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Perkins Flagrant Foul Will Be Evaluated

Via the Daily Dime:

That play brings us back to one of the topics that has been a major theme of the 2008-09 postseason: The elbow rule. And what we've learned is if you strike an opposing player above the shoulders with a malicious elbow, you're getting a one-game suspension.

Dwight Howard knows that rule now, because it's what kept him out of Game 6 of the first round. Kobe Bryant knows it, too, because the only reason he was playing in Friday's Lakers-Rockets game was because his flagrant elbow against Ron Artest struck Artest in the top of the chest, missing his neck by inches.

"Certainly in this case had he made contact in the head area, we'd be evaluating it on a different level," said NBA vice president of operations Stu Jackson of the Bryant elbow on Thursday. And in the rulebook as well as in practice, "the head area" is everything above shoulder level.

So if Stu sticks with his own precedents, it's going to be bad news for a Boston front line already undermanned and undersized, because Perkins, the C's starting center, is going to be watching Sunday's Game 4 from somewhere other than the Amway Arena.

Celtics Hub has a different evaluation:

Matt Moore covered this nicely on Hardwood Paroxysm today. Flagrants that have sent guys to the hospital (or, ahem, bloodied up Brad Miller’s face before crucial foul shots) have not resulted in suspensions–because they were “plays on the ball” that didn’t look like unseemly attempts to injure someone. On the other hand, mean-looking elbow swings (hi, D12) that make minimal contact and silly-looking slaps that look bad or have bad intentions behind them–that’s where the league is coming down hard. 

Perk’s flagrant doesn’t fall into the latter category, and Pietrus did not get hurt. Under the standards the league has set in the last two weeks, Perk doesn’t deserve a suspension. And just so we’re clear, the league’s elbow rules mandate an ejection for any elbow above the shoulder level, not a suspension. Suspensions are at the commish’s discretion in these cases.

So do you think he will be suspended? Should he be?

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dumb move

dumb move by Perk. Couldn’t believe it when I saw it. I’m sure he was trying to put it in the guy’s chest but went high.

Based on how other people are earning suspensions, this move will merit one too.

by slamtheking on May 9, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

above the shoulders...

if this is the measuring stick for suspension, then all the players are going to have to do is intentionally lower their bodies creating contact in the neck/head region.

Pietrus did this on the play AND flopped. If you reward this behavior, you are just going to encourage more of it.

and take the deciding factors in games further and further away from actual basketball plays and ability.

I say this knowing it is an overreaction to something that hasn’t even happened yet, but if they suspend Perk, I’d consider playing the game in protest and starting and playing bench players.

Give PP, Ray and Rondo (along with Perk) the extra rest and make a statement to the league in the process.

someone’s got to put the spotlight on this nonsense…..if it actually materializes.

by winsomme on May 9, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

This game won't even be worth watching

I hope the NBA is happy that in the playoffs they are taking away any fan enjoyment because we can’t watch the players play! I hope everyone turns off their TV and spends time with their Mom if this happens! Happy Mothers Day.

by klg05 on May 9, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Ridiculous

(1) Kobe clearly did hit Artest in the neck. It’s on the tape.
(2) If the contact was accidental, as part of regular play, they do not suspend. They suspend for actions like Fischer’s or Alston’s… purposeful hits.
(3) This was a flagrant 1 at most, it was called properly in the game, and there it will end. The rest is nonsense.

by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Wrong

Don’t understand why you are trying to revise history, but Kobe’s elbow was not in the neck.

I will be surprised if Perk gets suspended for merely having his elbow out, there was no swing, and it will only happen if the league has become sensitive to the complaints of a double standard wrt the Celtics due to Rondo’s getting a walk in the Hinrich and Miller incidents

by nba is the worst on May 9, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or, we can make a statement by playing with urgency, will, focus, and anger like we should have done in every single game.

The league and the refs are obviously affecting the game, but is that something that’s going to stop now? It’s up to us to adapt… if we’re not going to get calls – we just have to play better. Standing around arguing with refs while the game’s still going, not playing defense because we’re still caught up with missed calls… that doesn’t help us in this uphill battle.

by Pengaloo on May 9, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately...

