A Very Interesting Offseason
Checking in from the beach on a friend's computer, I'm just as happy having an excuse not to blog about last night's game. To me the bottom line is that the were who we thought they were without Garnett. Good enough to win the first round (though barely) and a tough out in the 2nd round. I would have liked to have seen us knock the Cavs down a peg, but I'm actually happy we didn't have to see Garnett limp out onto the court for a valiant but useless attempt to save the season.
Anyway, today is the first day of our next drive for a banner so I'm already ready to start looking forward again. I really believe this will be one of the most interesting offseasons (league wide) in recent memory. Between the economy and the looming 2010 free agent class, we should see a good number of sellers on the market and I tend to think that the Celtics will be buyers.
Can Danny Ainge upgrade the roster without killing our cap situation for years to come? Will KG finally get that surgery done and get a clean bill of health moving forward?
The silver lining of this season was the development of Big Baby and the Leap that Rondo took. Both should be rewarded hansomely for their efforts this offseason (Baby with a new contract and Rondo with an extension).
There will be a long, heated debate on these pages about trading Ray Allen or holding onto him for the long haul.
Tom Thibodeau's name will come up in more head coaching openings. Ainge has already said he's free to interview where he wants. I would wish him well anywhere he goes, but here's hoping he gets overlooked for at least one more year.
After the jump I have some more important dates and notes on the offseason coming up.
I found this article by Eric Pincus to be useful, if only to highlight important dates and map out some cap projections.
Key Dates:
May 19 - Draft Lottery - Obviously the C's won't be in the lottery, but teams with lottery picks are going to know more about where they stand after this date. As the article states: "With teams looking for cap space in 2010, it may be easier than ever for teams to buy into the lottery."
June 25 - NBA Draft - Again, the Celtics have no first round pick as a result of the Garnett deal, but there's no reason to believe that Ainge won't buy his way into the draft at some point if he sees someone he likes.
Summer League - The summer leagues start right after the draft and the Celtics will once again be part of the action. We'll see Billy Walker, JR Giddens, and Gabe Pruitt invovled, as well as any other young players we pick up through the draft.
July 1 - Moratorium on Player Movement - Teams can negotiate but not offer contracts to free agents.
July 8 - Cap designated and Free Agency Begins - Salary Cap, Luxury Tax, and Mid Level Exception, etc. are computed and free agents are free to sign.
Recent projections have the cap dropping slightly from $58.68 million to $57.3 million. If the tax threshold drops a corresponding 2%, it would fall from $71.15 million to $69.73 million.
I'm guessing that we've seen the last of Mikki Moore, unless there really is nothing else out there (the thinking could be that with a full training camp in our system that he could learn the defense better - but I'm skeptical at best). I wouldn't be surprised to see the Marbury experiment come to an end. Everyone is pulling for Leon Powe to get a contract and roster spot.
I'll be curious to see if Tony Allen sticks around or is traded (or even possibly released). His on court performance hasn't lived up to previous expectations and his off court distractions aren't helping anything. One would think that Eddie House would stick around, but he does have the option of using a player option to become a free agent.
We'll be following all the rumors and breaking news all offseason long right here on CelticsBlog.com.
Thanks everyone for a great season on the blog. The drive for Banner 18 starts (again) today.
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As Good as Who Thought We Were?
There is no doubt that many of us didn’t think much of the Celtics chances without KG. But didn’t this very blog predict the Celtics to win in 6? If so, then we were actually not as good as we thought we’d be.
by Black Jack Pershing on May 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Upcoming Free Agents
There are many restricted free agents in 2009. But the unrestricted free agents that can possibly help us if we are able to clear cap space is:
Zaza Pachulia
Mike Bibby
Juwan Howard
Ben Gordon
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Devan George
Chris Anderson
Anthony Carter
Rasheed Wallace
Kwame Brown
Allen Iverson
Jamal Crawford
Ron Artest
Marquis Daniels
Jamall Magloire
Jermaine O’Neal
Just to name a few. The list is much longer. So if Danny can play his cards right and maneuver some cap space and bring a couple of players in, we should be in good shape.
As upset as I was after the Orlando Series, I’m coming back down to earth and we need to focus on our needs to build strength
by Ancient Red on May 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much all of those guys are going to want more money then the celtics can give
by ohc on May 18, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this year. There won’t be more than a handful of players who command more than the MLE; the economy still sucks, teams are losing money, and everyone’s gearing up for 2010. The only guy I see getting more than the MLE on this list is MAYBE Ben Gordon, and I bet even he ends up pretty disappointed.
