Priority: Big Man
Steve Bulpett looks at the Celtics potential off-season plans, and there's no surprise what Danny's priority is:
[Danny] Ainge was fairly blunt when asked about his priorities this offseason.
“Well, we definitely need to improve our frontline,” he said.
No date has been set for Kevin Garnett’s right knee surgery, but the Celtics have every expectation that the forward will return to form next season. But with forward Leon Powe (torn ACL) out until at least the All-Star break -- and that’s even if they bring the restricted free agent back -- the Celts clearly will need to add tall people.
Look for them to check out point guards and wing defenders, as well.
“There are a lot of things I’m going to explore this summer,” Ainge said. “But a lot of things are based on timing and who might be available at the right time.
“Right now we’re taking a big look at the draft to see what might be there for us. We’re checking to see if there are any players we might want to trade up for.” . . .
“Overall we’ve just got to get better,” Ainge said. “We want to keep the nucleus together and see what we can do to improve our team.”
It's hard to disagree with the priority being the front line. Even though our bigs played with heart, it's difficult when your most talented bigs off the bench are no taller than 6'8" (and no, Mikki doesn't count as "talented").
Here's a partial list of some of the free agent big men who will be available:
Chris Andersen, Brandon Bass, Carlos Boozer, Drew Gooden, Marcin Gortat (Restricted), Shawn Marion, Antonio McDyess, Rasho Nesterovic, Lamar Odom, Zaza Pachulia, Joe Smith, Robert Swift, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Wilcox
Obviously, some of those guys are better fits than others, and some aren't realistically obtainable (i.e., Boozer). A complete list of all free agents can be found here.
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It´s good to hear Ainge talk like that, and I completely agree.
As much as this team needs a backup wing (and I´ve been saying this for one year now), with KG and Powe injured, a good backup Center is by far our top priority.
I would love
a) Nesterovic
b) Gortat
c) McDyess
d) Pachulia
In that order.
Although I´m not a friend of the plan to fill the bench through the draft, I totally trust AInge to find the diamond in the rough.
Good stuff
“We want to keep the nucleus together”
Good sign…doesn’t look like any Ray Allen trades will be happening…but I know, I know, there are no guarantees.
To be the man, you've gotta beat the man! WOOOOOOOO!
Ditto Casperian
My order—for the exact same guys—is McDyess, Nesterovic, Gortat, Pachulia.
The one thing that concerns me in the “lets find a draft pick” theory is that Doc won’t play rookies, so anyone we draft likely won’t even see the floor in 2009-10. I’d even be concerned over Doc’s willingness to play Gortat, for that same reason.
So while I’m resigned to the inevitability of having Robert Swift added as man #12 (LOL), I’m hopeful that Danny will finally get the abckup big that we’ve needed forever.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Yeah...
Let’s hope Danny was playing lip service to the idea of a draft pick. The last thing this team needs is more guys on the bench who can’t get in games. If we make a draft pick this year, it should be for somebody who will be playing overseas.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Well, if he thinks he can get a "can´t miss" project...
like Powe, for example, he should go for it, imo.
Doc seems to be more willing to play big men rookies than guards. The weak draft and the economy seem to make it easier to trade into the first round or to buy a second rounder. Still, I´d rather see them go for experienced veteran role-players
Grant Hill
Obviously a big man is necessary but clearly this team suffered from the lack of a swing man who can defend at the 2 or 3. Grant Hill is a free agent and is looking for the elusive ring. Perhaps KG and Co. can persuade him to take a little less money and provide a much needed scoring threat off the bench.
I thought the same thing, but
yesterday Grant co-hosted MIke & Mike, and I am disappointed to relate that everything he said made it sound like he is happy in, and committed to, Phoenix. Sigh.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Hopefully, McDyess was turned off enough by the disaster that was the post-Chauncey Pistons that his loyalty towards Detroit has faded. Seems like Danny’s always tried to get Dice and come up short, maybe this is the time. If he’ll play a little center, he’d be ideal.
Reading some stuff from Detroit, no way that ‘Sheed goes back, and people are even speculating that he might hang them up – they think he is D-U-N. Wondering if that’s the perception around the league, whether he’ll even get a full-MLE offer.
Regarding the others, Gortat obviously looked pretty good against us, he is restricted but Orlando has been one of the teams that wasn’t making a lot of money. I’m assuming Batman’s still under contract; if so, it would seem that Gortat might be a bit of a luxury for them, so MAYBE he’d be obtainable.
Of the rest, maybe Rasho or Zaza at the minimum; they’re NBA players, at least, which is more that we had with Mikki. Neither really gets you excited, though, especially on the defensive end. Neither is a better option, IMHO, than BBD.
Please, no more draft picks...
Sign McDyess, Moon or Hill and keep the current roster (except for Pruitt and Moore) and our bench will be really good.
TA & delonte
these 2 guys both drafts by danny back to back…
i liked both of them but it has become clear now which of these 2 guys deserves to be playing in the nba.
the big difference in delonte’s intelligence & ta lack of.
by tommyfan on May 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's just too bad ...
that T ALlen was injured at the time of the “big” trades. Otherwise, the Celtics could have traded T ALlen instead of Delonte.
by TheGreenThumb on May 19, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Anderson?
