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Can't Close The Deal

Can't close the deal.

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Can't close the deal.

Howard walked the walk, the Celtics couldn't put them away and Orlando forces a game 7.

  • Boston actually started off this game playing very well.  They moved the ball and got great looks at the basket and chased down all the lose balls.
  • Then they pulled an Orlando and faltered down the stretch.
  • Rondo came out strong and aggressive and had a nice all around game.  Usually when that happens we win.  Somehow that didn't happen this time.
  • I love Ray Allen and it is hard to fault a guy that works so hard on his game.  With that said, his slump is really hurting us right now.  He should be destroying these guys and apart from one big 3 in game 5, we've gotten nothing out of him this series offensively.
  • Another up and down game for Paul Pierce.  He was near invisible for much of the 2nd half before catching fire for 8 straight points to retake the lead.  I though that we were really going to start rolling at that point.  I though the Magic would fold like a card table again.  They didn't.
  • Howard got his touches, but not by guilting his team into passing him the ball more.  He did it the right way (for his game) and hit the boards.
  • It is almost unfair to expect greatness out of Glen Davis every game, but he's raised the bar with his play this postseason.  He didn't have a great game.
  • Another day, another solid game for Perkins.  Howard just played better.  Tip your hat to him.
  • All season long we've been bemoaning the turnovers.  They killed us tonight.

Bottom line is that the Celtics couldn't close the door.  They let the Magic back in this series and now they got to game 7 where someone is going home for the year.  I'm pretty confident that the Celtics can win at home (how about that home court advantage now?) but I wish they didn't have to.

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Ray Allen is the reason we are in the second round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stay true to those around you. Never abandoned those who brought you to the fork in the road so you could even chose a direction.

Ray Allen is the coolest, classiest, purest shooter this team has ever seen. He is professional in every sense of the word and deserves the fans respect as he struggles.

Shameful Vinnie and all other who are nothing but Willow trees

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by Master Po on May 14, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Arent you quick to call out rondo every game if he doesnt play perfect?

face the facts, ray has been awful in this series. why not say it?

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

find ANY ANY ANY quote I have called out Rondo!!!!! you are wrong???

Has Ray Allen player poorly? yes – but we would not be in the second round without Ray Allen hitting huge shots against Chicago nor would we home court advantage o the first two rounds had he not pulled out some big games during the season. Find a quote where I blamed Rondo for anything to cause a loss and I will send you $500 and if you can’t be a man and apologize to me !!!!

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by Master Po on May 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do apoligize. I just noticed alot of people do call out rondo for being inconsistent (waaah) yet, hes only played poorly in 2 playoff games…and alot of people wont call out anyone else for inconsistenies, heck ray allen has been consistently bad in this series, pierce was consistently bad in the bulls series, and imo, if it wasnt for rondo we would have been on vacation after 4 games against chicago

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo is to blame

He has to give Ray the ball to shoot when the clock is winding down. I would take a fade away, hand in the face long distance shot from Ray than I a wide open jumper from Rondo with the clock winding down.

by Schmutzig75 on May 15, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd have a point if...

…the goal is to merely get into the second round. The goal is to advance from round to round until you win the championship, so it doesn’t what happened in the last round. It’s the present round that counts. And, yes… it’s ok to critique Ray. That doesn’t make anyone a Willow tree. Furthermore, Ray being the coolest, classiest, purest shooter this team has ever seen is irrelevant to what Vinnie is saying. Vinnie critiqued Ray’s play, he didn’t attack Ray as a person.

One can give their full support to a player and the team while still pointing out that particular player has come up short. What’s so wrong with that?

by The Village Idiot on May 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a blanket statement and incorrect

“Ray is killing this team”

It’s like saying “Thanks for flying me to Alaska but you are the reason I am cold!!!!”

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by Master Po on May 14, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray allen did kinda kill us tonight…I hate it as much as the next guy, but he just flat out dissapeared in this entire series…

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

without ray we wouldn't even been here

we would be at home watching the bulls…and without ray we would have lost game 5 and been eliminated tonight…ray will show sunday..i believe in him

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

want to really say who killed us tonight besides RA?

1.) Not being able to rely at all on Mikki Moore – he sucks and is waste of space. Same for TA – he sucks as well.
2.) Not getting two games in a row from Starbury – can he be consistent?
3.) Eddie House and BBD combined only 12 points – just a tough night.

Remember RA played more minutes than anyone tonight, and he is the oldest on the team – yeah let’s blame Ray Allen

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by Master Po on May 14, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. But ray allen makes 18 million a year. and I just cant help but call him out – for this series. he was magnificent all season for us, but hes been bad this series. real bad. hes actually killing us. I agree with that statement. hes killing us in this series. him being incapable of getting it going is putting pierce in a tough spot, and everyone else for that matter

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not forget

when we were down by 6 with 1:30 left and we had 10 seconds left on the shot clock and for no reason Rondo shoots an air ball 3.

by Schmutzig75 on May 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I get your point, but...

