The Gabe Pruitt Question
The Celtics have as many as six free agents heading into this off-season, leaving the team with a number of questions to answer this summer. One of the first decisions Danny Ainge will be asked to consider is, what should the Celtics do with Gabe Pruitt?
The Celtics have a team option on Pruitt for next season at a league-minimum salary of $825,497. Pruitt has expressed a desire for the Celtics to pick up that option. However, the decision is not a clear cut one.
On the one hand, Pruitt is a young player at a position of need. He just turned 23 last month, and it can be argued (as Who has done in our forums) that he's already as good as many of the third string point guards in the NBA. Pruitt has previously looked good in the D-League, averaging 18.6 points and 3.9 assists on an eFG% of .502 a season ago.
On the other hand, however, there is a real question regarding whether Pruitt can play at this level. He simply hasn't shown that he's a very good player by NBA standards. Among NBA point guards, Pruitt ranked 48thout of 78 players in assist-to-turnover ratio, 69th out of 78 in assists per minute, and 74th out of 78 in field goal percentage. To the extent that Pruitt is really a shooting guard in a point guard's body (as demonstrated by his relatively low assist rate and his nearly 1-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in the D-League), shooting guards who can't shoot tend not to stay in the NBA for long. He shot an atrocious 30.7% from the field this season, and offered little in the way of play making ability or defense to make up for that deficiency. Pruitt's poor play impacted games, as the team averaged 11.2 fewer points per 48 minutes when Pruitt was in the game. The simple fact is that Pruitt has proven nothing thus far in the NBA, and that's even without considering his DUI arrest.
Arguably, Pruitt is a low risk, moderate-to-high reward player. Obviously, Danny liked him in the draft, picking him above Glen Davis. However, as discussed on Thursday, Doc wants veterans on this team. Already, this team has two projects on the roster with guaranteed contracts for next season, in J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker. Tony Allen is also on the roster, clogging up space on a player who can't be counted on consistently to play at even an average level. The team may decide to attempt to bring Leon Powe back for a year; certainly, if the choice comes down to Powe versus Pruitt, the fans have made their voice heard. With limited roster space, this team needs to make every available slot possible count. In my estimation, that means Pruitt needs to go.
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That's what I see him as--
—a good, cheap throw-in in a trade, thus worth picking up that option; though I’m sure the C’s would ideally have the deal together before picking him up.
Voted no.
I don’t think his potential is large enough to warrant any further nurturing from the Celtics. Keep the “nurture room” on the bench for Bill Walker, and possibly J.R. Giddens, but nobody more. At this point, the Celtics should be removing all the unnecessary cogs from our otherwise elite machine, so that definitely means no Gabe Pruitt, and all the other usual suspects (TA, Moore, Scal(?))
"I was playing in the streets one time and my friend broke off a leg to a chair and threw it at another guy through his heart and he died." - Ron Artest, QB's finest
I don't care
I’m hoping House is the backup PG. If so, we’ll need another guard and it’s not very important who’s that guy as long as he’s cheap and not a complete scrub. I’d rather sign a better player like Terrell McIntyre or a someone with more potential like DJ Strawberry, guys who could eventually replace House in the following season, but I don’t mind Pruitt as well.
They should pick up his option but they won’t. He’ll go elsewhere and become and excellent player, but not under Rivers.
they will pick him up
options for a guard that can defend ones and twos and hit a three at his price — that will not take up part of the MLE or LLE — don’t exist. he’s staying.
I with clover and nazzbo, he’s cheap, and things could finally click for him. If they don’t throw him in a trade or something. And cordobes, DJ Strawberry has no more potential than Gabe does. In fact he’s almost exactly identical in every way. Only difference is Strawberry is over in Italy playing while Gabe is on an NBA roster not playing much.
Where have you gone, Gerald Green, Gerald Green
Since I was so sure we had given away a future all star there, not even I listen to my opinion on NBA talent anymore. But since Giddens has a contract and seems more physical than Pruitt I vote we hold him and let Pruitt go. If they re-sign Marbury and focus on a big man, we can use swing men assuming Tony allen is not a solution.
Hard to say...
I think is poor FG% and assist #s/ratios would be much better if he was given some more minutes and consistently so. But I don’t think this is the team where he gets that shot, so his potential is being wasted. It sucks to see a young player that couldn’t get a shot move on and blossom in an increased role, and I feel like that could happen if Pruitt goes elsewhere.
