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Playing pickup basketball is a lot of fun.  So is list-making.  In the interest of giving you a day off from stats, we're combining the two aforementioned pastimes today with a compilation of the 10 most annoying types of characters infiltrating courts in parks and gyms all over.  Feel free to share your own anecdotes or add more to the list below.

(Note: Ladies, I know many of you play ball, too, so I assure you that my references to our subjects with male pronouns grow purely from my preference for simplicity in these sentences rather than a lack of consideration for your participation as well.  All thoughts here are applicable to both sexes.)

The Guy (Or Gal) Who Thinks It's Impossible To Foul a Jump Shooter

This is a charter member of the school of thought that proclaims that real men only call fouls when they've been knocked to the floor in the paint.  Anyone who shoots from the outside is probably a weakling in the first place and gets whatever he has coming to him.  Never mind the fact that whacking a guy's arm while he is shooting (including on a follow-through) is a definitively illegal way to alter the course of his shot at any level of play.

I'm not talking about slight contact on the way up.  Of course that sort of thing is going to go on in a pickup game, and I could do without the shooter who calls a foul any time someone gets near enough to breathe on him.  But I can't stand the guy who just swings at his man every time and then makes a point of sighing mightily or complaining when a call is made.

Pertinent anecdote: I play ball with Columbia Missourian reporter Bill Powell, who shoots the ball effectively from the outside.  Unfortunately, we ran into one of these cretins during a game a couple of weeks ago.  He not only managed to knock Bill's right arm every time down the floor, but when Bill had the audacity to make a call, he informed him, "There are no refs here, buddy.  You can't make those types of calls."

Funny, I always thought that the lack of referees made players more responsible for policing themselves.  Dopey me.  I'll have to remember to call my own the next time I'm involved in an organized game.

The Guy Who Thinks Having Next Makes Him An Official

This goes back to the self-policing issue mentioned above.  Unless asked to intervene, let those involved in the game sort out their issues.  There is little more irritating on a non-organized game than a third party waving off baskets with walks and out of bounds calls from the sideline.  If the players can keep operations moving smoothly without help, the last thing they need is some outside clown complicating matters.  When there is a dispute that they can't settle and they appeal to the sideline, by all means, help out.  But until that point, what you saw means nothing.

A corollary to this is the issue of guys on the court who make calls for plays that don't involve them.  We're all big boys (or girls) here.  There is no need to call fouls for teammates.

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The Guy Who Doesn't Like Being Boxed Out

Often born after 1985, often brought up on the kind streets of American suburbia.  In some regards, he's the opposite extreme of the macho man who thinks it's impossible to foul jump shooters.  This fellow never learned basketball is a contact sport, so it shocks his system when his man finds him on his hip, turns hard and plants his rear end into him to make a sound rebounding play. 

When this happens repeatedly, our subject gets flustered as he realizes that he will not in fact have an unimpeded path to the basketball off the glass.  In many cases, this individual begins hyperventilating and scurries around the court trying to find ways to "get back" at the meanie who hit him.  Ends up committing silly fouls.

The Guy Who Doesn't Call Out Screens On Defense

Best-case scenario, this is a way to give up unnecessarily easy buckets to the opponents.  Worst-case, it's also a great way to get a teammate's neck snapped.  Back in high school, my coach once said, "Your teachers say they can't get all of you to shut up in class, but none of you will say a word on defense.  I don't get it."  Me neither.

The Guy Who Extends His Arms On Screens

I'm past the point of asking people to set legal screens in pickup games.  It just isn't going to happen with any regularity.  People move their feet and don't get set correctly, and I'm probably as guilty as anyone else in this regard.  But two practices that need to go are the concepts of running right up to the defender and literally leaning on him as well as extending one's arms into the defender on contact.  This isn't football.  No reason for that.

The Hop-Step Abuser

Picks up his dribble at the three point line, takes two steps toward the lane, jump-stops inside the elbow, jump-stops again to the block, lays the ball in and screams "Hop-step!" in your face as you open your mouth to call a travel.  Then says you don't know the rules.

Not only do I witness this about once a month at the gym, but I also saw at least two varsity players do this to referees during my high school years.  Both received technicals.  As they should have.

