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Does Rondo Have An Attitude Problem?

Rondo is a fan favorite. But do his teammates feel the same about him?

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Rondo is a fan favorite. But do his teammates feel the same about him?

Disclaimer: I'm an unapologetic fan of Rondo.  I simply love watching him play and I remain very excited to see him grow as a player.  Based on what I've seen on the court, I hope he's a Celtic for life.  That said, I felt compelled to write this subjective article as objectively as I can.

This is one of those rumors that you can't really prove one way or another because nobody is going to come out and support it as true.  You have to wonder if you keep hearing about it because someone reported it and now it gets repeated over and over again or because there's some truth to it.

There's a growing sentiment that Rondo has a bit of an attitude problem.  Nobody seems to be willing to say that he's a cancer or a jerk.  Just that he sometimes rubs people the wrong way.  And by people I mean teammates, coaches, and management.

First lets go back in time a bit.  In April, Jackie MacMullen wrote a very informative piece on Rondo.  In it were some straightforward, sobering quotes about him.  Here are a few.

Two seasons ago, before the banners and the plaudits and applause, when Rondo was in charge of a team that won just 24 games, he'd throw a no-look bullet and when it was dropped out of bounds he'd roll his eyes in exasperation. If he set up a shooter for the open jumper and it clanged off the rim, the shooter was subjected to the Rondo stare, a look steeped in disdain and aggravation.

Rivers hauled his supposed floor leader into his office and asked him, "Do you know your teammates hate playing with you?"

Now that was two seasons ago.  He's had time to mature and grow as a player right?  Well, maybe.  But how about some more recent quotes. 

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In that same article, Ainge said the following:

"The single biggest thing with him," said Ainge, "is getting him to compete night in and night out."

That isn't about consistency so much as it is attitude.  He didn't say he wasn't good every night, he said he didn't compete every night.

In early June, Bill Burt of the Eagle Tribune sat down with Doc Rivers. 

DOC: When teams play the Boston Celtics the one guy they are going to help off of is Rondo."

Q: Does Rondo understand that?

DOC: "Yeah, I think he does. Rondo has a healthy ego. But he understands he has to get better on the scoring end.

Now a "healthy ego" is actually a compliment and I was careful to leave that quote in its context.  But it isn't the first time we've seen that phrase associated with Rajon.  Back to the MacMullen article, Perkins has this to say.

"I'm just telling you, Rajon is real cocky," said center Kendrick Perkins. "He's got swagger. The good kind."

Again, I point out to everyone that will listen that Rondo is going to be in Kendrick's wedding.  So the guy must legitimately like him.  But that doesn't mean that anyone else does.  Maybe his ego isn't seen in quite so positive a light by everyone.

What makes me say that?  Well, what prompted this article were some comments that Kelly Dwyer made Wednesday in a Ball Don't Lie chat.  (I respect Kelly and I've been reading him for years.  I don't take him as one that throws junk rumors out there.)  I wanted to get his extended take on it, so I emailed him.  Here's what he had to say.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say they "don't like Rondo." I don't remember what I wrote during the chat, but I think I used the phrase  "can't stand him," and that should be amended to "can't stand him, at times."

From what I heard in LA and ORL, Doc and the coaching staff are the most annoyed. Not enough to want him gone, mind you. And it certainly has nothing to do with the trade rumors as such.

The teammates, from what little I've heard, could give a rip at this point. They appreciate it, despite being sometimes annoyed with his on and pre-court choices.

I don't want to make it sound like this guy is a cancer, or that his jettisoning would be applauded. Far from it. He's a very headstrong person, very young, who rubs people the wrong way due to things that matter, and things that are superficial. I want to make it clear, and would appreciate it if you passed it along, that any sort of unease or behind-the-scenes bitching could (and, possibly, should) have no lasting ramifications.

Take all of this for what it is worth. Again, this subject is subjective.  One person's swagger is another person's stuck up.  One person's healthy ego is another person's annoying ego.  Rondo has to be confident enough to not pass to whatever superstar is calling for the ball despite being in a bad position to score.  But is he making decisions in line with Doc's offense or is he improvising?  Nobody knows for sure except the people who would never comment directly on something like this (ie. his teammates and coaches/management).

So that leads us to the logical question:  If these rumors have any truth to them, are they part of the reason that we keep hearing Rondo's name come up in trade rumors?  Kelly says "no" in his quote above.  I would say that his attitude alone probably isn't enough to warrant "shopping" him around the league.  However, if you add it to other puzzle pieces, it might make more sense.

There's Rondo's impending contract extension ("they don’t like his contract demands first of all." - Mannix).  Doc has gone out of his way to point out that Rondo has a good bit of on-court growing he needs to do.  Add it up and you start to see some method to the madness.

