. Perk probably wouldn’t have been able to block Rose’s shot either (because that kid is a great athlete) but he might have been able to alter it more than Baby. Bad coaching move by Doc and he knows it.
As for the discrepancy in box scores, I’d go with NBA.com. They keep the official stats.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow!!
I thought he was exactly what the team needed – “a much better fit” than Joe Smith, and especially due to his ability to defend centers!!
I underestimated his ability to understand our team defense...
Plus, Joe Smith was never coming to Boston in the first place.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know?
Because he said it after joining another team? Wow, go figure. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. We’re talking about your assessment of both players. I hope you understand now how wrong you were about Moore. I can look for that thread – you said specifically he was a good individual defender, for example.
And what’s the problem with learning our defence? It’s one of the simplest defensive scheme in the NBA. He just sucks. He played like this his entire career. He has been missing rotations his entire career. He has been abused by true bigs his entire career. He has been unable to contest shots his entire career. Nothing to see here; Moore is playing as he was supposed to play on the defensive end – if anything, he’s been better than usual.
GO MIKKI!
But he’s not our main big Perk is and we need more height I’ll say that a million times, you are all underestimating him. Play him 30 minutes and we’ll see
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Joe Smith
He made a pretty good point after signing with the Cavs: why would I abandon my guys for the team that beat us? It was obvious to everyone in the know that Joe was going to Cleveland.
Moore had some good games, but today he just wasn’t rotating very well. If he can learn to be in the right spot all the time, then he’ll be valuable.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he played 6 minutes
you people are crazy
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It doens't change
the fact that your thesis – “Moore is actually a better fit for this team than Smith, if not the better player” – was ridiculous.
Well, 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing
Go pick on someone else, cordobes, I’m not interested in fighting you.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting?
Jesus… we’re just talking about basketball players. You wrote so much about this issue, I find it weird you’re suddenly not interested on discussing it any more.
Nobody’s fighting you, don’t be paranoid; just talking about the relative merits of 2 basketball players.
Dude
I’ve watched how you operate. You purposely attempt to draw out certain posters in order to have an argument with them. Sure, we’re just having a ‘conversation’ about ‘basketball’ but with the condescending tone you use it always descends further into a fight. So, I’m not interested right now in fighting you. Maybe later on a different subject. But right now it’s not worth it. Especially after this tough loss.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't answer to ad hominem arguments
Sorry.
I just hope you’ve seen enough of Moore by now to correct your analysis of him.
Yeah, you just read my analysis above
I didn’t think Moore’d have this much trouble getting the rotations down. When he’s rotating like he should, he’s decent. But he hasn’t gotten them down yet. But whatever. Moore’s lack of understanding had little to do with what happened today…
As for ad homimen attacks, it wasn’t, I was just explaining why I didn’t want to continue this conversation. You’re intelligent, we have good debates, but I’m not interested today. OKAY?
There is, however, one thing I’d like you to answer, since you seem to have pretty in-depth knowledge about medicine: why can’t KG inject some Autologous Conditioned Plasma into his knee like Hines Ward did to help speed up the healing of his strained tendon? If we’re just waiting on that tendon to heal, why not help it along?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ACP
how do we know they haven’t tried it? I don’t know who Hines Ward is and I don’t know a lot about ACPs, but I’m aware the medical team in our soccer department (which is one of the best in the world) uses them almost routinely these days. The problem is that the failure rate of ACP is relatively high – sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. So, if it was a proper therapy, maybe they’ve used but Garnett didn’t react.
Anyway, if it’s indeed merely a strained tendon, it’s quite puzzling how he’s not playing after all these weeks.
Thanks for responding
My take on the strain is this: if it’s JUST a strain, he still has a decent chance of playing sometime during the playoffs (assuming we get by the Bulls). But if it’s more than a strain and the swelling and locking is caused by some debris or something they can’t see, then he’s probably done. And since he keeps having swelling, it points towards something more than a strain.
Hines Ward was a receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers who underwent ACP treatment after straining a ligament in his knee in the Conference Championship Game. It worked for him, as he normally would have been out 3-6 weeks, but came back in 2. It’s an experimental treatment in the US, so we don’t know much about it.
One more question: is it true that you need to undergo ACP within 24 hours of suffering the injury? Or can you do it any time during the recovery? If you can do it at anytime, somebody needs to talk to the Cs staff and see if this type of treatment has been considered.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
misplaced sarcasm
Not many actually said that.
But Joe Smith is no great prize either.
tyrus thomas is a bad match up without KG
and it is obvious that noah is too….as is rose….and gordon…
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
coulda shoulda woulda
oh well, the bulls deserved the win. too many mistakes, turnovers and not being able to stop rose from getting to the hoop. the obvious absolute stinker from ray hurt and too much standing around at the end waiting for pp to be the miracle man. too many missing from action as well. we have to play 4 quarters of defense. and the bulls are young and hungry and on a roll. get ready to play guys.
Mikki is an all time bum
Mikki Moore’s teams:
Detroit Pistons (1998–2002)
Boston Celtics (2002–03)
Atlanta Hawks (2002–03)
New Jersey Nets (2003–04, 2006–07)
Utah Jazz (2003–04)
Los Angeles Clippers (2004–05)
Seattle SuperSonics (2005–06)
Sacramento Kings (2007–09)
2 points yea Mikki Moore is a star haha.
