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Exhausting

I'm drained. 

I don't think this series will ever, ever, ever end.

Down 13 in the first half, down 11 in the 4th, the Celtics never gave up.  But then again, neither did the Bulls.

None of this has a chance of being coherent, but here we go...

  • 51 for Ray Allen, incredible - and most of that was in regulation.  The man is amazing.
  • 19 assists for Rondo.
  • You know, after 3 overtimes the stats just don't matter anymore
  • Paul Pierce had many opportunities to win this game.  That's not a knock, he's proved himself time and time again.  It just didn't happen tonight and he ended up making a dumb play at the very end.  Too bad.
  • Losing Perkins hurt, but that happens in triple overtime games (I would assume, I don't have a lot of examples to pull from)
  • Tony Allen taking 2 shots in the clutch should never, ever happen.  Baffling.
  • Salmons was huge.  Rose was huge. Brad Miller was huge.  Hats off to all of them.
  • I still hate Noah, but I have to admit, the kid knows his role and plays it well.
  • I'm missing a ton more points but I'm toast.

Now we head back to Boston for game 7.  That will probably go to 5 overtimes.  I wish I could sleep till Saturday.

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Me too.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Apr 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Me too.

I feel like this series is never going to end.

by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks doc rivers

for game 4 and game 6…you crap coaching coast boston this series

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget to thank Vinny del Negro as well ;)

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he called up

a few crucial clutch plays for us after time outs as always

by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This series has given

me a headache literally, I have screamed so much at the TV that it has rattled my brain.

by BigDanz2000 on Apr 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow............

This is history in the making.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate to say this, but....

after a great comeback in the fourth quarter, the veteran Celtics blew this game and likely the series. Honestly, the Bulls deserve to win. I felt so badly for Pierce tonight. Except for a few glimmers he was awful. And what was up with Rondo never taking the ball to the hoop. I know he had 19 assists, which is tremendous, but he truly looked afraid to take the ball to the rim. Amazing how Orlando can win without the defensive player of the year, but the Celtics can’t beat the Bulls.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

And . . .

We beat Orlando without KG this year.

Overreact much?

by rrc589 on Apr 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true

While I agree with your premise regarding overreaction, the Celtics did not beat the Magic without Kevin Garnett this season.

Two wins with him, one loss without him entirely, a second loss with Garnett on limited minutes during his short-lived comeback.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

rondo shouldn't

have tried to win the game for us and just give it to ray. too many times we had awful offensive plays. some of rondo’s also during the last stretch.

by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this one's on doc

for putting tony allen in with an 8-point lead. i don’t care if del negro brings in his smaller unit …

by celtsucka on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

i concur

PP has not been the cap that he should be. what is goin on there? he looks like he is ready to retire already! I fear another drought is coming really soon :-(

Kick in the door waving the 4-4.....all you heard was poppa don't hit me no mo'

by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

One other comment.....

This may be the best playoff series in the history of the NBA, and it is being played by two slightly better than average playoff teams!

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

if rondo plays as scared on saturday as he was tonight, we’re toast

by celtsucka on Apr 30, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc Rivers is a joke

he called a play for Rondo??

Really????

One of the worst coaches. Period. He got by with GREAT talent last year, but he’s someone that gets outcoached repeatedly, and he got pwned by freaking Vinny Del Negro…

a joke.

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

not overreaction, just stating facts...

Doc gets easily flustered in close games…just look at this series.

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are no coaching facts

that doesn’t make sense. rivers has called so many great plays out of time outs especially for ray allen this year for us to win shots with the clock winding down. he’s kept the team together all year with all the injuries and whatever else we got to 62 wins this year and he is still doing the best with the absurdly undermanned team we have right now in the playoffs. that’s a ridiculous statement.

by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Doc have . . .

the highest scoring percentage of all coaches when coming out of timeouts?

Also, he called a brilliant play for Baby earlier.

The Rondo call isn’t a bad call if it works. What if someone was supposed to set a pick for Rondo and missed their assignment? You can’t just automatically pin the blame on Doc for giving it to the guy who has been the best player throughout this entire series.

by rrc589 on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

truth hurts huh?

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on

He made a few decisions you didn’t like tonight, and everything else that he’s done – particularly over the last two seasons – goes down the drain?

It might not hurt to sleep on this one a bit.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Doc Rivers over a whole pile of carpetbagging used-car-salesmen masquerading as basketball coaches.

by Thruthelookingglass on May 1, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doc Rivers is a good coach. Good coaches make decisions that, in hindsight, are bad.

Doc made one tonight, putting Tony Allen on the floor in crunch time and going small, leaving him with only three scorers on the floor since Rondo had gone passive.

Doesn’t mean the guy’s a bad coach, needs fired or all the Draconian Internet nonsense. It means he made a mistake that likely cost us the game in regulation.

by CoachBo on May 1, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He not a bad

coach, but putting Allen in was flat out dumb. Who did he think the bulls were going to force to shoot? Did he think they were going to double TA and force Ray. We needed to keep scoring and we were scoring at will. Why would you disrupt that? Mabey Davis was gassed i dont know, but it was the wrong move.

by angryguy77 on May 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea that strikes me as an overreaction

doc drew up some great plays down the stretch

by Calogero on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was booed every time he touched the ball.

Loudly.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom line.....

the current Celtics bench is the worst in the playoffs, and worst by a long shot, Cannot win a playoff series with ZERO bench.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed to a point

The bench has been awful so far, and it really hurts to not have KG in the starting lineup. If we had Baby and Powe coming off the bench our rotations are a lot better, but otherwise we are way too thin at forward. Moore hasn’t seen any time, and Scal is still a liability since he has barely played since March.

