Cosign on Nocioni. I think he’s a perfect younger fit for the Posey role.

I put together a little list of players that fit this particular criteria.

1-Ron Artest-I know this would have to be more of a sign and trade type thing and highley unlikely but Ron Would be perfect for this team he only made 7.4Mill

2-Stephen Jackson- Another guy that would be a great fit with his toughness and offensive ability he only makes 7.1 million (Would GS be crazy enough to dump him to the Celts?)Probably not

3-Shane Battier doubt Houston trades him but he makes 6.4 million

4-Nocioni popular with C fans and a possibility at 8Mill

5-Barbosa if phoenix is looking to disperse which it might he makes 6.1Mill

6-Raja Bell who I like and I know Danny tried to get at the trading deadline and Larry Brown does have an itchy trigger finger he only makes 5Mill

7-John Salmons proved to be a great pick up for the bulls I dont think they deal him but he makes 6mill

8-Przybilla nice back up big man but we can probably get someone cheaper in the free agent market he makes 6mill

9-Marquis Daniels 6.8 mill

10-Jamal Crawford now he most likely will be moved he makes about 8.5 mill I believe
 

Yeah i agree with you Jeff as far as shane is concerened love to have him in green but I think the C’s will look for a back up big man in the open market alla Mcdyess/Birdman-which I felt they should have given a chance last year

Thanks for explaining the expiring contract details. That is complicated stuff.

I think it is foolish to put $8.0 mil into one bench player. I’ve been reading so many opinions here that Big Baby – a damned good bench player – isn’t worth $5.0 mil, isn’t worth $4.0 mil, “wouldn’t give him more than $10 mil for 3 yrs”, blah, blah, blah. Now this blog sugests shooting the wad on one Nocioni caliber player. When what we need is help at the 5.

Nocioni is no $8 mil player and only a fool would take on someone else’s contract mistake. Some of my fellow bloggers must be from Iceland – which couldn’t distinguish real money from fantasy money either .

I’m not a Robert Swift guy. “Failed to launch” comes to mind. Was at the Portland game this year and he’s goofy looking guy (apologies to his mother), but pretty big. But, we are looking for 3rd string center (and hoping for better) and in Danny I trust.

of Trading for Shane Battier I’d do it

This guy is EXACTLY what we need. He can fill the wing position, give Pierce serious minutes, defend the opponents best scorer, and he’s a phenomenal teammate

I guess for all these reasons, Houston is highly unlikely to trade him

nocioni is not worth 8 mil. scal is more valuable at 3. barbosa is worth it.

I’m driving the Barbosa bandwagon… I would love Nocioni but his contract is a bit out of whack and would strap the Cs. As I’ve said a number of times, can you imagine the pressure the Cs would put on a defense with Rondo/Barbosa for 48 minutes alone and together for spells? Ray Allen and Eddie House become all the more dangerous. Add a Grant Hill or Rasheed Wallace and the Cs are potent offensively off the bench. In fact, I think the following is a real possibility for next year…

Rondo/Barbosa
Allen/House/Giddens
Pierce/Hill/Walker
Garnett/Scalabrine (after buyout by PHX)/Powe (after midseason)
Perkins

With either Baby or Gortat (I’d prefer Gortat), and a LLE-type big man to complement either BBD or GOrtat (i.e. PF w/ LLE if the Cs are able to land Gortat or a C w/ the LLE if the Cs go with BBD)

Can the team afford to acquire a contract like Nocioni and spend the MLE at the same time?

I don’t mean next season, because he’d just be replacing those expiring deals, but can they afford it in 2010 and beyond?

In 2010 — KG and Pierce add up to about $40mil. Let’s say Ray and Rondo sign for $10mil apiece, that’s $60mil. Then you have Perk and the MLE, another $10mil, up to $70mil now. Then add $7-8mil from trading those expiring contracts, and you’re up around $77mil for seven players. Then you still have to fill out the rest of the squad ($4-7mil). That might be manageable …. looks a tight squeeze though.

If they’re willing to pay it, then great, make the trade. If not, I think the C’s will be able to get a better player with their MLE than through a trade, so I’d pick the MLE.

He makes around 5.5M and would fill the backup center and PF slot and has 2 years left on his contract. I can’t see Larry letting him go, but … . Foster is a rebounding fool, and kills teams on the offensive glass. He’s also pretty tough and physical.

Also, I do like the Nocione deal. Not only is he skilled but plays with a chip on his shoulder. He doesn’t mind hitting somebody in the mouth or using his body as a battering ram.

Ray very well might take 10 per on a four year deal – since the last year makes it up. He’d also be the ideal SG next to Lebron – if NYK can sign to elite guys those would be the guys I went for.

Anyways – if the C’s can afford the cash in one year, and just worry about down the line commitments, Scal and Tony can be traded with money to buy them out. Scal and Tony would both likely get picked up for the minimum at ~1.5 million per year so Tony probably only costs 1-1.5 million. Scal’s making 3 so maybe he costs 2-2.5 (maybe less if he knows the C’s would pick him up and he wanted to come back.) The C’s can send 3 million in any deal – so a team that traded with the Celts could save 6 million on top of whatever they cut. So a trade of the three guys Jeff mentions for a 8.7 million dollar player could save 6-7 million after buyouts. If the team is over the tax limit then it actually saves them a bit more (but not double since they still pay tax on the buyouts.)