The Guy Who Camps Out In the Paint

Courtesy, people, it's about courtesy.  Just because no one is whistling three seconds doesn't mean there isn't something of a code about how the game is played.  Just like you don't submarine someone when they're shooting, you don't stand in the lane for hours on end.  This isn't about people who occasionally sit in the key for five seconds.  This is the guy who spends the entirety of every offensive possession standing in what would be the restricted area on an NBA court.  At least try moving from block to block every now and then, please.

The Guy Who Doesn't Get Back On Defense

Easy to figure out that you're playing with him after being the one in several two-on-one, three-on-one and perhaps even four-on-one fast break situations.  Unlikely to do much boxing out, talking or switching on screens and getting to 50-50 balls in the rare occasion that he does get back.  Great.

The Guy Who Thinks Messing Up Is Hilarious

Confession: I openly admit that I'm at the complete other end of the spectrum on this.  Every time on the floor is Game 7, every loose ball a battle to the death.  I'll always err on the side of the too-hard foul to break up an odd-man rush, even in a blowout (though I'll make the call for you and be the first over to give you a hand up).  I need to remember sometimes that not everyone is as winning-obsessed as I am (odd given that I make up for a lack of size with a lack of speed, don't shoot the ball all that accurately or do anything else especially well on the court, but that's another story for another time).

I'm not asking anyone to spend the rest of their day moping because of the way a pickup game turned out.  But I've got no tolerance for the guy who gets out on a one-on-none break, pulls up at the foul line and flings the ball underhanded off the bottom of the rim, then cackles as it caroms out of bounds (this actually happened to me last year, and I can't print what I articulated to him postgame).  Or the guy who tries to throw an alley-oop to his four-and-a-half foot buddy whose vertical almost allows him to grab the bottom of the net.  Stay away from me, please.

The Guy Who Talks Smack When He Gets Beat

We could probably devote an entire day to debating the classiness of trash talking on the basketball court in general, both in organized and pickup ball.  In fact, it's come up on several occasions with the Celtics of the past two seasons.  What seems generally accepted is the idea that to the winners go the spoils.  If you don't want people in your ear, beat them next time.

But what makes no sense is the guy who keeps running his mouth after getting his head handed to him on the court.  Defeats the whole concept of the spoils system and makes the person in question look like an absolute moron.  I'm not much for advocating overt violence on or off the basketball court, but it's hard for me to fault anyone who decides to introduce this guy to the hardwood on his next take to the rim or to go through rather than around him on his next screen.

Honorable mentions: The Guy Who Thinks His Off Arm Can Legally Be Used As a Weapon When He Has the Ball, The Guy You've Never Met Before Who Thinks His Job Is To Coach You and The Guy Who Argues Every Call

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hilarious

love this

I think I’m guilty of camping out in the lane and not getting back on defense

I’m also Antonie Walker-esque in my shot selection and Mark Blount-esque in my rebounding contributions

also, I must agree on one of your honorable mentions – The Guy You’ve Never Met Before Who Thinks His Job Is To Coach You gets on my nerves in a bad way

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 8, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Walker-esque in shot selection and Blount-esque on the glass

Dynamite combo! :-D

Glad you liked the piece, Jeff.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah. "The Perfect Storm" .. great suggestion.

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by erivera7 on Apr 9, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Guy Who Doesn't Call Out Screens On Defense/The Guy Who Extends His Arms On Screens

Wow, you actually have complaints about screens. Just be thankful you’re lucky enough to play with guys who actually set them. I feel you on these though, but I rate guys who don’t set screens a bigger bigger pet peeve then either of these (of course they’re not far behind). Lol or maybe I just play at such a low level that the guys I’m playing with don’t understand the simple concepts of “screens.” Good stuff as always Steve,

by bdm860 on Apr 8, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

This is absolutely fair, bdm

Especially given some of the comments below, I probably could have written this piece as my top ten pet peeves related to screening in pickup basketball – and those who are unaware that the screen is a part of basketball certainly make that list.