House should be playing better than he is, he’d get more playing time if he could stay in front of Rose or whoever they’re asking him to guard. But yea, unless somebody on the bench decides to start playing out of their minds we’ll be lucky to advance and to get Orlando in the next round.

by celticspride003 on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

And TA’s missed games didn’t do him any good either.

by Thruthelookingglass on May 1, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doc's fault

Hmmm … We turn a 12-point deficit into an 8-point lead in about six minutes with the starting five, so what’s Doc’s bright idea? PUT TONY ALLEN, WHO DOESN’T KNOW HIS ASS FROM HIS ELBOW, IN FOR BIG BABY.

If Baby’s in for TA at the end of regulation, we win. End of sentence, end of story, end of series. This is entirely on Doc. Instead of facing a Game 1 on Sunday, we have a Game 7 in less than 36 hours on EXHAUSTED legs. Good going moron. I’ve had it.

by joebianca on Apr 30, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

this.

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you dont think

BB needed a break – is he used to playing that many minutes in consecutive games?

The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan

by Envy on May 1, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a game!

Doc wrote up a number of great plays that were executed very well. You can’t blame it on him. He also called a play for Rondo just before that that was beautiful. He drew up the call for House. He made plays for Allen. So he’s not perfect. If anything, blame it on the Bulls.

by tromply on Apr 30, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Playing Tony Allen in the last 3 minutes.....

Lost the game. If Davis stays in the game the Celtics win. Pretty simple. I still want to know how Orlando can beat Philly in Philly without two starters, including the defensive player of the year, yet the Celtics cannot beat the Bulls.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

look at the minutes...

its easy to arm-chair QB when you aren’t the one playing 55 minutes in a game…whens the last time you did anything phsyical for more than 20 minutes straight…

by BillfromBoston on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s definitely the time you need to worry about minutes. Up by eight in the last three minutes of REGULATION in a series-clinching game. I’m sure the substitution was because Baby was just too exhausted to play anymore.

by joebianca on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some would be singing a different tune

if Doc had left Baby on the floor, and the defense had gotten torched any way by virtue of the mismatches.

I’m not defending the decision tonight, as I’m not the world’s biggest Tony booster. But I think it’s a lot more “pick your poison” than the open-and-shut case that some posters are making it out to be.

It’s a lot more easy to see it as open-and-shut in hindsight.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Tony had been great, good, or even acceptable on offense this series, I wouldn’t be killing him. But he’s been none of the above. He’s been AWFUL, and Baby has been great. I’m sorry, but you don’t toy with a lineup that went on a 23-3 run in six minutes time. Talk about trying to fix what ain’t broke. It’s indefensible.

by joebianca on May 1, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

What clearly qualified as "broke"

was the Celtics’ coverage of Salmons by their bigs (i.e. BBD and Scal) when the Bulls went small earlier in the series.

All I’m saying is that there is more of a decision to be made there than you are allowing.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

And all I’m saying is you’re on a 23-3 run and about to stitch up the series. Most would agree this is not the time to fiddle with the lineup and put your stone cold worst offensive player in the game. There was no decision to be made. They were rolling, and Doc killed it for them.

by joebianca on May 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, you'd prefer

Seeing Salmons driving around Big Baby? Because that’s what happened when Chicago went small.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to go cry in a corner now

I don’t even know what to expect for game 7. I don’t even know if I want to know.

by illantari on Apr 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

i don’t think i my heart can handle watching another game. this is only the 1st round right? sheesh

Kick in the door waving the 4-4.....all you heard was poppa don't hit me no mo'

by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doc Rivers

Even though there might have been moments where you question him there is no way that he is getting outcoached by Vinny Del Negro. No matter what, the celtics have the advantage when it comes to coaches. If the bulls had doug collins drawing up those plays in the final seconds they would actually run plays instead of desperate isos.

by Sambossanova on Apr 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

what

common, did you see that play with 7 seconds left where the bulls didn’t even get a shot off. Or the other zillion times it has happened throughout the series. Even though doc rivers is a mediocre coach, ill trade you Vinny for doc any day of the week.

by Sambossanova on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on May 1, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

or not fouling up 3

when ray has hit everything in sight.
plus doc drew up some awesome plays late. i think he just ran out of plays at the end

by Calogero on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, I beg to differ

Poor defense and mental mistakes cost Boston this game. Horrible fouls by Pierce and Big Baby, constantly giving Salmons a path to the basket.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

DOC RIVERS WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!!

When your best player on the court(ALLEN) has 51 POINTS and you only allow him ONE shot in the 3rd OT??? WHAT?!?!?! He barely gets the ball and he was THE ONLY ONE actually doing something in this game.

Get a grip Doc come on….KG isnt here to save you anymore. This is ABSURD.

ALLEN GOT ONE SHOT!!!!!!! WTH!

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

just don't know if they will win

saturday….seems everything is going against them…

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a winner take all game

….. at home. How is that going against them?

by runningman on Apr 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

the have eeked out 2 games at home...

HAVE NO BENCH…AND HAVE GUYS PLAYING ON FUMES..THIS IS WHERE THE YOUNG LEGS OF THE BULLS KICK IN…the home court or crowd hasn’t meant anything so far for boston

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I agree

I am afraid at what is going to happen Saturday night. But in the long run, does it really matter. This team is not getting out of the second round anyway.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree...this team is on borrowed time

they will be physically and mentally spent trying to match up with orlando

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Bulls fan, I tip my cap to Ray Allen tonight. Good God, that guy is freakin' amazing.

