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Redemption Song

Steph had his PJ Brown moment.

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Steph had his PJ Brown moment.

Stephon Marbury was brought in for one reason.  To provide depth and spark in the playoffs.  Stephon Marbury came here for one reason.  To change people's perception of him as a loser.  Until last night you would have to have said that the jury was still out on both counts (and that's actually being generous).  Last night changed all that.

We don't know where this team will end up in these playoffs, but I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that Marbury had his "PJ Brown moment."  People won't remember the fact that prior to last night Stephon had hit only 14 of 51 shots this postseason.  They will remember the fact that the Magic had us dead to rights and Marbury alone stood up and said "we will not go down without a fight."

Nobody else was doing anything of note at that point in the game and the body language was starting to look defeated and drained.  Marbury hit that first three pointer and suddenly he was on fire.

The Magic strategy of laying off the point guards didn't hurt matters either.  From the Herald: (Hat tip Red's Army):

"We were trying to do a lot of helping and double-teaming off the point guards and I thought it was pretty effective in limiting Paul Pierce a little bit, but Marbury really made us pay," Van Gundy continued. "I think he was really the key to the game."

Of course the Celtics needed some stops and Doc made the call to bring Rondo back with the rest of the starters.  It was a calculated gamble with Steph being as effective as he was, but the strategy paid off.  The starters took that momentum that Steph started and they ran with it all the way to victory.

Marbury made them pay and he will be remembered for it.  And that's all that anyone could have asked for.

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What worries me

Is how successful their strategy of sagging off of Rondo was for such a long time. Rondo needs to make play. Either shoot the ball on the catch, cut relentlessly through the lane, get involved in the off-the-ball action, something. Right now, if he’s handling the point of attack and things are going well, it’s great; if things aren’t going his way and we go for other guys to create shots, he makes the entry pass to the wing and disappears.

Marbury was instrumental yesterday, but he’s been slightly better than pedestrian so far. PJ Brown contributed with more than a “moment”. I hope this is not “Marbury’s moment”, just a start; otherwise, his stay here will be labelled as quite unimpressive.

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A relief for him really,__ just to contribute

hopefully more to come, we’re gonna need him and eddie to step up if we wanna progress.

by mec1 on May 13, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vindication

Doc said it moths ago, Steph is gonna win us a game in the playoffs. Ever since the deal, the critics have relentlessly warned us of the impending catastrophe he would surely turn out to be, on the court, in the locker-room, or even off the court or with media. Some of us have just hung in and proposed that we trust Doc, Danny, our vets, etc. to bring steph in and trust steph to bring his game when it counted.
Just one man’s opinion, but I think last night is evidence in the power of affirmative attitude…

by jyrecelts on May 13, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Marley being used for Stephanie?

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.

Redemption??? He has been here since February and had maybe two or three good games. Granted last night was absolutely huge, and I congratulate him, but to be redeemed you have to show up at Redemption school pretty much everyday and do the work. He ain’t there yet. He just enrolled in redemption school and finally answered the bell – one bell that’s it.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on May 13, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

but even if we only get this one win out of him, it was worth giving him minimal dollars to come in and give it a shot

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on May 13, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But He Has Done The Work
you have to show up at Redemption school pretty much everyday and do the work

He’s worked hard at practice, he’s practiced on his own, he’s played defense as hard as he can, he’s been a good teammate, and even though hard for him, he’s understood why he’s coming off the bench. The only thing he hasn’t done is hit his shots. He’s taken good shots, he hasn’t forced anything, they just haven’t gone down. This happens to all players. It’s happening to Ray now. And let’s not forget that Marbury is coming off surgery and hasn’t played in over a year. It’s not easy to come to a team when he did, one that’s fighting for a championship, and get the playing time he needs to make those shots.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on May 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PJ had played poorly until around the middle of April last year and then played pretty well thereafter. Marbury has been a wonderful teammate, but I would not equate a ‘moment’ with the contributions of PJ Brown last year.

