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Sometimes, Classics Go the Wrong Way

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It might have been a bit hard to appreciate it amidst the haze of finding a series that sat tantalizingly close to 3-1 in the green's favor suddenly tied at two games apiece, but the Celtics and Bulls played a great game on Sunday afternoon in Chicago.

Yesterday's double-overtime thriller at the United Center epitomized what playoff basketball is all about. 

It wasn't perfect basketball because the players are humans rather than robots.  We saw pressure and unkind iron get to several of the most important performers, especially at the foul line.  This offered us the chance to see those players and their teams recover from those mistakes.  Twice, great free-throw shooters missed freebies in the final two minutes of regulation or overtime and then came back to hit game-tying three-pointers in the period's final 10 seconds.

Two fine young point guards put on yet another display of offensive dominance.  One notched his second triple-double of the week.  The other fell an assist short of posting his first in just the fourth playoff game of his career.

Coaches stuck to their big guns and relied on short benches.  Two players went more than 50 minutes, and two more eclipsed the 48 that marks the length of a regulation game. 

The requisite fireworks that come between two teams battling tooth and nail every time out materialized in the fourth quarter when the Infuriated Infant and Brad Miller got into it.

Fans paid to see what usually amounts to a two-and-a-half-hour sporting event got something closer to three and a half hours.  Those watching from home got the joy of the finest national broadcast team around in Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson.  Just imagine spending more than an eighth of your day with a couple of Disney or Turner's other broadcasting teams.  This was a blessing.

A three-pointer sent the game to overtime.  Another three-pointer sent the game to double-overtime.  A great defensive play prevented yet another trey from sending the game to a third extra session.

The United Center crowd remained on its feet for a long time as it witnessed a mesmerizing seesaw of momentum during the second half.  Watching from my living room, I covered more ground pacing a five-foot radius than I do when I go out for my daily run.  Of the fellows that got their workouts on the court, not a single one left without looking like he hadn't put everything he had on the floor. 

In every game featuring a winner, someone also has to go home a loser.  It never feels good to be on that side of the scoreboard.

But that doesn't make yesterday's contest any less incredible of a game, the third (and most exciting) of its kind in the four that have taken place in this series.  Hats off to the Chicago Bulls for pulling it out.

Star-divide

Musings from the second pulse-pounding extra-session(s) loss of this first round series:

