Momentum Is Overrated
by Jeff Clark on May 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT
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So much for momentum. As expected, the Magic were jacked up on their home court and came out gunning. The Celtics didn't help themselves by playing poor defense and shooting poorly.
It is hard to win a playoff basketball game when...
- Ray Allen goes 3-13.
- Anthony Johnson heads into halftime as the best player on the court.
- all your big men get into foul trouble (playing against Dwight Howard)
- you let the other team shoot 60% from the field
It goes down as a minor footnote, but the Celtics did mount a mini-comeback in the 3rd quarter to pull within 9 points but once again, that's not worth much if you are down 20 points to begin with.
By the way, the post season trend continues and we have to wait a day or so to see if the league decides to suspend Perkins for his forearm to the throat move. Hard to believe that is what he intended to do, but I'm not sure that matters. Take him out for a game and what hope do we have against Howard? Cross your fingers.
So now the Magic have the series lead, home court advantage, and have taken back "momentum" (for what it is worth). Now they get Alston back and have a chance to go up 3-1 if they can win another home game.
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Momentum is not over-rated
The ability of analysts to identify what really constitutes momemtum is.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on May 8, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there was momentum on Boston's side
Magic had got to split games in Boston, gained HCA, were back home, had Courtney Lee – a way more important player than Alston – back. Even their terrible loss wasn’t that terrible: they missed an insane amount of open shots and the adjustments they had to do defensively were pretty obvious.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they followed that up by playing harder, more intelligently and – frankly – better in every phase of the game.
Really disappointingly poor, unfocused performance by the Celtics. Hard to believe a defending champion is so unable to mount a consistent effort night in and night out in the playoffs.
by CoachBo on May 8, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeps, they lose their focus too often
It was happening during the regular season, as you noted many times, and they obviously carried it over to the playoffs.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are certainly some physical reasons for it – lack of a bench, etc.
But one could certainly see this coming.
by CoachBo on May 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff, once again, Paul Piece’s below average performance does not come up in your summation. Don’t you think that’s worht at least a passinn mention? What is it going to take to acknowledge that Boston’s captain has mailed it in since winning the championship last year?
by The Village Idiot on May 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mailed it in?!?
Paul Pierce is the TRUTH and when all is said and done this year there will be no talk of ‘mailed it in’…
He’s lookin’ like a tired veteran pickin’ his spots and playin’ on fumes
by jyrecelts on May 8, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
You my friend, are a funny guy. Pierce was relentless and gutty. Although he didn’t shoot lights out, his effort was second to none tonight. You my friend, live up to your name.
SCOTT
by Vegas Scott on May 9, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if this is Paul doing his best
.. and fully motivated…. we are DONE. Turn this team over and stick a fork in it. Our only hope is that Paul IS phoning it in, because then we can expect him to get it together soon, probably in time for Cleveland (if we get there). But if this is Paul’s BEST… there is no way in hell we can beat the Cavs. Magic, maybe… like we did in game 2. But not Cleveland, no way. So… you should hope TVI is right.
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expalin to me
Why do you keep calling Pierce out?
It wasn’t his best game but he did have 27 points and 6 assists and was perfect from the line.
He certainly played better than anyone else in green tonight. not named House.
So when are you going to call out someone else?
by Jaycelt on May 9, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game was not Paul's fault
It was mostly Doc’s… who was outcoached. But Paul did play weakly for the first 3 quarters, and my point is simply that if that’s really his BEST now, our goose will be cooked in Cleveland anyway, even if we get through Orlando. So I’m thinking… hoping… that Paul still has another gear in him… that he can be MVP again. But that hope is fading with every game like the one we saw tonight.
Of course, Ray had a bad game again. Shooters do. And the key player is, always is, Rondo. Rondo must be the one to bring the ball up on EVERY possible possession… never Paul or Ray (because the ball sticks when they do, esp with Paul). Rondo must run the offense. Not Paul. And Rondo must control his man on D, or the whole Celtics defense falls apart… as happened in the first half tonight.
But the single person most responsible for tonight… is Doc. He was flat out outcoached. They drove when Doc thought they would feed Howard, then they shot lights out from deep when Doc thought they’d continue going inside. Doc got killed tonight. On top of that, he failed to take advantage of a white-hot Eddie House, and even said in his interview that he “didn’t like” the idea of using House to win. Wow… what a head-scratcher. Sounds like Doc needs a vacation… and the way he coached tonight, he just might get one real soon.