Screening is such a fundamental part of the ‘team aspect’ of the game – it’s really frustrating to not see it at all.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly the worst kind of teammate(s) to play with. I had an incident where I was chasing the ball handler full speed up the court and no one on my team called out the screen. The result was me crashing my head into the shoulder of the screen setter. One of the guys who called “Next.” ended up taking my spot.

by GroverTheClover on Apr 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys Who Never Set Screens Off the Ball

If you’ve got a shooter on your team, get him open! It’s nice to set a screen for the ballhandler, generally, but probably even more helper to give him an open shooter he can pass the ball to.

by PJ Martinez on Apr 8, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

"helper" = "helpful"

PS. As a guy who probably shoots too much, I was pleasantly surprised that none of your complaints were about guys who probably shoot too much.

by PJ Martinez on Apr 8, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny you mention that,

CB member Hoyo de Monterrey just sent me a message advocating that I add the “automatic catch and shoot guy- the black hole of any basketball game.” As I wrote back to him, I’m half-and-half on that: My belief is that winning is fun rather than “Everybody gets his shots up,” so if I guy can hit with decent regularity, I won’t begrudge him that at all – I can live with never touching the ball if we win. But since more often than not, this is a guy who thinks he’s about five times better than he actually is, he ends up short-circuiting your team, I probably should have added it to the list anyway.

Which end of that spectrum to you fall on, PJ?

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which end of the spectrum do I fall on?

Depends on the day… But yeah, my game is mostly as a shooter, so generally the guys I’m playing with tell me to keep hoisting them up. Stil got to work on my shot selection sometimes, though — and remember that I’m not Eddie House: I should probably fake the shot and put the ball on the floor a little more.

Great piece, by the way, Steve (as usual).

by PJ Martinez on Apr 9, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great great great point, PJ

Couldn’t agree more (and I’m currently kicking myself for not thinking to add this one in the first place). Agreed completely.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My pet peeve

is a regular basket being a 1 and a three being a 2 in pickup, especially street ball, where the three point line is no three pointer. turns the game into a boring display of streaky two point shots. pickup ball should be played old school, no shot clock, no threes.

by Brendan on Apr 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

another good point

As in the ones and twos game, the “three-pointer” is now worth 200% of an inside-the-arc shot rather than 150%, and with the higher utility, you see very little that isn’t a bomb or a lay-in.

The Guru and friends still play “all ones.” He’ll definitely appreciate your comment on this, Brendan.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy solution

Play by 2’s instead of 1’s, if it is too hard with the math, then something is wrong. Then 3’s can be 3’s and all is well. Playing by 1’s and counting 3’s as 2 points is weighing it far too much, but counting everything as 1 is no good either, considering the 3 point shot has been around for years now and has transformed the game more than any single thing. Watch the ‘79 game between Magic and Bird as I did this week and you’ll see what I mean, the spacing of the floor is even different as there is no benefit to plant shooters on the weakside 20 ft. from the basket.

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've played in a few games recently going to 32 by twos and threes

mostly slightly older groups, so far as I can tell.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree actually

I like the 1’s and 2’s, especially outside where the wind can make the behind the arc shots that much more difficult

on the other hand, I’m more of a fan of not having 2’s – if a fool wants to shoot from behind the arc, let him, still counts the same as my in-traffic-layup where I scream AND ONE (cue Steve’s nervous tic)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 8, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, that's an interesting point

playing in a park or in a gym can be entirely different animals.

Who doesn’t love a good and-one yell? That said, I also get a kick out of the guy who flings up a bad shot that doesn’t go in and screams “AND ONE” – to signal foul, I guess – not realizing that “and one” requires the ball to go through the hoop first.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fools like Ray Allen

Have made a living off that shot. While it is only pickup, it seems foolish to discard the value of the shot altogether unless of course you can find a court with no lines. I think those against it, are ones who have no prayer of ever making one. :)

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about

shooting a “three pointer” in a game where we’re only counting by 1’s

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was this one game

Where I kept setting (legal) picks that made some players on the other team dizzy.
I also screamed at the guy defending me for not saying anything.

I guess I did do the coach who you never met before.

