Exhausting
I'm drained.
I don't think this series will ever, ever, ever end.
Down 13 in the first half, down 11 in the 4th, the Celtics never gave up. But then again, neither did the Bulls.
None of this has a chance of being coherent, but here we go...
- 51 for Ray Allen, incredible - and most of that was in regulation. The man is amazing.
- 19 assists for Rondo.
- You know, after 3 overtimes the stats just don't matter anymore
- Paul Pierce had many opportunities to win this game. That's not a knock, he's proved himself time and time again. It just didn't happen tonight and he ended up making a dumb play at the very end. Too bad.
- Losing Perkins hurt, but that happens in triple overtime games (I would assume, I don't have a lot of examples to pull from)
- Tony Allen taking 2 shots in the clutch should never, ever happen. Baffling.
- Salmons was huge. Rose was huge. Brad Miller was huge. Hats off to all of them.
- I still hate Noah, but I have to admit, the kid knows his role and plays it well.
- I'm missing a ton more points but I'm toast.
Now we head back to Boston for game 7. That will probably go to 5 overtimes. I wish I could sleep till Saturday.
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Me too.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
thanks doc rivers
for game 4 and game 6…you crap coaching coast boston this series
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Don't forget to thank Vinny del Negro as well ;)
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
he called up
a few crucial clutch plays for us after time outs as always
by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This series has given
me a headache literally, I have screamed so much at the TV that it has rattled my brain.
Wow............
This is history in the making.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
I hate to say this, but....
after a great comeback in the fourth quarter, the veteran Celtics blew this game and likely the series. Honestly, the Bulls deserve to win. I felt so badly for Pierce tonight. Except for a few glimmers he was awful. And what was up with Rondo never taking the ball to the hoop. I know he had 19 assists, which is tremendous, but he truly looked afraid to take the ball to the rim. Amazing how Orlando can win without the defensive player of the year, but the Celtics can’t beat the Bulls.
And . . .
We beat Orlando without KG this year.
Overreact much?
Not true
While I agree with your premise regarding overreaction, the Celtics did not beat the Magic without Kevin Garnett this season.
Two wins with him, one loss without him entirely, a second loss with Garnett on limited minutes during his short-lived comeback.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
rondo shouldn't
have tried to win the game for us and just give it to ray. too many times we had awful offensive plays. some of rondo’s also during the last stretch.
by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
this one's on doc
for putting tony allen in with an 8-point lead. i don’t care if del negro brings in his smaller unit …
The captain sank with the ship tonight
Awesome effort by Ray Allen.
i concur
PP has not been the cap that he should be. what is goin on there? he looks like he is ready to retire already! I fear another drought is coming really soon :-(
Kick in the door waving the 4-4.....all you heard was poppa don't hit me no mo'
by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
One other comment.....
This may be the best playoff series in the history of the NBA, and it is being played by two slightly better than average playoff teams!
Doc Rivers is a joke
he called a play for Rondo??
Really????
One of the worst coaches. Period. He got by with GREAT talent last year, but he’s someone that gets outcoached repeatedly, and he got pwned by freaking Vinny Del Negro…
a joke.
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
not overreaction, just stating facts...
Doc gets easily flustered in close games…just look at this series.
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
there are no coaching facts
that doesn’t make sense. rivers has called so many great plays out of time outs especially for ray allen this year for us to win shots with the clock winding down. he’s kept the team together all year with all the injuries and whatever else we got to 62 wins this year and he is still doing the best with the absurdly undermanned team we have right now in the playoffs. that’s a ridiculous statement.
by Schmutzig75 on Apr 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Doc have . . .
the highest scoring percentage of all coaches when coming out of timeouts?
Also, he called a brilliant play for Baby earlier.
The Rondo call isn’t a bad call if it works. What if someone was supposed to set a pick for Rondo and missed their assignment? You can’t just automatically pin the blame on Doc for giving it to the guy who has been the best player throughout this entire series.
Stupidest thing i've heard in a while...
come back tomorrow…with a level head…
by BillfromBoston on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
truth hurts huh?
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
Come on
He made a few decisions you didn’t like tonight, and everything else that he’s done – particularly over the last two seasons – goes down the drain?
It might not hurt to sleep on this one a bit.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take Doc Rivers over a whole pile of carpetbagging used-car-salesmen masquerading as basketball coaches.
by Thruthelookingglass on May 1, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Doc Rivers is a good coach. Good coaches make decisions that, in hindsight, are bad.
Doc made one tonight, putting Tony Allen on the floor in crunch time and going small, leaving him with only three scorers on the floor since Rondo had gone passive.
Doesn’t mean the guy’s a bad coach, needs fired or all the Draconian Internet nonsense. It means he made a mistake that likely cost us the game in regulation.
He not a bad
coach, but putting Allen in was flat out dumb. Who did he think the bulls were going to force to shoot? Did he think they were going to double TA and force Ray. We needed to keep scoring and we were scoring at will. Why would you disrupt that? Mabey Davis was gassed i dont know, but it was the wrong move.
yea that strikes me as an overreaction
doc drew up some great plays down the stretch
He was booed every time he touched the ball.