As the third string PG
I am not sure what you will get that will help us NOW better than Gabe. If you are thinking of him as your backup PG to replace Marbury, or that he will one day turn into a starter then you will likely be disappointed. We will have to pay that amount or more for a third string PG, so why not Gabe. If he doesn’t improve next year to the point of thinking he could backup Rondo for a few years then you let him walk.
Think about what you are asking the guy to do and who is truly available before you start throwing out borderline starter names. If we want a thread asking who to replace Starbury with THEN bring out those names.
What GP question? It’s hard to fathom the need for an untested 3rd year guard who shows little in the way of shooting or dishing? Id have rather kept Paddy. As Tommy h noted, he had one thing you cant teach (length) and a nice touch around the basket. Surely he could have developed past the Mikki Moore level.
At the larger point, look at the number of back-up guards on this club: TA, Pru, Gids, Walk, Marbs — 5 roster spots, one playoff worthy and one worth developing. Are Doc and Danny communicating?
Gabe is a gonner- His DUI sealed the deal-it’s a shame because I think he could have been ok with a little more time on the floor early in the season-but he has officially played himself. No chance of a return
by fadeawayswish17 on May 24, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
When does his option need to be picked up by? Of the fringe-guys on the roster, he’s the first to go because of his contract and what seems to be a lack of development, but don’t decline his option until we see what shakes out in free agency (if possible). If we go into next season with just House and Pruitt as the backups, that’s not good… but if we go into next season with just House as the backup, that’s worse. They’ll be spending their money on a big and a backup 3, I would hope, so no telling who will shake out as our backup at the 1.
I see no point in keeping Pruitt (unless he’s part of a trade) because he’s wasting a roster spot. And we already have enough guys who aren’t likely to get minutes next year in the form of Giddens and Walker and TA.
by silvershamrocker on May 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions
I agree completely...
That’s exactly my perspective.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
i would rather have the opportunity to sign
someone who will actually play…he wastes a roster spot…bye bye
by celticinorlando on May 24, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Gabe
I think the first thing that needs to come into this conversation is that Gabe’s upside is that he’ll be an OK backup PG. Thus, there isn’t going to be a scenario where we look back five years from now and say, “damn, I wish we kept Gabe.” That being established, despite being a Gabe-basher myself, I wouldn’t totally rule him out. If the C’s find themselves in a position where they need a third string PG, he might not be a bad way to go: he knows the system and could probably step in and play backup PG behind Rondo for 10-15 mpg if the 2nd string guy went down for a while.
But I’d only bring him back if there’s a need for a third string PG. If Rondo, House, and Marbury are all on the team next year, or if Marbury walks and there’s a better option than Pruitt out there, we should absolutely positively let him walk.
Is he really that much different then Allen Ray?
Both were undersized SGs. Both showed a little talent. Neither ever showed to be NBA callibur players.
I think he needs to find a top league where he can play and learn some PG skills, then come back to the NBA.
if some how danny had convinced of seattte to take TA instead of delonte we would all be happier.
i like gabe but not enought to keep him, also TA MUST shape up ro get tossed his show in the playoff was a disgrace. Otherwise i expect the usual suspect to bring it for #18 campaign for next season,
It’s nice to see CAVS struggling against orlando.
Celtics are close.
very few people here are thinking . Gabe is a good prospect. When ever he is put in it’s mop up minutes not extended time. Eddie House can not dribble the ball, he can only shoot 3’s from a face up position not off his dribble(he can do that though). T Allen is worthless. he has physical ability but no brain Doc cant envision young talent. If a couch can’t envision young talent he will run your franchise in the groung. What do you think the draft is for. Doc excuse is rookies make mistakes on there defensive rotations. There is no way Maubury who has never played defence in his whole life, understands our defence better than Pruitt. Now Maubury is a better player than Pruitt but not for this team. I’am extremely up set that Walker did not hit the floor. Two months before the season was over Peirce was tired told Doc he was tired and Walker was ready to play but Doc would not play him. But now they say we need a small forward—-we already have one under contract.
I agree with you except...
Walker is an SG not a SF.
He needs to play
If Rivers does not intend to play GP, then they should cut GP loose and let him find playing time elsewhere. As a young player, he cannot improve and polish his skills sitting at the far end of the bench.