Sitting picks away from the ball and people cutting to the basket doesn’t get done enough in any level of basketball in the U.S.

by aboubata on Apr 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

You forgot the Biggest Peeve of All

The guy who thinks he’s Michael Jordan, so he takes every shot and never passes the ball.

by Brickowski on Apr 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh, Brick,

funny you mention that – see my discussion above in the comments with PJ Martinez for details (I was finishing my comment just as yours popped up).

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Piece Steve!

You are very talented and entertaining. Keep up the great work.

The one I can’t stand is the player who hacks you to death in the post every posession because they can’t stop you. They make no attempt at the ball or to play defense, rather just try and foul as hard as possible. They usually are the ones on the other end that call ticky-tack fouls when they are posting up.

The guy messing up who is laughing is another great one. I am the type who can’t have fun out there if I am not winning, or at least competing. When you get stuck with one or two of them and they stick on your team all night (we shoot for teams versus calling next) it is infuriating.

We have one kid that comes out and plays that is a converted wrestler. He is small but real quick and strong. No real basketball ability but once in about 10-12 nights he is on fire and anything he throws up goes down. He usually is about a 10% shooter though and the second the ball swings his way he is shooting it no matter whether he is set, open, etc. That guy kills me more than about anyone I play with. Not sure where that one falls…

by EJPLAYA on Apr 8, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words, EJ

Yep, winning or otherwise, I hate playing in “games” that really stop being games and just turn into goof-off sessions. Once a pickup game starts to look like the last three minutes of the rookie challenge – only with vastly inferior athletes, of course – ugh.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you with one exception...

The only thing we differ on is the screen stuff. There are actually different definitions of screening and how it works and different levels of play. At the high school level, you hold your crotch and hope the guy runs into you. At the college level, you get in an athletic stance, have your two fists meet at your sternum with you elbows past your torso, and you go looking for the contact more then just hoping. A step to the side one way or the other is legal provided the person who is being screen in given a step. At the pro level, it’s really all bets are off. Screening is one of the most basic and fundamental things in basketball and most pick up games are sorry tragedies if screening is not used.

by rezdog50 on Apr 8, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Have to disagree. Rules on screening don’t change even though the level that people try and get away with things does. It is the ballhandlers responsibility to run his man off/into the screener, not the person setting the screen. If it is set up correctly and the ballhandler does his job there isn’t a need to extend your elbows or move.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 8, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point, but I believe the rules absolutely change as the level goes up. I can’t be certain as to the rule book changing (I’m guessing it reads the same way regardless), but as you climb the basketball ladder the way you screen does change immensely. The elbows create more space (you don’t attack, but slide side to side, and obviously you cannot lay the wood to the guy, but playing the game at the higher levels requires more then standing there.

by rezdog50 on Apr 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is simple

No elbow out.
Stand up str8 and still, wait for the contact from your temmate defender and then you can move.

and I have to say this, a lot of the offensive calls on bad screen are usually the ballhandler fault for not waiting for his teammate to set.

by aboubata on Apr 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the guy who doesnt know how to play but tries really hard almost hurting anyone hes gaurding?

Maybe I’m the only one who gets those guys but they want to play they hussle but they are out of control and end up hurting either who they are guarding or someone who tries to rebound legally while in the area of their flailing.

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by idrinkdetergent on Apr 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I find that that's usually a wrestler/football player who just drank a Red Bull

He’s not intentially playing dirty so it’s hard to get too mad at him, but grrrrr that gets annoying quick too. After one game of that I try to get those guys on my team, they’re good for hustle rebounds, tough (yet very illegal) D, and usually they’re happy not even shooting.

by bdm860 on Apr 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lucky

I get the ones that think they can shoot. Or decide that a layup is actually a jump shot from 1ft out, they brick it and then fast break the other way.

"Im a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule."
Randal Graves

by idrinkdetergent on Apr 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about this one

The guy that shows up dressed all in matching coordinated gear like they are in a Nike commercial. Sometimes they show up in a complete team uniform. They look the part, but they get out there and are horrible. Almost as bad as the guy who shows up in cutoff jeans and running shoes… You’re in for a long night either way.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

YES

Now I do wear my celtics shorts, but I don’t go celts shirt too. I used to play against some kid who would wear a Kobe Jersey and then matching lakers shorts. Man could he hit that airball! I always asked him to dunk while defending him, he’d get all mad and flustered.