What a series. My best friend is a diehard C’s fan and I went to college in Boston (graduated last year), so I know this C’s team fairly well. This series has been unbelievable.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It sure has,

though I think it will be a bit easier for whoever wins Saturday to talk about that part of it after the fact. :-D

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course. I think the Bulls are playing more with house money, though. The Celtics are the

defending champions after all. I didn’t expect this at all from this Bulls team. What a series. It’s all I can say about it.

"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton

by fundamentallysound on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's been unbelievable any way you slice it

Cardiologists everywhere are wondering, “What economic crisis?”

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

:]

har har

but yeh, it’s weird. reminds me of an other first round.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on May 1, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Those two FTs and the possession afterward really set this whole thing in motion. Big choke.

by a tommy point on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean missed free throws!

This is one of those misleading box score games where if you did not see it, you look at the box score and figure Rondo had a great game. Wrong. He was totally off his game tonight and absolutely looked afraid to take the ball to the hoop. Kind of surprised me.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the missed FTs and 2 straight possessions of

tony allen missing shots let the bulls back in the game

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep....

That stretch was an absolute killer because they had delivered the knockout punch at that point. All you need to do from there is trade baskets so in my mind they blew the game right there.

by Kuberski33 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The crowd was in Rondo’s head. He’s not used to being the villain and he was afraid to screw up because of the crap he’d get from the crowd. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen Rondo legitimately scared.

by joebianca on Apr 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bench

real boston celtics know when there done ,gm 7 any bet anytime ?????

by gaingrene on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony Allen is terrible. Big Baby has progressed more as a player in the last 3 months than Tony has his whole career.

And what is with that last shot Rondo? GET THE BALL TO RAY ALLEN! HE HITS BIG SHOTS WITH DEFENDERS IN HIS GRILL! AND UNLIKE #34 HE HITS BUZZER BEATERS! THE GAME WOULD BE OVER IF PIERCE GAVE HIM THE BALL AT THE END OF A FEW OTHER PERIODS… is what I would have said had I been at that game. Might not even watch game 7… okay I will, but knowing that it’ll probably be disappointing.

By the way, if Paul Pierce hits those FTs at the end of game 1 and game 4, we’re not even talking about this stuff.

by Jordinho on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sure you mean game 4. Game 3 was 21 pt win for Boston.

by Jordinho on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

missed shots happen

stupid, idiotic, moronic coaching decisions shouldn’t.

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, but sometimes players have to protect their team from their own coach.

by Jordinho on Apr 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Players aren't perfect, but coaches are?

Why?

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game 7

We WILL win this game. Expect a huge game from Paul…

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Bounces back nicely

He really is primed for a big game… Game 6 was a freakin joke for him, so many mistakes.

When are we gonna give the keys to Ray Allen? The man is a monster.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Pierce lost the game...

First he turns the ball over, then he gets burned by Noah and then he fouls Noah after he makes the dunk.

Seriously, this proves paul is hurt, he would never in a million years get burned by Noah.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting point.....

Pierce had a hard time keeping up with Noah on that play and I think if he is healthy he catches up to him and fouls him before he gets to the hoop.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

I mean its obvious. He is being a warrior by not admitting it, but you can tell he has lost a step. This is not the Paul Pierce of years before, hell, even last year!

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has to be hurt huh? how about maybe just exhausted?

by prov1ml on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is hurt.

He got hit in the last game by one of the bulls in his left calf. He’s been limping ever since.

by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, LOTS of BLAME

did you bet thousand of bucks for this?

just wait for game 7.

then sit back,relax and enjoy the series!

by mjohnson on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Not me personally but a good family friend...

Lost im guessing a good 15k over this series. I think the spread was over under 6 games…and he picked under.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

19 assistants?

c’mon, during this game rondo just dribbled the ball until there was like 5s or so left, then pass—-once ray or others made it, it was an assist.

by aeternus on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Will Rondo get suspended?

AP is reporting he threw an elbow that missed after the throw Hinrich into the scorers table incident. I didn’t see that…

by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

?

What is trolling about that?

by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not fair at all

He’s been here posting respectfully for some time – and there was nothing wrong with his question.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

AP is wrong.

"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

bulls

the loxs aka15 gm 7 whoe’s ready

by gaingrene on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc

You got to see that Ray Allen is the best shooter in the league…NOT RONDO. Why are these plays designed for Rondo for the last shot? Allen is the most clutch player on this team…not Paul. Look at the games…Allen has drained MANY game-winners, and yet, you sit there like he is (TONY) Allen…

GIVE THE MAN THE BALL!

You can see what he can do.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc said the play he drew up was to drive and kick...

in the post game interview I saw. They ran a flair again for Ray on the sideline (like the one they ran for House), Rondo didn’t kick it out.

Vinny...you look confused

by Knowledge32 on May 1, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray needs more responsibility...

Part of Doc’s coaching is about managing the egos of the team and defining roles – its easier said than done telling Pierce he in no longer the “closer” on end of game posessions…

Ray should have had more shots in a number of these games, but its not like you can just do it and have no consequence…

Boston can’t defend with this group consistently – bottom line….they will be lucky to win game 7, just like either team has been lucky to win any of these games, save game 3…

If they get by the Bulls it’ll still be about whether or not KG come back – this team is all O and no D…there’s no future in that…

by BillfromBoston on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

My respect to Chicago. They have a lot of grit and talent, and Vinnie is making it work.