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am at a loss, frankly, to understand how the blame for a lazy, unfocused performance can be laid at the feet of a coach.
This team simply isn’t able to show up to play two nights in a row. The result was a putrid defensive performance that yielded almost 60 percent shooting and 39 points in the fourth quarter.
Defense is 80 percent effort and 20 percent X and O. If you don’t have the effort – and the Celtics most certainly did not – all the coaching in the world isn’t going to save you.
This loss falls squarely on the heads of the starters, who weren’t ready to play.
by CoachBo on May 9, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of analysts...
those two big nose broadcasters on ESPN are so !@#$%^& painful to have to endure… they don’t recognize half the players they refer to and my god… tha banality…
by jyrecelts on May 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pasch and Barry were not a whole lot of fun tonight, indeed...
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 8, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst I've seen in a while...
They never once commented in the first half about the officiating. It was so lopsided tonight, a protest would have made sense to me. They saw it, we knew they saw it, and yet they said nothing. Total cowards. Also they are both not very smart. I mean plays were often obvious where you’d hear them thinking. It was weird. Tonight was my least favorite game of the season to watch.
SCOTT
by Vegas Scott on May 9, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
van gundy is maybe the only commentator
i can think of that criticizes officials during games. nobody else touches the topic. they might say a few things (oh, he missed one there), but nobody makes the argument that refs are consistently giving one team the calls over the other team. this isn’t just a celtics thing…it happens all over the league. until people start calling it out, though, stern the emperor won’t do anything about it. look at all the reforms after the ref scandal last year…none.
by guy incognito on May 9, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can watch van Gundy, he actually gets involved in the spirit of the game.
Of the non heinsohn-gorman teams, Van gundy’s crew are ok. The rest are so painful… Marv, please, pay attention…
by jyrecelts on May 9, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry is really terrible
Unless you like the monotone delivery and inaccurate ref support
by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
key to the game
Johnson outplaying Rondo in the 1st half; Pierce not showing up until late in the 3rd; lack of composure by Davis (six missed lay-ups); lethargic; no energy; didn’t stop dribble penetration, so Magic got easy dunks; Magic lay-ups in the 1st Q (probably 5); it all starts on D, and they gave up 110+ points, so there wasn’t any; really disappointing effort
by KJR on May 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all I can say is, they are who we thought they were...
by jyrecelts on May 8, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lots
working AGAINST the celtics tonight…including lack of support from the refs.
it is my opinion that the magic win in spite of their coach…
the whole ‘wired’ thing?
doesn’t sound very inspirational and it appears at least one player couldn’t give a you know what about his coach.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on May 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Perk is suspended for his forearm to Pietrus' throat, the series is over
That is the only thing we should worry about right now, and I woulds lean 80 percent toward him getting suspended.
by vinnie on May 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
The elbow was inadvertent, he didn’t swing it. Although, with all the criticsm of Rondo’s immunity they could decide to suspend Perk to deflect the contention that the Celtics get special treatment
by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
S U N D A Y
They will win on MOTHERS DAY…tie this thing up.
Either one, you’d think, is playing for the right to get crushed by Cleveland.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on May 8, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the git go
From that 1st play, where PP took it right in to Howard and no call, I knew we would not win this game. We just keep getting beat down. PP has to dish it out on those drives instead of taking it.
by liamail on May 8, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Marbury’s pressure on the ball and overall defense was gonna save us there for a minute. I would have left Rondo on his sorry but tonight at that point. He is letting Johnson get by him whenever he wants, and he is not picking up three-quarter court or half court or even at the 3 point line. That has been driving me right up the wall. He did that all season and now in the playoffs he isn’t. I understood it in the bulls series, disagredd, but understood. And I realize he is playing great otherwise but what happened to the ball pressur? Man, really thought Marbury was gonna save us there. The Magic just wanted to crumble, too bad.
by chicagogreen on May 8, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
never as good as you think
never as bad….i would bet my car boston comes out big time on sunday…and i can’t see orlando maintaing that level of shooting…YOU CANNOT GET DOWN 16 POINTS TO A GOOD TEAM….JUST LIKE GAME ONE….horrid performance and they should be embarrassed….but if perk is out for game 4…then yes…this series will be over in 6
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point made about Ray and Paul having off nights
If they both just play well for game 4 then we are gonna be going home tied with Magic for the series. Rondo needs start the offense and accelerate the defense with his on ball pressure. Doc needs to figure out these rotations better because Scal, House, and Marbury play great when we are up. Starters have to push and drive these guys to go up enough to keep them on their toes, not like they did tonight.