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Randal Graves

by idrinkdetergent on Apr 8, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love and have experienced most of these

But you gotta toughen up a bit on the fouls Steve. Real men never call a foul for themselves, no matter how egregious. It makes you a better player for one, and over time, you get the respect of your fellow pickup mates and they will ultimately call the worst ones on themselves. Yes, even on jumpers. If you are that consistently close enough to your defender on an outside shot that he is even able to hit your arm, then you are probably taking too many contested shots. Run your man off a screen and work for a wide open look and live with whatever contact gets dished out.

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you like the piece, KJ,

although we’ll have to agree to disagree on the fouls bit. I’m all for not abusing the right to make calls and my preference is to have a decent degree of physical basketball going both ways (especially under the boards) without stoppages. But as far as the “never make a call for oneself, no matter how egregious,” I’m not buying it. There are people – I’m not one of them, by the way – who are very, very good shooters, even with defenders coming out to play them. Doesn’t seem fair to have the game mitigated for them by having them take “whatever is dished out.” Just taking a swing at a guy’s arm isn’t a basketball play in my book.

I’m all for getting open looks when possible and using screens effectively, but I’m not willing to judge anyone who routinely takes shots where defenders are close enough to foul them as “taking too many contested shots.”

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I make it a rule for myself unless its a particularly hard foul or one that is only made to save the game I don’t call it.

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Randal Graves

by idrinkdetergent on Apr 8, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree

Guys calling too many touch fouls is far more of a problem in my opinion. I don’t find what you are saying to happen all that often anyway. The occasional guy may just go for a guy’s arms, but I have never experienced more than a few over 25 years of playing ball. Besides, there are better ways to deal with it in my opinion than calling a foul, like smacking his arms out of the way, and hard, on the follow-through, or an especially hard box out when you can, he will learn quickly that dishing out inappropriate contact is not a smart thing to do when playing you.

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough,

and again, my point here was that I’m not talking about touch fouls. I’m with you completely on shooters who get whiny when somebody occasionally flicks their hand or grazes against their arms – calling that with any regularity will drive me up a wall. But every now and then, you get the defender at the other end of the spectrum who completely, and I mean, completely, abuses that concept. And that’s where I think there’s a line.

But generally, I’d agree that returning physical play and getting the implicit message across that hitting is advisable when possible.

Re: the box out – I’m telling ya, as I mentioned above, I just love it when people start literally hyperventilating when you box them hard a couple of times. That gets me laughing every time.

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true

I am the guy who religiously boxes out, was taught the fundamentals, and have no hope of getting up for a rebound without it, and many act as if they have no idea what you are even doing. Makes me do it even harder though, hehe.

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

"No hope of getting up for a rebound without it"

join the club, KJ. :-D

-sw

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by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article

I got a good chuckle from these. When I was in high school I would go to the YMCA all the time to play games and I’ve seen every single one of these especially the “no talk on defenses”…. experienced that first hand, ouch lol. Thankfully now I’m in college and play at the street courts on campus and I’ve got to say, most of the people I play with either played in high school, actually are on our college team, or just take the game seriously so these are never problems. The level of respect for each other is great. I’ve got to say tough, I think the most annoying, for me anyway, is the guy who doesn’t get back on defense. I really really competitive so it kills me when I see someone just loping back up the court, I mean for Christ sakes, I’ve had a knee reconstruction surgery and I’m getting up the court faster than your sorry arse. :P

by OhioCelticsFan on Apr 8, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

gunners

My personal pet peeve is the gunner that would miss the ground if he threw the ball at it.

It’s one thing if a guy is having a good shooting streak but in pickup unlike the NBA, a shooter doesn’t just keep shooting to get out of a funk. By the time he starts getting shots in, the other team has won.

by slamtheking on Apr 8, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Back when I could play

Pet Peeve The guys who thought they couldt stop my left handed mini hook along with my Charles Barkley-esque butt getting position to shoot that shot. Once I repeatedly made it many still wanted to call it luck most of time. It was bread and butter and more butter baby. ( I was a trash talker as well)

“What you goona say now” What you gonna say now"

I think if I had a $1 for every hour spent on pick up games in my life I would be Lebron type rich

Good article sw

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Apr 8, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I bet you were terrible to play with for that exact reason....