With that said, I was a big proponent of going after ‘Sheed for the MLE, but now I’m not so sure… we really need to be getting younger, not older.
by theBird on May 18, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are there any...
“Michael pietrus” players out there? goodness could we use his game coming off the bench…
by WillyBeamin on May 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marquis Daniels fits the bill . He’s a scorer off of the bench. He’s a SF who could sub for PP, and even give Ray a rest if needed.
by JAM on May 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis indeed. . .
We should definitely go after Mr. Daniels. He’s versatile enough to guard 2’s and 3’s, and he was even the back up point guard behind Nash in Dallas. We really don’t need him as our back up point guard, but it speaks to his versatility. I think he’d be an excellent fit.
by MetroGlobe on May 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not as good a 3-pt shooter as I'd like...
but yes, his versatility and toughness on the defensive end would be a great plus..
someone mentioned getting a tony allen who actually players like tony allen should. I think marquis is almost exactly this kind of player. more a slasher than a shooter, plays tough-nosed defense.
probably wouldn’t demand big time money either, has younger legs. I like it.
by WillyBeamin on May 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The list I would like to see
Is the list of players who are projected to be possibly available for the minimum salary.
by LooseCannon on May 18, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List of "free agents that can possibly help us" ...
… and you put A.I. in it !!? The guy just want to be a starter. A Rondo/A.I. backcourt is too much undersized.
by 33-32-00 on May 19, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As good a time as any
Thanks Jeff for this info for future reference going forward next season…also thanks for all the informative articles you brought us this past season.Keep up the great work.
by house_call on May 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C's need athelticism
Fortunately (perhaps) both Giddens and Walker (if they have the talent to contribute) are the exact positions/athletic ability that the C’s need. But, not sure, based on their minimal PT this year, that they do have the skills to contribute.
by libermaniac on May 18, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I certainly hope that they don’t just count on KG’s return being enough. Even at full strength, it would have been a helluva battle against Cleveland, so status quo is NOT sufficient. And, I think we saw that more-athletic teams were giving us fits. How many times was the rotation not there in time against Orlando? Was that guys being out of position, was that guys not exerting themselves without KG on the floor, or is it just the simple fact that Pierce and Jesus, while still helluva good ballplayers, are starting to lose a bit of their athleticism? Pierce looked slow throughout the playoffs; I know he was exhausted, and I bet he’s hurting, but there were games when he almost looked more like a PF than a wing.
He needs some help – some younger, talented legs to help take some of the pressure off on the defensive side. You’d hope that Billy Walker could help out next year, we know it’s not going to be Tony Allen, but I really hope they aren’t afraid to spend a little money if it brings in someone who can really help and has a few more miles left.
by theBird on May 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
giddens and walker will be evaluated in the summer league. we know enough about the rest. i hope we keep powe, for sure. the pre-talk was on rasheed who would be serviceable, but only on a short leash contract. pruitt is our other question mark and the good news about him is he’s cheap.
by nazzbo on May 18, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Giddens, and walker were bad picks…getting rid of posey we needed a rookie to have an impact similar to the one courtney lee has had in orlando.
JR Giddens is as old as lebron, older then dwight howard…and is a d leaguer
by ohc on May 18, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit, despite being a University of New Mexico fan and loving Giddens and thinking he’d be a steal in the NBA, you are probably right about Giddens. If a rookie is good enough, he can make a difference – especially in a depleted team that needs athleticism. His being left off the active roster all season shows he just doesn’t have it. To me, it’s a bit perplexing given his great all around skills – which he displayed nicely in the D-league. I guess he’s just not the sharpest tool in the shed. Hope I’m jumping the gun on him … fear I’m not.
by libermaniac on May 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s telling that you had Billy Walker and Giddens basically fighting for the same scraps of PT, and while Walker got a little bit of burn, Giddens got nothing but splinters. Now, I don’t think Walker’s necessarily the second coming, but they both project out as athletic, backup wings and one is clearly ahead of the other on the depth chart. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Giddens as a trade throw-in to clear some roster space.
by theBird on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how
you can write off those two already… especially sky walker.
by WillyBeamin on May 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like Zaza
and Perk could use a backup with size.