Mikki is the best
That’s a bunch of garbage, Mikki is a really good player
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know?
Have you seen him play with Perk? how can he have more rebounds in 6 minutes than BBD in 40? Answer that question.
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulls won
because BBD played 40 and Mikki played 6. 4 rebounds to 3 is there any clearer stat for any of you to get that in your heads that BBD & Perk doesn’t work?
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
PJ is better
but not by much, we need two 7 footers out there wake up already and stop criticizing the guy
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
pierce
Agree with most. Questionable calls for both sides. But if you are talking critical calls here that could have decided the outcome of the game, how bout how Paul Pierce simply tossed the ball out of bounds with 3.7 left and it was given back to the Celtics. Heck of a PG battle.
Pierce was fouled by Salmons before he tossed it out of bounds
That’s why they gave the Cs the ball…because they knew he’d be fouled but didn’t want to call it. On the other hand, Rose elbows Rondo at the end of the regulation and they call the foul on Rondo w/10 seconds left.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody else mentioned that, but I thought Salmons clearly fouled him. They didn’t want to call it for some reason, although they had just whistled a very light foul on Rose, that took a layup away from Rondo.
But the refs were horrible across the board, pretty par for the course, for Ed Rush and Bennett Salvatore.
If Pierce made the free throw the hand-wringing would be moot. Great game by Rose though; clearly the best player today (Rondo a close second).
yea the refs were horrible
u got love that kid Rose he is a star, they have good role players with ty thomas, noah, miller. Gordon and Salmons and Hinrich all stunk. Hinrich should play over gordon
Yeah the Bulls are a good team. I like Rose (as much as I like any opposing player), definitely a star. I thought the Celtics could have played him better, but he was knocking down his jumper today which really unleashed the beast. Shoot, he was knocking down everything.
I thought Gordon was garbage most of the game but he did heat up. I noticed Hinrich in the corner wide open one play and Gordon barely looked at him and drove in (I think he got fouled/bailed out). Hinrich was not too happy, can’t blame him.
Did anyone see the replay?
the ball clearly was hit by Noah before it went out of bounds. They showed the replay several times and there was no question Noah hit it last.
Completely stupid loss
I’m not even going to get into the particulars except for this. If his teammates want KG on the bench and KG doesn’t want to be on the bench is that the end of Ubuntu?
by The Real Large James 2 on Apr 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
KG is KG
And he looked like a zombie on the bench. He wasn’t able to give them good energy and they were down 9 at half anyway…it wasn’t like he was helping anything being there.
Personally, I’m tired of people criticizing KG about being on the bench or not talking to the media. He’s KG. Lay off.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so what
stay on the bench and help the team, we trade 5 guys for him and when he goes to the locker room we get nothing out of it
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He was giving me a bad vibe. The team played better with him in the lockerroom so I say keep him in there.
Exactly...
KG was giving off bad energy…they showed a shot of him on the bench and you could almost decipher what he was thinking and it wasn’t good. He was very down on himself today—down because he couldn’t help his team win. And that bad energy wasn’t helping anyone.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
KG
if he’s giving off bad energy then he’s not that great as he is supposed to be, Yes I love KG Top 10 players ever but how can a guy like that give off bad energy
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, seriously, go take a run or something
You’re giving off bad energy on this board!
KG is human. As a player, he feeds off his emotion to an extent that no other human ever has…and now you want to come along and criticize him for having emotions when it’s the emotions that have carried him—and us—this far. Wise up, buddy. He’s hurting, physically and spiritually.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
bunch of garbage
how can you give off bad energy on a blog board, that’s ridiculous. I am clearly a Celts fan and have been rooting since 1980. The whole emotions thing is ridiculous. They are basketball players. Regardless KG makes 20 million a year, I undertand he is upset but go out and put a smile on your face and try your hardest. Your still making 20 Mil a year in this recession, 99.999% of the people in this country would rather be in his position, and I love KG, don’t get me wrong here
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Advocating that Mikki Moore play 30 minutes is the definition of bad energy
But you’re entitled to your opinion. Our bigs played well, in terms of defense and making shots….we need to do a better job on the boards, but that will have to be a team wide thing, starting with Baby who you rightly criticize for only having 2 rebounds. But it’s gotta be a team effort.
As for KG, he’s KG, that’s all I can say. I don’t question the man. He’s KG afterall.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not criticizing baby
its our only option Perk 7" & Moore 7". Moore at the 4. we already have 3 stars out there Ray, PP & Rondo, we don’t need a superstar at the 4. we need height and rebounding and the guy is shooting 60% from the field doesn’t anybody realize that. Don’t say it won’t work until we try it. If we don’t try it, we don’t know what we are doing.