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Apr 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Po

love the southpaw stuff. :-D

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're the guy

who you want on your team to finish out the game. Drop the ball down in the post to the guy who had that shot. I used to have the Kevin Willis “jump hook” with the right that was deadly and everyone thought the same thing. It sure was effective though! All these young guys have a hard time understanding why the old guys with their old school moves can still be effective. Mostly due to having learned footwork and positioning.

by EJPLAYA on Apr 8, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need more hook shots in the game today!

“old school moves” EJPLAYA describes me perfectly now

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Apr 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My tweaks:

1. I’d broaden hopstep to include guy who carries consistently and always refutes the call

2. Guy who sticks out knees/elbows on screens

3. I take the opposite view on the follow through argument. A slight touch on a follow through is not enough to call a foul. I hate when people call this (maybe I’m the guy who fouls jump shooters?).

But the # 1 pet peeve I have is the guys who don’t hustle on defense. I’ve definitely been known to yell at teammates in my Saturday morning game for not getting back or hustling. If they only want to play half the game, they can go home.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Apr 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed about the carry add-on

I think the reason I omitted that initially is that I’ve already sadly come to view the carry as a lost cause – it’s done fairly egregiously just about everywhere, and calling it in a pick-up game is more likely to lead to unneeded arguments than anything else.

As for the follow-through, as I mentioned to KJ, I’m not talking about calls on slight touches – my complaint is with the guy who thinks he has carte blanche to hammer people on any shot outside the paint.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I play with Prison Rules.

by BudweiserCeltic on Apr 8, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

jumpsuits and flip flops?

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Apr 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

must be confusing if everyone's decked out in orange :-D

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just hoping my Cable Guy refference doesn’t go unnoticed.

by BudweiserCeltic on Apr 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't go Unnoticed!

That is one of the funniest few minutes in a movie that I have ever seen. Perfect reference!

by EJPLAYA on Apr 8, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

"you guys play bball too?"

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

now with picture goodness

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Apr 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome Cable Guy pic, Jeff

One of the weirder movies I’ve seen.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Impediment

Great stuff, Steve. Can I add one? “The Impediment” – a guy who is smaller and of lesser skill. Wakes up and decides he’s bored with his usual Sunday morning walk with the wife, so goes to the gym to play some hoops with the boys. About 30 seconds in, he figures out he’s overwhelmed, so anytime anyone gets within five feet of him he puts on the brakes and comes to a dead stop. He’s like the old fogey who drives 15 mph on a one-lane road – he never gets into an accident himself, but he causes the 12-car pileup behind him.

by darth pujols on Apr 8, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Another good one, Mr. Albert

And I like the “Impediment” label as well as the analogy. Great stuff.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prison rules

is the way 2 play. I can easily be compared to Powe when I play, I’ve always been a good garbage man, great hustler, great rebound, and can’t make a jump shot from 10ft+. I’m also a little TA/PP since I like to slash since I can’t shoot jump shots. I’ve always enjoyed being more physical then elegant like a jump shooter. SW you should add “the guy who plays dirty but complains when he’s touched”

by Scalablob990 on Apr 8, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

That one is critical

thanks for bringing that up, Blob.

I’ll compile the suggested add-ons and throw ’em all onto the list (with attribution) later on today.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the guy who takes a guy out hard on a clear breakaway?

I am not talking about the odd man breaks you mentioned to save game point. I am talking in the flow when there is an obvious breakaway to the bucket, and some knucklehead under the guise of hustling sprints back and smashes the offensive player, and depending on the court, right into the wall. I have seen too many needless injuries on such plays where the layup should just be conceded. Most of the guys have to get up and go to work the next day and risking life and limb in this manner is just uneccesary.

by KJ33 on Apr 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm, I'm conflicted on this one

Because again, I respect the idea of sprinting to get back – and I agree with some of your above posts (though we weren’t entirely on the same page) about the game being physical, and the fact is that sometimes an innocent attempt to make a great hustle defensive play turns into a collision – and I can live with that. The wrap-up (with no intent on the ball) on a clear breakaway is what seems a bit dirty to me – or as you said, just flinging a guy into a wall. This is especially true in pickup, where the offensive player’s “reward” is to get to take the ball back out up top in a now 5-on-5 halfcourt set rather than going to the line.