He might be the best defensive big man of the bunch. As long as we pick up a swing man for a little bench scoring and wing defense we don’t need much from him offensively. He’ll probly be one of the cheaper of the bunch too.
Any thoughts? What am I missing, because he looks like a great fit?
Gortat may be nice because it looks like he’s smart and will be able to score a little. McDyess? How tall is he? And what does he give us that we don’t already have from BBD or Powe (when he comes back)?
I totally agree
Chris has the perfect mindset for this team. I really hope we go after him.
Big Baby?
Are we just assuming that some crappy team is going to pay him starter money and he is going to walk?
Isn’t he pretty integral to the conversation here?
How does re-signing him affect this topic? Do we then simply target a legitimate back-up Center? If he walks, do we really need two bigs? Or a Big and Scals?
Does this mean they won't re-sign Baby?
Interesting comments by Danny. Follow my logic here….Baby needs minutes to be effective. KG needs minutes because he’s KG. Perk needs minutes because he’s close to becoming an upper tier NBA starting Center if he’s not already there.
So if you agree with the above, and Danny says they need size, where does that leave Baby? He ain’t going to cut it as a 10-15 minute a game guy anymore — he won’t go for that and he’s not nearly as effective as when he gets starter minutes.
To me you go KG, Perk, Baby wiht all 3 getting major minutes and KG going to Center when Perk goes out. Scal is the fill in guy and you see what happens with Powe.
If you bring in a McDyess — Baby is gone – in my opinion, because there would be no minutes for him.
Trade Scal.
KG – 33 minutes
Perk – 33 minutes
leaves 30 minutes for two backups, which you split depending on matchups, injuries and foul trouble.
Enough minutes, imo.
He´s also an expiring contract
Scal is definitly overpaid.
And I haven`t heard Baby complain about minutes, either.
He will.....
He’s going to if he doesn’t play once he gets paid….take that to the bank.
Given his performance this year, I’d be screaming myself next year if I were him and only getting 15 minutes a game.
He’s earned starter minutes and is going to have to be treated that way if the C’s bring him back.
He plays defense?
He played hard in the playoffs, but I thought he killed early momentum several time in the playoffs by passing up wide open 3’s with the shot clock running down. Instead, we’d get no shot, a rondo rushed 3 or a 17 foot fade away from Perk.
Scal is a nice guy, but I’m ready to move on.
Scal Plays Defense
Not sure what you were watching in the Orlando series but Scal’s defense was excellent. He was in a mismatch vs. Lewis, but managed to hold his own. When asked to match up against the much quicker Turkoglu, he did that too.
Watch Mikki More be totally clueless with his defensive rotations and you can appreciate what Scal brings to the table.
He’s good as a 10th man, not so good as the 6th man which is what he was basically asked to do vs. Orlando — after not playing for 2 months due to his concussion problem.
He’s not making much, he plays defense, does whatever you tell him and as long as you don’t need him to score points, he doesn’t hurt you. Plus – as mentioned before – he’ll have an expiring contract.
He’ll be back unless they need him to balance off a trade.
KG ...
won’t be back at full force. it will take him about a month or 2 before he should/could get 30+ min.
Plus you need a 4 man rotation for the regular season.
Perk = 30
KG = 30 (18 for couple month)
BB = 18 (24 at the start)
FA = 18 (24 at the start)
This team/doc should play for the playoffs. control minutes, lose a few games, win as many as possible in the regular season and then come in healthy in the playoffs.
First, let`s clear some of the roster...
BABY : Resign him…but do NOT over-pay. With his lack of height, there will be no major bidding war for his services.
POWE : Let him go. Classy guy, but he`s short and his knees are not worth the risk at any price. We can`t afford short guys with a history of bad knees in the frontcourt.
SCAL : Let him go. He`s nothing more than a highly paid mascot.
Marbury : Don`t even think of bringing him back.
Moore : See Marbury.
T. Allen : If you can find a sucker, trade him for a low 2nd round pick.
McDyess has got to be the priority 1
His versatility at both front court positions is ideal. He can be KG’s primary backup allowing him to keep his minutes down and still has the length/toughness to play spot minutes at the 5 effectively.
This also allows us to play a re-signed Baby Davis primarily at Center where he matches up much better defensively. If KG is out, our starting lineup is a lot more solid with Dice at the 4 and Baby coming off the bench at the 5.
I’d prefer him to Rasheed, who no longer wants to play in the paint. Dice has the toughness we need down low.
I’d give Dice the MLE and look to send some expirings/youth (as Roy suggested) to Sac to bring in Nocioni (Scal,TA,GP,JrG/pick). We should still be able to re-sign Powe and Marbury to minimum deals as well.
Perk / Davis
KG / McDyess / Powe
PP / Nocioni
RA / House / Walker
Rondo / Marbury
This squad looks to me like a contender.
Obviously, I'm down with it...
