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Big Al to Phoenix?

Big Al for Amare?

Big Al for Amare?

Big Al will always be a Celtic to me, so I hope that if this happens, it works out for him.  Marc Spears reports:

An NBA executive told the Boston Globe today that the Minnesota Timberwolves is working a deal with the Phoenix Suns that would send former Celtics forward Al Jefferson and their sixth pick in next week's NBA Draft for All-Star Amare Stoudemire.

The Suns, which have dangled Stoudemire for some time, fiound [sic] a suitor in Minnesota that is in transition. The team announced today that coach Kevin McHale has ended his 15-year association with the team. New basketball of operations David Kahn is looking to take the franchise into another direction.


I can't imagine why Minnesota would do this, unless they're intent on making a "splash".  Amare' is a dynamic player, but Big Al is a classic post player and a better rebounder than Stoudemire.  Hopefully at some point in his career, we can see Big Al back in green.  That's a trade rumor with Phoenix I wouldn't mind seeing.

Update: The guy that originally floated the Rondo to the Suns rumors is calling this rumor a "a total BS made up rumor with no legs." (h/t Red's Army)

Call me crazy, but I think I trust Marc Spears more than this guy.

- update by Jeff

Update #2 Marc Spears is now reporting that the above trade won't happen.  Phoenix made the offer to Minnesota, but Minnesota has rejected it.

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Would you have done the rumored Phoenix deal (Rondo and Ray for Amare', Barbosa, and the #14) if Amare' could be flipped for Big Al and the #6?
Yes
1103 votes
No
912 votes

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Roy, what are the re-trade rules?

How soon could Phoenix spin Al for cap relief?

by CoachBo on Jun 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There are two different rules...

1) They can trade him by himself at any time;

2) They can trade him in combination with other players after two months

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I'm sure

the Celtics could shoehorn in a 3 way deal if they wanted to

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt trade Big Al for Amare straight , much less throw in a lottery pick on top of it.

Am i missing something here, I know Amare is a great player, but he doesnt score that much more than Al, both dont play defense, and Al is a far superior rebounder.

I guess they both have injury question marks around them, but I would assume Amare is still the bigger risk. I dont know whats going through Minnys mind throwing in their draft pick.

………also, I feel bad for Al that he got traded again, but it might be blessing in disguise for him to get out of Minnesota.

by greg683x on Jun 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Minny sees Amare and Love as better front court mates, then Jeff and Love. Shaq must be moving on if they do this – I can’t see Shaq and Jeff together in the front.

by Brendan on Jun 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

New Direction Looks a Lot Like the Old Direction

So they’re going to give up Jefferson and the sixth pick to rent Amare for one year on a team with no hope of competing in the West? Makes a lot of sense. Maybe Minnesota is trying to clear cap space for 2010 to lure all those big time free agents that want to come there. Sound plan all around.

by hankfinkel on Jun 17, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said, hank...

Minnesota is a mess. They have a nice young core, and they should be supplementing it with veterans, not blowing up the team.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree hank

good post

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Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jun 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minnesota assets

The Wolves, because they will not be a big free agent draw, need to take advantage of moving against the tide this offseason. They have at least $25M in various size expiring deals, more depending on who’s options they pick up, and the 6th, 18th, and 28th picks in the draft. While the draft may be weak, somebody will have a veteran with 2-3 years left that they’d like to move, and probably somebody at one or more of those picks they’d like to pick up for future development.

As you say Roy, a decent core calls for some veteran supplements and moving in the right direction. They can do so and still have a bunch of cap room in 2010, and although they won’t get any top shelf guys, on that next tier down they could pick up guys who want a half decent payday. Jefferson, Love and Foye with some veteran help could be ok eventually. Not sure what else they think they can do to bring that much value. They package some of these expiring deals, with a couple of these picks, maybe a future pick, or one or two of their second tier young guys and they could actually get a pretty good veteran on that team.

by hankfinkel on Jun 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they should offer cardinals expiring $7m contract and one of there late 1st rounders for hinrich.

this would be a huge upgrade to the starting unit, would improve teams 3’s %, defense.

the other need they really have is center. with several other expiring contracts and two more 1st rounders they could land a decent one. camby, kaman, chandler, pryzbilia,etc…

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 17, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like Minnesota’s young core.

by Who on Jun 18, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad trade for minny

big al has come into his own and i doubt amare signs and extension with minny.

i think minny has a decent base team they need a real PG and C.

big al and the #6 for an amare rental is not a good deal.