Derrick Rose is a bigtime player, and I hope the C’s come out and win the series in Boston, although in my opinion both teams deserve to go to the second round with the courage and never-say-die attitude they have displayed here. What a series…

by jyrecelts on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Amen

Give the Bull some credit. Great series, great efforts by both teams. Someone had to lose. Sure the C’s blew a whole bunch of opportunities to win, but so did the Bulls prior to pulling it out. Sometimes you’ve just got to tip your hat.

Reminds me alot of last year’s series vs. ATL, and we all know how that turned out.

Go C’s!

by libermaniac on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big difference from last year versus Atlanta

The C’s actually played defense last year. Without Garnett, they play about 5 minutes of tough D per game. Strangely enough, they actually lost this game in the first quarter, in my opinion, when they gave up 37 points. They are too slow to stay with the more athletic Bulls and will need some level of miracle to win Saturday.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good stuff, jyre

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

2-3 time table for the Big Three?

With Ray Allen’s performance tonight, I think we have a good 3-4 years of competitive basketball. You got to remember, Davis, Rondo, and Perk will all develop into better players during this time.

GO C’s….

and I hate Brad Miller….

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc Rivers, thanks for screwing us again. River’s Bizzarro-Coaching thought:
“Hmm, were up by 8, let’s put Tony Allen in, he hasn’t scored a point, heck he nearly lost game 5 for us. We’ll take out Baby Davis, our go to guy when Ray and Pierce bail out. Hmm, two bricks by Tony, I think I’ll stick with him in OT. "

by merkinmuffly on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Doc....but...

Do you think if we had a Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich…this team would have no problem in this series?

I think Doc is a wonderful PLAYERS coach, but when it gets down to crunch time…he is the “master of panic”…not Van Gundy.

I just dont like the plays he is calling down the stretch.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW

Both teams have so much heart, it’s amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TA killed us big time. We had this game at the end of the 4th quarter but we can’t have Tony Allen take those two shots, it was just stupid.

RAY ALLEN……..the best shooter in the history of BASKETBALL

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc: “No Pierce, I don’t want you to take the ball at the top of the key where you hit all your shots, I’m putting you on the wing to take fadeaways, where you never hit them, and it’ll make it easier for the Bulls to double you on the wing,”

by merkinmuffly on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Bandwagon fans...

while rushing for the exits, please remember, women and children first.

by The Walker Wiggle on Apr 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Dude thats not the case...

Its the play-calling towards the end. Why is Rondo getting the last shot instead of Ray? It makes no sense. Did Doc not know that Ray had 51 points!?!? I mean it just blows my mind.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doc's play calling did not lose this game.

Credit Chicago’s amped up defense for denying Ray the ball.

by jyrecelts on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They wanted to change up and Rondo should haev went all the way and not try to shot a fadeway jumper. Bed decision RR but what a block by Rose.

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might of been a good strategy

Because given how poorly Rondo shot from the field and how timid he was the entire game, but Bulls probably thought he was the last guy on the floor who would have taken the final shot.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ray generally cannot create his own shot ...

… he needs someone to feed him the ball. I’d have to see the replay, but perhaps Ray was covered, so Rondo took it himself.

by libermaniac on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right!

Rondo should not be taking any last game shots especially when Ray Ray is on the floor and on a night when Rondo’s shooting is way off.

by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, maybe Chicago noticed that also.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why Wiggle's post doesn't have more recs is a mystery to me.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Short for recommendation

if you click on “actions” next to a comment you like, the option to “rec” (show some love to a good comment) or “flag” (mark a trolling/spam/inappropriate comment for special attention by the mods) appears.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tony sold this game……..you never know….he might have got some phonecalls before this one.

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I know one thing…I miss the hell out of " KEVIN MAURICE GARNETT"….!!!!!

by wingate on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I have been a Tony Allen fan, but he should not see the floor again

While I think Doc was outcoached tonight, I actually feel badly for the guy. He has NO ONE on the bench he can put in the game and depend on. What does it say when the best bench player tonight was a guy who has missed about two months, and is a low, big, white guy with few if any skills? Danny, ask Wyc for more money and please spend it wisely next year to build a bench.

by vinnie on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

i just loathe saturday now

i feel like it a countdown to the gallows

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

i just don't know anymore

i am leaning on the bulls winning in easy fashion

by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you followed the Bulls, you would know

they NEVER win in easy fashion

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bulls don't know how to win in easy fashion

Vinny dropped his capicola and salami all over that page in the playbook

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on May 1, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Bizzarro World, Rondo strokes those shots: “me bizzarro doc, you no complain Ray, you ’fraid to shoot ball, you no good, me go to my best shooter rondo.”

by merkinmuffly on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

with a name like merkinmuffly you should have a higher grade of humour than this...

Peter Sellers is rolling over in his grave…
Plus, Rondo can take my last shot any day when Ray is covered…

by jyrecelts on Apr 30, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we had KG and Powe for this series, the games woudl not be so close. We got no BIGS!!!!!! What can Doc do? Mikke Moore SUCKS!!!!! They should have gotten Joe Smith

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Like I said to my boys, I hope this is an amazing series because it will be the last one. Sorry to be that guy.

by davemonsterband on Apr 30, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Marbury....

What has happened to this guy? This guy was a perennial top 10 player in the league just 3 years ago. And now he is afraid to shoot…I mean what is up with this guy. If he can play to a 1/4 of his old-self he would help this team immensly.

by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's just rusty, hasn't played in a long time and hasn't picked up his mojo yet.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

History making series

Awesome games guys, see ya in game 7!