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Good theory
But there’s more to basketball than being tall. Moore doesn’t do enough basketball things to warrant playing ahead of Baby, Powe, or Perk.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Mikki vs BBD
Mikki 6’11, BBD 6’9. Per 36 minutes Mikki 60FG%, BBD 44 FG%, Rebounds Mikki 8.4, BBD 6.6, that’s all the stats I need
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats are stats
But they don’t tell the whole story. Baby’s in the right place most of the time, Moore not so much. Baby usually is boxing something out, playing his role in the team defense, Moore, usually isn’t boxing anyone out and he’s freelancing on defense. So, Moore gets more rebounds and shoots better, but he does it by going outside the team to do it. Baby stays in his role, has lesser individual stats, but plays in a manner that allows the team as a whole to rebound better, play better defense and score better. It’s about how the player fits on the team, not the individual stats one guy puts up…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Perk is too similiar to BBD, Mikki is a different kind of 7 footer. I’m not taking anything away from BBD I think he is awesome. It is our only chance to solve the height problem why can’t you see that?
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't have a height problem
Moore just doesn’t know the rotations and that’s why he didn’t play. He needs to cram like its finals’ week.
Perk isn’t too similar to BBD. It’s Powe and Perk who are too similar to each other. We need BBD to stretch the defense. When Powe and Perk are playing together the lane is too clogged. I’d love if Moore could play with Powe, stretching the defense in the process. But that lineup is terrible defensively.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Big height problem
Yeah we do have a height problem, you can tell by looking at our current starting 5, we look way to small
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
top 10?
not even on the celtics
russel cousey bird hondo cowens jones white mchale parrish pierce sherman …..
not even among active players
BS
KG’s numbers are some of the best ever in the history of the game, maybe not Top 10 for some people but he sure is close.
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOO
if you dont think that KG is one of the top 10 players of all time you are definitely missing out on something. Take a glimpse at KG’s career and the way hes dominated his position for as many years and if you still think that hes not top 10 then you need to take long hard walk and rethink your life path.
KG Top 10
I think he’s Top 20 it was bingo who said that sharman is better than KG
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
is he better than russell, chamberlin, west, bird, magic, erving, jabbar, hakeem, robertson, shaq, kobe
thats 11 no argument examples, I didn’t get to malone Stockton drexler…..
maybe you can’t count to 10
west & hakeem
definetly a possibility there, stop making up stuff that doesn’t make sense. And most would agree KG is better than Olajuwon
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
garnett couldn’t win a title with his own team, hakeem won 2, was a much better shot blocker, and as you now know, was much more durable
hakeem had drexler
I still give a slight edge to KG, but to say Hakeem was decisively better is ridiculous
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
By what measure?
Their overall individual numbers and achievements are fairly similar. Both players were/are leaders worth more than their own numbers at the defensive end.
I thought Hakeem leading his team to two championships in and averaging a 29-11 and then a 33-10 in consecutive entire postseasons was pretty cool.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
For one he was the best big man in the 90’s which was the age of the tall towers with HOFs bigs everywhere and he outplayed them all while KG has always been overshadowed by Duncan. Stat wise, Hakeem was the much better shotblocker. If you asked the majority of basketball fans, I guarantee of the majority would pick the Dream over KG.
come on...it was all about tyrus thomas
he hit 2 long jumpers that he usually doesn’t…
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm, yes he does
He has been hitting them at a good rate in the last months.
yeah...but come on
2 long jumpers in OT?
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
according to perk
Following this afternoon’s loss to the Chicago Bulls in Game 1 of a first-round playoff series, Celtics center Kendrick Perkins said his team did not bring the intensity necessary for a playoff game.
“Playing against a young team, the most important thing is that you’ve got to bring a lot of energy,” said Perkins. “We’re not just going to show up and beat teams.”
HOW DO YOU LACK INTENSITY AT HOME IN THE FIRST GAMEOF THE PLAYOFFS?
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
They're still bummed about KG
This team feeds off KG and I don’t think they’ve come to terms with the fact that he’s not coming back (at least for this series). You tell it for just watching them. They were distracted.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont buy that at all
he hasnt played in almost 2 months….
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever...
WE’RE ALL BUMMED ABOUT KG!!!!!!!!
The company line has been that he’ll be back for the playoffs no matter what. The playoffs are here and he’s not back. Mentally, some off our players haven’t come to grasps with that. After this loss, I’m sure they’ll bounce back. But today, they didn’t come to play.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
pierce said he prepared himself
about KG 10 games ago…no way these guys are caught off guard by this
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierce is Pierce
You would expect him to say that. I’m talking about the rest of the guys and the spirit of the team as a whole—it’s hurting right now without KG. I think losing the first game of the playoffs is enough to jump start the team, but it’s a bad sign that it had to come to that.
Another thing about Pierce: it’s great that he’s been preparing for life without KG, but my worry is that he’ll try to do TOO MUCH out there to overcompensate. Doc said it in the postgame: everybody was trying to make up for KG’s absence by doing it themselves, when they should have been trusting their teammates. We had terrible ball movement most of the game and that, again, is part of the problem with KG being out. Not only is our spirit weakened, we’re trying to compensate in a counterproductive manner. Like I said above, I think this loss will help us have the right spirit next time out…
Sure, we’ve had 2 months to prepare without KG, but I think the reality finally set in TODAY that KG ain’t coming back (though personally I hold out hope that he will, assuming we get by Chicago).
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Never thought I`d be saying this...
But, we might be better off if the Bulls put us all out of our misery quickly.
KG is history until at least next year…and the Celts played as if they suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome! Their hearts are no longer in it.
The quicker this season ends {which turned into a nightmare starting in Feb.} the better.