Everyone has been so focused on Marbury’s attitude that they have largely overlooked his play on the court. He’s gotten a pass for three months. Anytime he does something good, we all get excited thinking he’s finally getting back to his old self (on the court). It’s too late now to do anything differently, but I see the Marbury experiment as a failure.

by amenhotep04 on May 13, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes but looking back...

what did PJ do before that jump shot against the cavs at the end of game 7?

that was also the 2nd round remember…

from that point forward he was a very solid contributor… but up to that point I don’t remember him changing the outcome of a game as profoundly as marbury did last night.

by WillyBeamin on May 13, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PJ

IS and WAS a more well rounded humble individual contributing more than salary and tattoos.
thats just for starters….

by mec1 on May 13, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's amazing to me

that everyone in the celtics organization can have marbury’s back, and say he’s done all the right things and brought the right attitude, that he has worked hard since the day he got here.

and all you can harp on is his veteran minimum salary and the fact that he has tatoos. BRILLIANT.

by WillyBeamin on May 13, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I don’t know the details, but the guy is often said to be a great philanthropist for the state of Louisiana; one who really cares about the community. What do you mean he has done nothing for NO?

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he was with the Celtics you could count on him for the curcial 3ptr or rebound.

He always seemed to be at the right place at the right time. I always liked seeing him get off the bench. I wasn’t able too many NO games this year, but the ones I saw he pretty much was a none factor. Missed his shots, didn’t rebound, he didn’t seem to have his heart in it. Then in the playoffs the whole team seemed to quit (o.k. that’s not his fault, but he is part of the team).

As far as him being a philanthropist, I don’t know, I’ll take your word for it. With all the money these guys make they should all be that way.

by eastie Rich on May 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He defended and rebounded pretty well

Of course, people always remember scoring better.

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget...

that facial he threw down on kobe game 4

by eat ur wheaties on May 13, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and how can you possibly consider it too late???

he just proved last night it’s never too late… he was just instrumental in our most important win of the season

2 months of ineffectiveness in the regular season and first round can be easily swept away with success deeper into the playoffs… this is the most important time of the year.

by WillyBeamin on May 13, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

But there is no comparison to PJ.
This is a different team at a different time.

There is no more desperate time for a player like Steph to step up.
prove it to the world and to everyone.
PJ was and still is a classy individual who could of exited still being a legend.

by mec1 on May 13, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen bubbahotep... Stephon is not a failure.

You watch, Marbury is an important element from now on. His talent and skill are now embedded in a real, working system, with clear guidelines on how to play and how to act as a teammate, which he has never had to this degree. For god’s sake, Tommy Heinsohn, BILL RUSSELL and Danny have all said they believe in the guy and respect his attitude here. What more can you ask for as evidence that they don’t think he’s a failure?

by jyrecelts on May 13, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Movie

Love the movie reference. If you look at what I wrote I conceded that his attitude was good. I’m not questioning that. I also did not call him a failure. I’m focused specifically on his play on the court. I also would say that since he’s been here he has been an important ‘element’ as you call him. But while he played well in the fourth quarter, given the amount of run he’s had, I expected much more from him than delivered. Has his attitude been great? Of course it has. I never questioned that. But he has gotten way more room while still playing poorly. And granted everyone is hoping he’ll turn it around, I hope he does, but so far, with the exception of a few minutes here or there, he has not developed on the court like I am guessing everyone hoped. Certainly not like I had hoped. I am also not saying Doc should not play him. At this stage we have to hope that Marbury plays better every night.

by amenhotep04 on May 13, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, thanks for clarifying... and ya, I loved that movie - bruce campbell IS elvis!!!

II do have to point out that Steph’s offense is less important to Doc than his Defense. He’s been good enough on D to give Doc confidence in his minutes, and yes we are all hoping for the starbury offense to be reliable in these playoffs, which was the vision Danny had.

by jyrecelts on May 13, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PJ made one shot in his entire tenure here...

He has got to be one of the most overrated elements of last year. He made one shot, other than that he was pretty much terrible.

Marbury not only made multiple shots, but he single handedly prevented the loss yesterday, its not even debateable. Marbury has played overall fairly poorly, but his game last night was 100 times more impressive than any of PJ’s games. Look at the unit when Marbury was out there, unfortunately, before all of the injuries, thats basically a white flag roll over and die lineup. Marbury single handedly saved the series. Give the man his due and please, lets stop making PJ a bigger deal than he was. No doubt a huge shot, but seriously, other than that he sucked miserably.

by shiggins on May 13, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to take away from PJ

he made many good plays, that was simply the biggest of the bunch.

he was very solid on defense and capable of finishing around the rim. PJ did not suck by any means….

by WillyBeamin on May 13, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

PJ was a calming and subtle influence, for the better i believe

.. we got no one like that this time or POZE from the corner.

by mec1 on May 13, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

basketball is a lot more

than making shots.

That’s the kind of reasoning that made Marbury a vastly over-rated player throughout his career.

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't need the calming/subtle influence this year....