  • Rajon Rondo is playing at an insane level of offensive basketball right now.  But as my buddy Lee mentioned after the game, perhaps the most enjoyable of all Raj's work yesterday was his sprinting to the baseline to save the ball off John Salmons and out of bounds after Ray Allen's missed free throw.  He's finishing all kinds of shots around the rim, pushing the offense in transition and grabbing caroms like a man who stands 6-foot-11 rather than 6-foot-1.  Still playing on a bum ankle, he led all participants with 55 minutes logged and still only gave the ball away once.  The national coming-out party continues.
  • My only R2 complaint on offense: The ill-advised dribble-dribble-dribble-jumper possession on the final set of the first overtime.  That's not the shot the Celtics want in that spot.
  • On the other side, Derrick Rose didn't play like any slouch either.  While he needs to do a better job taking care of the ball (seven turnovers), the man attacks the rim like a freight train.  Count me curious to see whether the Celtics continue to switch screen-and-rolls against him and allow Rose to isolate against big men.
  • The Celtics shot 28-for-32 from the charity stripe.  That's 87.5 percent, well better than the  18th-ranked 76.5 percent figure during the regular season.  And the Raptors' first-ranked 82.4 percent mark.  Paul Pierce, who shot 83 percent for the season (and who shoots 79.8 percent for his career), went 8-for-9 at the line.  The timing of that one miss was horrific, no doubt, but considering how player and team shot from the line as a whole (and that the Bulls went 26-for-35), I'm not going to pound anyone over the head with the idea that this team blew the game from the foul line.
  • John Salmons made exactly two field-goals during regulation.  That's largely a credit to the strangling defense played on him by Paul Pierce through much of the first four periods.  That Salmons heated up after Vinny Del Negro went small and moved him to the four (forcing the Celtics to move Pierce to Kirk Hinrich and Brian Scalabrine to Salmons) wasn't a coincidence.
  • Pierce turned the ball over three times in the final two minutes of regulation and beyond and had the final shot of the game blocked by John Salmons (credit Salmons for a great albeit risky play).  This was disgusting.  His shooting from the field could have been better, too.  Pierce's play left room for improvement in several areas.  Not found on that list: effort.
  • Another couple of huge shots for Ben Gordon.  Though Tony Allen wound up way behind him on a screen late in regulation, he made up enough ground to combine with Glen Davis to make Gordon's running bank shot far from easy.  His three to tie the game in the final seconds of overtime came contested as well.  In the future, on plays like the Gordon runner, it would be great if the Infant could slide to the spot a bit more quickly and seal off Gordon from attacking with his right hand.
  • Kendrick Perkins committed three offensive fouls (two in the fourth quarter) and a loose ball foul 80-plus feet from the opposing basket before fouling out in regulation.  This is not good.
  • It's tougher than ever to get upset with the Pugnacious Papoose considering how far he has come this season, but he was a disaster around the rim yesterday.  He had a fine stretch in the fourth quarter that featured a great dish to Rondo, a made jumper and a drawn charge, and he made a great play to tip the ball out to Paul Pierce for the three that brought the Celts to within one in the second overtime.  It's good to see him making contributions when his shot isn't falling.  But that doesn't make the missed bunnies any less frustrating on this particular day.
  • Three blocks for each member of the Bulls' starting frontcourt of Salmons, Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah.  Double-doubles for Thomas and Noah as well.  They are continuing to cause problems on the interior.
  • I have no problem with not fouling at the end of the first overtime.  Though it wasn't the case yesterday, the Bulls shot better than the Celtics from the free throw line all season and have been better throughout this series.  A good three-point shooter makes four out of 10 from beyond the arc, and the percentage shouldn't be that good when the defensive team knows that the offense needs a three.  Whether or not Pierce was a half-step slow in chasing Gordon, he still forced him to make a difficult shot, and Gordon did just that.  Good on the shooter.  I'm not going after Doc Rivers for this one.
  • If Doc weren't so busy coaching the defending champions, he could probably make a full-time salary elsewhere just for his ability to draw up late-game offensive sets out of timeouts.  The Celtics got Ray Allen a great look to tie the game in regulation.  Though he didn't hit the shot with the Celtics down four in overtime, Doc drew up a play that used screens to free Ray in the right corner to receive an inbounds pass from the left hash mark.  The design and execution were perfect right up until Allen bricked the shot.  That happens sometimes.  But it's far from the first time we've seen the Celts get a great look in a waning-seconds spot this season, particularly from the perimeter.  Several have resulted in baskets.
  • Kirk Hinrich works hard at the defensive end.  Really hard.  He has impressed me all series.
  • Loved seeing Scal hit a three to open overtime.  It would have been that much nicer to see a big shot like that come in a win.  Next time, perhaps.
  • At some point, the redhead hammered a Chicago big man under the basket on a late rotation, and I remember thinking to myself, "That's a P.J. Brown foul right there."  The defensive movement wasn't perfect, but Scal made absolutely sure that his man earned his points at the foul line without any chance at finishing a lay-up uncontested.
  • Much as I enjoyed the broadcast crew, I can't resist ending with a memo from the Department of Things Mark Jackson Actually Said On Air: After a made three-pointer, Jax used the phrase "Brad Miller doing what he does best" to narrate the replay of the center hitting the shot.  Impressive that the big man has made it through 11 seasons in this league given that shooting 32.9 percent from the three-point line is his area of expertise.

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Scal

The big Scal moment of the game for me is when he took the charge (from Rose, I think). Spotting up and hitting open shots is one thing. Stepping up and taking that sort of contact without hestitation, after what he’s been through, was even more impressive to see. And such a relief that he did so with no apparent ill effects — you knew that contact would come at some point, and I’ve been half holding my breath whenever Scal was on the court, waiting for that first serious physical contact.

by MattD on Apr 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too many excuses for Pierce

The more experience Pierce gets, the less experienced his play. And folks still make excuses for him. The guy has shown up for exactly one game out the the four games played so far. And he was instrumental in the two losses. The Celtics badly need a floor leader, and Paul Pierce ain’t it.

by The Village Idiot on Apr 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HORIBLE TV CREW

I had to watch the fourth quarter on MUTE beause of the horible bias of the announcers. Saying that BMiller didn’t touch Baby and saying Baby flopped on that play where he literally got wacked in the face on a retalation play, was just downright DISGUSTING and shows they really do hate the Celtics. Miller shoulda been tossed and they were against that because they knew the bulls woulda lost if that was the case.

by Adrigol6 on Apr 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't recall the exact phrasing,

but I’d be stunned if the announcers actually said that Miller “didn’t touch” Baby.