Loudly.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Bottom line.....
the current Celtics bench is the worst in the playoffs, and worst by a long shot, Cannot win a playoff series with ZERO bench.
Agreed to a point
The bench has been awful so far, and it really hurts to not have KG in the starting lineup. If we had Baby and Powe coming off the bench our rotations are a lot better, but otherwise we are way too thin at forward. Moore hasn’t seen any time, and Scal is still a liability since he has barely played since March.
House should be playing better than he is, he’d get more playing time if he could stay in front of Rose or whoever they’re asking him to guard. But yea, unless somebody on the bench decides to start playing out of their minds we’ll be lucky to advance and to get Orlando in the next round.
by celticspride003 on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And TA’s missed games didn’t do him any good either.
by Thruthelookingglass on May 1, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Doc's fault
Hmmm … We turn a 12-point deficit into an 8-point lead in about six minutes with the starting five, so what’s Doc’s bright idea? PUT TONY ALLEN, WHO DOESN’T KNOW HIS ASS FROM HIS ELBOW, IN FOR BIG BABY.
If Baby’s in for TA at the end of regulation, we win. End of sentence, end of story, end of series. This is entirely on Doc. Instead of facing a Game 1 on Sunday, we have a Game 7 in less than 36 hours on EXHAUSTED legs. Good going moron. I’ve had it.
so you dont think
BB needed a break – is he used to playing that many minutes in consecutive games?
The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing.
Blaise Pascal, Bulls Fan
What a game!
Doc wrote up a number of great plays that were executed very well. You can’t blame it on him. He also called a play for Rondo just before that that was beautiful. He drew up the call for House. He made plays for Allen. So he’s not perfect. If anything, blame it on the Bulls.
Playing Tony Allen in the last 3 minutes.....
Lost the game. If Davis stays in the game the Celtics win. Pretty simple. I still want to know how Orlando can beat Philly in Philly without two starters, including the defensive player of the year, yet the Celtics cannot beat the Bulls.
My goldfish can coach better than Doc Rivers
and my goldfish is dead.
look at the minutes...
its easy to arm-chair QB when you aren’t the one playing 55 minutes in a game…whens the last time you did anything phsyical for more than 20 minutes straight…
by BillfromBoston on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s definitely the time you need to worry about minutes. Up by eight in the last three minutes of REGULATION in a series-clinching game. I’m sure the substitution was because Baby was just too exhausted to play anymore.
I think some would be singing a different tune
if Doc had left Baby on the floor, and the defense had gotten torched any way by virtue of the mismatches.
I’m not defending the decision tonight, as I’m not the world’s biggest Tony booster. But I think it’s a lot more “pick your poison” than the open-and-shut case that some posters are making it out to be.
It’s a lot more easy to see it as open-and-shut in hindsight.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If Tony had been great, good, or even acceptable on offense this series, I wouldn’t be killing him. But he’s been none of the above. He’s been AWFUL, and Baby has been great. I’m sorry, but you don’t toy with a lineup that went on a 23-3 run in six minutes time. Talk about trying to fix what ain’t broke. It’s indefensible.
What clearly qualified as "broke"
was the Celtics’ coverage of Salmons by their bigs (i.e. BBD and Scal) when the Bulls went small earlier in the series.
All I’m saying is that there is more of a decision to be made there than you are allowing.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
And all I’m saying is you’re on a 23-3 run and about to stitch up the series. Most would agree this is not the time to fiddle with the lineup and put your stone cold worst offensive player in the game. There was no decision to be made. They were rolling, and Doc killed it for them.
So, you'd prefer
Seeing Salmons driving around Big Baby? Because that’s what happened when Chicago went small.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to go cry in a corner now
I don’t even know what to expect for game 7. I don’t even know if I want to know.
i don’t think i my heart can handle watching another game. this is only the 1st round right? sheesh
Kick in the door waving the 4-4.....all you heard was poppa don't hit me no mo'
by CaliforniaGreen on Apr 30, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doc Rivers
Even though there might have been moments where you question him there is no way that he is getting outcoached by Vinny Del Negro. No matter what, the celtics have the advantage when it comes to coaches. If the bulls had doug collins drawing up those plays in the final seconds they would actually run plays instead of desperate isos.
what
common, did you see that play with 7 seconds left where the bulls didn’t even get a shot off. Or the other zillion times it has happened throughout the series. Even though doc rivers is a mediocre coach, ill trade you Vinny for doc any day of the week.
by Sambossanova on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
or not fouling up 3
when ray has hit everything in sight.
plus doc drew up some awesome plays late. i think he just ran out of plays at the end
Ha, I beg to differ
Poor defense and mental mistakes cost Boston this game. Horrible fouls by Pierce and Big Baby, constantly giving Salmons a path to the basket.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
DOC RIVERS WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!!
When your best player on the court(ALLEN) has 51 POINTS and you only allow him ONE shot in the 3rd OT??? WHAT?!?!?! He barely gets the ball and he was THE ONLY ONE actually doing something in this game.