Keep in mind, these guys are pros and they don't all have to get along all the time to do their jobs.  (As Kelly mentioned: "back in 1997 no Laker liked Kobe either")  On the other hand, for a team that credited Ubuntu for delivering the title in 2008, chemistry can't be overlooked.

Hopefully these rumors are being exaggerated.  Hopefully I'm making too much of this.  Hopefully he's grown up from a few years ago and this stuff is just conjecture from people who don't know Rondo like his teammates do.  Hopefully his swagger really is the healthy kind.  I hope so because I love watching Rondo play.  I hope, I just don't know.

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Poor RR...

Since these playoffs started he’s been vilified as a dirty player and now apparently has an attitude problem. The dude is totally getting ripped to shreds lately. At some point this is just unfair to Rajon.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jun 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

definitely the dirty player stuff is ridiculous

As far as the attitude, that’s between him and his teammates. I thought he had been good with the media.

by doldham on Jun 19, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call it what you want. When Rondo slapped Miller in he face at the end of the game he missed the foul shots that got us the win. Call it dirty all you want. I call it winnning. As a long time Celtic fan I saw Larry Bird & Danny Ainge do a whole lot worse to win. I love that attitude in my point guard!!!!

by bigjohnson34st on Jun 23, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that bothers me most about Rondo is...

that he doesn’t think he needs to work on his jumper. His speed isn’t going to be there forever. I could deal with the attitude if he thought he needed to improve and work hard at it.
I’m all for trading him, I think if Danny works some magic we can find another PG and upgrade another position in return.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where and when...

did he say he doesn’t need to work on his jumper?

It’s pretty well documented he worked hard on that jump-shot this past offseason.

by WillyBeamin on Jun 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

the stats didn’t show it…and the fact that KG had to make a bet with him to get him to practice his jumper during the season wasn’t encouraging

by jdpapa3 on Jun 18, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

what do his stats have to do with whether he says he doesn’t need to work on it?

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jun 18, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers don't lie.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again this has little do with your point

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jun 18, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

i dont care if he “says” he needs to work on it…i actually want him to work on it…the numbers make it look like he did before his second season, and then got worse in his 3rd year. .. is it going to be something that he always has to be working on to have it in NBA form?

what makes us think that he will keep it up when he signs a big fat contract extension? anyone else notice that he only seems to get up for the top pg’s in the league in the first place? Anthony Johnson burning him 4 times in one game?

by jdpapa3 on Jun 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

He did say he didn’t “pick up a ball” between the end of the season and early August. Who knows the truth, though?

Rondo also indicated that he doesn’t want to work on his form, and followed that up by saying he wasn’t too worried, because he wants to get to the hoop. That can be read a couple of different ways.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about that

but didn’t include it in the article because I just don’t know enough about the situation

was he simply not working on his shot or not enough?
was it an encouragement thing by KG or a you-better-step-up-the-effort thing?

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me crazy?

Didn’t basically all of Rondos stats go up in the last season? He is a passing, penetrating, and rebounding pure guard like Kid or Parker… It took them a while to develop their shot, but they worked on becomes masters at their strong points first. I don’t think anyone will argue that the same thing isn’t happening with Rondo. He is surrounded by a hall-of-fame offensive arsenal: who do you want shooting Rondo or KG, Pierce, Allen? If Rondo was a great shooting guard, he probably wouldn’t be fitting so well; he probably would never have become such an assist monster.

by stevenfuzz on Jun 18, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perk improved his shot, BBD improved his shot...

… and Rondo’s shot got worse.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perk and Davis both shot better on their jump shots

  But both of them did worse on their inside scoring, and both had a lower efg% from the year before. How’d that work out for us? Rondo shot a little worse on his jumpshots close to the basket but he took the ball to the hole a lot more often and took fewer jump shots overall. He had a higher eFG% and took about 90 more free throws on about the same amount of fga (about 6% more shots, about 35% more free throws). Perk and Davis, by contrast, both took significantly fewer fts per shot this year. End result? Perk’s points per shot went from 1.56 to 1.36, Davis went from1.42 to 1.18, and Rondo went from 1.14 to 1.26. Hopefully those two will take a page from Rondo’s book next year.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a note

I think it’s important to note that Rondo’s shot selection changed significantly over the past two seasons. I don’t have stats or a huge amount of empirical evidence so just take this as an opinion. But I feel that if Rondo’s FG% went down last season it would be because he’s also taking more jumpers and not just the ones where he is wide open necessarily.

by blueygreen on Jun 19, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Baby was still one of the worst jumpshooters in the NBA

And is a much more frequent jumpshooter than Rondo is, not to mention Rondo is a better finisher inside than Davis.