Couldn't agree less
It’s one game in a seven-game series. I’m not jumping off any ledges.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Any post-game comments from Ray ?
I guess what he will say has more points than he has scored this afternoon.
Guys I think it'll be ok
I think. Pistons has the same problem with the Sixers last year and still won the series in 6. Everyone other than Rajon played a mediocre to atrocious game and we still only lost by 2 in OT.
ugh...this is not a one game thing...
they have played this way for the last 10-15 games…start slow…get the lead back…struggle in the 2nd quarter and then let someone bail them out late….this is a trend..not a one time thing
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Garnett is not walking through those doors
Well he is, but hes not going to sit on the bench, Kevin garnotonthebench.
Just a bad performance today, most if not all the credit goes to the bulls…the refs may not have "favored"" the home team, but they called the game even. thats what you want
by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Why is does he act like such a baby sometimes?..
I know KG has an intense personality and doesn’t mess around when it comes to playing the game, but why every time he is injured, he can’t suit up and he doesn’t even sit on the bench the whole game to support his teammates. You can argue that he can’t watch the game knowing he can’t play it, but don’t you think he should suck it up and stay to help out his TEAM, not just because he doesn’t want to stay out there. I was disappointed with that, but not with the loss. I said that you guys would have trouble without KG and it definitely was. You lost at HOME! Do you think it will just get easier on the road?!!! That’s not gonna happen. I would seriously be scared if I was a Celtics fan or player. The Bulls now know that they CAN beat you on your home floor, and now all their focus will be doing the same thing to defend THEIR home court.
by NBA FAN on Apr 18, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
NBA FAN: "I would seriously be scared if I was a Celtics fan or player."
Not feeling the fear at all.
I seem to remember an upstart Sixers team stealing one last year. What was the result of that series? Less similiar was the Hawks-Celtics series which turned out to be a lot of fun, but still another series where the better team prevailed.
No reason for panic here. Give the Bulls credit for coming out strong. Wish our team had learned to do that during the regular season. Now they’ll have to adjust to the circumstances. It is what it is.
by Thruthelookingglass on Apr 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We always seem to draw a bad matchup
Or is it that we are incapable of beating a good team without Kevin Garnett. Joakim Noah kicked BBD’s ass today. So did the Tyrus Virus. Rose outplayed Rondo. Gorden outplayed Ray Allen decisively. Our bench did NOTHING. Stephon Marbury is not a playoff tested veteran. Pierce and Salmon cancelled each other out.
62 wins is overrated at this point.
Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions
Yikes! What a range of emotions today...
The Cs didn’t have the right intensity to start the game, went long stretches without moving the ball on offense, and couldn’t stop Rose at all in the open court. It was terribly disappointing to say the least, especially the lack of intensity.
I thought the officiating was uneven at best. At the end of regulation, Hinrich tackled Rondo and ended up knocking the ball away (earlier, in a similar play, Baby was called for a foul for doing the same thing). Later, after the ball was given back to the Bulls, Rose elbowed and pushed Rondo to get the ball and Rondo was the one that got the foul, with only 10 seconds left. That was two bad calls in a row at the end of the game that allowed the Bulls to stay in it. Later, in overtime, Salmons clearly fouls Pierce on the way to the rim, but the officials just give us the ball out of bounds (after the ball clearly was out on Pierce).
I also thought it was an outrage the way Noah set illegal pick after illegal pick, moving and leaning into Rondo continuously and didn’t get called for a foul once in 53 minutes of basketball. And this after Perk was called for a cheap moving pick foul in the first quarter. Again, there was no consistency.
I’m not saying bad calls didn’t help the Celtics from time to time. I’m just saying that at big moments Derrick Rose was treated like D-Wade and meanwhile Rondo and Paul Pierce were treated like Gabe Pruitt and Bill Walker. I guess I was under the impression that you had to earn superstar calls, not simply be given them in your first playoff game. But maybe I’m crazy, since this game was officiated by Bennet Salvatore and Eddie F. Rush, and those two guys do their best to screw the Cs.
I still think we’ll win this series. I don’t think Rose will play as well as he did the rest of the series, nor will Ray Allen play that bad. We need to put the ball in Rondo’s hands and let him create; Rose cannot guard anyone and by putting the ball in Rondo’s hands, we’ll hopefully improve the ball movement. I ain’t scared yet, but this was a hell of way to start our title defense.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
end of half
Salmon what did you think of the play before the half. the clock stopped, did Brad Miller make that in time? How come we didn’t see a replay of that?
by tonyallenisbest on Apr 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was watching Comcast--they didn't say anything about it
My bro was watching ESPN and he said the clock stopped a couple times in that possession and that they were looking at it during halftime. I never did see a replay. Anybody else see it?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
SalmonAndMashedPotatoes
“As a player, he feeds off his emotion to an extent that no other human ever has…and now you want to come along and criticize him for having emotions when it’s the emotions that have carried him—and us—this far. Wise up, buddy. He’s hurting, physically and spiritually.”