We are experienced and “know” how to win close games….last year PJ may have brought the “soft” intangibles to a team “learning how to win”…This year…those aren’t needed…What was/is needed is consistent contribution off the bench. We already have the right mindset in place

by giantfollower on May 13, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol at this

You guys are on crack. PJ Brown was a hell of a lot better than just “one shot” last year. In fact, he played well in just about EVERY MINUTE he played on the floor which is a lot more than I can say for Marbury.

Try to remember past what you had for lunch yesterday, sheesh.

by dobbs on May 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what did you have for lunch yesterday Dobbsy?

Crab Cakes??? hahahahaha and PJ was worlds more valuable

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on May 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PJ Brown moment

to clarify, I don’t think I meant to compare PJ to Steph directly – just pointing out that everyone remembers that shot by PJ a year later and everyone will remember this 4th quarter effort by Steph

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on May 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its amazing to me..

How many smart and able people on this board continue to ignore the personal psychology of the players involved and just judge everyone off their on-court histories…

Marbury has certainly not been all that he is capable of, but if you spend a few minutes reviewing where he has come from and what he’s gone through mentally it makes a lot of sense.

Jeff’s statement about the “jury being out” on him being a “loser” is exactly the type of thing that makes it so hard for Steph to play on instinct and not constantly battle with confidence issues when trying to make decisions.

Every player or insider that has discussed Steph has said exactly the same thing – he is trying so hard to erase an image that he is just completely lost in his own head trying to re-invent himself.

Now all that may mean little when it comes to the bottom line, but if you are thinking in terms of when he may get their and what he can give you, I think he’s shown that he is capable of adjusting and that, given time, he can be a valuable contributor.

I hope Boston makes a quality offer and Steph accepts it. I have little doubt that a full off-season and training camp to work himself into the mix will pay huge dividends and Steph will get the true “redemption song” he is looking for.

Step out of your own shoes and try for a minute to think about how you would react if it was you in a similar circumstance for the past 5 years coming into this situation – 20 thousand screaming fans and tens of thousands more with media scrutiny and expectation hanging in the balance….have you ever felt that type of pressure?

Think about it…

by BillfromBoston on May 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Brick has been right about Starbury’s defense (real bad), but I think Starbury has been good on the offensive end of the floor, despite his shot not falling. He’s a creator, and the second unit needs that.

If we had had him all year a lot would be different. I’m all for re-signing him, if the price is right.

People can change. I think Starbury has been the victim, on this Board, of essentially a kind of prejudice.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on May 13, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree with this 100 percent

While Marbury’s shot has been off and he has been tenatative, he has worked as hard on defense as any player on this team. Look how many times Doc has put him in at the end of the game for defensive purposes. last night he actually replaced Ray at the end of the game at least once on the defensive end. I supported the Marbury experiment and if they could get him for the right price next year and he could except a 15-20 minute a game role (two huge if’s), I would sign him.

by vinnie on May 13, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have any kind of prejudice against Marbury

The problem is very simple: besides some flashes, his basketball production has been… I won’t say mediocre, but, at the very best, very average, even considering all the circumstances.

In fact, I believe people want so much to show they don’t have prejudice against Marbury they just over-rate his contributions. The guys is a scoring PG who’s shooting, I don’t know, 30% from the field?

Hopefully, he can revert that situation and start being the contributor we expected him to be, but so far, he hasn’t been there.

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very average is an acceptable level

This blog would be ecstatic if Mikki Moore was playing mediocre to average basketball because that would mean he would be playable for a few minutes per game.

Maybe I just had lower expectations. I expected him to not be a cancer. I expected him to play well enough to get minutes, but not bad enough to cost us games. I hoped for a couple of flashes of brilliance that might win a key game or two. Marbury seems to be filling those expectations. At the very least, I don’t think he’s had a game where people were wishing Tony Allen was in instead. Meanwhile, poor Mikki is playing so bad, some people want Bill Walker to play out of position.

by LooseCannon on May 13, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

He’s a freaking NBA player. He better be able to step up asap; excuses and intangibles are nice but won’t earn him a salary. Right now, he’s not showed he’s recovered his basketball ability to an acceptable level – too early to say he definitely can’t; but so far he has not. He was never that good to begin with, he was already declining 2 seasons ago, had a couple of injuries, so it’s no surprise if he’s not really good any more. If he shows something else than effort and good intentions, then we have something to talk about; right now, Anthony Johnson (let alone Hinrich) has been the better player among the 2 backup PGs.