That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it isn’t. He’s been quoted as saying he didn’t touch a basketball this off-season. Now, he’s also been quoted as saying he’s shooting hundreds of jumpers this summer.

by CoachBo on Jun 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm...

Before he works on his jumpers, maybe he needs to work on his lay-ups. Too many times, he missed lay-ups that were barely contested and even shot “rainbow” floaters that he consistently missed. Wouldn’t it be nice to see RR develop a Tiny Archibald jumpshot?

I hope that the rumor is just that, a rumor. Otherwise, it could be a huge setback for the C’s chemistry next season.

"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"

by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jun 18, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

I’ve never heard that. I think he shot a bunch.

I think it’s a matter of who’s working with him, because his form is very bad, and it’s pretty hard to change old habits like that.

by doldham on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Yes, Yes, he does

He’s very cocky too, but aren’t all young people today like this in society. They all think they know everything…. look back at Paul Pierce with how he reacted and how he and Doc would bicker and argue.

Not to say that Rondo won’t grow up, but it is a maturation process that he has to go through. You need to have a slight attitude to play the game other wise he’d get eaten alive by other point guards in the league

He needs that edge, but he has to start trusting others around him and respect them as well

by Ancient Red on Jun 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he will eventually finish maturing

I think the type of contracts he gets offered when he is eligible will go a long way towards it. (good offers, just not the max he thinks he is going to get)

Celtics still have time with him.

by Wide Load on Jun 18, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad apple.

Get rid of that little Macintosh.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Celtics want to get rid of him

He is too good just to get rid of him.

No matter how much he annoys them at times, he is not preventing them from being successful.

In fact, he is helping them.

And he will help them even more when he finishes maturing.

by Wide Load on Jun 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a big deal about nothing.

But you’ll get some snags with this post I’m sure.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Get out the Grille of my Kia Rondo!!!!

KG seems to love playing with him – they seem to feed of each other . He is going to Perk’s wedding. So….. Maybe PP and Ray Allen have issues with him but something tells me it isn’t serious if they really

Winning cures about everything IMO and ywe can be a winner (again) with Rondo. Smoke and no fire me thinks

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jun 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be cocky too...

…if I was THAT good.

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Jun 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice read

… and a fair question. I think he does have an attitude problem, but it isn’t a huge we-gotta-deal-with-this-now problem.

It’d be good if we had a decent backup so Doc could sit Rondo on the bench when he screws up.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 18, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Either your selling crack rock or got a wicked jump shot" BIG

He needs to work on that jumper and I hate his stuborness to do so. It’s very Starbury. This guys gonna be trouble, mark my words. Let’s get something good for him now.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

umm...what?

He did work on his jumper a lot, particularly in the 2nd half of the season. You’re kind of just making things up dude.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jun 18, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get something good!

I’m with CC, get something good! Trade Rondo for LeBron, or for Big Al and Chris Paul (3-team deal, it would work)….

Wait, now I’m the one making things up

by funkstarrdeluxe on Jun 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who Knows?

I’ve never met Rondo. His alleged personality issues are pure speculation.

by Brickowski on Jun 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at this technique....and tattoo it's bad.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/05/15/1210888842_8673.jpg

I’m a cowboys fan trust me I know a bad apple when I see it.
Let’s trade this little Macintosh.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

A big R R tattooed on his back…yeah – he might be cocky.

by bob3698 on Jun 18, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RR? Really?

You sure that tattoo isn’t about his dream car?

by Thruthelookingglass on Jun 18, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

b-ball

I personally believe that with due the he will become a great player don’t get me wrong he’s already a good player but he needs to be a great player if they have any dreams of reaching the NBA finals next season. He has matured a lot because we don’t see that rondo anymore.

by TopeD on Jun 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He only needs to be what he has been

The Celtics have enough talent in the starting 5 that he just needs to keep playing the way he has.

The bench needs to get stronger.

by Wide Load on Jun 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billips anyone?

I remember trading away our last good young point guard…

How did that work out again?

by BuckeyeCelt on Jun 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there goes any hope of

a sponsorship with Red Bull :)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i thought in one of the other posts about RR that he said he didn’t pick up a bball from the end of game 6 vs lakers until sept of that year. that’s not really putting in the work on the J.

by celty86 on Jun 18, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo has a triple double problem.