You make KG sound like a little 3-year old girl…Oh he’s hurting emotionally…he can’t stand not helping his team. IF HE WANTS TO HELP HIS TEAM SO BADLY SUCK IT UP AND ACT LIKE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE GAME!!…AT LEAST FOR YOUR TEAMMATES’ SAKE. DON’T BE SUCH A BABY…INJURIES HAPPEN..YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE BEST IN EVERYTHING. KG SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT HE CAN DO RATHER THAN WHAT HE CAN’T DO. ACT YOUR AGE!
by NBA FAN on Apr 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
Whatever
Man, I don’t even care what you think. He’s KG, he’s hard to understand, especially for someone like you.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what is most disappointing is this
team taking the bulls for granted…you think they would have learned from the atlanta series last year
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Powe was a nonfactor?
Powe was terrific with the time he got, imo big baby was the non factor. If Doc needs another 20/10 starter he should start Powe.
Just a thought
Powe may be limited by conditioning. He just came back and may not be entirely ready for long minutes.
by Thruthelookingglass on Apr 18, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that
Could still be an issue, that’s right. Good point to bring up Glass.
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby was good, Powe was underutilized...
Powe was a beast in the first half…nobody could stop him in the post. What happened in the 2nd half? He didn’t get one low post opportunity at all. Ridiculous! We had terrible ball movement and Powe’s game suffered.
The problem with Powe is that he duplicates Perk’s skill set. You can’t play Perk and Powe together because it clogs up the lane. So, Baby has to be out there all the time because he stretches the floor. Unfortunately, if Mikki had learned the defense, we could play him and Powe…but Mikki’s terrible on defense and that’s what is impacting Powe’s playing time. He should have played more and we should have looked for him more…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
The Powe and Perk thing people always talked about in the past, but Powe’s multiple 20/10’s came when he played with Perk as a starter. BBD can’t really stretch the offense imo because all coaches would rather have him take that streaky jump shot rather then barrel in. Del Nigro wanted him to take the jump shot over and over again today, and it helped him. A front line of Powe and Perk would have crushed those two girly front line players Noah and Thomas.
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
While I'm aware that people enjoy ripping on how he looks,
what portion of Noah’s 17-rebound day qualified as ‘girly’?
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 18, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
His girly-man hair, I want to punch the screen when he’s on it, it looks so ridiculous. =/
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
noah is another andy v.
and i so wish boston had a guy like that…dirty work inside,,,hustle
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's what Doc says..he doesn't like the Perk/Powe lineup
I think it’s clear Powe needed to play more in this game and we needed to look for him more…same for Perk. But that’s what happens when nobody’s passing the ball, it never gets into the low blocks.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Apr 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a shame
Doc doesn’t read CelticsBlog, i’d like to tell him that Perk/Powe playing together disadvantage/catastrophe doesn’t exist. Ask Memphis and Cleveland =)
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Lookit, a close game and both Paulie and Ray couldn’t match their poor performance together again in any seven game series, and most importantly, they know it!
Down one, we move on with the series, with better effort, desire and execution from those two and we’re fine. The Bulls cannot play any better than seen today; Whereas that is the opposite for Paul, Rays and Houses potential to totally take over games!
No fear here! Win some and lose some and you learn some, and you move on ;)
But I like the challenge the Bulls put up, they played outa their minds, this is playoff basketball folks!!!
Indefatigable on Defence defines these Celtics~
"The Bulls cannot play any better than seen today...
…; Whereas that is the opposite for Paul, Rays and Houses potential to totally take over games!" (quoting you)
Totally agree with you. Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons and Brad Miller were so on their best game on Saturday…
The Game chose him !
We were gahbige and
the Bullz took advantage of our flat performance.
Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions
Leon Powe
needs to play more than 17 minutes. He had 8 points and 8 rebounds in that time span, and had six free throw attempts in his first five minutes…I think he’s the only one capable of matching Noah’s energy. Noah has 5 offensive boards, good for five extra Bulls possessions. I bet we’d like to have those back. I was really surprised Doc didn’t play Leon more. Glen gave us three rebounds today. I think we need to see what Leon’s got.
Nah
Doc would rather go play golf this season early then give the starting position to Leon.
by Scalablob990 on Apr 18, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good game
Rondo? Wow. If Ray showed up, we win that game. I wouldn’t expect another performance like that out of Tyrus or Rose. Rose is good, but Thib will make adjustments. Thomas had a career night.
Lotsa IFs today...
If ray showed up, If pierce made a free throw, if doc did things differently, if the referee’s… we lost. It happens. I’m ready to figure out how to shut this Chicago team down in game 2 -
any idees?
When we do bad, look at all the analyzing/traffic
guess thats how it works ehh…im logging out of here for some air.
"....you can't handle The Truth"
Speaking as a lifetime Bulls fan
I had no problem with your assessment of the officiating. That’s a fan right, and we all do it, and I get it. Nice blog. I clearly hope we win, but I also know you guys got pretty unlucky with KG and that’s a bummer, because as a basketball fan, watching a quality club play is a blast, even if they beat your team, and I’d rather see you full up. Keep up the good work, nice entertaining blog.
i can't put this one on the refs
boston had chances and played poorly…the bulls deserved to win
by celticinorlando on Apr 18, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Brice, appreciate the feedback... Jeff and Steve, et al, deserve all kudos...
Bulls played great, Rose was unconscious, but we may be able to bring it a little bit better in the next few games, I sure as hell am pulling for that…
good to see Chi-town fans with class and interest…
Give the refs a break!