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Suns

Why are they trying to trade Amare and Shaq but not trying to move the huge contract of Richardson?

by Evantime34 on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

richardson plays defense

kerr wants a defensive team. he drafted robin lopez, signed stromile swift, traded for richardson.

if/when amare and shaq are traded look for it to be for guys who can play some defense.

if i was the kerr, id be offering amare to the pistons for prince, affalo, (draft pick?)…might need fillers from either team.

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You like Prince + Affalo better than Big Al + #6?

Or are you assuming this doesn’t happen?

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, the suns would be fools to turn down that trade.

if i was kerr that deal would be accepted already. i think prince/affalo has a better chance of being accepted. i cant see minny completing that trade for 1 year of amare.

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 17, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Can't be Straight Up

Jefferson for Amare doesn’t work on trade machine.

by Evantime34 on Jun 17, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about that...

Minnesota is under the cap, aren’t they? Under those circumstances, they can take back more salary than they send out.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are at $50m

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 17, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what they have for cap holds...

… I’m too lazy to look. They can probably pull this trade off straight up, but if not, they only need to add $1.2 – $1.3 million in contracts.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they might move Richardson. A lot of talk out here indicates his days are numbered in Phoenix. Jerry Colangelo wouldnt have stood for the shit J Rich pulled and I think there is a lot of pressure on Steve Kerr.

by schmalzilla on Jun 17, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"No" has the early lead in the poll, huh?

Hmm… I’m thinking Big Al, Barbosa, Tyreke Evans (or whoever), and BJ Mullens (or whoever) would have been a pretty darn fair trade.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like "Yes" is pulling away now...

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just dont see it

we would be in more of a mess.

we lose are best shooter and our starting point and dont free up any money.

doc doesnt play rookies for whatever reason.

barbosa is far from a PG.

i guess if we had to we could use pierce at SG, garnett at SF, big al at PF and perk at C.

if we could land kidd, bibby or a.miller for the MLE (very unlikely) it might be worth doing.

i guess maybe we could package barbosa, scal, tony ($12.5m combined, with .25% trade $15.6m) and one of the picks for a PG if we had too.

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jun 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There would have been options...

For instance, start Barbosa at the 2, and move the #6 and #14 for the #2. Then, draft Rubio. Or, draft any number of the solid point guards in the draft, and attempt to sign Andre Miller (as you mention). If this pipedream could have happened, I think it would have been a no-brainer.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can more people vote no?

Oddly enough more people voted no to an Al Jeff for KG straight up swap, but then when he eventually included Gomes and two firsts they call it a steal. I think that flipping Amare trade is a no brainer (Can I get a hat tip for the suggestion in the forums:-) ?) lol. And I think if we got Big Al, Barbosa and two very promising rookies, when we started killing teams next year and you redid the poll, people would vote differently.

BTW Al has a great contract. He’s definitely not overpaid.

by johnnyrondo on Jun 17, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hat tips to johnnyrondo and winsomme...

… for the combined trade idea.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 17, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun with the trade machine...

Minnesota would be moronic to consider that trade, but assuming they did, why not take it a step further than suggested here and link it up to the Memphis deal?

Celtics send Away: Rondo, Allen, Perkins, Walker
Celtics get: Jefferson, Barbosa, Telfair, Darrell Arthur

Phoenix sends away: Amare, Barbosa
Phoenix gets: Allen, Rondo

Minny sends away: Jefferson, Telfair, #6
Minny gets: Amare, Haddadi

Memphis Sends away: Arthur, Haddadi, #2
Memphis gets: Perkins, Walker #6

Celtics draft Rubio and trot out a starting five of Rubio, Barbosa, Pierce, KG, Jefferson. Rubio and Jefferson would be under very reasonable contracts for the next 3+ years and there would be money to resign them to extensions as Pierce and KG expire.