… as blanket as his statement was, Vinnie seems to be commenting on Ray’s performance tonight as opposed to any other time.

And, it’s just a fact of life that even the coolest, classiest, purest shooter this team has ever seen can play poorly at times. Ya know what I mean?

by The Village Idiot on May 14, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on May 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right -- criticizing his play, not the man

Ray was 2-11 tonight. He is a guy who HAS to score for this team to win — at least usually. That is all I am saying. His lack of scoring tonight and in this series is one of the main reasons the series is going to 7. He is still due huge credit for the 3 in Game 5 that put the C’s in the lead, but a guy who makes the big bucks needs to come to play almost every game.

by vinnie on May 14, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where was Marbury?

I guess Doc doesn’t want anyone on the floor that can shoot.

by liamail on May 14, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Marbury can't shoot...

Sure, he did well during the final minutes of Game 5 but if you have seen any other games, he hasn’t made a lot of pretty baskets, just a bunch of pretty CLANGS off the rim.

It’s disappointing watching the Celtics lose to a mediocre team. This further proves that the Celtics have no chance against Cleveland IF they make it.

by AlexC on May 14, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no such thing

Cavs are overrated, check the stats

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I'm more optimistic than Alex and don't subscribe to the "Celtics have no chance" theory,

which stats indicated that the Cavs are overrated?

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 15, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this question goes unanswered I see....

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by Screen Name on May 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A 29 point second half?

I knew they were terrible in the 2nd half but my lord. 7 of those points were on the PP flurry.

Just sloppy in the second half. The Magic were ripe for the taking.

Celts lost this one much more than the Magic won it.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on May 14, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but thankfully the magic are just as painfully inconsistent and, well…stupid…lol, otherwise they probably wouldve (and shouldve) won in 5

by ohc on May 14, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BBD was equally bad tonight

he tried to do way way too much every time he touched the ball

the bench contributed almost nothing (except Scal)

we needed a contribution from somebody else

by KJR on May 14, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't it be fun,

to have Marbury, be Starbury, for just one game that really mattered, and I mean, really BE Starbury, in all his faded glory….

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by Screen Name on May 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, now the celtics gag a game they should have won by 30

this team has no killer instinct, and all along i thought if they could close it out in 6, they deserve to lose in 7, period

by ohc on May 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orlando troll?

Um no…the celtics just lost a game they shouldve won, and I have almost never been this furious after a loss, I want to punch someone in the face

hack a pierce in the clutch

just lost to a team that played AWFUL. shot AWFUL…we will lose in 7, book it

by ohc on May 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy with that

ohc is no troll. Far from it.

by DRJ1 on May 14, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? Considering how Orlando choked a game away in game 5?

by NoraG1 on May 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who cares, we just choked away game 6

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I was just prepared to say that

Vujacic was curled in a corner rocking, holding his knees and crying

but I guess that will have to wait for another day

by KJR on May 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what time is game 7 on Sunday?

???

and yes, Ray Allen = David Ortiz

by bewareofdware on May 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

8 PM I think

Either game 1 of the WCF or game 7 of LAL-HOU will be Sunday at 3 PM on ABC…

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by skywaker9 on May 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugly

only this time we did not win. Ray is MIA again. 0-7 shooting 3s. Man, its frustrating.

by 33-32-00 on May 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Magic delay the inveitable

You’ll win Sunday….

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by skywaker9 on May 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray was 0-7, really? so was Ortiz tonight!!!!

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAA

oh crap I’m crying on the inside

by bewareofdware on May 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No tired excuses EVER

this team brings it on themselves, If they really wanted rest, they could have gotten it tonight.

by beantownboy171 on May 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly. and good point. them being tired is there own freaking fault.

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

22 turnovers

and ray almost had as many turnovers as points.

by Pengaloo on May 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray Allen had about 2 open looks all night

the Magic have game-planned to stop him; no one ever leaves him

Rondo, BBD and sometimes Perk are wide open

if Ray Allen had Rondo’s opportunities, he’d score 50

team needs to make multiple passes and not just one and done, they didn’t make the passes down the stretch

also, they were gassed; with (essentially) 5-1/2 players, they’ve got to pick their spots; I worried they’d expended too much in the 1st half, and in fact they had

I’m not worried about Sunday; I think they’ll be fine at home

by KJR on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We must have watched different games

Ray had well more than two open looks tonight. He simply is hitting nothing. And on top of it, for the most part he is not making smart decisions with the ball. It is almost identical to the way he played the first two series last year.

by vinnie on May 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, ray allen got a ton of open looks tonight, and it doesnt matter, he can be a deadly shooter with a hand in his face. it doesnt matter. not only is he missing shots, he isnt playing smart at all

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray just isn't playing well

When Rey gets going, he will score no matter how many hands are in his face. In game 6 against the Bulls, he got 3 guys hanging on him and he still made a turnaround 3. Now he just doesn’t have it and that’s bad news for the Celtics.

by 33-32-00 on May 14, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heck of a game tonight.

