Posey is practically washed up. The Hornets massively regret giving him that money.

I don’t really care if it’s Posey specifically or not. Watching what Pietrus and Ariza are doing makes me think that a guy like that would easily be just as valuable as James at MLE money (and younger), but surely, we do need a guy like those 3.

Unfortunately the player James was two years ago is not available. Even by the end of the campaign James wasn’t so great anymore (for all his defensive rep he barely bothered Lebron or Kobe) and saw more and more minutes as a small PF (something that’s not as useful for the current team.) I’ll always be thankful for the 2008 title, but I’ve moved on and so should you – the best projection is that every year James will be a worse player for the remainder of his contract.

Signing Posey to a 4 year deal last summer was dumb…trading for him a year later, would be wicked stupid.

As Mencius notes above, just get a younger version of Posey instead…a guy like Ariza, who’s actually available AND worth the full MLE over 5 years.

How exactly is it a mistake that he didn’t sign him? Not to mention, the cap is either staying the same or getting lower in the next few years. It’s obvious that Nawlins just gave him too many years.

Not sure it’s worth at this stage — Posey’s best year under that contract has already come and gone.

If you go back and research what Danny said about the offers/transactions concerning Posey it came down to the number of years Posey wanted. It wasn’t that Charlotte offered him exceptionally more money, but that they gave him more years than the Celtics were willing to (4 instead of 3). The money, especiialy by NBA standards was not significantly better, unless of course you add the extra year.

Should they make a trade for him? Depends on what else is out there, but you would be silly to think that it isn’t an option on Danny’s board along with looking at a trade for Chandler since everyone seems to know he’s available.

The thing about trades that Danny has repeatedly stated is that “trades are very difficult to do.” He has managed to bring in the personel to hang 17. The year before everyone in the Boston media was ready to lynch he and Doc and run them both out of town.

Have a little faith.

Posey pretty much showed last year why Ainge was smart to let him walk. I have no issue whatsoever with Pose not being a Celtic anymore – they problem was somehow deluding himself into believing that Tony could fill his role (even best-case, Tony doesn’t have the size).

So, no to bringing back Pose…. but yes to Nooch, or Ariza, or anyone else in that vein that we could acquire for expiring contracts/absorption of salary. The salaries of the Pose and Nooch are almost identical over the next three years, but it’s reasonable to expect Nooch be a very productive rotation player over this period while Pose is absolutely slowing down. Give them Giddens, too, if they want a young player back to take a look-see at.

posey is not worth the MLE for 3 more years. go after somebody like ariza or odom with that kind of offer. i love posey, but he shouldn’t be getting paid that much for that many years. plus, as some have mentioned, posey isn’t as good as he was for us last year, and his play will continue to drop off. i’m happy he got that extra year, and i’m happy we didn’t give it to him. the reason we didn’t win the title this year was kg, plain and simple. if kg was healthy, we win with the team we have. had we signed posey, i think right now, we’d be sitting home (after probably losing to cleveland, sans kg) and thinking, man, wish we had posey’s contract money to go after ariza, etc.

Best case scenario for free agency, although I’m not sure it is possible money-wise: Martin Gortat, Trevor Ariza, and Raja Bell. That pretty much covers all of our needs.

Jeff, that is exactly right! To worry about him being overpaid in 3 years is insane unless your name is Wyc Grousbeck (which, admittedly, could be a problem). However, for the average fan, who cares if he’s overpaid in 3 years? The likelihood of this team being a contender in 3 years is very small. The likelihood of them winning next year with Posey is very strong.

Plus, there’s a good chance that Posey is still a strong player for two more years, and then come year three, he’s a valuable expiring contract.

It’s really a no-lose situation, especially if we only give up Tony and Scal, who would be pretty much useless anyway if Posey is back in the fold.

in the espn trade machine, both teams were projected to have worse records after the trade. That’s pretty funny.

Also, what about the fact that if we sign Gortat (or any C) to the full MLE then Perks backup will be making more then him. Does that mean any big man we sign will be in the run for the starting position if he can earn it?

I don’t want Posey back. I’m glad he helped us win in 2008, but I agree with the poster who said he barely bothered Lebron or Kobe. I think we trade our expiring deals we need to get a better/young/more athletic player back. Nocioni would be great.

I don’t think stuff like this works out the second time around.

In any case, we did miss him. I have no doubt we would have beaten Orlando with him in the lineup. For the simple fact that he would have been able to defend Rashard Lewis, not totally stop him, but be more effective. He was not all about defense either. His entrance forces teams to change their defensive schemes, He comes in for KG, defender gotta pick him up outside, opening the lanes for Pierce and Allen, He comes in for Pierce, It allows KG to go 1-1. Comes in for Ray, he can post up and free up the outside shots for Pierce.

Now the reason he was not as effective in New Orleans is simple. He comes in for Peja, no adjustment on defense needs to be made, he comes in for West, he’s just an undersized version, he comes in for Rasual Butler, well…he’s not Ray Allen.

If we trade off Scalabrine, who backs up KG at the four spot? Glen Davis is probably gone, and Leon won’t be around until late, if ever. We may need the serviceable Scalabrine more than the increasingly ancient Posey. And you know Posey can’t be backing up both KG and Pierce simultaneously.

There are limits to everything. We need a backup center (I’m hoping for Gortat or Pachulia) and a backup point guard. We can’t also be fooling around trying to get a back up power forward that’s worth anything.

Forget Posey. Get the center, keep Scalabrine, and hope Bill Walker can be taught to play defense.

I agree with you except that Big Baby will be back. Leon’s knee as much as Baby’s playoff games made that case.
 
Even with Baby, you need Scal. I agree with other blogger that I think Posey’s year proved Danny’s strategy right. Look at the salary box we’re in now. A declining Posey wouldn’t have helped.

Personally I don’t consider it a mistake to let Posey go. I understand the decision and I like the little extra financial flexibility it gives us. Bringing him back would defeat that purpose.
The mistake was the TA experiment. There probably wasn’t anyone as good as Posey available but I’m sure any decent sized wing player could have done a vastly superior job as the back-up 3 and kept PP’s minutes down.

Ainge has got to make this summer. Should he go all in with the MLE on one guy for his bench. Should he split it up and if so will he get full value for that decision. I’m not sure other teams want all of TA, Scal and Eddie on their rosters just to get 8 million worth of expiring contracts. Trading Ray’s 17 million contract would get him back 3 or 4 solid players but is that worth one Ray Allen. It seems like it’s going to have to be bargain hunting again for the bench this summer. Danny’s gonna have to earn his money this summer as the clock’s ticking.

His contract is too fat for the C’s to absorb at this point. Compound that with the fact that’s he’s getting up there in age and is coming off of surgery. I think he was overused by N.O.

C’s are probably looking at Pietrius, Barnes & Ariza. I’d give Bill Walker the nod over Tony Allen at this point. He’s healthy, has size at the wing & probably won’t give Doc a heart attack every time he has the ball. He’s proven he has a defensive mentality & a feisty attitude on D.