Doc Gets It

Is Powe considered a SF? Doc said we need one now.

Looks like he is not in Doc’s plan, unless the “point guard situation” Doc referred to is ‘extending Rondo’s contract’.

…but I’m disappointed that Doc’s stuck on having an old team because that’s what won it for him in ’08.

Billy Walker is a gem just waiting to be polished.

Perk will be in his 7th year playing next year, which you’ve got to say is veteran. And Rondo and Baby will be playing the equivalent of their 4th years—considering how much playoff experience they’ve got.

The C’s definitely need a veteran backup center and I’m okay with a veteran backup for Pierce, too—as long as Doc still actually plays and develops Walker.

based on his comments, I get the following interpretation
TA isn’t the answer at SF or backup wing —> agree 100%
Pruitt’s not the answer at backup PG —> can’t argue with that based on performance
Marbury —> may not be the answer at backup PG or his resigning isn’t likely
Mikki “Won’t be around any” Moore.
Veal isn’t the answer at back up SF —> agree 100%
Walker/Giddens aren’t being counted on as backup wings for next year —> agree somewhat with this. We shouldn’t rely on them for significant contributions but continue to develop them with an eye towards a year or two further down the road.

I get the impression he’d like a revamp of almost the entire bench which is just what the team needs. Keep Walker and Giddens to develop them but everyone else can be upgraded.

he’s a sharp-enough shooter to demand attention coming off the bench, which both says and accomplishes something. We know that he’s a good guy who’s okay with his role, and one more year is good timing as well.

I liked what Doc said except for the new point guard part.

  Danny didn’t replace PJ with POB, he replaced him with Davis, who played a minutes a game in the ’08 playoffs with 9 DNPs.

  Just because you can’t figure out that the Celts expected Baby to play a bigger role this year doesn’t make me an apologist. It makes your argument stronger if you claim that Danny expected POB to take PJ’s minutes in this year’s playoffs but that doesn’t make it so.

pretty plain comments from Doc. wonder how come of these things sounded behind the scenes during the year.

Marbury and Mikki represent an important point here — veterans don’t always represent a veteran presense. their inability to calm or lead left the locker room too dependant on paul and ray. this should be carefully considered in at least 1 of the 2 players brought in — can you say, Grant Hill? I bet his and McDyess’ are ringing off the hook.

my sense is, while a business man thru and thru, he’s more tempted to lead with his heart than his head when it comes to choices like posey. i’m sure he’s listening here — his reaction will be interesting to see this offseason…

I’ve been agreeing with what he said since last Summer. Here’s hoping Danny is paying attention.

Like who I don’t agree with the PG part, except if they’re going to sign McIntyre.

I doubt Baby shows his growth this year with a healthy KG or Powe. The only reason Baby was able to show growth was because we had no choice but to play him.

Had we had a full healthy roster, Doc would probably have gone to Scal, first off the bench over Baby.

Agree 100%.

On the other hand, he could´ve easily avoided this situation if he just asked me :D j/k

The only concnern I have is that they might go with too many veterans next season. As it is, the team already lacks the typical strengths young players bring (athelticism etc)

It reminds me of the “Posey wasn´t that important” justification a lot of people used last off-season. All of a sudden, Baby´s height is an important factor for his contribution, when that wasn´t the case in the last two years.

Who knows what Baby can get on the open market? I still have hope that he comes back.
15 mil/4 years is not too much for one of the best big man projects of the last two years. I mean, it´s arguable that Baby is a better player than Greg Oden at this point.

Last year, everyone and their mother loved Leon Powe, and said how great he allegedly was for a second-year player.
You never hear the argument that Powe is “too short”. In the minds of most fans, Powe has “unlimited potential”, while Baby has “hit his ceiling”. Leon´s history of serious knee injuries is obviously not that important, but the two inches Baby lacks makes him a “4th big man” at best.

That is up there with “TA can replace Posey” as the biggest nonsense I´ve heard all year.

doc is an honest man and i think he speaks for danny too. let’s develop bill walker. goodbye tony-injury prone and a bit of a head case.

I would think that Doc and Danny would want the per game minutes of the big 3 coming down next year significantly. Thus it should afford Doc the opportunity to give both the veteran pick up and a young player enough minutes to help rest the starters and develope the youth.

Wyc was on Celtics Now this week and said he had a specific player in mind that he wanted the team to get as a free agent but wasn’t going to divulge the name. My guess is Grant Hill.

Rajon is inconsistent, he can’t shoot , Marbury won’t be back etc. Interesting

with Rondo and Marbury’s agents.