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by Rudey on Apr 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sad thing is

if we had Deng, healthy gordon, healthy salmons we would win in 5!

Ugh expecting for me to have a healthy conversation with some people :D

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by Rudey on Apr 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude what are you saying?

Do you realize we have no KG? No Leon Powe? Two new players and Rondo playing on TWO bad ankles?

by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not get carried away

with who’s healthy, who we don’t have, etc. etc. Our teams are the way they are right now and there’s nothing that speculation can do to change what’s happening. Great series.

by BOSPORTS on May 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly what im saying

:D

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Fun little Time waster!

by Rudey on May 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, Rudey, and thanks for dropping by

Good luck on Saturday.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thx for the class

all series.

Good luck

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by Rudey on May 1, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disappearing Point Guard

He was the team’s leading scorer coming into this game and he vanished because the crowd was taunting him. It’s on him to initiate the aggressive offense that wins us games. Other than Ray (who was on fire) everyone else should have been driving to the hoop in the 4th-OT3. The only one who did this? Baby. Rondo drove to the hoop once in the middle of OT3, but that was it for the whole game. Anyone know what was wrong with him? Just rattled? Ankle acting up? Just an off game for a blooming star?

Enough mistakes here to fill another 200 posts. Let’s not dwell. Saturday – Rondo shows up and we stay out of foul trouble and I feel good. Rondo disappears and we pray that Jesus Shuttlesworth plays out of his mind? Time to start thinking about next season.

by TakesItMakesIt on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Hard to tell from the replay

also goaltending if you hit the backboard or rim. That looked to be the case

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by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

glad to see

there are no ref consiparicy theorists tonight on the celtics blog. If the bulls lost, the bulls blog would all be up in arms about the rondo goaltend as well as getting all nitpicky about questionable foul calls which always happen regardless of the team.

Although I dislike most of the boston team, Perkins and Davis have come a long way although they are playing against the bulls frontcourt…and Ray Allen is pretty amazing.

by Sambossanova on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

it was no friggin goal tend … next time stick arond for the slo-mo replay, please …

by celtsucka on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looked like he touched it to me...

If he didn’t, why did the ball change direction?

by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s called bouncing off the rim last time i checked

by celtsucka on May 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was goaltending but who cares...

if a player hits the rim while the ball is in the cylinder it is considered goaltending. He didn’t touch the ball but he interfered with the rim while the ball was bouncing around on it.

by ronmexibull on May 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game 7 time?

You guys sure the game is at 8:30 PM on Saturday?

by EddieHouseU on Apr 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

if it starts at 8.30 it will end at 3-4 am

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got tix, but...

I volunteered to help out at work Saturday, just wanna make sure its at 8:30 like it’s posted. Any earlier then i’m quitting… Anyone know for sure?

by EddieHouseU on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will buy your tix….let me know

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, but

i’m going to the game no matter what. hehe

by EddieHouseU on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN had it at 8:00 last I checked

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

TA move probably cost us game in regulation...

Had Big baby been in there…we would have had a 3rd outside shot option and at worst…Big baby would have made 1 0f the 2 shots TA missed… I know the Bulls went small..but Big baby was badly needed. I would have been more comfortable with Marbury instead of TA…Was a bit frustrating…but loved the heart especially being behind in in 2 OT and 3 OT.

Pierce had a great look at end of 1st OT..clear shot…just didn’t go

by giantfollower on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Bill Walker and Eddie

Honestly, Walked can’t be any worse than TA, Moore, or Starbury. I’d seriously much rather see him out there than any of those three.

Also, no excuses for Eddie House – your job is to make threes. Yes, that means knowing when you are shooting a 3 or a very long 2. Toe on the line? I can forgive it. Both feet clearly halfway over the line? You blew it.

by TakesItMakesIt on Apr 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey..were not healthy either..

NO KG, No Powe, Rondo has 2 bad ankles, Scal is still woozy (lol), and Pierce has an undisclosed injury…we’ll finally hear about it after playoffs.

by giantfollower on Apr 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I just heard that KG is back for Saturdays game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i wish

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

problem with that is that Eddie can’t set and shoot..he shoots where he catches…I was OK with the shot especially with 24 seconds still left.

by giantfollower on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks Baby

It’s amazing after watching Big Baby help give this game away, Rivers is actually the bad guy on this blog for not subbing him for TA earlier in the game. Fact of the matter is they both suck at crunch time and Paul Pierce, for all his heroics turns the ball over waaaaaayy too much late in games!! To have not gotten the ball to an unconscious Ray Allen in the third overtime is just criminal. But blame the tame Rondo…not Doc. Those assist numbers that Rondo put up tonite is one of the most lying stat lines i’ve ever seen in my life. Hell i could’ve had at least twelve assists the way RayRay shot tonite.
Just too many stupid blown plays by Baby tonite. And freakin awesome display by Rose. sheeesh…how dangerous is rose gonna be in a couple of years?

by meforyou on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

did you watch the game!?? big baby hit lke 3 clutch shots in a row in the 4th quarter…TA missed 2 shots within 6 feet of the hoop!

by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and how does an assist stat lie?

when you pass the ball to someone and they score…its an assist..fundamentals…lol

by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Not to be dramatic, but this deserved that many ?‘s and !’s. Baby was terrific. Doc, Rondo and the bench are to blame for this. If you don’t see that, you probably were watching cricket or something.

by joebianca on May 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to say this but...