by illestmcsgt on May 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
paul has had an off series
but the DEFENSE was the problem tonight…
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed -- Celts win Sunday if Perk plays
I find it interesting that everyone is ignoring the fact that Perk hit a guy in the throat with a forearm. It truly is going to be difficult for Stu Jackson to not issue a one-game suspension.
by vinnie on May 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These suspensions are ridiculous
Alston should not have been suspended and neither should Perk. People want to see the players play, not see people sit out. And the series will be all but over if Perk can’t play.
by Kuberski33 on May 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way Perk gets suspended
Kobe didn’t after a hit to the throat. Look… the league looks at INTENT as the key factor. If a foul happens as an accident, they are not going to suspend. Kobe’s case was not nearly as clear as Perk’s… Perk had his elbow up to make space and Pietrus basically walked into it. Perk was looking the other way when it happened. No way will they suspend for that.
In case you’re thinking of arguing that it’s not about intent, it is. That’s why, for example, the league actually called DFish and Scola to find out what happened BEFORE the foul 2 days ago…. in order to better assess intent.
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed
No chance of suspension. Was barely a foul.
by libermaniac on May 9, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, no suspension because the elbow was stationary
Just seal the paint and the Magic will settle for jumpers just like game 2, and the celts get back HCA
by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was soooo tired about hearing about the defense. We still need to find a way to run some kind of half court offense. What are we the 07 suns? Feed perk in the post, post up pp, something. We can’t just throw our hands up because we aren’t getting fast break chances.
by chicagogreen on May 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and press the ball, did I mention that. man did rondo play badly.
by chicagogreen on May 8, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
serenity now
i believe the celtics will win this series, homecourt still means something.
and i cannot see them losing again on sunday, regardless of alston’s return.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on May 8, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is what ESPN is saying so far about the Perk foul
Perkins was called for a flagrant one foul with 10:15 remaining for an elbow on Mickael Pietrus. Replays showed Perkins’ elbow hit Pietrus in the chin while the two were battling for position away from the ball, the kind of play the NBA has been reviewing — and sometimes giving out suspensions — in a postseason that’s only becoming more physical.
by vinnie on May 8, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well if they suspend perk and not kobe
what kind of message does that send…..the key is “battling for position” if perk plays..boston will win game 4….orlando played as well as they could tonight and boston played about as bad as they could…all around perk
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, suspending Perkins is right on the message
According to Stu Jackson, their biggest worry is to punish his above the shoulders. Kobe hit the chest; Perkins clearly the throat.
Why are you so confident we’re going to win with Perkins? We’re now 1-4 vs. Orlando when we play with Perkins but without KG.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because when boston plays with
purpose and under pressure they play much better…just a feeling…but i think perk will be suspended…boston will play hard and come up just short without him…they have nothing on the frontline without him..i would ply small from the get go
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumb Perkin elbowed our chance away
Cutting a 20 point deficit to 7, we got the momentun. Then Perkin made a dumb foul which started 6 straight free throws for the Magic. Perkin should know better the ref was not far away if not right behind him.
by 33-32-00 on May 8, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly right...free throws really gave orlando
momentum tonight
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perk didn't
Perk didn’t throw the elbow MP ran right into it. MP was trying to get cheap calls all game and he finally got one. If Perk threw an elbow that dude would be in the hospital.
by liamail on May 8, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
i hope the league keeps that in mind. what kobe did was worse…wind up and delivery. perk should have kept his elbow down, but it doesn’t seem like it was premeditated in any way.
by guy incognito on May 8, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funniest post I've seen all night!!
Drink another!!!
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll feel better come Sunday (hopefully). But for now...
The good – Eddie. It’s also not possible to play any worse.
The bad – Baby had 3 rebounds. that’s not acceptable. Did he forget that’s part of his job duties as a big man??? Rondo playing steve nash defense and letting Johnson get wherever he wants – that’s not acceptable. Paul falling to the ground on every single moving screen that they make.. if the refs aren’t going to call it, stop selling it and just get back on defense. Ray… the most consistent guy during the regular season, is no where to be seen. Scal took a beating tonight and looked dazed at some points. Perk.. sigh. And as a team… no team defense. Everyone stood still on the offense. How many times did we see players stuck with no where to go and no one comes to bail them out? No good picks.