I had no problme with the calls at the end:
1) Heinrich ran into Pierce, bought the fake, good calll, Pierce on the line for 2, no question.
2) If ref #1 is screened and it didn’t see that a Celt hit the ball from the Bull player, than it is obviously not a double dribble. If ref #2 has the clear correct call on that type of play, good overturn. Just like the foot on the line for a 3 pointer, if ref #1 misses but they catch it, they correct it.
3) Noah walluped Pierce, no brainer, good call, Pierce shoots 2.
4) Rajon raked Rose across the face and caught him in the eye. Obviously Rondo got him in the face and Rose spent the next few minutes blinking continously. If it was reversed and Pierce got whacked in the face no call, we’d be griping. An unintentional foul by Rondo, but a foul nevertheless.
Refs were 4 for 4- A+ for this 4 play exam. Bulls beat us fair and square, no bellyaching about the refs at the end. in my opinion.
Dosen't matter
Does anyone here really think the C’s can beat the Cav’s, let alone win the title? When KG went down, so did all hopes of a repeat. So when they dump a home opener to the Bulls, it’s not surprising. They know they have no chance at another ring without KG, and played accordingly.
I think this team without KG can beat Cleveland
I admit we have not yet seen it, lately or today, but I believe the learning curve on this team is a rapid incline, and it’s possible for this team to muster sustained quality defense throuout the playoffs, and getting more “big stops” when it matters as we go along. I trust Doc’s and staff’s approach to the game and their teaching and coaching skills, and I trust the team’s heart, and the locker-room chemistry. I believe in the skills and talents of the players, and I’ve witnessed the steady progression throughout the season of the role players ability to be key in the gut out wins so far, with more to come.
Cleveland is Hot Hot Hot and riding high. Le Bron is a monster and the rest are capable. I know how much toll is taken by playoff series, and when they meet the Celts it will be down to clutch plays, and I trust the C’s to make them. Matchups? Stats? History? Which discussion we have about WHY Boston can beat Cleveland doesn’t matter, each one has two infinite sides. In sports, anything is possible…
If the Celts are lucky enough to get to the ECF
I hope they can take it at least to 6 games. Without KG, they will find it difficult to win more than one game at home against the Cavs.
i hope the team doesn't have the attitude
they just have to worry about beating the bulls first.
and they’re going to need to improve to beat upper echelon teams. the performance they had out there today would have been a beat down by a higher quality opponent.
NO WAY.
I know you are defending your team and that is respectable, but this Celtics team is NOT beating Cleveland. Cleveland’s bench is WAY too deep and the team chemistry is off the charts, especially in the Q. The dynamic duo of Mo Williams and Lebron is tough to stop and Lebron can find ANY of his teammates at almost any time, which needs attention. Without KG I don’t think the Celtics are making it any farther than the second round.
by NBA FAN on Apr 18, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
LOL, That shut him up...
And I concur with your detailed reasons above; Adjustments Will be made; Along with the duos shooting %s, and some of those boards %s were also the bounce of the ball, rather than just lenth of the Bulls!
A bit of adversity will stir the Beast!
Indefatigable on Defence defines these Celtics~
Officiating
I don’t blame the refs for this Celtics loss. The Celtics appeared to be lost for too much of this game.
That said, after watching many bad calls and non-calls in NBA, MLB, NFL and NHL games, I have to say there is no group of officials in any of these leagues who miss or blow more calls (including many that go in favor of the teams I support) than NBA referees. I don’t claim to have the answer to the problem, and it may be just the nature of the game, but I can’t help wondering if the league wouldn’t be better off with no referees at all.
Horrible game.
I’m completely disgusted at the way we played today. Rondo was HORRIBLE.
We need to get back to playing defense and moving the freaking ball. Otherwise it’s over.
I’m not giving up on them, I’m just disappointed because I know that they are a better team than they were today.
LET’S GO CELTICS! IT’S THE PLAYOFFS, WAKE UP!
rondo was our best player…yet you single him out as being horrible
duh du du
by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 19, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The better team won and will continue to win!
All right time for a reality check. Celtics are Raptors sans KG.
The series is over and Ray is done. Let the rebuilding begin.
Look on the bright side
At least they won’t have to feel humiliated again by Cleveland’s victory dance.
When our beloved Celts...
cannot beat a .500 team at home, in the playoffs…you know the situation is way worse than any of us imagined.
I can`t stand to see the Celts go down like this, after they worked so hard this year to repeat. This is so damn unfair what happened to KG! They did not deserve to see injuries once again kill their championship dreams. Seriously, they would have 23 banners without this crap always happening to them!
Fate has already seen to it that they won`t repeat, so I just want this misery to be over with as soon as possible!
i'm with you. it's not hard to read the map
i’m wondering if the short playoff rest for the monday game favors the young bulls (though rose played 50) or the bounce-back celts (with a lot of older players playing over 40).
i thought the 2nd half today was going to be a war (and it was) but game 2 should be even more intense.
This Bulls team is not a .500 team !
Not since all-star break (and the trade that brought Salmons and Miller in for the Noce and rew Gooen).
The Game chose him !
Well 240 comments should be plenty but......
Seems to me the game was lost because Boston has a predictable offense that is made even more ineffective by everyone standing watching the ball. In today’s game more often than not the ball was alway kept to the side of the court it came down on. The weak side offense made little attempt to free anyone away from the ball. There were plenty of screens for the ball handler but not many away.