Taking in consideration the quality of your predictions (regarding Marbury being an All-Star quality player this season already or Glen Davis not being more than a fringe NBA player, besides more bizarre stuff like Giddens being a better prospect than Courtney Lee and Powe and LRMAM being similar players), I’m scared by the fact that you predict Steph will be really good after a training camp with the team.

by cordobes on May 13, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fascinating...

…how you can continue to round off and simply arguments i’ve made to satisfy your perspective of things, while at the same time justifying your perspective as fact in your premise.

I stated none of the things you listed as you stated them, you’ve managed to create a list of players we’ve discussed while missing the boat on all the detail.

But that’s the real problem with you, you take subjective data and treat it as fact to substantiate your opinion. You know enough to make valid points, but you always think you have the entire handle on the matter and that the full picture is clear to you.

You lack humility and you overestimate the quality of the information you have as well as lacking professional feedback on your positions. You’re smart, and you’ve made good points, but your style is heavy handed and geared to suit your purpose, not to listen.

Have a good day

by BillfromBoston on May 14, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To Some

Why is it so hard to cut this guy (Steph) some slack. Bill Russell has. If Bill Russell can, we sure can.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on May 13, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fouls for Fouls

I’m a not a fan of the fould because we are ahead plan. I’m just glad it worked out. I am interested know how many others did not like the fouls for fouls used at the end of the game.

ShoreysStories

by ShoreysStories on May 13, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Really Don't

But if you do it right and get the ball to the right guys it can work. Remember that Doc was criticized for not doing this in one of the Bulls game. Actually Doc did want it done, the players just didn’t do it. Doc talked last nite about his "under 9 seconds and ahead by 3 rule)—He wants the team to foul in that situation. I don’t like stopping the clock and giving the other team the chance, but it sure worked to perfection last nite.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on May 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PJ and the Steph Haters

To be honest, I remember that shot PJ hit, but when I think of the best PJ Play it would have to be his block on LeBron at the end of Game 7 (I believe). LeBron was in the post and had been getting to the line whenever he got a big man on him. But maybe I’m alone there…

Also, I don’t understand how people can be complaining about Marbury. (“PJ IS and WAS a more well rounded humble individual contributing more than salary and tattoos”). I haven’t seen one ounce of hubris since Marbury came here. After coming out in the 4th quarter last night he didn’t sulk or sit quietly on the bench, upset that he was taken out. He was cheering for the starters and went nuts when Ray hit that go-ahead 3.

Rather than loathe a stranger for mistakes he made, isn’t it nicer to just enjoy seeing someone play well?

by TakesItMakesIt on May 13, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. I’m sick and tired of hearing of people complaining about Steph. He’s playing as a team player and you can see that he’s trying, even if he’s not 100% back yet. He creates plays for other teammates and runs the floor like everybody else.

To Master Po: Just because he’s been with the Celtics since February, it doesn’t mean he’s supposed to execute a perfect game every night. How many minutes has he been getting every night? If he got 25 minutes or more on every game, THEN I would agree on requesting more from him. But middle of the season practices just aren’t enough to get you 100% back in rhythm.

by braz on May 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The jury is still out.

Marbury is an old Sebastian Telfair.

by Raef on May 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stephon is taking vare of business

Guys, when the C’s picked up Marbury, it was a low-cost gamble. I believe that it has paid off handsomely. While he has shown a tendancy to pass instead of shoot, that is because he was trying desperately to fit into everyone’s perception of his role. Remember, he was brought in to spell Rondo, feed KG the ball and hold the fort for a few minutes at a time.

It’s a totally different situation now. When went Kevin out, our title hopes and expectations also took a dive. Anyone who thinks that the current roster, minus Steph, can take out either the Cavs or the Lakers is smoking some good stuff while wearing their green glasses. BUT if Steph can come in and contribute, say, 8-10 pts a game and some inspired playmaking, like he did last night, we DO have a decent chance for another title. Steph has never been scared of going up against anyone or of taking his shots; if he can do so now while maintaining his teamwork the Cavs will be forced to change their defencive sceme to account for him.

What I would be curious to see is how he and Rondo would work together on the court. It likely won’t ever happen but if Doc wanted to go both small and fearless, we might just see it.

by jdn on May 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They Have Played Together A Few Times.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on May 13, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right on with that point...

Definitely true about Steph, and I don’t guess that most of these harsh posts are from folks who don’t understand the way the Celtic family operates, and how it brings out the best in anyone who has it in them. Steph is proving he does, week by week. Definitely look for more and better as time goes by.

by jyrecelts on May 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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