I can’t see a team acquiring both Tony Allen and JR Giddens. At this point JR is a bit of an unknown and maybe some team takes a gamble on him developing or maybe some team has the minutes to play Tony Allen and try to rejuvenate good Tony, but I doubt a team wants both. Pruitt’s got the buyout built in, so he’s a good way to inflate salary and I could see even Walker getting thrown into the deal if a higher paid guy that’s worth while is out of reach. Also a third team could be included to make the salaries work.

Teams won’t dump a player for bad players that make the same amount, but they absolutely will trade a player just to get out from the money. The buyout option means Scal and Tony can likely be bought out and its more like the team released the player for nothing, rather than different for bad contracts.

Here are some other options

Keyon Dooling 3 yrs 3.8M
Eduardo Najera 3 yrs 3.0
Ronny Turiaf 3yrs 4.0M
Dan Gaduric 2 yrs 7.0
James Posey 3 yts 6.5
Mo Peterson 2 yrs 6.5
Nic Collison 2 yrs 6.5
Andra Blatche 3 yrts 3.2

While I think he is a good player, I dont think he fits the C’s need. I think the C’s need to get more athletic on the wings. Athleticism is not one of Nocioni’s strengths. As mentioned above, I would also love to get Warrick. Probably not going to happen however. Does Marion get more than the Mid Level? I think Matt Barnes would be a good fit. Also, I think Richard Jefferson would be terrific in green but he makes 12 milion for the next 2 years. Too bad b/c he would be perfect off the bench and could be had for next to nothing.

How about Boris Diaw? I thinks hes making 9 Mil we would have to include Gabe. But I’m all for it

I like Foster a lot. He always plays great against the C’s. Is Nocioni that great a defensive player? I know he hustles and all. Wouldn’t we rather have Trevor Ariza? I might like Nocioni better in a bigger deal including Kevin Martin. Not sure…..

Don’t think he is getting traded…

Hornet’s off-season will be interesting… I would love to have posey back… 6 mill for 3 more!

Wouldn`t it make sense to see if he has potential first?
Perhaps he could develop into a good player for us, and is worth keeping.

Typical of Rivers, he got to play only 8 minutes last year…what kind of opportunity is that?!?

We can even ignore the fact that he made 2 of his only 3 shot attempts from the field.

Collison would be a nice pickup also. But I’m not sure Ainge is gonna put a lot of money towards one bench player (i.e. Nocioni). Hopefully he spends more wisely than last summer.

Scal, Tony, Giddens, and Pruitt for Earl Watson and Damien Wilkins.

I could see Cuban getting ready for the 2010 splash. Josh Howard, I’m looking in your direction

His contract is a little scary but I’d take him over Barbosa or Nocioni. He’s an all around better fit for what the C’s need. Super aggressive, monster on D, can hit the 3 and run the point if need be. Seeing Perk, Garnett, Pierce, Jackson and Rondo on the floor all at once is enough to give any team nightmares. Just talking about it makes me a little spooked….

Hinrich is the best choice if Chicago wants to get rid of salary. He would be able to guard the smaller 2s like he did with Ray Allen and all but the quickest ones. It would take salaries of Scales, T. Allen, Giddens and Pruitt and maybe you could even get a future 1 out of chicago if you throw in the max 3M.

God, how I love coming to celticsblog to hear uninformed hyperbole.

Listen, I love Nocioni for one reason: he’s a badass. He plays hard and brings toughness and tenacity to the court. I LOVE that. The problem is, he’s too slow to guard most 3s and too small to guard 4s. Sure, he’ll try hard, but he doesn’t have the physical ability to consistently compete. Like a lot of guys, he only becomes valuable if he’s hitting his 3s. He’s a career 37 percent 3 point shooter, so while that sounds good…

We don’t have an offensive problem on this team! We need defenders, we need guys who are long and can defend the 3/4 from an athletic standpoint, guarding guys from Lebron to Rashard Lewis. Nocioni is NOT that guy by a mile. I’d rather we put all our eggs in the basket of the guy that can actually defend the 3/4 instead of putting them in the basket of the guy who needs to hit 3 pointers to justify his playing time at the 3/4.

Trevor Ariza makes a TON more sense for the Cs than Nocioni ever will (though I do realize that their situations are different, but I’m just throwing his name out there as the type of 3/4 that we ACTUALLY need).

Put me in the camp that think we should be figuring on House’s expiring contract when we construct these hypothetical trades. I’d trade him in a heartbeat—and since he actually has value around the league, we might actually get some takers. Scal/TA/Giddens have almost zero value around the league, which means we’re only going to be able to trade them for underperforming overpaid players with multiple years left on their bloated contracts. Put in House and there’s a little value and maybe we get a better deal…

In all actuality, I expect that Scal/TA/Giddens won’t be dealt until next season’s trade deadline, if at all. There might be more value to us in simply getting their deals off the books.

and a couple of guys who may or may not fit the criteria are Hakim Warrick, Marvin Williams and Travis Outlaw. Danny won’t add bloated contracts onto his payroll. Didn’t do it last year with Posey, won’t add any this summer either. So Scal and TA are probably here until late Feb anyways. I do hope he gives Giddens a real chance to show something before he’s cut. He looks like he ought to be able to guard people.

do we / you really know that Outlaw or Warrick don’t play enough D? Have they been in a system like Tom T’s and next to a guy like KG? They have excellent length and might flourish in our system.