I’d also like to see Ilgauskas somewhere other than Cleveland.
by clover on May 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on zaza
I like his play, and as a teamate I think he brings everything this team is about.
plays with hustle/heart
physical
accepts backup role
defends his teamates.
by WillyBeamin on May 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Z
I actually think he holds back CLE, as talented as he is, the faster CLE plays the better and he slows them down.
by Brendan on May 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not all about FA's
Especially with our payroll, the only way to get better will be via shrewed trades. Not suggesting any, but to look only to the FA market would be a Brian Cashman type move … we need Theo Epstein moves this offseason!
by libermaniac on May 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta figure that if you want to make noise, Ray Allen’s contract is one of the best available out there. Denver was able to get Chauncey Billups for AI’s expiring contract. RayRay can still play AND expires going into next summer; I don’t know if Danny will be making any calls, but I bet he receives a few.
by theBird on May 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much difference a few days. make. I did a fanpost last week about making Ray Allen the sixth man and was vilified by several folks on this board. Now may on the blog are calling to trade Allen! That is not the answer to the C’s problems. If fact, there is not much tinkering to do with this lineup. We have to play Walker and Giddens more. The Magic were not afraid to play Courtney Lee, a rookie, this year, nor were the Rockets reluctant to play Aaron Brooks. I love Scal but this is a business, he is coming off three concussions and is a liability on defense. Love his heart but we need a more talented back up. Resign Steph and BBD. Resign Powe and hope his rehab goes well. Get KG healthy. Dump Tony Allen and get a quality big and a quality back up center. But keep the core of 7-8 guys together. Not much wrong with this team. Injuries killed us. Plain and simple. We have another title run in us folks.
by JPV on May 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Salary Cap = $57.3 million
Luxury Tax = $70.1 million
Projected for next season.
by busterjonez on May 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless we get back a young future all star, I wouldn’t even entertain the thought of trading Ray Allen.
Some of you guys are way to quick to push the panic button /
by Marqui on May 18, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
With KG, we still have the best starting lineup in the league. Hopefully he recover’s well from his surgery.
After that; my opinion is we should keep the following core bench players:
Baby Davis
Eddie House
Scalabrine
Leon Powe
Everyone else is very replaceable/upgradeable. Just like last off season, our biggest holes are at the 3 and the 5 (with length) off the bench. Hopefully Danny doesn’t wait for the scraps of the waiver wire to shore up our weaknesses again this year.
Guess I should take this moment to give a nod to [b]Coach Bo[/b], whom I told early in the year I’d call out if we won it all without Posey. Turn’s out the Coach was right, I was wrong. Nice call, Coach.
Also, I gotta give a nod to [b]cordobes[/b] who told me that Mikki Moore was useless and I didn’t believe him. Turns out I wiffed on that one too.
Oh well, ya can’t win em all. It’s been a very entertaining year none the less and despite all the things we will have to complain about this offseason, lets not forget that we are fortunate to have another long playoff run to look forward to again next year.
Thanks to Jeff, Roy, FLCeltsfan and everyone else here at CB for making this season all the more enjoyable.
by D Dub on May 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we need is the player that Tony Allen is SUPPOSED to be, but never will. We need a scrappy, athletic, defensive-minded backup wing, ideally someone with some length, who can help neutralize the Mo Williams and Ben Gordons of the world, take some pressure off of PP on the defensive end. Who that is, I don’t know. A younger version of Pose.
As to Ray Allen, I’m not advocating that we seek out a trade, but that we don’t hang up when the calls come in. Best-case, the current “best in league” lineup has probably one year left to make a run. Add KG back, are we good enough to get by Cleveland? I’m not so sure about that.
What concerns me more than anything is how poorly we played defense on the perimeter for most of the playoffs. I know having KG in the middle would help, but it sure seemed like the guard play on D was not nearly to the level it was the previous season. Too many open shots that we never would have allowed before; that’s not just being missing KG. Lots of miles on the key wing players, lots and lots and lots of miles….
by theBird on May 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if Semih Erden is still considering coming to the Celtics.
Erden’s a 7 footer with leaping ability, and couldn’t possibly prove to be less valuable than Mikki Moore. (I don’t figure the Celtics could possibly afford Zydrunas Ilgauskas.)
by no kidding on May 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the C’s can afford a roster spot on any project big men if they intend to keep Scal and Powe as the fifth and sixth (while Powe recovers) big men in the rotation.
by Who on May 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we will see ben pepper before semih erden
by shiggins on May 18, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good line, but didn’t you or someone else used it once before? Still, recycling’s supposed to be good.
by no kidding on May 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is available, I still like the "Birdman"
He could’ve helped this year!