Get a grip Doc come on….KG isnt here to save you anymore. This is ABSURD.
ALLEN GOT ONE SHOT!!!!!!! WTH!
just don't know if they will win
saturday….seems everything is going against them…
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
It's a winner take all game
….. at home. How is that going against them?
the have eeked out 2 games at home...
HAVE NO BENCH…AND HAVE GUYS PLAYING ON FUMES..THIS IS WHERE THE YOUNG LEGS OF THE BULLS KICK IN…the home court or crowd hasn’t meant anything so far for boston
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, I agree
I am afraid at what is going to happen Saturday night. But in the long run, does it really matter. This team is not getting out of the second round anyway.
agree...this team is on borrowed time
they will be physically and mentally spent trying to match up with orlando
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Bulls fan, I tip my cap to Ray Allen tonight. Good God, that guy is freakin' amazing.
What a series. My best friend is a diehard C’s fan and I went to college in Boston (graduated last year), so I know this C’s team fairly well. This series has been unbelievable.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
It sure has,
though I think it will be a bit easier for whoever wins Saturday to talk about that part of it after the fact. :-D
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course. I think the Bulls are playing more with house money, though. The Celtics are the
defending champions after all. I didn’t expect this at all from this Bulls team. What a series. It’s all I can say about it.
"Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy." --Newton
by fundamentallysound on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It's been unbelievable any way you slice it
Cardiologists everywhere are wondering, “What economic crisis?”
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The way he measured up Noah before bombing that 3 in the baseline was unreal!
Vinny...you look confused
RONDO'S MISSED FT LATE IN THE 4TH
ENDED UP BEING BIG
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
I agree. Those two FTs and the possession afterward really set this whole thing in motion. Big choke.
by a tommy point on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean missed free throws!
This is one of those misleading box score games where if you did not see it, you look at the box score and figure Rondo had a great game. Wrong. He was totally off his game tonight and absolutely looked afraid to take the ball to the hoop. Kind of surprised me.
the missed FTs and 2 straight possessions of
tony allen missing shots let the bulls back in the game
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep....
That stretch was an absolute killer because they had delivered the knockout punch at that point. All you need to do from there is trade baskets so in my mind they blew the game right there.
Tony Allen is terrible. Big Baby has progressed more as a player in the last 3 months than Tony has his whole career.
And what is with that last shot Rondo? GET THE BALL TO RAY ALLEN! HE HITS BIG SHOTS WITH DEFENDERS IN HIS GRILL! AND UNLIKE #34 HE HITS BUZZER BEATERS! THE GAME WOULD BE OVER IF PIERCE GAVE HIM THE BALL AT THE END OF A FEW OTHER PERIODS… is what I would have said had I been at that game. Might not even watch game 7… okay I will, but knowing that it’ll probably be disappointing.
By the way, if Paul Pierce hits those FTs at the end of game 1 and game 4, we’re not even talking about this stuff.
if doc fouls at the end of game 3
and pierce makes 1 FT..series over
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah..you know what i mean
they all are one big mess right now
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
missed shots happen
stupid, idiotic, moronic coaching decisions shouldn’t.
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
Players aren't perfect, but coaches are?
Why?
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He better have a great game. He kind of cost us this one, along with Rondo & Doc.
by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We were both right
Great call on the triple OT; I told you the Bulls would win it
by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bounces back nicely
He really is primed for a big game… Game 6 was a freakin joke for him, so many mistakes.
When are we gonna give the keys to Ray Allen? The man is a monster.
by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Pierce lost the game...
First he turns the ball over, then he gets burned by Noah and then he fouls Noah after he makes the dunk.
Seriously, this proves paul is hurt, he would never in a million years get burned by Noah.
Interesting point.....
Pierce had a hard time keeping up with Noah on that play and I think if he is healthy he catches up to him and fouls him before he gets to the hoop.
Yea
I mean its obvious. He is being a warrior by not admitting it, but you can tell he has lost a step. This is not the Paul Pierce of years before, hell, even last year!
by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
paul pierce is hurt
no question about that
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He is hurt.
He got hit in the last game by one of the bulls in his left calf. He’s been limping ever since.
by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, LOTS of BLAME
did you bet thousand of bucks for this?
just wait for game 7.
then sit back,relax and enjoy the series!
Not me personally but a good family friend...
Lost im guessing a good 15k over this series. I think the spread was over under 6 games…and he picked under.
by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
pierce's lack of closing out on salmons late in the
4th was horrid…
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
19 assistants?
c’mon, during this game rondo just dribbled the ball until there was like 5s or so left, then pass—-once ray or others made it, it was an assist.
Will Rondo get suspended?
AP is reporting he threw an elbow that missed after the throw Hinrich into the scorers table incident. I didn’t see that…
by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
prolly....but so should heinrich
i bet rondo doesn’t even play saturday
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not fair at all
He’s been here posting respectfully for some time – and there was nothing wrong with his question.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
AP is wrong.
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
Doc
You got to see that Ray Allen is the best shooter in the league…NOT RONDO. Why are these plays designed for Rondo for the last shot? Allen is the most clutch player on this team…not Paul. Look at the games…Allen has drained MANY game-winners, and yet, you sit there like he is (TONY) Allen…
GIVE THE MAN THE BALL!