I said over at 3QC that this was a mental and physical battle between two teams that really wanted to win. It was an ugly game, but an entertaining one. GL in Game 7, everyone. Should be a doozy of a game.

Big ups to Rondo, especially. Dude was flat out phenomenal tonight.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo was electric......

But imagine if he could consistently finish? He blew a few bunnies tonight.

by bewareofdware on May 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine if pierce could consistenly finish, or imagine if rondo was perfect, and never missed, yes we all wish he was the perfect player…but hes not

but ya know what? hes amazing.

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly amazing. Don't disagree.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no..it was a poor job by the C's

they sucked down the stretch tonight…never knocked the magic out when they had the chance…nba gets their game 7

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought so too.

You know what I said, ‘celticinorlando’ .. Boston had a chance to put Orlando away in the second quarter, but were unable to do so. That’s one of the differences in the game right there.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both teams didn't play particularly well, tonight.

Shows in the stats and elsewhere. In any case, GL in Game 7. May the best team win.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we now know the answer to one question?

Was it important to earn that #2 seed?

Glad this game is in Boston.

by bewareofdware on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a couple of thoughts!

Ray is really hurting us!

BBD trying to be a hero tonight. Dribbling way too much, particularly trying to back guys down. Really, trying to do too much.

Rondo played well, BUT taking that three late in the game was not a good shot.

They came out strong from tipoff FINALLY, but nothing from Paul and Ray until late in the game is absolutely unacceptable.

I’ve said this all along, the Celtics need to play with a tougher mentality from beginning to end and they haven’t done that yet. It seems each game there is at least a quarter or more where they just don’t play like they are capable of, tonight they laid an egg in the second half.

They are playing with fire too much in these playoffs!

by Dchuck on May 14, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

kinda helps my mood a bit – finish the job Rockets

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by Jeff Clark on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Blazers fan, I get ya

Lakers suck….

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by skywaker9 on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad...

it is still too early in the 1st. Wish there is a mercy rule in NBA

by 33-32-00 on May 14, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fwiw, it looked to me as though Ray was taking a ton of contact coming around screens. Paul badly needs someone who can come in and give him a breather, but who you gonna call? Tony? (have mercy) Walker? Not replacing Pose is coming back to haunt them.

by Tenacious D on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously, posey? get over it, he left for more money

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. The lack of a competent three – Posey or anyone with a similar skillset – is a massive, massive mistake by Ainge and Grousbeck.

Really stupid planning.

by CoachBo on May 14, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, but at this point its irrelevant to me, especially posey…he left for more money, and theres no way we shouldve offered him what he got..

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is anything but irrelevant.

It is the precise reason Paul Pierce is struggling – no backup all season, which means mega-minutes.

Management went cheap. And we’re paying the price for it now.

by CoachBo on May 14, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Its anything but irrelevant” Thanks, Bo. OHC—its not Pose per se—its the Pose role, the guy who comes in for 12-15 a night to cover for Paul. Couldve been Miles. Could have been Salmons, who passed through for five minutes on the Cassel-Paddy clearance. They could have drafted CDR. As currently assembled, the Cs have the following non-options: Moore, Giddins, Pruett, Tony Allen. No help for Paul there. If mngt isnt kicking themselves they should be. And maybe Doc should be have second thoughts about not developing Walker.

by Tenacious D on May 15, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree with the concept, Tenacious D,

in fairness to Danny, it’s worth clarifying that it was Will Solomon (career backup point guard) who was involved in the Cassell-O’Bryant clearance rather than John Salmons and his people-eating goatee.

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by Steve Weinman on May 15, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles?

You don’t mean Darious Miles do you?

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by Screen Name on May 15, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad Steve, thanks for the correction. And yes, the Darius Miles who as I recall had some effective minutes off the bench for the Griz. Aint saying much, but at this point who would you rather have? Tony or Mikki. Sadly I dont think TA is ever going to get it.

by Tenacious D on May 15, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the Griz

a team that the entire league stays up late the night before a game with. And I promise you, you’re front office was smart NOT to bring him in. The Griz are already looking elsewhere for his replacement, as his comeback was always a joke. Apparently, he’s already back to his old bull

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by Screen Name on May 15, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

beat that dead horse

you can beat that dead horse day after day but it doesn’t change anything.

I understand the frustration with Danny not providing a better bench—-particularly a better replacement for Posey (matching the NO offer wasn’t realistic) and a decent backup Center. The bodies are there to back up the 3 they’re just not producing as they should. The real issue has been the back up 5 spot which is really showing right now. Doc has always played PP high minutes even with Posey last year—having the backup wing is no guarantee of PP getting substantially less minutes. Also, I disagree that the biggest issue the team has is PP’s output. This team is having a lot of problems but I wouldn’t put a replacement wing at the top of that list.

by slamtheking on May 15, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too add to that

Posey’s greatest contribution that no one else on the bench comes close to matching was his versatility.

