maybe if they were going to get blatche or mcgee or butler or jameson back as well, but i hate the idea of trading ray for not one single person that can start!

There seems to be enough smoke billowing that there is actually something brewing beyond just kicking the tires, and Ray Allen might very well be a part of it (like many others, I can’t forget Ainge the player’s comments about aging veterans). But for a 2-guard who can’t shoot? That seems odd.

Still, it would be good time to sell high on Ray IF you get the right package in return. Maybe there’s a three-way deal that makes more sense than any of Ford’s straight up scenarios.

If fans are worried about the future of the franchise – Rondo to the Kings for the #4 (a shot to get Rubio or worst case Evans) and Jason Thompson.

I’ve got no interest in trading Ray Allen for a bench log jam and two prime buy out candidates (Mike James and Etan Thomas) or career under-achiever Andray Blatche.

he’s more scorer than shooter and more combo guard than straight PG or SG. Trading Ray would be great only if the quality return is there and I don’t see Evans as the cornerstone of any trade for Ray as being anywhere near good enough return.

The one thing reported in Ford’s blurb is that he said:

The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return.

I have been pushing a trade with the Kings for a while now and thought so because of money problems with the Maloofs and their working relationship with Danny last season. Ainge kind of bailed them out with his two deals he did last year sending millions of dollars the Kings way. In my ancestral background, if you do a big favor for a Las Vegas hotel owner……yeah, you usually will get a favor in return.

I say explore the possibilities with Sactown Danny and if you get the number 4 look at either Harden or Hill. Hill might just be quick enough and mobile enough to play the 3 as well as the 4 and has a decent mid range game and is a great rebounder. Harden is just a pure scoring shooter with a beautiful shooting form.

He would start at the two. Butler plays the three; the only reason he was playing the two for stretches throughout this season was due to injuries to other players. For Washington, this would be fairly decent — they plug a big hole at the two and get rid of a ton of baggage salary. Arenas-Allen-Butler-Jamison-Haywood is a pretty damn good starting five, especially in the East.

As for the Celtics, this strikes me as a rebuilding move. It’s not a “win within our championship window” move, it’s a move for the future. Allen is obviously declining, with torrid stretches in the playoffs interposed between equally cold stretches, and of the current core, is probably the most disposable player. That said, he is a cold-blooded shooter, and Evans isn’t going to pan out into a player of similar caliber for at least a few years.

All that considered, if KG comes back near-100%, then Boston can probably beat Orlando in the playoffs (a KG/Powe-less Celtics took Orlando to seven). Cleveland is more iffy depending on how their frontcourt turns out after the offseason (with Varajeo opting out and Wallace thinking about retiring), but I’d give Boston a solid chance of getting back. All this makes it more interesting why Ainge would opt for a rebuilding move this soon, especially in such a weak draft.

The Kings one is the only one I’d consider, and that’s only for Rubio, not for Evans.

Do something like add Golden State.

James and Thomas’ last year contracts are sent there for Crawford and Wright or Randolph. Just to make sure the Celtics have a starting SG that can be the number three scorer as they wait for the rookie

Can we please stop throwing his name out there, he his a huge part of what makes this team great. Ray fits in so well here, but is not a marquis guy on a lot of teams, this means no matter what the C’s get ripped off in a trade including him. I want him to be here nailing 3’s winning rings and hitting buzzer-beaters for years to come, the C’s are drastically better with him.

While we’re at it, leave Rondo alone too, we have something special in him, he stays!

trading ray is the only way we get a top 5 pick and that would be taking a step backwards.

first off, Doc doesnt play rookies.

second, we would go from needing backup PG, SF and C to needing a starting SG, backup PG, SF and C because besides hawes, thompson none of those players are worth a damn.

Evans is shown losing a 2009 NCAA Tournament game that propelled the Missouri Tigers to the elite eight!

Don’t know what it is about that particular team, but I felt compelled to make note of this. Good photo choice, Jeff! :-D

-sw

It’s going to be interesting to see how blatantly teams will make decisions based on their finances. Just kind of thinking out loud, but say in that hypothetical Washington deal, it’s more like a 4 way deal in which Tyson Chandler goes to Boston, Etan Thomas goes to NO, and a team like Memphis (ie under the cap—obviously not a lot of teams here fit the bill) gets paid the magic $3M to take on Songaila or James. Maybe some picks and minimum type salaries are thrown in to work things out.

If the Hornets really want to shave salary now and to heck with everything else, that would save them almost $5M. They’d still need to cut a few million (and fill out the rest of the roster at the same time) to get under the luxury tax, but it’d be a start. Not sure if it would be worth it for Memphis (or some such team) but they have to hit a minimum salary requirement if memory serves; not sure what that would be but they get a serviceable player and lower their requirement by $3M. The Cs would end up with Chandler, 5th pick and James/Songaila.

Anyway, I’m not really saying that’s a good way to go or not, but if the financial element starts trumping other factors it’ll be interesting to see if bizarro deals are made. I’m not sure how realistic that is, but a lot of people seem to think the tanking economy is going to drive a lot of things. The fact that New Orleans already tried to just dump Chandler is probably a decent sign of things to come, but I’m not totally convinced.

… and it’s worth mentioning that three out of three Wizards fans agree that #5 and expiring deals are too much to offer for a thirty-four year old Ray Allen in a contract year.

And though the majority of Kings fans like Rondo, and can back up the rumor with some extra Westphal related anecdotal evidence, they aren’t inclined to give up much more than #4 and either Garcia or Nocioni. They almost to a man prefer to keep their Hawes/Thompson front court together.

trading ray allen is not going to make the celtics a championship team now if they make a blockbuster trade lets say ray ray and baby davis for dwayne wade id say lets do it ….