Probably the most disappointing thing of all – Rondo did the “oh he’s not a premier PG so I’m not going to play today” thing.
by Pengaloo on May 8, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondo mentally tired?
Why does Rondo let Anthony Johnson get by him? He lets him get by and tries that little cutsie strip from behind. A.J. just kept blowing by him. If I’m not mistaken shouldn’t he have been doing that all night, especially with Alston out. This was clearly an advantage we should have dominated tonight.
Listen, it is hard to get down on Rondo, particularly because without him, they would be home already. But it gets so frustrating watching him play so passive, especially defensively. His ball pressure was not there from the get go. He didn’t play aggresively on offense either.
Sometimes it seems like he’s just not into the game. If he is not physically tired, he must be mentally tired!
by Dchuck on May 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hum?
Rondo has been like that for the last 2 seasons. If the cause is that he’s mentally tired, then being mentally tired is pretty much a permanent personal trait of him.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lately he’s been playing passively too often. Games 6 and 7 of the Bulls series and the first and third games of this series, he just seemed to be in “la la land”. He was more aggresive in game 2 and we won handily. Phsyically we know what he can do. He just doesn’t seem to be like that night in and night out.
by Dchuck on May 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's never been like that night in and night out
It’s not only lately. That’s why I made this comment:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/5/7/867899/wow-just-wow#15389016
I cringe everytime people start praising Rondo and I get optimistic once I start reading articles and posts bashing him. So, I’d rather this article wasn’t written.
As soon as Jeff wrote an article over-reacting to a good game from Rondo, I knew bad things would be happening sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, it was really soon.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. He’s been inconsistent his entire career – and that’s why he’s not on the level of Paul and Williams.
by CoachBo on May 8, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I guess it is my fault then, blame me
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on May 8, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuckle. Nah. Not your fault.
With that said, Rondo’s at a crossroads of sorts on the greatness thing. He’s got to figure out soon that he has to come to play every night, and he’s got to do it soon – or we’re looking at a career plateau here.
by CoachBo on May 8, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I love him too much
he CAN’T fail now, it would kill me
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on May 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love winning, Jeff.
And frankly, I see a lot of immaturity in Rondo’s game. At some point, he’s got to grow up and realize that taking possessions – and games – off is going to be damaging to his career.
The lack of effort and intelligence he displays sometimes is shocking.
by CoachBo on May 9, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the SI Cover Jinx
Which is explained by regression towards the mean. And Rondo’s mean is not yet at the D. Williams/C. Paul level.
by cordobes on May 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His inability to play consistently night in and night out is a growing concern. At some point, he’ll have to focus in and moderate the wild swings in his game or he’s not going to grow further as a player.
by CoachBo on May 8, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
Rondo has been like that for the last 2 seasons. If the cause is that he’s mentally tired, then being mentally tired is pretty much a permanent personal trait of him.
Mark down this time and date. I AGREE with Cordobes.
Actually, I’ve been saying this all year. It doesn’t matter who Rondo is guarding. It could be the slowest human on earth. He never keeps his man in front of him.
I think the worst thing that could have ever happened was putting Rondo on the All-defense team.
It just reinforces his bad habits.
by Jaycelt on May 9, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mark down this time and date. I AGREE with Cordobes.
Holly cow. I hope you aren’t a betting man.
by cordobes on May 9, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's not so much mentally tired..
but thinking too much, if that’s possible. From the weei celtics blog before the game -
those lines Rajon Rondo spent a good bit of time studying film on Johnson. "I don’t think they really change that much," he said. "He’s a professional point guard. Johnson is more of a scorer than Rafer. A lot of people underestimate him, but I’ve been doing my research. He runs the show. He’s been around for a long time. I’ve got to be ready." [/quote]http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/no-rafer-but-no-change/
He did his research, but still got outplayed. Maybe he is better off when playing intuitively.
by Pengaloo on May 8, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense retarded, offense impaired, coaching ....
what coaching? If Red watched this game, he would walk out of his grave and smacked each and every Celtics, starting with Perkin followed by Ray Allen.
As a fan, it was so frustrated to watch a group with that much talent played like a group of siss——
by 33-32-00 on May 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no blame- they were outplayed in every phase. we were constantly beaten off the dribble. it’s a long season and if we keep this up, it will be very short from here.
by nazzbo on May 8, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN HALFTIME HIGHLIGHTS
DIDN’T EVEN MENTION THE PERK PLAY AND DIDN’T EVEN SHOW IT…NOBODY BROUGHT IT UP…ARE WE MAKING TOO MUCH OF THIS?