Beyond that, using one example of others disagreeing with your viewpoint (which is likely biased) as evidence of an agenda on the part of those people seems rather shoddy to me.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Wienman

Get a clue buddy!!

by Adrigol6 on Apr 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would take this more seriously

if you had a) offered some substantive criticism of my work or analysis of your own, b) taken the time to at least spell my name correctly or c) not established a history of posts like this in your short time here so far.

Please feel free to clarify what you meant here. I’m always open to civil discussion.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Steve, that yesterday’s was a classic game, and I can appreciate that, since it was only game 4 of the first round. Sometimes, though, there’s too much riding on a game to appreciate the greatness of it when your team is involved and comes out on the losing end. For example, after the Super Bowl where the Pats lost, everyone was like, “What a great game!” That just made me more upset when people said that.

by Stu on Apr 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, absolutely, Stu

I’m not suggesting that any Celtics fans should have been gleeful about what a wonderful game it was – especially yesterday. I was as peeved as anyone when it ended – and as you note, had the series situation been more dire, I probably wouldn’t have been able to write this for today (a week’s recovery might have been useful).

But with nearly 24 hours to step back from yesterday’s events, I thought it a good time to recall that it must have been incredible to watch for those not affiliated with either team or rooting for the Bulls.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a non-biased observer...

That was one heck of a game. Instant classic for sure. Besides the Rockets vs. Blazers series this is the one i’m watching the closest. Man i would sure love to have a PG of Rondo or Rose’s ability on the Blazers.

"And once again we can say, it's a GREAT day to be a Blazer."- Brian Wheeler

by lrh86 on Apr 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

with what you said and thought the article was great.

by Stu on Apr 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

what are the odds there was no foul called on the play pictured here????

by guy incognito on Apr 27, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

worst defense esp by rando, pierce

last six points scored by rose was due to rando’s bad defense. instead of staying in front of him, he would gamble to steal the ball..also he got picked by miller and perkins had to then guard rose, which is kinda impossible to do bcoz of his speed…
and i dont know how u can’t foul someone when u have 3 pt lead and let them shoot…

by Vibe on Apr 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that bothered me too

It isn’t a sure thing, but I would have called for a foul the instant they crossed the 3pt line.

Our free throw shooting was better than our defense, so I would have gladly played the foul-each-other game with a one-point lead rather than rely on our defense to prevent a 3 in that situation.

by Thruthelookingglass on Apr 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baby's Defense?

Let me qualify this by saying that Davis’ role offensively has been a key reason the team offense has returned to a highly effective level. His ability to play KG’s role as floor spacing big man allows driving lanes for Pierce, great P&R screens and outlet for Rondo, and excellent rub-picks for Ray to get open.

However…

When is his defense going to be questioned by anyone? He’s made tremendous strides offensively and is attempting to rebound at an improved rate – but he is the only one of the starting 5 that has changed and the defense of that starting unit has declined tremendously.

Defensive metrics aren’t a good measure of individual defense, but looking at 5 man unit combination, the regular starting 4 with Davis at PF is the worst defensive combination of any of the starting combination featuring KG, Scal, Powe, or Davis at PF.

The offense is excellent when he’s the starting 4, but if he isn’t on his game offensively it gives the opponents an advantage. Pick-and-Role defense and help rotations have been spotty for Davis all season and his man defense against 4’s is not very effective as he gets beat off the dribble and can’t challenge shots in the paint.

The team really has no other options with all the injuries, but I’d like to see a bit more time for Davis at the 5 with Scal taking all of his 15-18 minutes at the 4 – Davis is an above average defender at the 5 because he is quicker and matches the strength of opposing 5’s and can deny them post position.