You can see what he can do.
Doc said the play he drew up was to drive and kick...
in the post game interview I saw. They ran a flair again for Ray on the sideline (like the one they ran for House), Rondo didn’t kick it out.
Vinny...you look confused
Ray needs more responsibility...
Part of Doc’s coaching is about managing the egos of the team and defining roles – its easier said than done telling Pierce he in no longer the “closer” on end of game posessions…
Ray should have had more shots in a number of these games, but its not like you can just do it and have no consequence…
Boston can’t defend with this group consistently – bottom line….they will be lucky to win game 7, just like either team has been lucky to win any of these games, save game 3…
If they get by the Bulls it’ll still be about whether or not KG come back – this team is all O and no D…there’s no future in that…
by BillfromBoston on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
My respect to Chicago. They have a lot of grit and talent, and Vinnie is making it work.
Derrick Rose is a bigtime player, and I hope the C’s come out and win the series in Boston, although in my opinion both teams deserve to go to the second round with the courage and never-say-die attitude they have displayed here. What a series…
by jyrecelts on Apr 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Amen
Give the Bull some credit. Great series, great efforts by both teams. Someone had to lose. Sure the C’s blew a whole bunch of opportunities to win, but so did the Bulls prior to pulling it out. Sometimes you’ve just got to tip your hat.
Reminds me alot of last year’s series vs. ATL, and we all know how that turned out.
Go C’s!
by libermaniac on Apr 30, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference from last year versus Atlanta
The C’s actually played defense last year. Without Garnett, they play about 5 minutes of tough D per game. Strangely enough, they actually lost this game in the first quarter, in my opinion, when they gave up 37 points. They are too slow to stay with the more athletic Bulls and will need some level of miracle to win Saturday.
That's good stuff, jyre
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
2-3 time table for the Big Three?
With Ray Allen’s performance tonight, I think we have a good 3-4 years of competitive basketball. You got to remember, Davis, Rondo, and Perk will all develop into better players during this time.
GO C’s….
and I hate Brad Miller….
Doc Rivers, thanks for screwing us again. River’s Bizzarro-Coaching thought:
“Hmm, were up by 8, let’s put Tony Allen in, he hasn’t scored a point, heck he nearly lost game 5 for us. We’ll take out Baby Davis, our go to guy when Ray and Pierce bail out. Hmm, two bricks by Tony, I think I’ll stick with him in OT. "
I love Doc....but...
Do you think if we had a Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich…this team would have no problem in this series?
I think Doc is a wonderful PLAYERS coach, but when it gets down to crunch time…he is the “master of panic”…not Van Gundy.
I just dont like the plays he is calling down the stretch.
WOW
Both teams have so much heart, it’s amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TA killed us big time. We had this game at the end of the 4th quarter but we can’t have Tony Allen take those two shots, it was just stupid.
RAY ALLEN……..the best shooter in the history of BASKETBALL
Bandwagon fans...
while rushing for the exits, please remember, women and children first.
by The Walker Wiggle on Apr 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dude thats not the case...
Its the play-calling towards the end. Why is Rondo getting the last shot instead of Ray? It makes no sense. Did Doc not know that Ray had 51 points!?!? I mean it just blows my mind.
by C'sfan4life on Apr 30, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc's play calling did not lose this game.
Credit Chicago’s amped up defense for denying Ray the ball.
They wanted to change up and Rondo should haev went all the way and not try to shot a fadeway jumper. Bed decision RR but what a block by Rose.
It might of been a good strategy
Because given how poorly Rondo shot from the field and how timid he was the entire game, but Bulls probably thought he was the last guy on the floor who would have taken the final shot.
Ray generally cannot create his own shot ...
… he needs someone to feed him the ball. I’d have to see the replay, but perhaps Ray was covered, so Rondo took it himself.
by libermaniac on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right!
Rondo should not be taking any last game shots especially when Ray Ray is on the floor and on a night when Rondo’s shooting is way off.
by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny, maybe Chicago noticed that also.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Why Wiggle's post doesn't have more recs is a mystery to me.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Short for recommendation
if you click on “actions” next to a comment you like, the option to “rec” (show some love to a good comment) or “flag” (mark a trolling/spam/inappropriate comment for special attention by the mods) appears.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I have been a Tony Allen fan, but he should not see the floor again
While I think Doc was outcoached tonight, I actually feel badly for the guy. He has NO ONE on the bench he can put in the game and depend on. What does it say when the best bench player tonight was a guy who has missed about two months, and is a low, big, white guy with few if any skills? Danny, ask Wyc for more money and please spend it wisely next year to build a bench.
i just loathe saturday now
i feel like it a countdown to the gallows
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
As long as Rondo plays, Celts win
If he’s out, it will be tough
by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i just don't know anymore
i am leaning on the bulls winning in easy fashion
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you followed the Bulls, you would know
they NEVER win in easy fashion
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
The Bulls don't know how to win in easy fashion
Vinny dropped his capicola and salami all over that page in the playbook
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on May 1, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
In Bizzarro World, Rondo strokes those shots: “me bizzarro doc, you no complain Ray, you ’fraid to shoot ball, you no good, me go to my best shooter rondo.”
with a name like merkinmuffly you should have a higher grade of humour than this...