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we are
There will be no suspension. Period.
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the key to beating orlando
is taking lewis out of the game….i have come to that conclusion
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.. and Turkoglu.
When Hedo and Rashard go, so go the Magic.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on May 8, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody hear what doc had to say?
can’t stomach watching the highlights
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when rondo keeps his man infront of him he;s a good defender but when he plays from behind he’s medicore at best. for us to win ray and rondo have to play well. 3-13 won’t do it
by Red2 on May 8, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we alrights with forcing game 7s?
we’ll we are, for the first time, down 1-2.
If all home team won this game from now on… Magic would take it in 6. My bad.
by mjohnson on May 8, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is the first time boston has trailed this
late in a series….new water here….sunday is a MUST
by celticinorlando on May 8, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perk's forearm
It was Perk’s forearm, right? Into the upper part of Pietrus’ chest? I watched it just a couple of times, am I off base here? Of all of the flagrants that have been called, this one honestly seems to be the least egregious. Again, I haven’t gone back to watch the angles, but I would be shocked if he’s suspended after that (especially, as mentioned previously, in light of Mr. Bryant’s unsuspended antics)…
by Hal Jordan on May 8, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again, we are a team that lives and dies by defensive effort
By all appearances the Celtics are gassed. rondo, pp, ray, even davis. rotations would seem to be increasingly important as the series goes on. Perhaps soon, lack of confidence in bench guys will be out weighed by sheer fatigue of the main 6. we’ll see sunday…
by jyrecelts on May 8, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uhm
the rule is clear re: suspensions. kobe did NOT hit about the shoulders and Perkins did. that doe not mean Perkins will be suspended but the two plays are not comparable as far as the NBA ruling which theoritically should be followed. the fact that Howard WAS suspended for something similar tells me Perkins will be as well. There is no way to defend that suspension without issuing one to Perkins. also there is a bit of accrued karma from the two Rondo plays. My guess is that he’ll be suspended.
by lakersbluedevil on May 8, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
the rule is clear re: suspensions. kobe did NOT hit about the shoulders and Perkins did. that doe not mean Perkins will be suspended but the two plays are not comparable as far as the NBA ruling which theoritically should be followed.
So Artest’s throat is below his shoulders? Interesting. Perhaps someone should turn this information into Ripley’s believe it or not.
by Jaycelt on May 9, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um...
1. kobe’s hit was intentional…he wound up and hit artest. the whole argument about it being two guys scrapping for a ball works and kobe’s lucky that is the case because its the only reason he didn’t get suspended. he should have, but whatever, at least there is sort of an argument one can make. but, you box out with your arms, not your elbows.
2. the throat is above the shoulders.
by guy incognito on May 9, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guidelines are there
… to help the refs assess intent. There are no “rules”. Each case is individual. No way will there be a suspension. Too silly.
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe...
…got away with rape, so he’ll get away with anything. That’s not whining, it’s just a fact of life. Too bad, because he is a great player (yes, Boston fans can admit that) who doesn’t need all the advantages he gets. Same goes for LeBron. I’d rather have LBJ win it all, though, because at least he’s a team player. I’ll leave you with this: WE’LL BE BACK!
by Amager Celtic Fan on May 9, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how you guys don't see what's right in front of you
Kobe missed the throat – why are you so focussed on denial of that?
by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yes
someone mentioned that the Celts look tired. from a third party observer, that seems be the quiet issue, that and the lack of frontcourt size. defensive intensity=energy/bench, two items which Celts possess little of.
the magic are getting away with playing second and thrid string players and still winning. Sunday another player returns, i think the math favors orlando to close out the series easily.
by lakersbluedevil on May 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Out of frustration, Perk did make one big mistake that could really put this series in jeopardy: with 10:15 to go in the 4th, Perk threw an elbow at Michael Pietrus’ throat/chest. This immediately drew a flagrant 1, but after looking at the play again… there is a chance the folks doling out 1-game suspensions might want to hand one to Perk, too. If Perk is suspended for game 4, who on earth is going to guard Dwight Howard?
By the way, all 12 players had a negative +/- rating tonight: Perk and Rondo were both -20. Ouch. There wasn’t any consistent offensive production (except maybe Eddie: 6-7 FG). Ray Allen: what the hell is going on? 3-13 FG? 0-5 3pt? Paul Pierce: His bright spot tonight was being aggressive enough to penetrate and draw fouls: 14-14 from the stripe. 6-15 from the field otherwise… Where can we get the bulk of our scoring if not here?