I think Perkins will be suspended, though he shouldn’t be because his elbow was non intentional and occurred on a basketball play.

by Drucci on May 9, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he's gone...

I don’t think he should be, but if the league deems the play to be intentional, I think there’s going to be a suspension. As Po and I were discussing yesterday, basketball plays like this are something I don’t have a huge problem with.

As for the rules, if the officials don’t impose a mandatory ejection, they give a suspension. That’s how it works.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on May 9, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

must not watch tv

if perk isn’t on the floor…

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on May 9, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I am Mad as Hell!!

A Modified Quote from Howard Beale from the movie Network

"All I know is, you’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, “I’m a human being, godda@%n it. The old NBA had value.” So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, “I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!”

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on May 9, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

...whoa

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on May 9, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes ..he will be suspended

and boston will lose game 4..win game 5 and hopefully six…but if perk sits this series is over

by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh

Just get Howard suspended for game 5. At some point, the chance will present itself.

by cordobes on May 9, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

What is lame?

It’s true. Plays like this are easy to create on a basketball court. Players stick their forearms and elbows out all of the game; contact will happen. Heck, Lee is playing with a mask because Howard hit him. Pietrus exaggerated the hell out of that contact in order to take advantage of it; if the league is going to reward that kind of behaviour, you have to play according to the rules they set.

by cordobes on May 9, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Suckers

I think the league officials are gullible chumps whose temperatures change with the direction of the breeze if they cannot tell the difference between head-hunting and flopping. The NBA isn’t about basketball; it’s about entertainment. Entertainment is all about appearances and not about substance. Disgusting, just disgusting…

by BleedinGreen417 on May 9, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is what it is. I am much more concerned about this club’s total inability to focus in back to back games. Count Perkins among the unfocused Friday night. Couldn’t win – or really, be any more than briefly competititve – with him.

by CoachBo on May 9, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

homerism?? where?

i said perk prolly gets suspended…how is that homerism? where have i made excuses? boston played awful last night…find one post in this thread where i have made an excuse…

by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Perk will likely be suspended

I hate to say that, and it definitely was a half-flop by Pietrus, but I think the league will be under pressure to suspend and will. And thus, the series will likely come to an end. At least the Orlando troll is smart enough to know that with both KG and Nelson in this series, Celtics would win. I think they would have swept on won in 5. However, if Perk is out tomorrow, the C’s will go down in either 5 or 6.

by vinnie on May 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i tend to think boston would have gotten the

1 seed if they would have had KG and powe from the all star break on

by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

RULING JUST IN

VIA THE GLOBE:
Boston center Kendrick Perkins was called for a flagrant foul Friday after his elbow hit Orlando’s Mickael Pietrus in the chin in the fourth quarter of the Celtics’ Game 3 loss to the Magic. An NBA spokesman said today, however, that the ruling stands and he will not be suspended.

by celticinorlando on May 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Video

shows Kobe’s elbow hit the upper chest, then slid up to the neck. The guidelines say ejection is warranted for “An elbow foul which makes contact above shoulder level” (regardless of where the elbow hit first). Also: “Elbow fouls, which make contact above shoulder level, and punching fouls, although recorded as both personal and team fouls, are unsportsmanlike acts. The player will be ejected immediately.”

Now… there are specific rules for, say, punching fouls, fighting, leaving the bench, etc., which clearly state that the player will be suspended (like Alston). There is nothing in the guidebook that says the league will suspend a player who should have been ejected in the game. In this instance, suspension will only come if the foul is upgraded to a flagrant 2. For flagrant 2, they like to see wind-up and follow-through, which did not exist. Therefore, no suspension. It was actually a very minor play.

Now the league has the power to do whatever it wants. But historically, they don’t suspend unless the rules and/or guidelines specifically require it.

by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ooops

Guess the news just came in :)

by DRJ1 on May 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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