Peter Sellers is rolling over in his grave…
Plus, Rondo can take my last shot any day when Ray is covered…
Like I said to my boys, I hope this is an amazing series because it will be the last one. Sorry to be that guy.
by davemonsterband on Apr 30, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Marbury....
What has happened to this guy? This guy was a perennial top 10 player in the league just 3 years ago. And now he is afraid to shoot…I mean what is up with this guy. If he can play to a 1/4 of his old-self he would help this team immensly.
I think he's just rusty, hasn't played in a long time and hasn't picked up his mojo yet.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
History making series
Awesome games guys, see ya in game 7!
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by Rudey on Apr 30, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sad thing is, if we have our players
The C’s win it in 5!
Sad thing is
if we had Deng, healthy gordon, healthy salmons we would win in 5!
Ugh expecting for me to have a healthy conversation with some people :D
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Fun little Time waster!
Dude what are you saying?
Do you realize we have no KG? No Leon Powe? Two new players and Rondo playing on TWO bad ankles?
by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not get carried away
with who’s healthy, who we don’t have, etc. etc. Our teams are the way they are right now and there’s nothing that speculation can do to change what’s happening. Great series.
Agree, Rudey, and thanks for dropping by
Good luck on Saturday.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Disappearing Point Guard
He was the team’s leading scorer coming into this game and he vanished because the crowd was taunting him. It’s on him to initiate the aggressive offense that wins us games. Other than Ray (who was on fire) everyone else should have been driving to the hoop in the 4th-OT3. The only one who did this? Baby. Rondo drove to the hoop once in the middle of OT3, but that was it for the whole game. Anyone know what was wrong with him? Just rattled? Ankle acting up? Just an off game for a blooming star?
Enough mistakes here to fill another 200 posts. Let’s not dwell. Saturday – Rondo shows up and we stay out of foul trouble and I feel good. Rondo disappears and we pray that Jesus Shuttlesworth plays out of his mind? Time to start thinking about next season.
by TakesItMakesIt on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
Hard to tell from the replay
also goaltending if you hit the backboard or rim. That looked to be the case
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
glad to see
there are no ref consiparicy theorists tonight on the celtics blog. If the bulls lost, the bulls blog would all be up in arms about the rondo goaltend as well as getting all nitpicky about questionable foul calls which always happen regardless of the team.
Although I dislike most of the boston team, Perkins and Davis have come a long way although they are playing against the bulls frontcourt…and Ray Allen is pretty amazing.
Looked like he touched it to me...
If he didn’t, why did the ball change direction?
by nba is the worst on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They showed slow motion replay
Was not even close to the ball
It was goaltending but who cares...
if a player hits the rim while the ball is in the cylinder it is considered goaltending. He didn’t touch the ball but he interfered with the rim while the ball was bouncing around on it.
Game 7 time?
You guys sure the game is at 8:30 PM on Saturday?
great...have to wait around all day
rather play at 330
by celticinorlando on Apr 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No more 330 games please!
We always lose those!
by C's09Champs on Apr 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Got tix, but...
I volunteered to help out at work Saturday, just wanna make sure its at 8:30 like it’s posted. Any earlier then i’m quitting… Anyone know for sure?
by EddieHouseU on Apr 30, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, but
i’m going to the game no matter what. hehe
by EddieHouseU on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN had it at 8:00 last I checked
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
TA move probably cost us game in regulation...
Had Big baby been in there…we would have had a 3rd outside shot option and at worst…Big baby would have made 1 0f the 2 shots TA missed… I know the Bulls went small..but Big baby was badly needed. I would have been more comfortable with Marbury instead of TA…Was a bit frustrating…but loved the heart especially being behind in in 2 OT and 3 OT.
Pierce had a great look at end of 1st OT..clear shot…just didn’t go
Bill Walker and Eddie
Honestly, Walked can’t be any worse than TA, Moore, or Starbury. I’d seriously much rather see him out there than any of those three.
Also, no excuses for Eddie House – your job is to make threes. Yes, that means knowing when you are shooting a 3 or a very long 2. Toe on the line? I can forgive it. Both feet clearly halfway over the line? You blew it.
by TakesItMakesIt on Apr 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Hey..were not healthy either..
NO KG, No Powe, Rondo has 2 bad ankles, Scal is still woozy (lol), and Pierce has an undisclosed injury…we’ll finally hear about it after playoffs.
I just heard that KG is back for Saturdays game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i wish
thanks Baby
It’s amazing after watching Big Baby help give this game away, Rivers is actually the bad guy on this blog for not subbing him for TA earlier in the game. Fact of the matter is they both suck at crunch time and Paul Pierce, for all his heroics turns the ball over waaaaaayy too much late in games!! To have not gotten the ball to an unconscious Ray Allen in the third overtime is just criminal. But blame the tame Rondo…not Doc. Those assist numbers that Rondo put up tonite is one of the most lying stat lines i’ve ever seen in my life. Hell i could’ve had at least twelve assists the way RayRay shot tonite.