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by jontookem on May 9, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We AREN'T who you thought we were.
Ok.
Let me first off say that I’m sorry for my post.
I have been and will try to be polite on your messageboard.
But after the Rajon Rondo frigging love fest for the past two days, all I have to say is where are you now?
Step up to the plate.
I read all the posts after game two, and my God, I’ll swear that some of you would have french kissed the man if you could.
Where are you now?
If you’re going to be orgasmic over the man, don’t stop now, just because he sucked for a game. If it were possible for men to have babies, I would have sworn that some of you on this messageboard would have stood in line to be impregnated by Baby Michael Jackson.
Here’s a few things for you all to consider.
1. Regardless of whether Orlando wins or loses this series, in my humble opinion, you should NEVER call Orlando soft again. Orlando punched you in the mouth tonight. Period. Don’t blame the refs. Don’t blame the announcers. Do you taste this? This is what it feels like to get punched in the mouth.
2. Keep shooting Roller Girl Eddie. Please. Be lights out on a night that clearly doesn’t matter. Law of averages. And what’s awesome, if you are a Magic fan, is that when it does matter, the law of averages will bring him back down to earth. That said, Roller Girl is shooting his butt off, and you have to tip your hat to him. Even if his socks are all the way up to his adam’s apple.
3. Shut up about the refs. Roller Girl grabbed D12’s package, and D12 was called for the foul. In fact, D12 wound up with 5 fouls too. How did that happen? Same refs. You got rolled tonight, and Orlando didn’t cry about the refs in game 2, so do yourself a favor, and stop looking like sissies. After all, Orlando is soft……..aren’t they?
4. Perk=gone for game 4. Anything less, and I call bullcrap.
5. Boston is who we thought they were.
6. You guys don’t have Garnett. We don’t have Nelson. Two allstars out. Consider it a wash.
7. If you are a Celtic fan, and you aren’t nervous…….well. You should be.
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I almost forgot
I want to hear from all the Celtic fans who proudly came on this messageboard and proclaimed (as if they knew what they were talking about) that Orlando can only shoot three’s. How did it feel to see drive after drive to the bucket tonight.
I thought all we did was shoot threes?
Or was I just mistaken?
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you are wrong about suspension
It’s a no-brainer for the league. No suspension. (Read my posts above if you wanna know why.)
by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando is soft
Your team “punched out” a sleepwalker tonight. Congratulations! Cherish the memory, because you’ll need it after the Celts send your boys home…
BTW, don’t bother apologizing in advance for trolling — it is what it is, and after the C’s put the kibosh on your lads, it’ll be a fun read!
by Hal Jordan on May 9, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be a troll if.....
I hadn’t come on this board after game 2 and gave the Celtics mad props for beating us badly. The only real point I was trying to make is that after game 2, all I saw and read was the fact that Rondo was a god.
Read it for yourself.
Funny how I don’t hear the love letters after this game.
And P.S. I am cherishing two wins so far. One in your crib. No, we haven’t won a championship, and no, we haven’t won a title, and we may not even win this series. But there will be a smile on my face from ear to ear if we’re responsible for sending Baby Michael Jackson and Roller Girl to the offseason. Both of them are great players, but both are punks. In my humble opinion!
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you did?
funny…i never saw you post….
by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"6. You guys don’t have Garnett. We don’t have Nelson."
KG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nelson as far importance to the team goes. Don’t do those pills, please.
by Amager Celtic Fan on May 9, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many games
did you watch while Nelson was healthy? Sure, K.G. has all the experience and leadership to warrant hall of fame and accolades out the yang. BUT…to minimize how huge of a loss Nelson is to this Magic team is assinine. Team captain, all star, point guard. Dude was playing more than huge for us up until his injury.
Just like K.G.
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you comparing the importance
of KG vs nelson is just a joke right? boston had a healthy KG and orlando had a healthy nelson…boston wins in 5 or 6 games…i mean look what boston did to orlando when both teams had them..boston blew the magic out twice
by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
orlando gets swept by the cavs
they are a soft euro team
by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more about the Magic
Are they smart enough to play in the paint first and foremost as in games 1 and 3, or dumb enough to settle for jumpers as in game 2?
by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to call taht a wash
then you are on something illegal my friend. Nelson = KG are you serious??? Is Nelson a lock for the HOF? Was he defensive player of the year? Did you not find a guy that could step in for him? You lost all credibility with that. Before comming on to an NBA board, you should try to learn soemthing about the game and the players in it.