Additionally when Noah can get 15+ rebounds and nothing is done to correct it its going to be a short playoff. But one poster was right on target when he mentioned Noahs moving screens. It happened every time. Doc needs to wake up.
Move the ball. (the proverbial extra pass). Move away from the ball (if you dont move, no has to guard you and help comes easier). Keep the bigs near the basket for offensive rebounds. Back to basics.
Hopefully this loss will be a nice hard slap ion the face.
Same old things
Just like the last time we lost to the Bulls near the end of the season, Rose killed us and we gave up too many rebounds. Aganist quick penetration guides such as Parker, Rose and not to mention Wade, we are clueless.
Since KG went out, our defense has never been the same; no where neear where we were last year. Whether Davis or Powe starts, our frontline are small and lack height.
Then Ray Allen looked so lost in the game, I guess he is still finding his way to the new Garden, W/O KG and Ray Allen, we are basically back to the 06 Celtics.
Couldn't see the game but........
Derek Rose will be a Chris Paul like stud! Rondo will be a great player I’m sure but not a stud! Unless Paul picks up his game during games like this one he will never be mentioned in the same breath as Lebron and Kobe. He is still a sure fire hall of famer but LJ and KB are just in different leagues as of now.
Powe and BBD, well I think Powe deserves more criticism but BBD’s window is now starting close as fare grace periods. However, and without question? Ray deserves the most heat in my opinion. If you are 0-6 from behind the arc and 1-12 over all go to the flippin hole and try to draw a foul! Creat your offense! Manufacture points something that MJ was so good at.
As for the rest of the team. I think Marbury has got to be the leader of that second unit or it’s hopeless and Perk has got to be Mr. Double double with KG out. A lot will be learned from this and if we lose in this round or the next then Ainge( My wished to him and his family) is going to have a challenging off season.
Now, I may eat my words and they could win the next 4 in a row and go all the way to the ECF. However unlikely that now seems.
Has there ever been worse three day stretch in Celtic history?
KG officially out for the playoffs…Ainge`s heart attack…Lose Game #1 at home to a .500 team?
We have to face reality…Chicago now smells Celtic blood in the water. They are 100% convinced that they will win this series, and confidence is half the battle. In hindsight, it looks like they knew KG would be out, given the way they tanked their last regularly season game at home vs. Toronto.
Who would`ve predicted this just a few weeks ago?
The Bulls actually wanted us as a first round opponent!!!!
*Looks at the number of replies to this article*
Makes a gesture as if to take off glasses, since he doesn’t really wear any
My god.
As far as the game…knew we were in trouble when Pierce missed that second FT. Didn’t even know the Bulls had no timeouts, which makes it harder to think about. Maybe the fact the C’s didn’t luck themselves into a win will make them realize what it means to be in the playoffs, since for some reason they forgot, or they were just plain cold.
Or, of course, both.
Wake up, smell the beans
They way the Celtics have played the last month, this game should NOT be a shock. Yet, for most of us Celtic fans we still maintained hope and believed that come playoff time they would crank it up.
Not happening. Even if they pull off this series, to have horrible performances by their starts at home, does not bode well for the remainder of the playoffs.
It’s easy to say that Perkins has to be Mr. Double Double, or that Powe and BBD need to step up. But they are not going to change their skill level, concentration, and mental adjustments overnight. This is why I never understood (or condoned) KG’s absence for all those games. He could have played the role of assistant coach and still helped guide the younger players.
I blame this game on Ray Allen, almost entirely. 1-12 is unacceptable. As a Super Star, h needs to vary his offensive threats when his outside shot is not falling.
PP is not Kobe or LBJ or Dwayne Wade. It’s not about the points or the turnovers (which were mediocre enough). It’s about the decision making, leadership and FOCUS down the stretch.
How many ‘off days’ are our stars going to have before we accept that they are not playing well. It’s not an off day. It’s an off year. Yes, we won 62 games. Yes, we had a lot of injuries. There is a LOT of context we can put on this season. For fans there will always be a footnote. For the record books, the next generation will only remember who won the Finals (and maybe the runner up).
It’s not happening this year. Ubuntu is not manifesting itself.
"its an off year. yes we won 62 games"
best off year ever?
by TheAncientRivalry on Apr 19, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Berkeley 1297
Well, I think you just out did me! That just about sums up what I thought I was trying to say but in a more concise fashion!
It really does make you look at Dwayne Wade and the rest and realize just wow are they that good?!
The first SERIOUS sign of trouble this year came on Feb. 5
At home vs. Lakers….that was a major “revenge-statement” game from the Xmas loss. LA was playing their 3rd road game in 4 nights, without their starting center {Bynum}. KG`s injury was still 2 weeks away.
Conservatively speaking, Boston needed a solid double digit win in order for Celtic Nation to feel good. Instead, we got an OT loss!
That was a major eye-opener. From that moment on, it was clear that this was a very different year from last year. The Celts were now very vulnerable against the top NBA powers. Soon after, the injuries piled up.