Still, it’s losing 3/5 of a starting 5 that won you a championship 2 years ago… And Minnesotta would be stupid to even consier it (but hey – It’s Minnesota).

by Larry Legend on Jun 18, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe this would go down.

This deal would inspire many a Wrath of Kahn reference.

I’d guess that the sticking point (besides the deal being terrible for Minnesota) is Amar’e re-signing with Minny which I don’t imagine is going to happen. If it was more of a salary dump, why add in the #6 pick? I’m sure they could just dump Big Al and filler for T-Mac or countless other expiring deals.

If this does happen, the Suns would be looking great. I like a Lopez/Jefferson frontcourt and they’d have the #6 pick to package with either Shaq or Nash to bring back someone else. Maybe make a run at Bosh with Nash and the #6?

This Week on Golden State: Monta the Monster @ www.soulhonky.com

by SoulHonky on Jun 18, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was the exec Ainge? (A little jab for firing McHale?)

A commenter on the Wolves blog came up with that theory: Ainge is tossing out the crazy rumor as a little jab for Kahn not bringing McHale back as head coach and pushing him out of Minnesota. That’s almost as plausible as the trade rumor.

This Week on Golden State: Monta the Monster @ www.soulhonky.com

by SoulHonky on Jun 18, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid trade

if you are Minny. At the very least, you could ply Jefferson at C and Love at PF and try to get a true Center to back them both up.

If I am Minny, I keep Al and my 6th pick and take the bbest player on the board at that pick. They suck anyway, so a good player is what they need. If Thabeet falls (He won’t.) then I take him.

by correcttitle on Jun 18, 2009 5:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jefferson and Love

IMHO Jefferson and Love complement each other very well and the Wolves were on a tear before Big Al got hurt. What do the Wolves want with Stoudamire? He’s a rental unless he exercises his player option, and if he exercises, he costs too much.

What MN needs is a third big man to rotate in with Jefferson and Love. A player like Przybilla would be ideal for them.

I can’t believe this rumor. If true, it shows that MN’s young GM doesn’t know what he is doing. For starters, Phoenix should be giving the pick, not the Wolves.

by Brickowski on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think someone like Varejao would be a great third big. I think that big needs to be more of a mobile guy than a shot blocker, and someone who’s at least somewhat comfortable being more than 8 feet away from the hoop so Al can have enough space on the post.

That’s the type of guy I’d like to see Minnesota add to round out their big man rotation.

by Who on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Minny’s new management wants to immediately show that their incredibly bad personnel management was not all McHale’s fault.

by Raef on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so the end result of the deal for us is

Rondo and Ray for Big Al, Barbosa, the #14 and the #6?

very tempting to say the least

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But only if you can replace Rondo with #6.

by Brickowski on Jun 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two thoughts

1) how is Al’s knee?

2) he’s a poor fir in Alvin Gentry’s offense — just look at how they faired with Shaq.

by ssspence on Jun 18, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this rumor has to be false

while both guys are injured, amare’s too me is the more serious. why would you ever trade a young all-star big for a guy with twice the mileage and less heart? and give up the 6th pick? it makes no sense at all.

by ssspence on Jun 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if minny wants to trade al, they deserve to get the lottery forever.

by nazzbo on Jun 18, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're getting the band back together!

Could we also swap #14 for Ryan Gomes?

Pretty please, Roy.

by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 18, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it...

So the Celtics would be:

PG – Likely taken with 6th pick
SG – ??
SF – Pierce
PF – KG
C – Perk

and Big Al on the bench?

I would not give up the current starting back court in exchange for 3 starting big men with only 2 spots and a draft pick.

by Big Ticket on Jun 18, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would be

PG – Free Agent / #6
SG – Barbosa
SF – Pierce
PF – KG
C – Big Al / Perk

That would be a fairly formidable team. Alas, it’s all for naught.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perk Would Be on the Bench

I’ve said all along that Big Al is a small center. He’s not a pf.

by Brickowski on Jun 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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