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Good News From Wyc

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After the gentle criticism of Wyc yesterday, it's time to focus on some positive words from him:

Grousbeck also said the stated intentions of Ainge and Rivers to sign a veteran free agent or two this summer are not hollow.

The checkbook, he said, will be open for the right player, regardless of luxury tax ramifications.

"We’re planning to look for ways to improve our team," Grousbeck said. "We’re willing to invest in the right way. If it’s the right situation and the right player, then we’ll do it.

"I think we all have someone in mind right now," he said of some of the names that are about to become free agents. "We’re willing to consider all sorts of ways if it means winning Banner 18."

That is very, very good news, and if Wyc is true to his word, in a few months nobody will be in the least concerned with the team's misdirection regarding the KG injury.

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Three cheers for money bags Wyc!!

HIP HIP…

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 1, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Hooray!

Who do we think it could be? How about Okur or Andre Miler?

Anything is Possible!!!!!

by celtsrp33 on Jun 1, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets See

I believe Wyc is genuine and is a true fan but also a businessman. So I do believe they will open the checkbook for the right player but there has to be limitations based on thier current payroll.

by Petro03 on Jun 1, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s nice to hear an owner speak this way. But everybody needs to be on the same page. If Danny signs a player, but Doc does not play him, or plays him incorrectly, then it’s a wasted acquisition. Likewise, Danny and Doc, as well as the players I think, need to be sincere about what is best for the team. Doc says he wants veterans, but what coach doesn’ t say that?

The other side of the coin is that I hope the plan is to continue to produce a winner and not simply sacrifice the future for a chance now.

by amenhotep04 on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t really find his misdirection that much of a problem. I mean, the Celtics are new to the success Boston sports is having. They’re trying to manage this surge in fan base and media attention after the monster trades for the Big 3. Before that? The Celtics were a shadow of the ‘best franchise in basketball’ they held for so long. Now they’re one of the most covered teams in the league. They’re trying to emulate other Boston franchises, which happen to be some of the best franchises in their respective sports. Are they successful at it? Maybe trying to be Hoodie didn’t work out as planned, but at least their head is in the right place. The above quotes from Wyc give me confidence in knowing that he wants the Celtics to be the winning franchise that they’ve been known throughout history as. It’s exciting and I’m on board – hiccups and all.

by BOSPORTS on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

he's Danny's kinda guy

gonna be Sheed…imagine him & Starbury next year…

by Motown on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes I agree

I’ve been advocating Sheed for a while now and I think he would be the perfect fit behind Perkins and Garnett. It will also allow him to rest his body more playing less minutes and prolong his career.

This makes the most sense out of all the free agents and it will allow Powe to recover at a better rate so that he doesn’t have to speed up his recovery

What this also does, is to allow Glen Davis to sign with another team as Sheed replaces Davis

by Ancient Red on Jun 2, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

unlike the team in 2002

this current crop of c’s are a legit title contender. with a healthy kg and the right veteran pickups, the c’s will cruise to the finals next year

by lowfatalbob on Jun 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Quite true, Roy.

Let’s hope he’s serious.

by CoachBo on Jun 1, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Danny and Wyc

How can ANYBODY say a bad word about Danny and Wyc. After putting the big 3 together and going from 24-58 in 2007 then 66-16 in 2008 and winning The C’s 17th Title that’s quite an accomplishment. Don’t forget Pierce,K.G. and Ray had naver played together before. A great coaching job by Doc Rivers. Then in 2009 they went 62-20 with K.G. and Powe out for a good part of the season. With K.G. or Powe #18 would be on the way this year. It took Orlando and SUPERMAN 7 games to beat the shorthanded Celtics. Orlando beat the Cav’s in 6. As far as who they signed last year there is a salary cap. P.J. Brown instead of Mikki Moore would have been huge but P.J. decided to call it a career and go out on a winning note. There’s nothing wrong with that. Because of the cap they couldn’t match what James Posey got. This year the C’s have more money because K.G. made $24,750,000 last year but will only be paid $19,976,085 this coming season plus the salary cap goes up It will not be Mikki Moore it will be Mikki GONE!!(What a stiff he was)

by Celtics9Lakers2 on Jun 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Grousbeck has been good managing partner

His Dad made the big score, but a good 2nd generation rich kid isn’t a bad thing. He (and his wife) clearly love the Cs as much as I do. That’s who I want my team in the hands of. Guys who think they are worth what their bank account totals up to are better running sports franchises where you have to grossly overpay some of your employees and not lose sleep over it.

by Wildblu1 on Jun 1, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa right. Seeing is believing

by celt4ever on Jun 1, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Addition

I say Nocioni via trade. sheed n Mcdyess via free agent, resign marbury, BBD n Powe = 18th banner baby

by priapus81 on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

wyc is more than a bean counter- he’s a fan. he also likes the spotlight. he also has good management. so he is listening to danny.

by nazzbo on Jun 1, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Who the Celtics Sign

I think any player would love the Celtics making them a fair offer. Would they rather get signed by Clevland where it’s all LeBron, LeBron, LeBron or L.A. where all you hear is Kobe,Kobe,Kobe. On the Celtics it’s THE TEAM.

by Celtics9Lakers2 on Jun 1, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

So what did you expect Wyc to Say?