It’s arguable the C’s have a functional 9-10 man team when the team is completely healthy but it’s the current lack of versatility off the bench that hurts. No one is really suited for playing more than 1 position. Everyone off the bench is really a 1-position player that has had to cover a second position due to the make up of the team.
Marbury, Pruitt: PG
TA, House, Giddens: SG
Walker: SF
Scal, BBD, Powe: PF
Moore: C
Put these guys in a different role than their natural positions, they’ll do their best but they produce less. Posey could produce well as either a SG, SF or PF. Best as a SF but was a solid contributor in other positions.

by slamtheking on May 15, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics Basketball

So What, We’re going to win it all!! STARBURY #18 THE LEGEND CONTINUES!!

by star18 on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The worst thing from tonight

…is that the Cs came out with a lot of energy, looked like they came to play right from tipoff. And still they lost. To a mediocre team not playing very well. Ouch.

Doc: When you have a red-hot Eddie House available, why are you continuing to play ice-cold Ray Allen? Yes, Ray has been great in the past, but he is killing you now — why keep him in? Doc, Doc, Doc… I really wonder about you.

Paul: Live by the Paul, die by the Paul. Missed too many shots in the 4th, and committed too many TOs.

Rondo: Really came to play tonight, and looked great. Got too little help from his All-Stars, especially Ray. But too many TOs.

Baby: Played like he has let his recent success go to his head. Too many hero attempts.

Ray: Superbad. Twice as many TOs as baskets. Bad squared.

Oh well. One more. I’m sure the Cavs will be very well rested, ready to make mincemeat of whichever team they face next.

by DRJ1 on May 14, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey DJ

… not only are we not going to meet in the Finals, looks like we’ve got our hands full just making our respective conference finals. Oh well… there was a golden season in the sun… gone now.

by DRJ1 on May 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think House didn`t play good defense tonight.. Ray looked better on that end of the floor, and who knows, maybe he`ll catch fire anmd shoots us into the ECF.

It`s not a bad decision to just trust Ray Allen. Unfortunately, it didn`t work

by Casperian on May 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually houses defense was damn good for him tonight

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doc will not play House if his defense sucks...

…and House’s defense sucked tonight. Somehow the conventional wisdom that defense begets offense is getting lost in the heat of the moment.

And while Ray sucked tonight, he’s just too cluctch for coach to quit on him. Gotta ride him to the end. Same with Paul. As much as he frustrates me at times, I want him in there when it counts.

by The Village Idiot on May 14, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

why does ray allen make 18 million a year? to dissapear in the 2nd round of the playoffs? i dont know , but he did it last year as well. im pretty annoyed with him

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

boston had a real chance in the second quarter to

knock orlando out….they couldn’t do it and now we have a game 7 sunday….blah!

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game proved what most of us already know – the cavs are a virtual lock for the finals. this series is really insignificant, but id actually prefer losing to the cavs then the magic honestly

we are completly and uttery incaple of playing solid basketball for 48 minutes(so are the magic) but cleveland, not so much..they have played 48 minutes in all of there playoff games, hmm i wonder why they swept ?

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray Allan, turnovers and fouls

Long overdue for Ray Allan to come up with a half decent shooting game; if not for that, the constant turnovers and the number of shooting fouls given up, the C’s would have easily walked away with this game. We keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If this continues in game 7, it’s bye-bye C’s, and the Cavs will swallow Orlando in giant bites. Let’s hope our C’s wake up next game- at least, we’ll give the Cavs a fight, even without K.G., who is sorely missed

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by lygafe on May 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bs-Carolina going to OT tied at 2

Next goal gets to face Pittsburgh..

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by skywaker9 on May 14, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stern has to be pissing himself

right now…boston and maybe LA both in a game seven

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anybody else exhausted watching the Cs

right now? after every game i feel like i have been in a fight

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup. Im very dissapointed as well. the magic were about to fold tent and go on vacation and were having problems in the lockerrom. we put them in a hole early, and couldnt finish – unbelievable

by ohc on May 14, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup...it just isnt easy anymore with the

circumstances…they have played with heart and guts but i am afraid they are running out of steam…good news is the game is in boston and on TNT

by celticinorlando on May 14, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey c’mon we don’t win game 6’s until the ecf finals

by Red2 on May 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fatigue,turnovers and lack of shooting by ray allen cost us this game.

by Red2 on May 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

@%$@W%^#^#^%%!!!!!

ATROCIOUS!! DISGUSTING!!!! REPULSIVE!!!! INEXCUSABLE!!! I’m absolutely hoarse from screaming at my TV tonight. Just an absolutely PUTRID performance in the second half. These guys were more disorganized than a CYO team would have been. Offense absolutely stunk again, particularly the second half.