I’d love to sign Grant Hill and/or Quinton Ross, too, but that may be overkill.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
37
But Hill will be 37 next season. Are we supposed to go for younger legs?
Honestly...
I don’t care so much about young. The only affordable young players are the ones who can’t play. With older guys, you’re able to get bargains. Thus, a class act like Grant Hill — who can score, pass, and lead — should be available for a near-minimum deal.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Grant Hill is a good fit
I like Hill a lot since his days in Detroit. But I don’t think we can get him with the $$ we can afford. If all he wants is something near minimum, the SUN and many others will get him before us.
Red was so good in making deals. Maybe Ainge can use some of Red’s wisdom now.
I don't know...
He could stay with the Suns because of their medical program. However, if he wants to win a title, I’ve got to assume that Boston is one of his first choices. We have a clear need at backup 3 (meaning there are available minutes), and from what I’ve heard, he’s got a good relationship with Doc. I think it could happen, if Danny goes in that direction.
In terms of salary, he’s coming off of a LLE deal. I’ve got to think that he’ll be willing to take that much or less to sign with a contender.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Two ways
If they can get BBD at the right years/$ for what they see in him, then he becomes the primary backup big. And I’d see them look for a backup Center who can accept playing 5-10 minutes and spelling Perk. They’ll be fine playing KG and BBD together, since BBD will cover the low post guy from the other team anyways (just like Perk does) and he’ll use body girth to do an okay job of it. The backup center will need to play more minutes in the event Perk is injured, and Scal will be the “in case KG is not ready guy.” In this case Powe is probably gone, which would make me sad, but that’s business.
Otherwise – I think they’ll get Powe on the cheap and look for a more skilled played in the FA pool, ideally Rasheed Wallace, if they think he’ll fit in. Scal becomes the fourth big man, until/if Powe comes back. In this case they probably need a big stiff center still in case of a Perk injury.
Wilcox?
McDyess has rebounded well since his days of multiple knee surgeries, but he’s also slightly undersized (6’9", I believe).
I’ve been living in NYC and saw some of Wilcox this past year and loved the athleticism. He just seems younger, healthier and livelier than some of the other options. .. . and a true 6’10".
Rasheed should come play for us for 1 year cheap to A) get another ring … and B) to return the favor to Danny Ainge for getting his ass to Detroit!
Zaza too … solid.
by Fred Roberts on May 19, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Big Baby
Because of his strong playoff performance it’s very possible that someone offers him a long term deal for decent money to become a starter. At that point it would make keeping him to play behind KG too expensive to justify. The Moore and Marbury projects were a failed experiment and they should be let go. Powe and Scal are absolutely worth bringing back at the right price, which is likely to happen.
I don’t know the contracts well enough to know what the C’s are working with in terms of trade chips (anyone care to chime in?) Looking at free agents I can see the following as being a priority:
- Gortat (size that is badly needed)
- Bass (energetic excellent bench weapon)
- McDyess (I’m willing to bet he stays in Detroit, may not be as valuable with a healthy KG)
- Hakim Warrick (restricted FA underrated player who could break out in Boston, maybe a gamble)
I think Moon resigns with Miami, and I have no idea how it’s possible to get someone like David Lee or Millsap. I really don’t know what to do about the backup wing issue, it may be best to try to get something in a trade if possible.
The problem with a lot of those free agents is that the teams they are with will probably want to keep most of them…
Pachulia, Odem, Joe Smith, Boozer, and Anderson are ALL likely to stay with their teams.
Pachulia is a name I keep seeing and I don’t think the Hawks will allow him to leave. He is their energy source off the bench…he comes in and plays hard and is really crucial to their success.
by NBA FAN on May 19, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
Pachulia is tough and has some meanness in him.
I wish the Celtics could sign him. He was productive until he got moved out by Horford in Atlanta. Look back at his numbers Pre-Horford and you will see he produced somewhat.,
by correcttitle on May 20, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
please lord
2 bigs, a wing that an defend and 1 PG…..
by celticinorlando on May 19, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
here is my
thoughts:
1. resign baby and house
2. let moore, marbury, powe, pruitt all hit the road….love powe but we cannot wait until midseason for him to get back in shape
3. decide of giddens and walker…they going to play/ if not get rid of them
4. try to trade scal and tony allen
5. bench to start with: baby, eddie, walker and giddens….add 2 bigs and a wing that can defend…PG too
by celticinorlando on May 19, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
Bill Walker has a chance to make this team.
he has the athleticism and hunger that make an NBA player – what remains to be seen is will he become a defensive minded player. If so, he will be on this team when ’09-10 begins. Danny, Doc and others have all said as much.
Move Up and Target Dejuan Blair
The guy is a beast, blocks shots due to his freakish long arms, and would look nice in the second unit tearing down boards and defending.
Marbury?
The guy has talent. He might have been a little too unselfish trying to fit in and that may have impeded his contribution. However, he seems talented enough to back up the PG and SG spots. I think he’s worth a gamble for 1 year at some reasonable dollars. As long as his attitude is right, he might be the guy we need in the backcourt. I’m not sure I want to give up on Marbury just yet.

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