Perk/Davs/Scal should be it barring foul trouble – Perk/Davis being excellent at the 5 and Scal being more defensively effective at the 4…gotta stop giving up 112 ppg in this series and Davis is the key IMO…

by BillfromBoston on Apr 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting points, BfB

My real problem with him yesterday in particular at that end (as for the overall issues you bring up, there’s certainly no denying here that the team defense gets significantly weaker without KG available, and while BBD puts in the effort, he’s more limited at that end) was that there were a few occasions where I felt that he put too much stock in his good hands and lunged for off-the-dribble steals. This resulted in a couple of blow-bys, particularly when Davis had to step out on the perimeter to play guards off of switches.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know how boxers spar with the foam headgear? couldn’t scal be fitted with similar headgear? what he is wearing does not look sufficient. also, rather than waiting until some time in the 3rd period to set up pp, shouldn’t they keep on going to him in the 1st to get him into the game.

by nazzbo on Apr 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a homer but...

It took the Bulls 2 OTs at home to win. They ARE NBA players too and I’d love to have Hinrich instead of Marbury or T Allen anyday.
 
Village Idiot, I assume you gave yourself that name. No arguments from me. Pierce didn’t get it done in a couple places and he does look tired but he also grabbed a tough put back for an “and one” in crunch time.

Adrigol6, that was a great game. The refs didn’t steal it for any conspiracy theory. I’d be curious. Who do you think killed Kennedy?

Bill from Boston, I respectfully disagree with you about Baby. He didn’t get every rebound but if you got it you felt him on you. His energy was terrific. His hands are fast and like traps. I think his basketball IQ on defense is much better than you do. He slides pretty well.

Tony Allen was put in to guard Gordon when Gordon made the nice runner from the right side. Tony, good enough to take him was two steps behind him. It looked to me like Tony hadn’t mentally oriented himself to being in. Maybe that was unfair of Doc to dust him off then but what a way to show your stuff. They have to look to Walker or Giddens to take Tony’s minutes. Too bad. He has the physical skills. But mentally….whew.

Scal was a real pro. And Rondo is just amazing.

by Wildblu1 on Apr 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post

A few comments to expound:

1. Davis: The guy’s not a great defender, but I really don’t have any issue with his play in a very difficult situation. He makes some defensive plays, and he gets there late on a few. We’ve certainly – certainly – got players on this roster with lower basketball IQs. I love his energy, his handspeed and I definitely want to resign him. He’ll be a key reserve with this kind of improvement.

2. Pierce: It’s interesting – and disheartening – to note the lengths that people will go to defend a guy who can’t come in ready for one play, and whose life is a mess off the court. It’s also interesting – and disheartening – to note how some of those same folks rush to throw a Hall of Famer in Pierce under the bus after a poor handful of games. It shouldn’t surprise me, given the NBA’s penchant for marketing players over teams and the nonsensical revisionist history on this board about Posey last summer. Perhaps it’s another example of “Anonymity on the Internet means never having to admit you’re wrong.”

3. Rondo: Gives me hope for the off-season, going in with four certified stars if KG recovers. If – big if – Ainge and Grousbeck do a better job putting together a competent bench.

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

One other note on the Celtics’ defensive average, which appears to be misstated above.

We’re giving up 98.6 points PPG in regulation, and ESPN puts the per game average – which is skewed by 15 minutes of extra basketball – at 106. Not 112, in either case.

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do we expect so little from Pierce?

Wildblu… Are you happy with Pierce’s perofmance so far? Do you think he’s playing his best basketball? Him grabbing a tough put back is all it takes to get him off the hook? Why the low expectations for Pierce? The guy is the captain, the self proclaimed MVP, the consummate pro, the blah blah blah…

These days all Pierce has to do to earn accolades is to not be too slow, or make one out of two uncontested free throw, or make a decent attempt at defense, or just show up in Celtics uniform. I am no record as not being a big fan of Pierce because I never trusted his full commitment to the cause. Kobe, now that’s a consummate profesiional even if you can quarrel with other aspects of his life.

by The Village Idiot on Apr 27, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exaggerate much?