There’s absolutely no reason a team of veterans should throw the ball away over 20 times during a game, nevermind a playoff game.

Horrific effort. I just don’t know anymore if these guys can get it together to win another game after watching that mess.

by slamtheking on May 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade Ray Allen

This guy has been killing us this whole series and you know what Doc Rivers does? Keeps Ray Allen on the court when he’s been struggling…

I think Ray Allen might not have a future with the C’s if he fails to perform well in Game 7 and we lose that game.

by AlexC on May 14, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not too sure about that

Ray had a really solid year for us and did pretty well against Chicago. I don’t think this series will punch his ticket out of town.

However, if someone comes to Danny with an offer of 2 very good players for Ray in order to get his expiring deal for next year, Danny will probably give it some thought to strengthen the team’s depth.

by slamtheking on May 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might want to sleep on this one and think that over.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 14, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me, Danny

Steve, I’m saying Danny may give that kind of offer some thought. I’m not sure I’d do it having seen how Ray bounced back this season and played well against Chicago. I think Ray’s still got some game left in him for next year regardless of what he’s doing in this series.

Danny needs to increase the depth on the team to get at least a solid 8 man rotation, if not 9-10 players that can make really solid contributions when called upon which would include versatility in playing multiple positions—>Posey’s greatest contribution that no one else on the bench comes close to matching. It’s arguable that he has a funtional 9-10 man team when the team is completely healthy but it’s the current lack of versatility off the bench that hurts.

His views on breaking up the original big 3 are well known so breaking up the new (and less-revered) big 3 isn’t a stretch to consider. Ray’s contract offers perhaps the best opportunity to bring in 2-3 good to very good players when considering salaries. Even though Danny could potentially have at his trading disposal TA, Scal, House (takes the player option) and Pruitt (team option/sign & trade), the $ doesn’t add up to more than what a single good or very good player earns (assuming you could get a good one that’s not overpaid and a team that’s looking to dump a longer contract for role players on short deals).

by slamtheking on May 15, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, slam, I should have clarified

That was a reply to the above post from AlexC, not yours – I agreed with what you said, though I certainly appreciate the added clarification below.

-sw

The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.

by Steve Weinman on May 15, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only argument I have is, this isnt a team full of veterans, it has 3 players under 24 starting man. the magic have a more veteran team than that. the 2 veterans we do have are turnover prone…sucks but it is what is is

by ohc on May 14, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

that’s true, C’s have 3 rotation players under 24 but Perk’s in his 6th year. The 2 turnover prone vets we have unfortunately handle the ball a lot.

I think it’s more a matter that they just don’t focus as much as they need to rather than they just can’t handle the ball. Well, Ray isn’t great on ball control on the break or penetration but still, his biggest problem is not being aware of who’s around him.

by slamtheking on May 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What made it so frustrating to watch is

that the missed shots were not caused by great D of the Magic. It was mostly us.

Wonder if Ray’s elbow is bothering him again and he just won’t speak out at this time.

by 33-32-00 on May 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what

All we have to do is win Game 7

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're trying to replicate last year's playoff.

Like some ancient spiritual ritual. You have to replicate the events.

by k lazy on May 14, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol…there ya go…

ray allen was invisible in that 2nd round last year…ironic

by ohc on May 14, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ray allen is the 5th option on the floor or what? hes basically playing like a guy who cant score the basketball in this series. likes hes a defensive stopper who cant play defense. Doc is keeping him out there to get it going, and he has yet to get it going this entire series. the team is basically playing 5 on 4 with him on the court right now…i mean huh? hes turning the ball over, turning up open shots, the whole nine yards.. hes the worst player on the floor right now

by ohc on May 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welp, the bruins just lost a game 7 in the TD banknorth….. hopefully not a foreshadowing

by ohc on May 14, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Dick Bavetta is officiating a Game 6 you know...

…the series is going 7. That’s just the way it is. Simmons is absolutely right about the league orchestrating series with officiating assignments.

Magic get +16 FTA and only got whistled for 13 fouls, to our 28 fouls. Told my buddies before the game exactly how it would play out. It’s that bad with Bavetta, he’s like the league’s top hitman or something.

by a tommy point on May 14, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You've got to be kidding me!

I’m sorry. I’ve come on this board and haven’t whined about officiating except in your defense. I’m a Magic fan, but seriously. The ref’s were horrific tonight. BBD had a fifth foul for body slamming Alston…..no call. Perkins was absolutely playing hockey tonight, and there is no doubt in my mind he should have fouled out early in the fourth.

I know playoff basketball means that the refs call fewer fouls, but six fouls on both teams late in the second quarter is just stupid.

I’m not saying that the officials were pro Celtics. I’m saying that they were equally as bad for both teams.

We squeaked one out, but two things for your consideration:

One, is it too difficult for giving the Magic just a little teeny weeny props for their defense? Courtney Lee has pretty much put the clamps on House. Even though Orlando may be soft, you have to give him a LITTLE credit. And J.J. isn’t doing too bad on Allen either. Granted, Allen is struggling, but J.J. has been with him on most of his shots.