The celts lost on costly mistakes…TA shouldnt have forced that floater or missed that lay up…pierces mistakes…not giving ray all the game winner when rondo got blocked…i dont know its frustrating to know we should have won 4-0 but keep loosing on countless coaching and player mistakes..it is a very good series though, cant lie about that! Rondo had a good game passing wise but with Ray Allen getting his shots people should understand he didnt have to be to aggressive, he set a lot of people up which is a good thing….we gave that game to the bulls, hats off to chicagos effort…
game 7!!! hopeully like last year when we blew ATL out by 40!!!

by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope it’s like the ATL gm 7 too

by marcinjp9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully, celts game out aggressive as hell..i was there and was on my feet the whole game..the building was rocking…hopefully iim there on saturday!

by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are absolutely correct. you said exactly what i’ve been saying all along. TOO MANY MISTAKES. think about it. Have you ever seen a San Antonio championship team beat themselves anywhere near as much as these guys?

by meforyou on May 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was funny to watch...

when they finally switched to the Houston game…there was 8 min left in the 3rd qtr…LOL

by giantfollower on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Baby???????

How did Glenn Davis lose the game for us? Can you elaborate on that? We had 27 minutes of crunch time tonight. Big Baby had some huge baskets, but I guess you werent paying attention at those points.

Awesome display by Rose? Ya, how about those 5 turnovers.

by coreasaurusrex on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

elaborate??? uhh…did you watch the same game i did?

by meforyou on May 1, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big Baby wasn’t Big Baby….he was HUGE BABY tonight….He kept us in the game few times

by marcinjp9 on May 1, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

listen Boston fans…i wish you luck saturday. You’ll need it. I’m just stating the obvious. The Celtics are the type of team that makes a ton of dumb plays to lose games for themselves all year long. Why should tonite be any different. Think about it. They would’ve won about seven more games this year if not for last minute gaffes. I giggled when Doug Collins mentioned that he couldn’t remember in recent memory a championship team that commited as many turnovers as this Celts team…his words. not mine…

by meforyou on May 1, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 turnovers>7 turnovers like his other games? :P

He did kind of block the shot to end the game. That was good. And some clutch, clutch rebounds.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Armchair Point Guards...

This was one of the most spectacular games I have ever seen. It was a test of wills and really could of gone either way. I think it is very low to criticize the C’s over “coulda, shoulda woulda” plays and accept the fact that they still have one more game to make it happen.
EVERYONE gave it their all on the C’s, and to whine about this play or that play is really petty. They’re were threadbare in the 3rd OT and they still didn’t give up.
All the negativity is egregiously short sighted and misses the beauty of this game.
CO CELTICS!!!

by paul7x5x on May 1, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Ray, ray...

Hate to see Ray’s 51 points went down the drain, all for nothing. Some of those 3 pointers were absolutely amazing, especially the one that sent the game to 3OT.

Rondo was playing with two bad ankles. Why would Doc let him go 1-on-1 on Rose in the final play? With 2 minutes left in regulation, we were up 8 and Rondo had 2 FT. He missed them both. Those were two huges misses.

by 33-32-00 on May 1, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

big baby was great-

he missed early on but came thru in the end..
paul had a open 3- into a horrible turnover – into fouling noah and fouling out
tony allen!!?
im mean really
i hope rondo getz 2 play on saturday…if not…season over
8 point lead in the 4th…uugghhhh

by CELTICZ4LIFE on May 1, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Ouch -- Rondo 4-17

Hopefully he learned a lesson tonight! He cannot allow himself to be rattled by the crowd and to be worried about retaliation. Great point guards put that stuff out of their heads, and Rondo will be great, soon.

by vinnie on May 1, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

It was not a great game from the C's standpoint

It was an entertaining game – a very entertaining one — but the C’s delivered a knockout punch in the 4th quarter to build an 8 point lead and all they had to do from there was run their offense and trade baskets. Instead Rondo clanked two FT’s which totally changed the momentum and then Tony Allen found himself shooting on subsequent posessions. A team this thin on the bench really doesn’t want to go to OT, so I really think they blew their best chance to win right there.

That’s why I say this wasn’t a great game for the C’s. If they end up losing he series, you can point to that sequence right there as the reason.

by Kuberski33 on May 1, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

rondo needs to find the open man in the end game. or else vinnie will just simply draw plays to trap ray or paul and force rondo to take the last shot.

by celtsucka on May 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

TA

TA lost this game for us….Doc coached well but this one cost them. If you’re thinking of putting TA in, might as well consider starbury or even Bill Walker.

by Beantown Troy on May 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing about the guys though….they are playing with some heart but they’re wiped out

by Beantown Troy on May 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would even put marbury on gordon before TA

by celtsucka on May 1, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would loooooove to see

starbury in this game as much as possible

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I know...