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never feel like you Steve

Classic games we lose are turned into sad tragedies that I never want to think about again, or reflect upon. Winning is all i want to reflect upon – not losing – that’s not what basketbal is for me. I could never enjoy a great game on tape, or simply think back and say "what a greaty played game that was’ if we lose. I am not made that way.

All the classic CELTIC games played that we lost, I never watch any of those on tape, and I have many of those on tape over the years. When Celtics lose big playoff games (any playoff loss) that are shwon on NBAtv or ESPN from any Celtic era – I never watch. I only watch the games we won as if they were being played live. Then I appreciate the fine art of Celtic basketball – cause that’s all there is to me. All the rest is forgotten history except for the pain.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Apr 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're not as far as you'd think

I’m willing to label the game a classic – but I’m not hanging around to watch reruns of this game on tape or years down the road. The Celtics have won more than enough classics, and I’m happy to be undefeated in voluntary trips down memory lane.

But with all that in mind, it seemed fair to pay homage today to the spirit of the competition we saw yesterday.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The coach in me forces me to look at the game again. Still don’t see anything but a missed assignment here and a blown layup there – nothing that can’t be corrected rather easily.

Excellent piece, as always, Professor – one with which I’m in total agreement.

More on that down the road in this thread.

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What exact level are you Coach?

Calling yourself “Coach” strikes me as a bit of “Hey look at me I am a coach”. College, Pro, HS, Jr High, YMCA, ? You have talked about breaking down film in other posts. How did you obtain these skills? Just curious – hope I am not calling you out inappropriately but coaches usually don’t’ call themselves Coach.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Apr 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been at the small college level, at HS now, may be headed back to the small college level. Seventeen years.

And if you’re among coaches, they all call each other Coach.

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for the record, I’m not sure that going by a family nickname calls for any more attention than basketball opinion offered in, uh, unique allegory, eh?

To each their own.

by CoachBo on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bo and Po do rhyme

My late father coached semi-pro baseball for a time so I know all about the life of a coach and athletics. I grew up on a ball field shagging fly balls and was a basketball gym rat in the offseason.

My love was always basketball not baseball. So Coach – no harm meant and hopefully no foul called.

I just like coaches to really be coaches because one coach was (and still is) my hero.

It appears you have indeed earned the name coach. No disrespect from this 50 year old gym rat.

peace

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Apr 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I enjoyed that or the Odyssey all that much

back when I had to read them for humanities classes.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Didn't See The Game

I was travelling, unfortunately.

But a classic is a close, exciting game in which both teams played well. I certainly don’t view game 1 as a classic, even though it went to double OT.

In contrast, Game 6 in 1974 was a classic.

by Brickowski on Apr 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would say this qualifies under your definition

Both teams played well – not perfectly, but well. If both teams had played perfectly, the game would still be tied, I imagine.

Also, just a note in the interest of clarity: Game 1 only went one overtime.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why it doesn't qualify

Steve, I would say this does not qualify. The Celtics are playing to the lower standard of the Bulls. Especially a certain MVP.

by The Village Idiot on Apr 27, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure...

That comment from Mark Jackson about Brad Miller was a joke Steve…I believe Van Gundy even chuckled after he said it.

SCOTT

by Vegas Scott on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If that's the case, then I owe Mark an apology.

Thanks for bringing this up, Scott. Must have missed the chuckle as they were heading into commercial.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 28, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk Hinrich works hard at the defensive end. Really hard. He has impressed me all series.

Same here. Honestly, he strikes me as taken for granted by most Bulls fans? I guess partly due to the size of his contract (which strikes me as wrongheaded) and partly because of his struggles last season (no steps forward, two steps back?) which is maybe more fair.

by The Walker Wiggle on Apr 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His contract was not that bad when it was awarded.

It’s just that he kind of regressed last year, and then the Bulls drafted a franchise PG. This (the fact that the Bulls have Rose now) makes his contract a little bit steep for a backup PG. But he’s probably the best back-up PG in the league (or close), and could start for some other NBA playoff teams (Blazers fans, are you here?).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Apr 28, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve!

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you are my favorite basketball writer at the moment, but this piece contained one of the most bizarre and confusing comment I’ve ever read:

“Those watching from home got the joy of the finest national broadcast team around in Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson.”