Just too many stupid blown plays by Baby tonite. And freakin awesome display by Rose. sheeesh…how dangerous is rose gonna be in a couple of years?
did you watch the game!?? big baby hit lke 3 clutch shots in a row in the 4th quarter…TA missed 2 shots within 6 feet of the hoop!
by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and how does an assist stat lie?
when you pass the ball to someone and they score…its an assist..fundamentals…lol
by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
HUH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Not to be dramatic, but this deserved that many ?‘s and !’s. Baby was terrific. Doc, Rondo and the bench are to blame for this. If you don’t see that, you probably were watching cricket or something.
Hate to say this but...
The celts lost on costly mistakes…TA shouldnt have forced that floater or missed that lay up…pierces mistakes…not giving ray all the game winner when rondo got blocked…i dont know its frustrating to know we should have won 4-0 but keep loosing on countless coaching and player mistakes..it is a very good series though, cant lie about that! Rondo had a good game passing wise but with Ray Allen getting his shots people should understand he didnt have to be to aggressive, he set a lot of people up which is a good thing….we gave that game to the bulls, hats off to chicagos effort…
game 7!!! hopeully like last year when we blew ATL out by 40!!!
hopefully, celts game out aggressive as hell..i was there and was on my feet the whole game..the building was rocking…hopefully iim there on saturday!
by CeltsGreen9 on Apr 30, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It was funny to watch...
when they finally switched to the Houston game…there was 8 min left in the 3rd qtr…LOL
Thanks Baby???????
How did Glenn Davis lose the game for us? Can you elaborate on that? We had 27 minutes of crunch time tonight. Big Baby had some huge baskets, but I guess you werent paying attention at those points.
Awesome display by Rose? Ya, how about those 5 turnovers.
by coreasaurusrex on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
Glen Davis was the second best Celtics player tonight
He kept the team in the game.
listen Boston fans…i wish you luck saturday. You’ll need it. I’m just stating the obvious. The Celtics are the type of team that makes a ton of dumb plays to lose games for themselves all year long. Why should tonite be any different. Think about it. They would’ve won about seven more games this year if not for last minute gaffes. I giggled when Doug Collins mentioned that he couldn’t remember in recent memory a championship team that commited as many turnovers as this Celts team…his words. not mine…
5 turnovers>7 turnovers like his other games? :P
He did kind of block the shot to end the game. That was good. And some clutch, clutch rebounds.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Armchair Point Guards...
This was one of the most spectacular games I have ever seen. It was a test of wills and really could of gone either way. I think it is very low to criticize the C’s over “coulda, shoulda woulda” plays and accept the fact that they still have one more game to make it happen.
EVERYONE gave it their all on the C’s, and to whine about this play or that play is really petty. They’re were threadbare in the 3rd OT and they still didn’t give up.
All the negativity is egregiously short sighted and misses the beauty of this game.
CO CELTICS!!!
Ray, ray...
Hate to see Ray’s 51 points went down the drain, all for nothing. Some of those 3 pointers were absolutely amazing, especially the one that sent the game to 3OT.
Rondo was playing with two bad ankles. Why would Doc let him go 1-on-1 on Rose in the final play? With 2 minutes left in regulation, we were up 8 and Rondo had 2 FT. He missed them both. Those were two huges misses.
Thank God the Sox played tonight
Whoops — never mind!
big baby was great-
he missed early on but came thru in the end..
paul had a open 3- into a horrible turnover – into fouling noah and fouling out
tony allen!!?
im mean really
i hope rondo getz 2 play on saturday…if not…season over
8 point lead in the 4th…uugghhhh
Ouch -- Rondo 4-17
Hopefully he learned a lesson tonight! He cannot allow himself to be rattled by the crowd and to be worried about retaliation. Great point guards put that stuff out of their heads, and Rondo will be great, soon.
It was not a great game from the C's standpoint
It was an entertaining game – a very entertaining one — but the C’s delivered a knockout punch in the 4th quarter to build an 8 point lead and all they had to do from there was run their offense and trade baskets. Instead Rondo clanked two FT’s which totally changed the momentum and then Tony Allen found himself shooting on subsequent posessions. A team this thin on the bench really doesn’t want to go to OT, so I really think they blew their best chance to win right there.
That’s why I say this wasn’t a great game for the C’s. If they end up losing he series, you can point to that sequence right there as the reason.
TA
TA lost this game for us….Doc coached well but this one cost them. If you’re thinking of putting TA in, might as well consider starbury or even Bill Walker.
One thing about the guys though….they are playing with some heart but they’re wiped out
by Beantown Troy on May 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
All I know...
Is I wish I had each of these games saved on my TiVo to keep. 7 Overtimes!!!