Two, I know that Allen and Pierce has struggled tonight, and Allen has been struggling the whole series. But let’s be a little fair. I’ve watched the Magic all year, and Hedo has been struggling equally as bad as Ray. Lewis has been too, except for the last few games.

I know how bad it is to lose when you should have won. Believe me. But try at least to give the other team just a little credit.

Orlando didn’t win almost 60 games this season by being what a lot of you have called “mediocre”.

We’ll see you all on Sunday.

P.S. I don’t care for the guy, but Rondo played out of his mind tonight, save for a few really bad decisions, and I love me some PP, but dude flails a little too much IMHO.

by darylglen on May 15, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magic are a great team

They have good guys and are good players. I respect them as a team. No overdone media hype. They are who they are and they have a lot of quality players.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I commend you on the stream of consciousness there, but it didn’t really do anything to refute my point that the officials were horribly biased on the Magic’s favor tonight — far more-so than in any other game during this series for either team. Yet, you’re still complaining that the Celtics weren’t whistled for more fouls? I think the free throw and foul discrepancy as is would be more than enough to prevent even a peep about the officials from a Magic fan tonight.

How many travels did Howard get away with tonight? How many absolute clubbings did he put on Perk and Pierce tonight? How many times did literally throw, or knock, two or three Celtics to the floor during one possession without a whistle?

Fact of the matter is, the fouls were ridiculously in favor of the Magic tonight. And any longtime observer knows that Game 6’s with Bavetta generally mean some horrible outcome for one side that forces a Game 6.

Despite all of that, the Celtics were still in this game. They couldn’t step up, though. The Magic found a way and credit to them. I just don’t like knowing how playoff games will unfold, before they even start, based on who is officiating.

by a tommy point on May 15, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

officiating is always garbage.

Always. Officiating in NBA is the worst ever. They always cheat for certain teams at certain teams. I’ve accepted that. The Celtics get it the worst, always have, no other team in sports history comes close. I respect Orlando Magic though and they definetly aren’t a team that gets calls on a regular basis. NBA doesn’t respect the Magic either. So I am happy that two good teams with good guys are playing each other. Having said that, Perkins gets called for the tickiest tackiest fouls I’ve ever seen. He gets whistled for everything its ridiculous. Officials don’t respect Perkins and the way he plays. He should never get hit with a technical either. He makes his reaction to a ref call, the one arm throw or fist pump and that’s it. It is merely a reaction to the call and it should be allowed. He doesn’t go into a tirade or do what so many other players do. Officials should have more respect for him.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Refs were within the bounds

…of what passes for “normal” in the NBA, i.e., they were “normally bad”. In game 5, we got a few calls at the end that helped us. That’s the way it goes. We CANNOT blame the refs for this loss. The fault lies in ourselves, this time.

by DRJ1 on May 15, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

not the refs

The refs didn’t cost them the game. They were missing calls everywhere. I usually feel the C’s get the short end of the reffing stick almost every game but not last night. Both the C’s AND Orlando have legitimate complaints that they should have gotten to the line more.

Perk got away with 3 blatant defensive fouls that I can’t believe weren’t called. Plays that weren’t even questionable—>definitely fouls. BBD got a couple too. As biased as I usually find the refs against the C’s, I didn’t see it that way last night.

It’s not that the Magic took control of the game, it’s that the C’s completely fell apart. Orlando made some plays but they weren’t making a better percentage of plays down the stretch or any terrific plays, just continuing their ‘law of averages’ type of performance. Credit them for at least doing that because the C’s couldn’t even do that.

by slamtheking on May 15, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daryl... want you to know

…I like your team. They’re stand-up guys: Lewis, Lee, Hedo, Howard, etc. Ok, Alston’s a bit of a nutjob (he KISSED a ref tonight; isn’t that foul??)… but mostly, like ’em all. But they are, for now, a mediocre team, and playing that way. If you want to see really good teams, watch the Cavs or the Nuggets this year…. or the Celtics and yes, even the Lakers, last year. Those teams play(ed) on a whole different level.

by DRJ1 on May 15, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magic are still a good team.

They aren’t playing great, but they are playing good competition. Last time they played Cavs they were up 41 in the 3rd so obviously they can beat them. Nuggets have played 2 quality teams. Cavs have played nobody.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a reminder, Cavs have the worst

playoff opponents winning % of all-time after 2 rounds.520. Just a reminder Cavs had 6 tests in their past 53 games. At HOU, 2 at ORL, at BOS, 2 vs. LA. 6 blowouts. Just a reminder, Cavs were down 41 at Orlando and Bron stormed off the court not acknowledging anybody on either team. What have we been down in 3 games at ORL, 20 at most, defenitely not 41.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that kiss was amazing. Can't you T up player for that kind of thing? I would have

if I was the ref. Why encourage that kind of behavior? Tell me that’s not more of a showboat move than Perkins single fist pump.

by eastie Rich on May 15, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play Tony & Mikki

So everybody else has a few more minutes of fresh legs, better to get everybody involved. I’m not reading any posts that disagree. Its team basketball. These guys can play and spark our team. Not listening to anyone who disagrees. Look at Starbury Game 5.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starbury

#18, Here we go.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ummmm.