I like the idea of a hard effort to get back, and I’m willing to accept that injuries happen in contact sports at times without putting someone “at fault” for them. But sometimes, the risk overcomes the reward, as you mention, and once we get to just hammering guys off the court…then yep, I see where you’re coming from about taking it too far.

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Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love this article!

I see most of these “characters” at the local YMCA on a weekly basis. Here’s the cable guy video for laughs….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0lbdPKl8hg

In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

by 86 Celtics on Apr 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Steve

Still being a kid, playing pickup is one of the my favorite things to do, especially in the Summer. I TOTALLY agree with you on “The Guy Who Thinks Messing Up Is Hilarious.” As you said, I am at fault here myself. But I try to accommodate depending on what style of game they’re playing: just for fun, or playing to win.

One of the my pet peeves has to be the guy who thinks he’s a superstar and tries to be LeBron going to the hoop while quadruple covered. All the while, his teammates have either a wide open lane, or an open shot. I mean… really??

by Celticsfanatic on Apr 8, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

A few more...

- Old guy whose scent you can’t get out of your favorite tee after six washings
- Old guy who might have been good 10 years ago but now relives the glory days by hacking the bejesus out of you (often same as aforementioned smelly guy)
- Guy who never caught on the offensive spacing and defense (as well as the already-mentioned picks)
- When the guy with the key to the gym is any of the guys mentioned in the thread (an either shut up or stop showing up scenario)

by vwoodruff on Apr 8, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Much fun reading and great memories

I read every one of the posts and loved what the article represented.

I had very little offense until after the high school years, but always, always played D to the max. Generally, it was just very good D (even admitted by my peers).

But I guess I probably made far too many moving blocks on guys advancing the ball.

If I would add one not mentioned, it would be….

the guy who never rebounds, especially the BIG guy who never boards

I wasn’t tall and I was skinny. If I can mix it up and try, I expect you to get after it as well.

They also tend to be the guy calling for the ball as soon as someone else gets it.

Great read young Mr. Weinstein.

by Tom Halzack on Apr 9, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Ah, T, always a pleasure to hear from you...

…especially in this case, as it sounds as though our games parallel each other in some respects. Figured you might enjoy this one, as I always appreciated your mention of cleaning snow off the courts to play outside from your bio back in your days writing at MVN.

Hope all is well on your end.

-sw

Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.
Abounding hitters, no clue about the pitching staff: Beware the Bizarro Dodgers!

by Steve Weinman on Apr 9, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

correction

That should have more accurately read…“blocking fouls” – not "moving blocks’

by Tom Halzack on Apr 9, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The player who calls every touch foul and then complains when a foul is called on him/her

by pumpfake on Apr 9, 2009 2:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

I am amazed that this video hasn’t been mentioned yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgZ-KQKrzZ0

by FromDowntown on Apr 9, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great link… “It’s this war, man…”

by vwoodruff on Apr 9, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

one I didn't see yet

Haven’t seen anyone complain about the guy that constantly goes over peoples backs to get boards and thinks he’s just going straight up. same person doesn’t understand it’s illegal to push in the back or better yet, my personal irritant as someone who’s 5’5 and relies on boxing out for rebounds, the clown that puts their hands on the shoulders of the person in front of them and uses them as a springboard for a rebound.

by slamtheking on Apr 9, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I live in Malaysia, and I get called for offensive fouls every time I back someone down in the post, every 3 out of 5 games or so. Been wondering if post-moves are entirely illegal in pickup games, or if it’s just here.

by Xiang on Apr 9, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post, Steve.

This definitely had me laughing out loud .. I would love to offer my anecdotes, but knowing myself, I’d rant on and on so I’ll save it. This was definitely an enjoyable read, nonetheless.

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by erivera7 on Apr 9, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought this clown was banned?

(From this summer) Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by prezofdeath on Apr 13, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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