Enjoy this while it lasts, win or lose, next year is going to see a very strong team
by angryguy77 on May 9, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty funny Garnett and Nelson being out is a wash
Of Garnett and Nelson were playing, Celtics would win in 5 games at most. Get lost.
by vinnie on May 9, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THESE MAGIC FANZ ARE FUNNY...
ya we got beat down tonight..yer right..you guys act like you just one the title-!!
how many titles does orlando have??
oh – thatz right- i forgot – ZERO – in orlando they hang banners – but not the NBA CHAMPION TYPE BANNERS!!!
enjoy yer win moronz – you might even win the series..and if you do- you will
have fun with the beat down queen james and his fellow clownz will be serving up-
by CELTICZ4LIFE on May 9, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orlando will not win the series
Simply won’t happen… they should have dropped confetti tonight, because this is as close as they get to sniffing a ring.
Maybe next year!
by Hal Jordan on May 9, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ray doesnt concern you guys?
Whats the deal with him? Aside from his clutch shots past games, he’s been shooting like complete crap. If this continues might as well forget about the series (he’s huge to us)
"....you can't handle The Truth"
by kheeko on May 9, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO floor leadership
it was obvious in Game 3 that there was no leadership on the court. Once KG was out, things fell apart in both ends of the court far too often. Rondo wanted to be the floor leader, but honestly, he is still not there. PP has the credential to be the floor leader, but his performance, body language say he does not want to be the leader night in and night out.
by 33-32-00 on May 9, 2009 4:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm frustrated by this loss
The Celtics played defense the first quarter and then got totally outplayed.
As expected they overlooked Anthony Johnson and his dunk on the second possession of the game showed that this mistake was going to hurt us in the game… because Rondo kept overlooking him and he made him pay.
Bad shooting performance from Ray, even if he attempted more layups than usual, it was a poor night from him and if he doesn’t bounce back in game 4 we’re done. On the contrary I was glad to see House continue his unbelievable shooting performance, but it’s too bad that it came in a loss.
I’m worried about Perkins for game 4. He doesn’t deserve to be suspended but I’m sure the league will suspend him because it was an elbow (though not intentional and in a play) and to avoid controversy after the Rondo story.
2-1 for Orlando, game 4 is a must win, I’m still confident.
by Drucci on May 9, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondo
Rondo bashing or Rondo Praising…Gee, the guy didn’t get a triple double…What a bum…Celts would not be playing in 2nd round without him. And he is as consistent or even more so than any of the other players on the team. The reason the Celts are having a tough time is that without Kg, there is no defense, and with out it the Celts are not a championship team.
by kilroy on May 9, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i love some of these magic fans
that come over hear all big and bad….where were you after game 2? so now you want to come here and get mouthy?? be here when you lose and you will get some respect….does all this matter? winner of this series gets beat in 5 by the cavs….
BTW even if boston loses do you think they are going to disappear next year? with KG back healthy? what has orlando ever done?? you beat us congrats….without our best deensive player and key 6th man….but lets keep things in context…..you are still just the orlando magic…
by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for new thread, Jeff
This one is too toxic, too negative…and out of conTROLL!
by Title 18 on May 9, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think winning one of the two home game can be called momentum.
I also don’t think losing one on the road will lose your momentum.
by k lazy on May 9, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thus, the perfect headline. Thank you Jeff...
Now if Daryl and Patrick would stick their chewing gum quality posts (ya gotta scrape ’em off yer feet, know what I mean?) on TQC (sorry you gotta deal widdem erivera7) we can get back to basketball.
by jyrecelts on May 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Daryl isn't a member of 3QC.
.. he has 3 posts on the site. No one considers him part of the community.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on May 9, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando fans just make me laugh in general
The franchise that brought Hooterville to the pros might make it to the ECF and the fans are in heaven. What a riot. With 17 championships, we set a lot higher standards in Boston.
by vinnie on May 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, I just want to take the time to apologize for the behavior for one of our members.
.. like I said above, I appreciate those of you that have come over to 3QC to engage in thoughtful discussions about the series. I don’t want one person to ruin the perception of an entire community. For that, I’m sorry.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on May 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
appreciate your posts...
you talk hoops win or lose and make good points…like your blog and and enjoy posting over there…
by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In context my friends!
Since erivera7 is quick to disown me, I must point out that I came on this board after game 2, when the Magic got pummeled.