The D-league is a semi-joke. How many D-leaguers actually made it to the NBA and stay there?
DOC HATES TO PLAY THE YOUTH,
so how can we know the kid is not good enough? He may not be, but it just seems like this team plays yongsters when there is no choice, regardless of the circumstances.
Doc Does NOT Hate To Play Youth
How old are Rondo, Perk, Davis, Powe. These guys are youth. Doc maybe hates to play youth that can’t contribute to the team. Doc prefers to not play any player that cannot contribute. He played Davis over Moore. Doc doesn’t play Gabe because Gabe hasn’t shown anything, but Doc will play a 6 year old if he can get a triple double.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
disagree
I disagree with your interpretation of the pt Doc gave those players. Every single one of them only saw court time when Danny left Doc no other players to put in the game.
Rondo — Telfair had to be traded
Perk — what other Center did Doc have? Ratliff, unfit to play.
Davis — what other forward to Doc have — Veal? please
Powe — Gomes had to be traded
Doc’s track record with young players is very straightforward — he simply doesn’t play them unless he has no other option. Does that mean Pruitt has earned a shot? Not really, in the limited minutes he was getting pre-Marbury he wasn’t delivering much.
Enough Potential
I’ve seen so many players on this team with potential. Other than a big like Perk, or a few exceptions, if a player doesn’t show anything by the end of his second year he’s not going to show. Glen Davis had potential and he proved it in his second year. Look at Al Jefferson. Even TA has shown good stuff when he’s able to stay out of the trainer’s room. Powe has proved himself. Rondo. I thought Delonte proved that he could play a role here, but he couldn’t be a starting PG and the trade for Ray Allen was a no-brainer. So I think Gabe has had his chance and he’s not going to make it. The roster spot needs to go to someone else. We can get a Tyrone Lue-type for about the same money as Gabe and I’d rather go with Lue. (I’m just using Lue as an example).
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Why
is this an issue? Is Gabe a point guard? No. We have three needs to address this summer. A backup to Perk, a backup 3 and a true backup point guard. No one talks about the back up point spot. This is a serious need for Ainge. Get a back up point guard and cut Gabe loose.
bringing back gabe pruitt
i think they should cut ties noy only with pruitt but tony allen also but marbury should come back with a fair contract and only if he has no problem with backing up rondo ……
What's the point?
To bring in a more expensive, less talented vet who doesnt know our system or defense like Pruitt does?
I like what Ive seen of him. Keep him around.
Gabe
The only reason people like him is that he’s on the Celtics, and we as Celtics fans were traumatized from the early ’90s until last year into putting our faith into youth. If Gabe Pruitt was on any other team in the NBA, no one on this board would believe he belonged in the NBA.
Still, I’m not opposed to him coming back…but only if the team finds itself with an extra roster spot after it’s taken care of every other issue this offseason. Then, if we still need a third string PG, they can bring back Pruitt.
Other than that, let him walk. He may end up being a decent backup three years from now, but we’re never going to look back 5 years from now and say, “man, I can’t believe we let Gabe go,” like we do about Chauncey Billups.
when do we have to decide by?
if we can wait till training camp, keep him around as an insurance policy – if not, no big deal to me if he’s cut
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Pruitt is a good third string point. I’d be happy to welcome him back next season.
I’d only let him go under two circumstances:
(1) A clear and evident upgrade — say Anthony Carter, Anthony Johnson, or Ronnie Price.
(2) Or if another backup PG is brought in to be the primary backup, with House staying at the off guard position. Then House can double up on his duties as the the backup two guard and the third string point, and there’s no need for a Pruitt or any other third string point guard on the roster. (I’m against this option, I want Eddie at the point)
A winning smile,
some brief garbage time entries and a few even more fleeting moments of actual gameplay are all we’ve been privy to from the genial Mr. Pruitt. I have a good feeling about him in general, but I have to agree with those who say cut or trade him.
I have shed my wicked, “potential upside” ways (well, maybe I still have high hopes for Billy Walker), and I am becoming increasingly ruthless about what this team needs to do to keep winning. I sincerely believe that, with the core of this team intact, there are only a few gaps that need to be filled for the C’s to be something like the powerhouse they were only a scant season ago.
Unfortunately, even though he’s not necessarily one of those gaps, I don’t think G-Pru will be a part of the solution either…

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