That hurts, Steve. I feel like all of our conversation prior to tonight are meaningless. I don’t even know you any more. I mean, I can’t believe the guy I have always known to be an astute observer of both basketball and life and a guy who loves a smart turn of a phrase … could have anything but contempt for the most boneheaded panel of amateurs on TV.

Van Gundy is an idiot. Period. His jokes are so lame that I feel embarrassed for him. Stupid puns. He’s a blowhard in the Steven A. Smith/Bill Walton mode. Either he’s so uncomfortable just being himself that he manufactures this loudmouth alter-ego, or maybe he really is just a jerk. The entire 2 hours seems like a cry for attention.

And all that fake bickering with marble-mouth Mark Jackson. Ugh.

Watching Van Gundy just makes me miss Tommy and Mike more acutely. I’d happily take Hubie Brown and Reggie Miller, too. But Van Gundy and Jackson? Come on, Steve.

by Cousin It on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know how it is, Cousin It -

I enjoy hearing from you to the point that if it takes making an outlandish statement just to get your voice on board slamming me for it, so be it. :-D

In all seriousness, here’s my case for them…

-I’ve noted on site before (much to the chagrin of many) that I’m a diehard Breen fan. As a native New Yorker, I always enjoy listening to him do Knicks games with Clyde Frazier – he’s as objective as it comes for a local announcer, and I don’t think he comes off as the Celtics hater that many others see him as during national telecasts. While I’ve noticed him off his game a bit more this year than in the past as far as factual errors are concerned, his “Bang!” call is still one of if not the best catchphrase in the game, he doesn’t over-use yelling/screaming when it’s uncalled for, he knows the game well, knows when to defer to his analysts and always has great chemistry with his color guys. The only play-by-play guy in the game I’d rather listen to is Gorman, with Marv Albert, Gus Johnson and Ralph Lawler rounding out my top five behind them.

-When JVG started in the ESPN booth after the Rockets were eliminated from the 2007 playoffs, I would have agreed with you – not that he was an idiot, but that the humor was contrived and not particularly listenable. But beginning last season and continuing into this one, I think he has found his niche in the booth with the perfect blend of goofy humor and more importantly, great analysis. The humor seems less contrived than it was, and I find him funny enough when he’s making candid commentary about the league, commissioner, referees, etc. More importantly, though, JVG truly strikes me as a brilliant basketball mind, and he’s the most willing of the coaches and ex-players on national sets to give us unvarnished game insight without worrying about dumbing it down for the casual fan. I’d put him up against any analyst in the league.

-I’m not Jax’s biggest fan either – but he’s grown on me because I think he functions well with Breen and JVG from a chemistry standpoint. You and I are clearly especially far apart on that given your mention of the “fake bickering.” I don’t love Jax doing a game as the only analyst, but in a three-man booth, he keeps JVG honest every now and then and offers a player perspective to JVG’s coach side. I don’t mind that.

So that’s my case for the ABC crew.

All that said, it is always a pleasure to hear from you – and I am honored by the many too-kind words draped around your assessment of my insanity on this one particular issue.

The more we hear from you, the better.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 28, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cousin that’s exactly how i feel. I had to mute the whole fourth quarter and tried listening to the radio because of their horible bias against the celtics. They seriously root against the Celtics on the air and are not fair in their analysis. Too bad the delay from radio to tv was like 3 seconds !

by Adrigol6 on Apr 28, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks again, CI

see the last portion of my comment above for more.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 28, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank GOD today’s game is on TNT!! Marv Albert is the man! He’s not biased and puts those idiots on ABC to shame. Any TnT people for that matter. They actually call it both ways!

by Adrigol6 on Apr 28, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong about this,

but I’m fairly certain I heard that it will be Kevin Harlan and Doug Collins on the call tonight.

Is Harlan a Celtics basher too since he screamed “with no regard for human life!” when LBJ dunked in Game 4 of the semis last year?

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UGGGH

I hate Collins, he’s the worse of the tnt announcers. Harlan is ok because he gets pumped for both sides, unlike BReem on ABC. When Baby hit that huge jumper at the end of the game he’s like in a low monotone voice: “Davis with the jumper”

by Adrigol6 on Apr 28, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When the bulls made huge buckets he got all excited all the time.

by Adrigol6 on Apr 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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