Is I wish I had each of these games saved on my TiVo to keep. 7 Overtimes!!!

by tromply on May 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Meforyou is out of touch… Maybe he was thinking of gane 4 when Big baby missed all those easy layups….LOL

he played huge tonight…yes there was a period where he missed 3-4 shots in a row…but he mad atonn of big shots…remember the lauy and FT (3 pt play in 3rd OT) How about the big shot off the inbounds pass with 3 seconds to shoot… People are quick to criticize…but always forget the good

by giantfollower on May 1, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

god i can’t wait til the Celts are eliminated…what a bump of myopic whiners…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh…

by meforyou on May 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

just a question,

if the celtics win game 7 will you still be posting on this website??

by ChainSmokingLikeDino on May 1, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rondo will not be suspended…Both players were tangled up and falling backwards…if anything heinrich was the aggressor because he pushed Rondo

by giantfollower on May 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

what were you watching??

rondo grabbed his arm and whipped him out of bounds..it was like seeing WWF wrestling

by BULLS FAN63 on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rondo clearly...

grabbed Hinrich’s arm and flung him into the scores table. It is obvious to anyone not looking through green glasses.

by ronmexibull on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the excuses

both guys were tangled up.

heh

sure and ronda didn’t punch miller in the face either

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Neither C's nor Bulls fan

it was an arm whip. I imagine the League will uphold the flagrant and not suspend. The League will be wrong again

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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

because we are basketball fans?

because we like discussing basketball?

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine thats why he got a Flag 1…Why did heinrich get a T?/ because he pushed Rondo in the chest….OK?

by giantfollower on May 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Flag 1 does not carry a suspension…end of story

by giantfollower on May 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Anybody who blames Doc for this loss

…is absolutely right.
TA with 1 minute to go in regulation?
Paul iso’s when Ray is the 51-point hot hand?
Wasting the last timeout in the nth OT, so we can’t score on our last possession? (Gee, isn’t that a Vinnie move??)

But Rondo and Paul were also AWOL… Come to think of it, the whole team except Baby (most of the time) and Ray (all of the time) was AWOL. (Well ok, Scal was reasonable and Perk was good… not his fault he got 2-3 phantom fouls called on him. Refs sucked as usual, for both sides.)

Note: Rondo was reacting to Hinrich’s grab… no wind-up, no follow-through… should have been just a hard foul, nor a flagrant. Hinrich should have gotten an automatic ejection for fighting. All per the rule book. (And I can quote you chapter and verse if you want.)

by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

and his elbow

that only missed because the ref pulled them apart

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please do...

because I see players push other players all the time and no one gets ejected for it.

by ronmexibull on May 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

ronmexibull were not talkin bout jocking for position and aggressive bodying up plays

its the ghetto style, droppin a shoulder, throwing yourself into a player and rondo unbelievably cheap play

by BULLS FAN63 on May 1, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

See link for chapter and verse on the Rondo-Hinrich scrum

http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-RefereeGuide.pdf
Page 103 states:
“EXCEPTION: Rule 12A—Section V—l(5)
l. A player, coach or trainer must be ejected for:
(1) A punching foul
(2) A fighting foul”

There is zero question that Hinrich rushed Rondo to fight… he was flailing his arms, and looked like he even threw a punch or some part of his arm, at Rondo. Whether he did or not, fighting is enough. It’s an automatic ejection, as you can see.

by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "elbow" is a fantasy

Just because an elbow moves as part of a scrum does not make it an elbow foul. But rushing another player in an obvious effort to fight is very clear.

by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

so is

grabbing a player and throwing him out of bounds

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well. we'll soon see

…what the league does, if anything.
Calling it a night, after much vomitus. Maybe I will wake to a better world… where Paul and Rondo are always up, and Perk never fouls, and there are no trolls crawling from the baseboards.

by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

and your team

is not old and throwing cheap shots at other players…

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely Flabergasted by You People Hating on TA

Seriously, TA HAD to take those shots down the stretch…because the team started to sit on the lead too early and we had no ball movement and consistently started possessions with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock. To hang this loss on TA is unfathomable. He played within himself, played good defense, rebounded, and did what he was supposed to do.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Too true...

Good rundown SMP, trolls under the bridge again…

by jyrecelts on May 1, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Allen was scary.

Attending this game … was probably the best viewing experience I’ve had watching a basketball game. My head is still buzzing.
I think you pull this out in seven, but … you know, Allen isn’t supposed to be able to get a 3 pointer off over a fully extended 7 footer. He’s not. What the hell, Ray Allen? STOP!
Rondo didn’t have the effect on the game he had in the other five … I personally think that was because of Tyrus Thomas altering shots inside, though it may have been something else [that I wasn’t aware of].
… Did I mention Ray Allen was completely unconscious?
I’m afraid of Game 7. I don’t have a single clue about what’s going to happen, except that it’s probably going to go into overtime, and then everyone will suddenly be unstoppable.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Lucky you!

Would have loved to be at this game!

by C's09Champs on May 1, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Standing room only seats ...

my legs hurt. :P
I’m a really big Noah fan, so that was pretty awesome.
I wish we won Game 5, or Game 7 was in Chicago. Grr.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure this game was worth it though!

BTW, I have kind of become a fan of Noah myself, even though I am not a big fan of his looks. LOL. He’s fearless and plays with some great energy. You guys are lucky to have him!

by C's09Champs on May 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

classy response

that makes me want to stop talking trash

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so too! [:P]

What happened to Glen Davis, by the way? He’s, like, good now. And he wasn’t before.
We really got into Rondo’s head this game, though [LOUD boos whenever he had the ball] – I mean, he had 19[!] assists, but watching the game you’d never know it. I think it was just a byproduct of Allen hitting ridiculous shots.

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

much like your

celtics fans when you steal a game

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess you didn't read the Game 5 comments

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did

You mean the game where Bulls fans refused to accept that the better team has won and argued for hours about Rondo´s last foul, although the league had already made a decision?

by Casperian on May 1, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Showing up and arguing:

Different than not showing up.
Just so you know, the rest of the league/ESPN/etc. agrees with us.
We’ll see what Game 7 brings …

"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."

by Prevenge on May 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exhausting is right

And the thing is… even if we win game 7, we cannot beat Cleveland playing like this. That’s impossible.

by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

they can't beat orlando

playing like this…and prolly wont beat the bulls either

by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm exhausted as well. Our guys with no bench must be dying to get this done.