Agreed
I absolutely agree. When we lost to LAL I got VERY nervous, but still was trying to be positive, looking for every possible pattern from history that might give me hope. I still think PP, RA, and KG (with the emerging great play of RR) have great chemistry and are the BEST in the league. However, they have not played consistently, and this year the smothering defense is absent all too often. The loss to LAL in LA and then again in Boston, were very worrisome.
by Berkeley1297 on Apr 19, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Not worried.
It was one game — yes, first of the Playoffs, but one game nonetheless. It was certainly disgusting to watch the Green sea part for Rose every time he decided to access the hoop, and it was frustrating to watch Ray have such an off day, but I don’t for a minute think that this Celts team is going to allow this to be their epitaph.
Game 2 will be very interesting, and I predict a very different scene on this board when the dust clears…
Go Celts!!!
NBA = Wrestling with a large orange ball. The superhero has to get pummeled by the villain so we can feel sorry for him, and then the superhero, now the underdog, rises from death’s door like a phoenix, and the win is so much more sweet.
I’ve seen this team, and especially Pierce, come back from more adversity than this. If they lose Monday night, than I’ve got the storyline wrong.
If the Celts fall behind in the second quarter, watch Doc get thrown out of the game over a non-call as Allen gets smothered by 3 Bulls. Take that move right out of Red’s motivational unwritten book, Chapter 3, Verse 4.
The Marbury Curse
I just knew as soon as Marbury started talking about joining the celtics it was over. " it would be an honor to wear the green and white…..blah blah….." Whatever…. this guy makes every place he go to worse, Tech,( even the bucks who drafted him) wolves, nets, suns, knicks,. And the team that gets rid of him always get better the next year. The celtics now have the curse, there all done.
Rondo's game
Rondo’s individual battle with Rose was one of the reasons we lost. Biggest was getting outworked on the boards.
When Rondo pounds the ball instead of getting us into our sets we are a stagnet team. Ray needs rondo to set him up on the break and get him the ball early in the shot clock so he can get into rythm. I believe that was one reason for his bad game.
Roles are important and Rondo being a scorer isn’t his role. He needs to get everyone invovled becuase only PP can get his. Everyone else feeds off Rondo and PP. C’s system isn’t set up like say New Orleans where CP dominates the ball. We depend on ball movement more then pick & roll or dribble drives. If Rondo drives with 5 or 6 sec on shot clock thats OK but early in like 12 or more it hurts becuase we loss our court balance. PP or RA can’t stop Rose in the open court.
Need Rondo to get back to running our team and presuring the ball full court. Bulls put a little inbounds presure on us early on it costs us a TO and took ball out of rondos hand. That changed tempo early on & we didn’t respond at the defensive end & rondo was at fault. He needs to apply ball presure on rookie from baseline to baseline, go back to to running our sets or drive/shoot late into shot clock,
and get back in transition to stop Mr Rose because PP & RA just can’t to it.
There was some play near the end of the game (I think it was about 30 secs to go in the fourth) that really bugged me.
Chicago went with their three guards, and Salmons, and one big man. Boston where playing defense, and Doc decided to match up with Chicago, fair enough … but then he choose to take Perkins out instead of BBD. Immediately the eyes start rolling because there’s no shot blockers and you know a layup is coming, or you’ll miss a valuable offensive rebound, and what do you know, Derrick Rose gets the ball, slices into the paint and easily finishes over the small Glen Davis. It took all of five seconds and was one of the easiest baskets of the night and it happened on a crucial possession.
Why wasn’t Perkins on the floor? Bad decision.
spot on
I was screaming that out loud at the time, but no one was listening. Everything about this game was poor from the celtics, the coaching included.
rondo included
although he kept the celtics in the game at times. at key points he took his foot of the gas and the offense stagnated.
Three Reasons
The Celtics lost this game because of three main reasons
(1) Ray Allen and Paul Pierce — Ray-Ray had a shocker of a performance. Pierce had a below average performance (by his standards).
(2) The Celtics starting big men where very poor on the glass. Glen Davis got 3 rebounds in 39 minutes (one every 9.9 mins) which would be fine if he was a point guard. Kendrick Perkins got 8 rebounds, but he played a huge 43 minutes, which meant he only got a rebound every 5+ minutes which is very poor for a big man. As a result, the Celtics got slaughtered on the boards.
Perkins can’t afford to have poor rebounding or defensive performances with KG out. The C’s can’t sustain them.
I also want to see Leon Powe play more minutes. He’s too productive versus BBD for there to be that large of a minutes difference, especially when Davis is having one of those nights where he is killing the team with his lack of rebounding.
(3) Derrick Rose had a career game
You could also add a fourth reason and be rightly negative over the defensive effort given by the C’s.
……………………………………………………………….
Anyone of those three things changes and Boston wins the game.
The only way Chicago wins this series is if Boston loses it’s nerve — and their confidence is surely shaken after the loss of KG, and then losing game one in this manner. So big test to the C’s mental strength right now.
Mine is coming this afternoon, should be up shortly
Sorry to keep ya waiting…:-D
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That said,
I think Green really hit it on the head in most regards for this one – plus he hit us with a sadly spot-on opening line.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on Apr 19, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, how much more does the game need to be discussed (on either side)?
Game 1 was all about how much KG was going to be missed (a whole lot), and if the Bulls were up to the playoff pressures (yes). Game 2 is going to be more about the actual gameplans of either team.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
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