Notice neither he nor Danny has mentioned a need at power forward, which makes me think Baby may be a priority for them. Either that or they feel very good about Powe’s recovery.

Think we could get Desmond Mason? I think he would be a good fit.

I get tired of doc whining he doesn’t have a team of veteran all-stars. His title is head coach and not head manager. If Walker, Pruitt, BB, etc can’t be counted on, who is to blame?. I understand the center issue and Celtics need a big body shot blocker who can play serious defense when Perk goes to the bench. However the other situations require “coaching”. It is easy to ask for a $110+M dollar payroll of superstars. The Celtics owners spend enough money to expect a championship run (assuming they get a real backup center). Doc should show he is a real coach and get Walker, BB, Pruitt and Giddens to improve. Walker has serious athletic talent and is willing to work. Saying they are young is just a cop-out.

I don’t think you will see Ainge bringing in anybody new for longer than 3 years contractually. Center and wing is my guess.

Gortat from Orlando and Outlaw from Portland

Without being an apologist for Danny, I don’t think he’s an idiot — I think he knew that these were our needs last off-season, too, and just wasn’t willing or able to keep Posey for the money he got from NO, to pay a guy like Pietrus what he got from the Magic, etc. I’m not saying that we maximized our off-season even then, by any means. But I think that identifying our needs is the easy part; actually filling them at a price acceptable to ownership is the hard part.

What gives me some hope is that a) everyone has now seen what happens when we lean too much on the Big 3 during the regular season, and so it must be a team imperative to prevent that next year even if it means a few additional losses getting new guys up to speed and/or giving younger players minutes; and b) that Wyc and company have now experienced the difference — in game revenue, merchandise, ticket renewals, etc. — between a Championship team and a 2nd round team, and hopefully those are additional millions that they’ll be willing to risk spending this off-season.

Don’t be surprised if Danny Deals one of the Big Three. Dead serious about that. Danny first hands saw what holding onto Larry, Robert, & Kevin did to the Celtics. He might just decide to trade one of them for a more younger player(s).

He has Ray Allens contract expiring next year, and if some teams are looking to trading good players with longer contracts, Danny might just do that and also allow him to hit the free agent market with one or two players.

I truly believe he is heading in that direction, he’s looking at every option available to him at the moment

Rivers blew MANY opportunities to give Walker & Giddens quality playing time. Without getting it, nobody really knows their skill level.

How many times did you see Paul or Ray or both on the floor, with 3 minutes left in the game, and Boston up by 15 points? Lots of times!

Walker & Giddens should have seen lots of fourth quarter minutes, when the team enjoyed huge leads. Then, come playoff time, they would`ve had some experience, and could have contributed.

Sam Cassel? um no
I dont see why he includes sams name in talking about who we missed, we freaking had the guy half the year, never played him and then traded him, that and he sucked for us anyways

I keep reading the posts and wonder what some of you are thinking.

This was a great year. Could we have upgraded the roster better? Certainly, but unitl KG went down they were 2nd in the league 1-2 games behind Cleve and might have caught them. And still finished with the 3rd best record.

I don’t care who we added, if KG goes down, we go down. Simple as that. We might be able to lose Ray or Pierce (don’t want to) but not KG. He spearheads the defense, is our inside presence and the emotional leader. He allows PP to be PP and allows Ray to do his stuff. He also opens things up for Eddie and everyone else. In the playoffs you need an inside presence, a threat, which is KG. He commands double teams, that’s how Eddie and Ray and PP get so wide open. Perk improved in the post, but will never demand a double team.

Pls remember that this is a business and news flash, the economy SUCKS! The C’s payroll is, I believe over $80-85M, which means they are paying the tax, which puts the true salary at close to $100M.

I think Danny expected more from BBD and Powe and he got it until injuries deleted the roster. I think he expected and expects more from TA, who was also hurt for the last half of the season (thumb). Hopefully he will play better next year, if not he’s an expiring contract. And yes, he’s been disappointing.

I agree with most people who think we need a Big, Wing Player and a PG. BTW, I love Bill Walker and hope he can make an impact next year. But you don’t win championships with young people establishing themselves, it takes vets.

I don’t see BBD coming back if he wants big buxks more than $2.5-3M. I can see him in a sign and trade if it fills a hole.

I’d like to see Danny explore bringing in Rasheed Wallace. I know he’s a jerk, but he can play.. Danny and Doc would have to make sure that he’s willing to be a backup, wouldn’t disrupt the team chemistry and would have to be willing to play for the MLE. He would give us both an inside and outside presence pretty rate in one player.