Our guys with no bench must be dying to get this done. What time is that game on Saturday? I hope it;s a night game. I can’t get d Doug Collins voice out of my head.

by liamail on May 1, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

8 pm EST start

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry

the bulls will give them their rest come saturday

by gman2849 on May 1, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went for a walk during the 4th Qtr ...

… and I just finished watching the game.

During the last few minutes of regulation, it was Perk, NOT Tony who caused us this game. Tony got caught with the ball twice as the clock was winding down … but it was Perk who lost Miller twice on defense which resulted in a 3-pointer and a lay-up.

Lousy defense at the end of regulation caused teh Celtics the game.

by TheGreenThumb on May 1, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

why does doc keep talking about defense? when has pp ever sniffed a all d team. ray sure aint gonna stick his nose in there see his career stats on d. marbury ,scal,allen,all jokes at defensive end and pp isnt hurt just lazy on d see ten years before kg arrived

by hhhhhhh on May 1, 2009 2:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Bulls fan coming under a peacful flag

I think this discussion could use some more level headed discussion, esspecially over the Rondo department. First, I would like to give you folks some sympathy, because I’m sure your feeling like I did after game 5, and that feeling isn’t something I’m hoping to be feeling any time soon (Honestly, at this point, this is the Bulls NBA finals, so I’ll be extatic just winning this series). It was a highly entertaining game to say the least, and the best time I’ve had watching basketball, as well as the most emotionally destroyed I’ve been for a sporting even since the Cubs blew it in the NLCS 6 years ago. But enough about that.

I, personally, was so fed up with Rondo after the shot on Miller, and then the play with Hinrich today, that I actually was hoping that if we found ourself in a position of being down by 7 or 8 with 30 seconds left someone punched him in the jaw. I personally thought the foul on Miller was unquestionably a flagrent in the last game (as many Bulls fans seem too), and I thought the push into the boards in and of itself could have been reason to be ejected, and the thrown elbow (if you wanna say it is one) could be enough to get him suspended for Game 7.

However, my personal dislike (or hatred, take your pick) for Rondo aside, I actually hopes he plays now. Because, well, this series has been too good to be ended on a technicality like that. I want both teams at full strength (or as full as we can get anyway) for game 7 to see just what they can do during it. And, honestly, I’d rather beat you guys when you can’t use the “We didn’t have Rondo!” excuse, since your already using the KG and Powe ones chuckles

Anyway, I personally always try to be a good sport, so I’ll go ahead and wish you guys good luck in Game 7. And cheers to the best playoff series I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching!

by Novacain on May 1, 2009 5:49 AM EDT reply actions  

you need to redefine

your idea of what a good sports is junior

by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

real peaceful novacain…

by bosoxfan808 on May 1, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm depressed.

Worst kind of loss. Wait three overtimes, keep you believing, then let down. Fellas, I do not have a good feeling about Sunday. Our old men have logged to many minutes already. Plus we are down to a nine man, no (really eight man rotation) Tony Allen is us useless a Mikki Moore.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on May 1, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

An 8 men rotation is still better

than the Bulls’ 7 men rotation (in terms of depth, not quality) :-)

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on May 1, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

we lost this game twice

1. in regulation Doc decided to go small subbing TA for BB.
we needed two baskets & game over. Defense was not why we lost in regulation
2.PP trying to be the man in triple overtime
DRAINED is the right word used by Jeff.
But this one would have been sweet. DOUGY collins is a bulls fan Ya think?
he was so excited when bull where up & sooo subdued when C’s had the advantage.

by tommyfan on May 1, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

What?

Defense is EXACTLY why we lost the lead in regulation. Doc said it himself. The Bulls went on a 10-2 run in the last 3 minutes of the game—one three pointer by Miller (Perk lost him), one And-1 by Salmons (Pierce lost him, Perk failed to stop the layup and got the foul), an easy drive by Miller (Perk over-committed and let Miller get by him). The Salmons drive was directly a result of the Bulls going small and Doc was correct in subbing out Baby at that point, unless you want Baby trying to guard Salmons on the perimeter.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we had won by one then it would be a classic. As it is this ranks up there with Magic’s baby hook over McHale. This is a game that will haunt us forever so while the objective side of me recognizes it as a classic I will never watch this game again. There are a ton of reasons why we lost this game and you could discuss everything from why rondo and tony are taking critical shots instead of ray to if only ray and eddie were behind the line. Once we lost the lead in regulation it became a crapshoot and a war of attrition.Despite our record we have made dumb plays and blown leads all year long. At times we are not a smart basketball team( remember San Antonio?) and we seem to always make things more difficult than they need to be ( Hawks series last year, Bulls series this year). We also get complacent in a hurry. You could see in Pierce’s face that he thought hte game was over when we went up 8. Everyone relaxed and stopped playing with urgency. I just don’t get how a veteran team makes the same mistake over and over. I often compare pierce to bird and perhaps that’s unfair but one thing about bird was thatwhen he got an advantage he never let up. He had the killer instinct and he brought it every night. Pierce doesn’t have that and as great a player as he is I think he’s going to be remembered as a player who won the MVP because he had ray allen and KG on his team and not as a player who won the MVP because he put his team on his back.THis whole series comes down to defense and the play of paul pierce

by Red2 on May 1, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

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