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/5/3/863784/in-hindsight-someone-we-couldve
by Dchuck on May 18, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free agency n next season
I’m still confident on my starting five with:
C- Perkins
PF-Garnett
SF-Pierce
SG-R.Allen
PG-Rondo
I would love to have on the bench:
PG-Marbury, SG-House, SF-Posey: trade Scal n T.Allen for him or somebody who can play defense n score some buckets, PF-Big Baby Davis, C-Rasheed Wallace or Chris Andersen,
Pruitt n Walker are not going anywhere since their contract are guarantee. Still keep Powe at the last roster spot since he wont be playing soon n for past service due.
by priapus81 on May 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sold on the House/Marbury backcourt. Our backcourt is very weak defensively with that tandem. Sure, Steff did a decent job containing his man, but the two never get steals and can be beaten easily with the extra pass and late rotation.
As for Posey… sigh… I think that ship has sailed. Dude is like 34 and has 3 more years on his bloated deal and pretty much was a non-factor on a NO team that under-achieved all year. He was suppose to push them over the top this year, didn’t happen.
We need a more explosive player like Dhantay Jones or Mickeal Peitras to backup the wing slot, IMO.
Denver really nabbed the two players this past offseason that we needed most. Dhantay Jones and Chris Anderson.
by D Dub on May 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posey’s birthday: 1/13/1977.
32.
And if NO would take Tony Allen, Scal and some cash to buy Scal out, I’d jump at the dump.
by CoachBo on May 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you gotta take that deal if it’s available.
doesn’t change the fact that Posey was a complete non-factor this year in NO and his skills (paticularly on defense) have declined significantly.
I’d rather keep Scal if he wasn’t one shot to the head away from ending his career.
by D Dub on May 18, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which do you like better?
A House/Marbury backcourt, or a House/TA backcourt? House/Marbury obviously has flaws, but you’re not analyzing it in a vacuum. If you can get Marbury cheap enough, then you can still look for a decent back-up SF who might also get in some SG minutes based on match-ups.
by LooseCannon on May 18, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, the old rock or the hard place question, eh?
honestly I don’t like either combo. I think we need to find minutes for Eddie House, the guy is such a clutch shooter. I really like when he plays pg with the first unit, its a great change of pace look. I really thought Marbury would eventually be able to spread the floor as well, but it turned out his offensive skills are gone and he is afraid to shoot.
I was a TA fan for a long time, but no longer. Too many mistakes at critical junctions, and his offense is past the point of developing. At this point, he is what he is and can’t really help us get better.
I’d much prefer a House/Dhantay Jones backcourt off the bench. And I’m still not ready to give up on Walker. He could very well develop into a very solid 2/3 off the bench for us. Probably wishful thinking though…
by D Dub on May 18, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right D.dub about Posey. The way i see it. i think at small forward, Danny should go after Matt Barns in Phoenix, he is a free agent and definitely Chris Andersen from Denver for backup center. The way ic it now they should ship out the whole bench expect for Big baby if hes willing to play for a minimum which is not likely.
by priapus81 on May 18, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
paculia wold be a great addition. we also need scoring off the bench. hopefully tony allen is gone along with moore. I’m on the fence about marbury but I’d say that you either go with pruitt or marbury but not both. I know we fought hard but I’m very disappointed in how this ended. Game 6 was there for the taking and we gave it to them. the fatigue that hit us in the 4th qtr of game 6 carried over to game 7. ray’s slump cost us this series. I love ray but he and paul never had good games at the same time. AND Doc was outcoached in this series
by Red2 on May 18, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to say
Thanks to Jeff and all the other Celticsblogger for the excellent coverage and analysis this year. It has been a real pleasure following the C’s through you guys. Keep up the good work!
by UGotRondo'd on May 18, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
happy
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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on May 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Celtics of 09!!
62-20 is a good team and they did a good portion of that without Garnett, I think if they had Powe healthy it would of been a big difference in this orlando series, But that wasnt the case So we all Ponder the Question what if? I do believe ray allen gets traded for who im not sure, they have to make room for Glen Davis contract, Rondo’s contract and Powe’s contract is up 2? and those are 3 young guys the celtics are willing to keep, I also hope they keep Eddie House around the guy brings so much energy from off the bench, i think we also need a back up 2 our SF and SG postions…none the less it will be a very interesting off season!!!! Cavs Vs. Nuggets….Cavs in 5
by bigcarba on May 18, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doc certainly doesn't play young guys
before they’re ready. And I’m not ready to write Walker especially, but even Giddens and Pruitt off. I think Doc got spoiled with the vets last year and rode them too far this year.