I didn’t whine, I didn’t cry about the ref’s. In fact, I called Alston’s head slap bush leage at best.
I want to apologize if I’ve offended anybody personally, which I have gone out of my way not to, except for Baby Michael Jackson and Roller Girl House. LOL
And, if you read my other posts after game 2, I said that if Garnett and Nelson were both healthy, the Celtics would win the series.
I was merely pointing out that you guys are down an all star, and we’re down an all star, so to speculate is pointless.
And more to the point, subtracting an all star from each team is a wash. I mean, Nelson was an all star this year, and having a huge year….right?
I do know a little about basketball.
Lastly, I can take more than I dish out. All of my posts are intended to be light spirited and funny. If you take them in any other way, it is not my intention.
Good luck to you guys in the next game, and if we lose, I welcome all jabs and pithy comments. Like I said, I can dish it, but I can also take it.
Lighten up!! You guys are the defending World Champs!!!
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its not a wash
The defeinition of a wash is that they are equal and presence on the team is equal. Your team found a replacement, mabey not as good but filled their gap. We were not so lucky. YOur tone is not so much as a ha ha jab to us. Believe me most on this site can take it, we were pathetic for many years and had to take our lumps. But to come and talk smack because of a win is under these circumstances is absurd. tell me please where your tema wuold have placed this year with the amount of injuries. With the bs that happend we still beat your team out for secons seed. i know its ref season ,but you know that with kg on the court we own you. Its not even a contest. remember the second game where orlando was going to come out and show they were right with us in the res season? We crushed you. So dont act like this team of yours is so much better than us, because its not. Yes you may win the series, but dont let this get your hopes up for next year. Our role players grew by leaps and bounds with kg’s injury. Moral of the story is that our bench will be stronger next year and KG will be back with a vengence.
by angryguy77 on May 9, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last time.
I didn’t only come on when we won. I started posting on this site after our butt kicking in game 2, which is the complete opposite of people who only trash talk after they win.
And, conjecture doesn’t mean anything.
Words like If and would have or should have don’t show up in the box score.
by darylglen on May 9, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont care
you can give all the props you want when your team loses, but it still doesnt give an excuse to come on here and beat your chest like a fool. I read the posts, and there really isnt any sort of class in them.
One last time
I dont see how anyone can feel good about beating us. You act as though you are beating the team that won the finals last year. If we lose, then so be it, orlando has the better team in this series, however, it will be a win over a depleted team that is missing a few wheels. Win a series againgst a top tiered team with its pieces and then crow all you want. But until then, you guys are still pretenders.
by angryguy77 on May 9, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big deal if they want to gloat a little, I can take that. Just dont keep daying the same thing over and over. That turns into something else. But this guy is basically calling us out with his Rondo comments is crossing the line imo and Im not going to let someone try to needle us and not get called on it. Its not about beating your chest, its about how you do it. Nobody wants to hear that crap repeatedly. His comments were all the same.
As far as last year goes, you need to get over it and stop making comparisons to everything we say here to what was said last year. But Ill humor you. Bynum would not have made the finals go another direction last year. You know that and any other knowledgable fan knows that. What is with you fans of other teams trying to make comparisons with losing a guy to us losing KG? You also forget that we do not have Powe either which has shortend our bench. Bynum does not have the same impact on the lakers as KG does with us. Please stop with the comparisons, you guys are still a title contender w/o him. You can see how we are w/o KG, its not the same.
Further the amount and timing of all our injuries has taken a huge toll on this team as you can see from their energy level. The starters had to play way too much this year because of it. I dont recall the Lakers having to have an ambulance follow their team around for the last half of a season so stop with the you guys are whineres. If orlando wins this series Ill tip the hat to them. they did what they had to do. But I would not act like we dominated a healthy C’s team in my celebration. If orlando goes on to beat the Cavs, then that would be something to go crazy about, but as I said they need to beat a healthy/ contender before they prove anything.
You can mock Bostons team concept all you want, but you know that your boy could learn a thing or two from it. Mabey you would still have Shaq and winning titles if Kobehad that mentality. This team is still around that philosophy, but you still have to have you team assembled to win and not in street clothes. This team has not cashed it in yet, did the last series look like a team that isn’t doing what it can to win? W/o this concept, there is no way that 3 hof work together like they did and win a title.
And yes the lakers are still soft and they will always be soft(cheap shots dont make you tough btw).
by angryguy77 on May 10, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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