If you’re putting your faith in Starbury…………..well………..good luck with that.

by darylglen on May 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem

Starbury all day

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

18 million a year

ray allen
i wonder how that is amortized against points in the playoffs. pretty expensive points i would imagine.
i missed garnett’s little fingers running on his hand thing tonight, it is so charming and really represents both himself and the NBA well. when i see that i am reminded of my friends 9 year old children.

by lakersbluedevil on May 15, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

18 million a year but still NOT ENOUGH

You are simply a RETARD if you think Ray didn’t earn it. It’s not only about hitting the shots, he gets so much attention from the defense. He’s been on a slump but how come the magic still chase/grab/double team him like hell? Why so much respect?

Kobe on the other hand earns $21.2M. For what? Taking game winning shots and making SOME of them? Ray Ray is clearly more clutch and more SUCCESSFUL than kobe in that area, What else? Carrying a team? Nope, Kobe can’t! Before Gasol, he was at home tossing a coin trying to decide whether to get traded not.

Now think of that using your 9 year old brain.

by HomerJSimpson on May 15, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your Lakers look pretty good against a team with no center

Talk about lack of heart and toughness. You put 3 7-footers across the front line and you still cannot beat a team of dwarfs. What a sad state of affairs in Laker land.

by vinnie on May 15, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you can tell by the look on Kobe's face he thinking "man, all my teammates suc*, I can't

believe I’m stuck with these bunch of losers. If they were half as good as me we would have won already."

by eastie Rich on May 15, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK so Ray and PP are 0-10 from three, and we have almost 2x as many fouls as orlando

and there is a LOT of analysis of what happened??? Seriously? Did anyone watch the same game I did??

We have a point guard who got 16 rebounds and no one mentions that either. And he is the only reason we didn’t lose by 25-40.

by wahz on May 15, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PP & Ray are a little tired

That is why Doc should go with some bench, even Billy W for 5 minutes wouldn’t hurt. He’s only 1 player on the court, he’s not going to lose the game for us in 5 minutes. Plus he might make an exciting dunk or great play. Even Pruitt deserves a couple of minutes. The thing is when you play your starters so many 40+ minutes they are going to make plays and look like Mikki, or Billy W out there anyway. To think Ray and Paul make Ray and Paul plays in all of there 40 minutes is ridiculous. That is why Doc should play bench more. I’m not going to read any posts disagreeing with me. We have 2 players wearing suits, KG & Powe, and another four Tony,Mikki,Gabe & Walker not playing. Game 5 should have shown something to Doc and maybe it will for Game 7. But having those 4 guys get 0 minutes makes me nautious honestly. Again not reading any posts who do no like our bench players. Walker should have gotten 5 minutes tonight, Mikki 7, and Tony 6. Again, we are not looking for Michael Jordan here. We are looking for one guy to get a couple of minutes in one game. Its not going to be a game breaking decision either way. All it is going to do is keep Ray, Paul, BBD, Perk & Rondo more fresh. That is why we had a huge scoring drought end of game. We also had it in Game 5 until Star exploded. Play the bench.

by star18 on May 15, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

“not going to read any posts disagreeing with me.”
So any discussion is out of the question? You’re just going to tell everyone what to think with no debate?
Hmm, think I’ll follow your example and just skip your posts since I don’t need to be told what to think. I’d rather read posts by people who offer thoughts/opinions for discussion.

by slamtheking on May 15, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

again

Tony’s, Bill’s, Mikki’s, or Gabe’s first 5 minutes will be better than Ray’s or Pauls 42 through 47th. Not saying Bill Walker is better than Paul Pierce. However a fresh Mikki or Tony could be better than a tired Ray for 5 minutes. That’s all. Not listening to anyone who disagrees because when you talk about playing Mikki or Gabe, some of you act like they are the only players on the court when they are in. That is wrong. Gabe plays with Rondo,Paul,Perk,BBD. Mikki plays with Perk,BBD,Paul,Rondo. Tony plays with Eddie,Paul,BBD,Perk. Bill plays with Ray,Paul,Rondo,Perk. Do you get it yet?

by star18 on May 15, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Game is Sunday Night - That's Huge

the team gets two days off

they haven’t had that since the middle of the Bulls series

for the C’s, that’s huge

I expect we will see a team with a lot more energy on Sunday

they have a very good chance of winning big

by KJR on May 15, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ihave no doubt the Celtics will win and move on