The fundamental problem, spending 60+ M for just 3 players, forcing DA to use cheap draft pics, and bought out players to fill out the other 12 players, catches up with you. When you have 3 HOF’s you, in theory, can fill out the rest with whatever, and still get a ring.

But when your best HOF goes down, the whole gamble goes down with him. Doc can complain all he wants, but the situation is, what it is. He needs to figure out how to make due with whatever DA can get on the cheap to fill in around the Big $ 3. This team would not have gotten here without the Big $ 3. But at the same time, its tough to find decent players with the scraps you have left over to work with.

Danny can bring in draft pics for cheap, or bought out players for cheap, or FA willing to sign for cheap. But the common theme is “Cheap”. And as long as you have 3 players sucking up 60+, that is what you are stuck with. That said, you still might be able to pull off another banner, if the 3 stay healthy, and you get a break on getting someone to come in here.

Childress is the type of defensive wing and offensive spark off the bench that we need. I highly doubt he would come cheaply since he followed the money to Europe. Does anyone know if he would become an UFA if he opts out of Olympiacos?

I just read the article that these quotes come from. Doc goes on to say that Marbury would be much better next year, and that he thinks that training camp would be really helpful. If anything it seams like he is looking into re-signing Marbury. I don’t hate it. I really felt like he was gearing up to break out at any time. He just got here to late to get back into the swing of things. That’s what pre-season is for.

I agree with doc’s assessment but did he just give danny an impossible wish list? I mean seriously can danny get all that done? if we weren’t willing to sign posey last year why is danny now going to go on a spending spree? frankly I thought the celts got tight last year

Well, I agree with Rivers as to what they need. The question is, what players will be selected to fill those needs?

But the notion that they “suddenly got younger” is bogus. Marbury and Moore are in their 30’s.

What haqppened is that their bench suddenly got worse. Marbury and Moore were major disappointments, and while BBD grew as a player, he’s no Garnett.

I also believe that Rivers made a very poor decision in giving so many minutes to Marbury when it obviously wan’t working.

I think the big man rotation is getting far too much criticism.

I know it’s not an ideal big man rotation — KG, Perk, Powe and BBD, and Scal as the fifth big — that it lacks length and a legitimate center, but it’s still a very strong group overall and they complement each other well.

I don’t they backup big men are getting enough credit for the quality they provide the team.

i’ve already conceded that.

with our starting five + health, it is very difficult to put together a team that is not capable of winning a Title. Like i said, you could fill out our bench with D-Leaguers and you’d still have a chance at a Title.

but that’s not a reason to leave obvious holes in the bench that you could actually fill.

could we have won last year without Posey and PJ? Sure. Did having them increase our chances of winning said Title? Definitely.

yeah Doc gets it alright but to me he’s getting it a little too late !
In hind sight its easy to talk about what you could’ve done and should do.
I wonder why Doc didn’t get it with Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo, Eddie House and Tony Allen.
Giving Paul Pierce the ball from the top of the key to take his man one on one is one very difficult play for Piece because he’s not a very good ball handler, and half the time if he doesn’t get the shot off his passes nearly always results in a turnover, Doc hasn’t figured this out over the years with Paul !
Ray Allen is and was a very poor defender and for some strange reason ended up guarding the opponents better offensive players, Doc didn’t figure that out.
Rondo though he has next to no consistency with a jump shot he’s nearly unguardable taking the ball to the basket. In the Chicago and Orlando series instead of giving the ball to Paul from so far out from the basket the right play would’ve been to give the ball to Rondo for a drive against whoever was guarding him, his driving to the basket was very successful in both series !
Eddie House should’ve have gotten more minutes especially in crunch time, his presence on the floor alone opens up the middle for penetration, and if he get the ball off penetration for a catch and shoot it was more than likely to be a score !
Tony Allen should’ve been given more minutes, early minutes to get him into the feel of the game, and later minutes for defensive purposes, Ray Allen was getting slaughtered by whoever he as guarding !
Doc coaching was on display and he did a very poor job
After failing its easy to say what he did about improving his team but what’s equally important here is Doc improving his coaching skills, I was not impressed

The c’s are in discussion with Grant Hill, Rasheed Wallace and Yes Ron Artest- and yes I have an inside leak- and no I will not leak my lead. From what I understand they are only talking- TA ,Gabe,Moore are all outta here. TA too injury prone,Gabe DUI sealed the deal and Moore Need I say More ?