How many people would buy season tickets if the managing partner said, no we don’t intend to go after any of the veteran free agents because they’re too expensive. We’ll pretend, but we’re not spending the money. We’ll develop the players we have, and if we get knocked out again in the second round, so be it.

There are only a handful of free agents that would have an impact, starting with Rasheed Wallace and Ron Artest. One of those two guys would probably bring another championship, and that’s who they should go after, even if it costs them Ray Allen (directly or indirectly).

Players like Za Za and the vanilla gorilla would help, but they would not assure a championship. A healthy, motivated Sheed would make them odds on favorites.

by Brickowski on Jun 1, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Uhhhhhh

and who is supposed to fill in for Ray Allen?

by whambulance on Jun 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vanilla Gorilla

He is everything the Portland community wants. It would be a major blow if the Blazers let him go, besides, he’s the best center they have!

by Little D on Jun 2, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The key phrase here is "the right player."

They won’t be able to find “the right player” because he won’t come with “right price.” Isn’t that the reason they let Posey go?

by The Real Large James 2 on Jun 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

they were willing to spend on Maggette but not Posey last year

I think this is mostly to say that if a top Free Agent has to settle for the MLE because all the big money has dried up, then we’ll be prepared to get in on the bidding

works for me since I wouldn’t want to overpay for marginal talent anyway

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 2, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have to investigate free agent sign and trades using Ray Allen’s expiring contract, not just using the MLE. They are highly unlikely to get Rasheed Wallace or Ron Artest for the MLE.

Another alternative, which I’ve discussed before, is to trade Ray to Charlotte for a package of good players— if Wyc is willing to take on the contracts. I guess I’d be willing to let Ray go for a Diaw/Diop/Bell package, which fills two of their major holes with one swell foop.

Then they use the MLE or part of it on a decent backup point guard. You might even get Kidd, but if you don’t, there are guys like Bobby Jackson.

by Brickowski on Jun 2, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes But

I remember Wyc got everyone excited when he spoke around the time of the trade/waiver deadline about how they had their target set on players who would make legitimate impacts. Um, yeah.

This isn’t to be dismissive of his statements now — certainly I’m glad that he’s willing to pay for the right talent, that’s much better than so many of the teams that all but announce they’re looking to cut costs — but I’m less impressed by vague-but-optimistic hints that seem mainly designed to keep fans interested. We do a good enough job of that ourselves here, thank you.

by MattD on Jun 2, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a big difference between targeting players as free agents from trades. Anyone who thought we would trade for an impact player last year was dillusional. We had absolutely NO trade chips at all. All we had was trash and nobody was going to give us an impact player for trash. And even then, we’d have rely on another team. Free agency is a different animal altogether.

by droopdog7 on Jun 2, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two Year Window

They have a two year (maybe three if they are lucky) window before Garnett and Pierce get too old. Then it will be time to rebuild.

So if they are going to spend for a good bench, do it now.

by Brickowski on Jun 2, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news

Though we still don’t know who is this free agent that the team clearly wants to sign. I guess it’s McDyess.

by Drucci on Jun 2, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d guess its Grant Hill

by Brickowski on Jun 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Hill, Wallace, Marion, Artest, I’m sure there’s a short list of names they would pony up for.

Agree on two – three window here to still compete for a title. I would believe Danny is already looking 5 years down the line as evidenced by his unwillingness to sign Posey for more than 3 years.

I’m not unconvinced Marbury wont be back either. He still has basketball left and is still trying to prove himself. Dont be shocked if he stays for short money, I doubt he’ll get a serious offer from anyone.

by tmcdon on Jun 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

What did Marbury do that would give anybody the notion that he has any basketball left? Just curious.

by Finkelskyhook on Jun 2, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take 16 months off from playing basketball (at any level) and then run back out there with guys you haven’t played with before adding a tremendous amount of media pressure and fan expectation to it and see if you perform at your top level. I’m not suggesting anyone feel sorry for him (I certainly don’t), but simply credit the impediments to his game that did exist and couple that with the expectations placed on him.

It takes a while. Marbury, for all his assinine behavior, is a great talent. When he played he passed the ball very well (unselfish to a fault), got to the basket very well (although he didn’t finish well), and did shoot well at times. I believe with a training camp and being part of a rotation with a clearly defined role he will excel and be a great bench contributor.

Just an opinion.

by tmcdon on Jun 2, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

If Marbury is back I will be sick. He’s finished. Hate his game.

by Brickowski on Jun 2, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ray Allen stays. He is too high quality a guy. There are certain people that don’t have a price tag. One is Ray Allen. He was signed to a contract and he will play it out.

by johnnymost on Jun 2, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

perhaps

There have been some scenarios discussed where the Cs would be under the cap, but the luxury tax would give them a very high (100 million neighborhood) payroll. I would like to believe that was more of what Wyc is indicating. BTW Wyc made money in his own right in Venture Capital, though just not to the level of his dad.

by Silverlock on Jun 2, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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