But if the C’s can develop wing players from their late-pick drafting, which they should be able to do and Walker and Giddens should be the guys, they can focus their big money and trading upgrades on extending Rondo and bringing in more front-court size that can play.
I think Danny needs to manage his roster like Belichick manages his cap: some positions can be drafted late and developed cheaply—while you just can’t do that with the big guys in the front.
So as long as the C’s hope to be drafting late, they’ve gotta think like draft-master Bill.
by clover on May 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as much as we all love powe
I just dont think bringing back a multiple knee surgery undersized PF who wouldn’t be “ready” until February is a wise decision
by WillyBeamin on May 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Powe will be back
If there is such a thing as a mercy signing, this would be it. The guy knows the system, he is well admired within the organization, he was playing great right before the injury, and they can sign him for very little.
by B-ball on May 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celtics 2010
We normally have 4 thru 7 player changes in a year for the 15 spots. I think the core team will stay together for one more try and then changes will come.
by CelticsWin on May 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray is gone
Someone will take that contract or get ready for that big free agency class! The current team has to change….the bench? What bench?
by richardlight on May 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray is not gone
There will be offers, but they won’t equal his worth. I would argue that Ray had an amazing year, and I look for the same next year. Everyone talks about a team wanting his contract for the big free agency class. Here’s a team that might want that contract for the same reason: the Boston Celtics.
by B-ball on May 18, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we cant get rid of ray allen he is the best shooter.why should we get rid of him??
by mikek301 on May 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Raef available? Might be able to get him into a long term contract now for, say, 10 million a year?
by Raef on May 18, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Hope Doc has learned a lesson this yr.
Play the young guys early in the season..I know Walker and Giddens are rookies but why is doc so afraid of playing rookies when guys like Chalmers, Courtney lee, Aaron Brooks were able to crack the rotation and even started by the time the season rolled to its final 25 games.
We on the otherhand burned our rookies on the bench and would go back and forth to the Dleague….I know its difficult for them to get PT specially with the line up we have to start the season but Im pretty sure they were drafted by Danny coz they got talent….Time is NOW to harness what we got in these two.
PP is sloooooow now and watchin him in the playoffs get burned by even the slow footed Hedo Turkuglue is even more painful to watch….I love PP and he should retire as a Celtic, I have no Idea If Walker is the player he would pass the torch to but I am certainly not giving up on this 20 y/o kid whose athleticism alone merits atleast a10-15 min PT spellin PP off the bench this comin season.
Id also would not hesitate to trade RA if there is an offer very difficult to refuse…I love RAy but he is also gettin up there in milage and he is basically our main assassin in our startin line up, but his shot completely dissappeared in 6 games against the Magic. He is making waaay too much money to dissappear in important games specially playoff games.
DA should let Scal, TA Mikki go…develop the kids we have and reload the bench with players that have length and are atleast useful like Sheed/ Mcdyess/ heck even Gortat played ok backin up D Howard.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
by bopna on May 19, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pierce has got to lose 20 pounds
this summer, end up playing a good 15 pounds lighter next year, I think, to counteract that slowness at least a little bit. What he could get away with in bulk the last few years isn’t going to be very helpful for the later stages of his career.
by clover on May 19, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheed
Would be a great pick up if he signed cheap. Coming off as a 6 or 7 man would be ideal. He can hit big shots, play great defense, and his bball IQ is very high.
"I don't hate anyone, at least not for more than 48 minutes, barring overtime."
-Sir Charles Barkley
by Major-Tom on May 19, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But, like A.I., this guy only wants to start
by 33-32-00 on May 19, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Where Sheed has been a champion before, he must want to get back to that. Playing on a team like the Celtics is a big attraction for someone on their way out. Like the Patriots, they are becoming a business model for the NBA.
"I don't hate anyone, at least not for more than 48 minutes, barring overtime."
-Sir Charles Barkley
by Major-Tom on May 20, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
next moves
The realistic view of the team as it stands is that the starting 5, when healthy, are contenders. It the bench that will put them over the top. This year, between injuries (Powe, TA, Scal), poor play from expected contributors (TA, Moore, Marbury) and lack of development of young players (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB), the bench was the weak spot.
Sure Scal and BBD did admirably filling in for KG when he was out but that’s still a significant dropoff in talent.
Barring a miraculous offseason by Danny, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for him to do the following:
- Move TA and Scal expiring deals for a legitimate swingman off the bench that can score and defend. If this requires picking up Pruitt’s option or tossing in House (after he picks up the option—>would be a bit underhanded since I’m sure House would only pick up his option if he thought he was staying) to get that player. If Pruitt’s not needed in the deal, don’t pick up the option. If House isn’t needed in the deal, all the better.