Even if the game were on Saturday. Nice the league gave the Celts the night timeslot…

by nba is the worst on May 15, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the celtics had so many freaking oppurtunities to push a 10 pt lead to 15-20 and just refused to do it by playing stupid basketball. they would play good until they got up 10, and then stop doing what got them there (what the heck, magic syndrome) and the magic would cut it to 1, then the celtics would go back up 9, and the magic kept getting on the verge of folding up for the season…but the celtics couldnt put foot to throat, it was quite sad really, and maybe even a little cute that they acted like they were gonna come out and win that game, or acted like they know how to win game 6s on the road (chicago up 8, 3 minutes to go, end up losing in 3 ots. yeah you have noone to blame for being tired but your inconsistent selves!!!!!!!)

by ohc on May 15, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lakers lose at least-go denver!!

queen james and crew just a rested up as rested can be…
yikes-

by CELTICZ4LIFE on May 15, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It has been quite a while since

Rondo, PP and Ray Allen all have a decent performance in a game at the same time. It has been just one or atmost two of them playing well at the same time. Last year, everything was so well and evenly distributed. If things don’t change for the better quickly, the home court in game 7 may not be enough.

We absolutely need Ray Allen to get out of the slump now and jump right into a zone.

by 33-32-00 on May 15, 2009 3:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating game

The Celtics had it in hand, I thought that Ray’s three in the last minutes was going to kill Orlando, but unfortunately it didn’t fall. It happens, he had hit this three on the previous game.

Give credit to Orlando fot not choking in the last minutes of a close game, but the Celtics turnovers really made me mad.

Another game 7… I hope that Boston will prevail.

by Drucci on May 15, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

love Ray but...

this is 2 years in a row where he has had a major slump in the playoffs. he’s shooting about 11% on 3’s in this series and he’s turning the ball over way too much. He’s screwed up numerous fast breaks and he doesn’t contribute much in terms of rebounds or steals. frankly he’s looking old. Without him we don’t beat the bulls and I certainly hope he bounces back in game 7 but there is no way to sugercoat his putrid performance thus far. If his slump continues in game 7 Doc hs to play eddie and/or tony. he needs to do something to mix it up

by Red2 on May 15, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

magic are not a great team

let’s make something clear; we lost the game- the Magic didn’t win it. we gave them opportunity after opportunity to get back in the game and they fnally took advantage of it. lots of people think rondo was great but I thought he made too many turnovers and bad decisions down the stretch and at key points of the game. he’s still not there in terms of maturity

by Red2 on May 15, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, fair enough, but with all due respect Boston didn´t win games 4 or 5, the Magic gave those away.

Like I said somewhere else, the Magic allowed Boston to steal 2 games from them, it was about time they stole 1 from Boston.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.

by North of the South on May 15, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There truly is no such thing as momentum with the Celtics. I look forward to these games so much and yet they are painful to watch, even when they win since blowouts are so rare. Everyone here has touched on the reasons for last night’s loss and there were many.

1. Can’t commit 22 turnovers on the road when the other team is playing hard to avoid elimination.

2. Reddick got too many open looks last night. Doesn’t Ray guard him? If Reddick hits some of those shots ( I believe he missed them all) then the final score is a double digit loss. I am concerned about him going off in Game 7.

3. Speaking of Ray, do we continue to trust in him Sunday night or should we see more of Eddie House? Quite honestly, I wanted Eddie in the game those last few minutes over Ray. Ray did not just miss shots, he missed a lot of them by a mile. We are not getting it from him either offensively or defensively, and he is turning the ball over way too much. If he comes out hitting his shots Sunday night, then the signs are there for a good night. But if we get more of the same, I am not sure we can have faith in the “let him shoot because his shot will eventually fall” school of thought. This is Game 7 and you have to go with who is playing well at the time or else we stay home.

4. Paul Pierce’s missed free throws would have given us a one point lead and some momentum. Instead he misses both, the Magic score on the other end and they go on their run to seal the game.

5. One of the poster’s here was right about Moore. He is killing us and he is not even playing. He is killing us because he is not playing. He is taking up space but I thought last night that he should have gone in late in the second quarter to rest our bigs and prevent further foul trouble. It would be nice to have another reliable big body to throw on Howard, and the Powe injury looms almost as large as KG’s injury does.

6. Rondo played well tonight and even hit a couple of threes. He and Perk were really the lone bright spots for us last night. But we do not want him shooting the 3 in the closing minutes trailing in a big game. His 3 pointer near the end did not even touch the rim and was, for me, the final nail on our coffin.

7. Doubt that Turk will have another bad shooting night for the Magic. If he is on Sunday night, then we are in trouble and will have to find someone to match his scoring output since you know Rashard and Howard will get theirs. And we cannot continue to let Pietrus play like MJ against us.

I am glad the game is not until Sunday night because I need the entire weekend to decompress from Game 6. Obvious that getting the second seed was crucial. I still believe that we will take the Magic Sunday since we are playing in Beantown. But it will be a wild one for sure.

by JPV on May 15, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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