Meforyou is out of touch… Maybe he was thinking of gane 4 when Big baby missed all those easy layups….LOL
he played huge tonight…yes there was a period where he missed 3-4 shots in a row…but he mad atonn of big shots…remember the lauy and FT (3 pt play in 3rd OT) How about the big shot off the inbounds pass with 3 seconds to shoot… People are quick to criticize…but always forget the good
god i can’t wait til the Celts are eliminated…what a bump of myopic whiners…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh…
just a question,
if the celtics win game 7 will you still be posting on this website??
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on May 1, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
run along junior...go
back to your own board now
by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Rondo will not be suspended…Both players were tangled up and falling backwards…if anything heinrich was the aggressor because he pushed Rondo
what were you watching??
rondo grabbed his arm and whipped him out of bounds..it was like seeing WWF wrestling
Rondo clearly...
grabbed Hinrich’s arm and flung him into the scores table. It is obvious to anyone not looking through green glasses.
I like the excuses
both guys were tangled up.
heh
sure and ronda didn’t punch miller in the face either
Neither C's nor Bulls fan
it was an arm whip. I imagine the League will uphold the flagrant and not suspend. The League will be wrong again
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why fans of other teams post on opponents' forums
It makes no sense to me.
because we are basketball fans?
because we like discussing basketball?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on May 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody who blames Doc for this loss
…is absolutely right.
TA with 1 minute to go in regulation?
Paul iso’s when Ray is the 51-point hot hand?
Wasting the last timeout in the nth OT, so we can’t score on our last possession? (Gee, isn’t that a Vinnie move??)
But Rondo and Paul were also AWOL… Come to think of it, the whole team except Baby (most of the time) and Ray (all of the time) was AWOL. (Well ok, Scal was reasonable and Perk was good… not his fault he got 2-3 phantom fouls called on him. Refs sucked as usual, for both sides.)
Note: Rondo was reacting to Hinrich’s grab… no wind-up, no follow-through… should have been just a hard foul, nor a flagrant. Hinrich should have gotten an automatic ejection for fighting. All per the rule book. (And I can quote you chapter and verse if you want.)
ronmexibull were not talkin bout jocking for position and aggressive bodying up plays
its the ghetto style, droppin a shoulder, throwing yourself into a player and rondo unbelievably cheap play
See link for chapter and verse on the Rondo-Hinrich scrum
http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-RefereeGuide.pdf
Page 103 states:
“EXCEPTION: Rule 12A—Section V—l(5)
l. A player, coach or trainer must be ejected for:
(1) A punching foul
(2) A fighting foul”
There is zero question that Hinrich rushed Rondo to fight… he was flailing his arms, and looked like he even threw a punch or some part of his arm, at Rondo. Whether he did or not, fighting is enough. It’s an automatic ejection, as you can see.
The "elbow" is a fantasy
Just because an elbow moves as part of a scrum does not make it an elbow foul. But rushing another player in an obvious effort to fight is very clear.
Well. we'll soon see
…what the league does, if anything.
Calling it a night, after much vomitus. Maybe I will wake to a better world… where Paul and Rondo are always up, and Perk never fouls, and there are no trolls crawling from the baseboards.
Completely Flabergasted by You People Hating on TA
Seriously, TA HAD to take those shots down the stretch…because the team started to sit on the lead too early and we had no ball movement and consistently started possessions with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock. To hang this loss on TA is unfathomable. He played within himself, played good defense, rebounded, and did what he was supposed to do.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions
Allen was scary.
Attending this game … was probably the best viewing experience I’ve had watching a basketball game. My head is still buzzing.
I think you pull this out in seven, but … you know, Allen isn’t supposed to be able to get a 3 pointer off over a fully extended 7 footer. He’s not. What the hell, Ray Allen? STOP!
Rondo didn’t have the effect on the game he had in the other five … I personally think that was because of Tyrus Thomas altering shots inside, though it may have been something else [that I wasn’t aware of].
… Did I mention Ray Allen was completely unconscious?
I’m afraid of Game 7. I don’t have a single clue about what’s going to happen, except that it’s probably going to go into overtime, and then everyone will suddenly be unstoppable.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Standing room only seats ...
my legs hurt. :P
I’m a really big Noah fan, so that was pretty awesome.
I wish we won Game 5, or Game 7 was in Chicago. Grr.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
I'm sure this game was worth it though!
BTW, I have kind of become a fan of Noah myself, even though I am not a big fan of his looks. LOL. He’s fearless and plays with some great energy. You guys are lucky to have him!
I think so too! [:P]
What happened to Glen Davis, by the way? He’s, like, good now. And he wasn’t before.
We really got into Rondo’s head this game, though [LOUD boos whenever he had the ball] – I mean, he had 19[!] assists, but watching the game you’d never know it. I think it was just a byproduct of Allen hitting ridiculous shots.
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
really?
when i watched games on WGN…that place looked pretty empty up until this revival….
by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess you didn't read the Game 5 comments
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
I did
You mean the game where Bulls fans refused to accept that the better team has won and argued for hours about Rondo´s last foul, although the league had already made a decision?
Showing up and arguing:
Different than not showing up.
Just so you know, the rest of the league/ESPN/etc. agrees with us.