- Dump Mikki.
- If Marbury will take the vet minimum for next year, sign him. A full training camp should get him back on track offensively. His defense noticeably improved during the year.
- Focus on a back up 5 (preferably a player that can back up the 4 too) like Sheed for the MLE (or part of it for a lesser player).
- Resign BBD if the $ is right. Good player to have off the bench.
- Resign Powe for the min. He’d be the 5th big man off the bench end of next season. He’s affordable, knows the system and can finish around the rim—>would have finished many of the shots BBD missed around the rim in the playoffs.
- Keep Walker and Giddens for development. PT would still be tough because they’d still potentially be behind House, Marbury and a Vet Wing (TA/Scal trade)
Lineup: Perk, KG, PP, Ray, Rondo
Bench (projected): Sheed (fingers crossed), BBD, Powe, Marbury, Giddens, Walker, House, Vet Wing (for TA/Scal/Pruitt), 2nd round pick (or if Danny trades/buys a higher pick the 2nd rounder could be another Euro stashed overseas like Erden). This leaves 1 spot for any waiver wire filler.
That’s a much better balanced bench that would be fully capable of a title. Of course it depends on moving TA and Scall and getting someone better to replace them as well as getting a player of Sheed’s caliber to back up the 4/5 spots.
by slamtheking on May 19, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep the starting 5
In a perfect world, keep House and BBD. find a way to add Marquis Daniels and Chris Anderson. Marquis will play D, score a little and sub for PP or Ray as needed. Chris Anderson is a MONSTER on D and exactly the kind of big man we need off the bench.
I agree to at least two points above in particular:
1) Steph just may do a lot better with a full training camp. Esp. if he keeps working on his D, but he should at least rediscover his offensive game. Don’t forget, he sat for about a year and that’s hard to underestimate. In fact, it would be highly unrealistic to expect he was in top form or that that’s all he’s got left without at least giving him a training camp to get it back. Besides, I doubt teams are lining up for him so we could probably get him cheap.
2) Ray should stay. He stretches the floor and IS the assassin on this team as far as shooting goes. His disapearing act for long stretches in the playoffs is worrisome, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. And you tell me how we replace what he brings to this team. And the same thing that makes him attractive to trade (expiring contract and at least a couple more good seasons), makes him attractive to keep. Why not us be the ones with that RayRay cap space?
I’m not projecting too much with the rest of the bench/young guys because Itheirs too many turning gears as far as contracts and trades to work out to get Daniels and Anderson, but that core 5, House and BBD and whatever else we figure out will give us a damn good starting 5 and the key guys we need off the bench to make a VERY serious run next year, AND it won’t kill us for the years to come as we’ll be in good position when Ray’s contract is up.
by Ritzybeanboy on May 19, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t think there needs to be drastic changes to the team core if they won 62 games. They ran out of gas in the playoffs because of their lack of depth resulting from the injuries and the lack of bench use during the regular season. In the Playoffs, they were rotating just 3 bigs for 2 positions and all were pretty much undersized and limited. Everyone had to pick up their game and they did, but after the grueling Chicago series, they were exhausted and couldn’t close out the games (especially game 6) with Orlando.
I think they have enough for one more run at it. They just need to add a reliable big and a wing player to give Pierce a breather. I think they should keep Marbury to back up Rondo and all indications are that he wants to come back. With training camp and starting the season with the team, he should be more than fine. They also need to develop the players they drafted. Pruitt, Walker and Giddens should start to develop or be let go. A bench with BBD, Marbury, House, a reliable big man (Sheed, McDyess, Joe Smith…), A reliable wing (Hill, Barnes) ,Scal and either Pruitt/Walker/Giddens should give the starters plenty of rest during the regular season, unlike this year.
Like a few of you have mentioned, why trade Ray Allen unless it is a deal we can’t refuse. After next year, we’ll have his expiring contract so why give that away along with a great player? He was arguable the most consistent player during the regular season. He was great this year and a total professional. Orlando had to gear their team to shut him down and if we had KG, it would not have happened. If we had another reliable offensive threat, they could not have guarded Ray like that and got away with it. They could leave Rondo open at times and didn’t worry as much about Perk or BBD offensively. Rondo better practice shooting all summer.
by klc on May 19, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
