We’ll see what Game 7 brings …
"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
Exhausting is right
And the thing is… even if we win game 7, we cannot beat Cleveland playing like this. That’s impossible.
by DRJ1 on May 1, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
they can't beat orlando
playing like this…and prolly wont beat the bulls either
by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm exhausted as well. Our guys with no bench must be dying to get this done.
Our guys with no bench must be dying to get this done. What time is that game on Saturday? I hope it;s a night game. I can’t get d Doug Collins voice out of my head.
8 pm EST start
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 1, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I went for a walk during the 4th Qtr ...
… and I just finished watching the game.
During the last few minutes of regulation, it was Perk, NOT Tony who caused us this game. Tony got caught with the ball twice as the clock was winding down … but it was Perk who lost Miller twice on defense which resulted in a 3-pointer and a lay-up.
Lousy defense at the end of regulation caused teh Celtics the game.
Bulls fan coming under a peacful flag
I think this discussion could use some more level headed discussion, esspecially over the Rondo department. First, I would like to give you folks some sympathy, because I’m sure your feeling like I did after game 5, and that feeling isn’t something I’m hoping to be feeling any time soon (Honestly, at this point, this is the Bulls NBA finals, so I’ll be extatic just winning this series). It was a highly entertaining game to say the least, and the best time I’ve had watching basketball, as well as the most emotionally destroyed I’ve been for a sporting even since the Cubs blew it in the NLCS 6 years ago. But enough about that.
I, personally, was so fed up with Rondo after the shot on Miller, and then the play with Hinrich today, that I actually was hoping that if we found ourself in a position of being down by 7 or 8 with 30 seconds left someone punched him in the jaw. I personally thought the foul on Miller was unquestionably a flagrent in the last game (as many Bulls fans seem too), and I thought the push into the boards in and of itself could have been reason to be ejected, and the thrown elbow (if you wanna say it is one) could be enough to get him suspended for Game 7.
However, my personal dislike (or hatred, take your pick) for Rondo aside, I actually hopes he plays now. Because, well, this series has been too good to be ended on a technicality like that. I want both teams at full strength (or as full as we can get anyway) for game 7 to see just what they can do during it. And, honestly, I’d rather beat you guys when you can’t use the “We didn’t have Rondo!” excuse, since your already using the KG and Powe ones chuckles
Anyway, I personally always try to be a good sport, so I’ll go ahead and wish you guys good luck in Game 7. And cheers to the best playoff series I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching!
you need to redefine
your idea of what a good sports is junior
by celticinorlando on May 1, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm depressed.
Worst kind of loss. Wait three overtimes, keep you believing, then let down. Fellas, I do not have a good feeling about Sunday. Our old men have logged to many minutes already. Plus we are down to a nine man, no (really eight man rotation) Tony Allen is us useless a Mikki Moore.
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on May 1, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions
An 8 men rotation is still better
than the Bulls’ 7 men rotation (in terms of depth, not quality) :-)
The Game chose him !
we lost this game twice
1. in regulation Doc decided to go small subbing TA for BB.
we needed two baskets & game over. Defense was not why we lost in regulation
2.PP trying to be the man in triple overtime
DRAINED is the right word used by Jeff.
But this one would have been sweet. DOUGY collins is a bulls fan Ya think?
he was so excited when bull where up & sooo subdued when C’s had the advantage.
What?
Defense is EXACTLY why we lost the lead in regulation. Doc said it himself. The Bulls went on a 10-2 run in the last 3 minutes of the game—one three pointer by Miller (Perk lost him), one And-1 by Salmons (Pierce lost him, Perk failed to stop the layup and got the foul), an easy drive by Miller (Perk over-committed and let Miller get by him). The Salmons drive was directly a result of the Bulls going small and Doc was correct in subbing out Baby at that point, unless you want Baby trying to guard Salmons on the perimeter.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on May 1, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
if we had won by one then it would be a classic. As it is this ranks up there with Magic’s baby hook over McHale. This is a game that will haunt us forever so while the objective side of me recognizes it as a classic I will never watch this game again. There are a ton of reasons why we lost this game and you could discuss everything from why rondo and tony are taking critical shots instead of ray to if only ray and eddie were behind the line. Once we lost the lead in regulation it became a crapshoot and a war of attrition.Despite our record we have made dumb plays and blown leads all year long. At times we are not a smart basketball team( remember San Antonio?) and we seem to always make things more difficult than they need to be ( Hawks series last year, Bulls series this year). We also get complacent in a hurry. You could see in Pierce’s face that he thought hte game was over when we went up 8. Everyone relaxed and stopped playing with urgency. I just don’t get how a veteran team makes the same mistake over and over. I often compare pierce to bird and perhaps that’s unfair but one thing about bird was thatwhen he got an advantage he never let up. He had the killer instinct and he brought it every night. Pierce doesn’t have that and as great a player as he is I think he’s going to be remembered as a player who won the MVP because he had ray allen and KG on his team and not as a player who won the MVP because he put his team on his back.THis whole series comes down to defense and the play of paul pierce