I think it takes a cocky guy to reign in the three headed monster of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen. A more modest point guard would have been devoured and his bones regurgitated within the first week of the regular season.

by jurrasicearl on Jun 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad Blogging

So, here we are. Blogs have their place, and their place is growing. They are creeping into the blurred space of news. And, I would believe that the Celtics players check in now and then to see what’s being said about them because it is “fan central”. What good is served by throwing out a negative story – which is likely to be more untrue than true – that brings out the nuts like Captain Comeback and by the very discussion gives air to a preposterous notion. Ancient Red has it right – a little cocky attitude in your point guard is desirable. Anybody watch Chris Paul? He’s cocky. I believe throwing out poorly grounded negative topics feeds the beast. Starbury earned all the bad blog mojo he got. But why drag Rondo down when he’s done nothing but be young and damn good.

by Wildblu1 on Jun 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

everyone's entitled to an opinion

but I’m going to write a negative story every once in a while

and I think I supported my point very clearly with numerous sources

take it or leave it, I did the best I could

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm a "Nut" Jeff

Nice job on your article and pulling together quotes.

I guess I’m nuts for having an opinion. I’ll make it simpler for Wildblu.
I think we should trade Rondo because.
1. He’s going to be to expensive next year for what he’s worth.
2. He doesn’t want to improve his jump shot. His quote said it all.
3.ONLY IF we can get a viable replacement. I’m not saying to trade for a draft pick (Rubio)

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Jun 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, while we're at it

no name calling on here, regardless of what you think of someone’s opinion, they are entitled to it

I’m a little more open for criticism but I don’t want posters name calling other posters

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes you are a nut...

The guy is 23 years old, just completed a 14 playoff game stint where he nearly AVERAGED a triple double, and was 2nd in steals per game. He was 7th in the entire postseason in REBOUNDS, at the point guard position! With that said, labeling you a “nut” might be an understatement. The guy is a special player with an even more special basketball mind. So yea, some guys on the team don’t like him. Of course they don’t! Does anyone ever like a young guy who not only thinks he knows more than everyone else, but actually does? Of course they resent him, because he’s smarter than they are! It was the same thing with Tubby Smith at Kentucky.

Rondo does things his way, just like any other great player who comes through the NBA. At first, people resent it, then they realize that they better just get out of his way and let him do his thing, and titles normally ensue. Oh wait, he was already an intrical part of a title, and he’s what 23? Yea let’s get rid of him, that makes a lot of sense. And for the reason, let’s say because he “refuses to work on his jump shot.” I think the most laughable part of that point is trying to imagine any professional athlete saying “I refuse to work on that.” The whole premise is so unbelieveable that it could not possibly be true. It’s absurd!

SCOTT

by Vegas Scott on Jun 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much

Thanks.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jun 19, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Jeff is dragging Rondo down at all...

I’m also an unapologetic fan of Rondo, but I think this is a well-written, fairly neutral piece trying to make sense of what’s been flying around as rumors. That said, you never know how other people are going to interpret what’s written, take quotes from this post out of context, etc and stoke the fire.

by Pengaloo on Jun 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since he is reporting what others are saying, how is this bad blogging?

It has created a lot of conversation on here,

therefore

this is good blogging.

Bad blogging would be always writing “Celtics are great”; “every Celtics player is great”; …

Gets a tad boring and it ignores what may be going on.

by Wide Load on Jun 18, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The strength of this blog is its willingness to take on all issues surrounding the Celtics, positive and negative. And Jeff’s right. There is evidence that management’s got some issues with Rondo. They’ll address them, but that doesn’t make the subject off-limits.

If I wanted nonsensical happy-talk Home on the Range Celtics information, I’d go hang out with the all-knowing Darth Celtic on RealGM.

by CoachBo on Jun 18, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is funny

Because Jeff loves Rondo and would basically only trade him for CP3 or Lebron. He was just trying to do a devil’s advocate sort of angle, which you have to do to keep the blog fresh.

by jdpapa3 on Jun 18, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, Rondo is cocky and my only fear is that he could become arrogant

Especially after his good performance in the playoffs and all the hype about him. From there, he could become a real problem for the team, a “cancer”. But I think we are overreacting to all these trade rumors, nobody in the Celtics organization wants Rondo to leave in my opinion, they have problem with his attitude at times, like we do as fans (when he makes poor decisions, confronts with teammates, arrives late for big games, doesn’t defend on “weak” point guards…) but obviously and overall the guy is too much talented and important to this team. He’s clearly got more assets than issues and he is still young.

Like I said, the fact that he is young is the most important thing : will he grow up in a good way (improve his shooting, his decision making and his attitude every night) or in a bad way (ask for too much money, leave the Celtics and try to become a superstar in the league)?

We’ll see but frankly I don’t give much credit to the rumors about Rondo’s will to ask too much dollars to the team for an extension. And the fact that he is surrounded by a great organization and great teammates is a pretty positive sign for his learning in my opinion.

by Drucci on Jun 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way

Pierce was an arrogant knucklehead when he was younger too, that worked out alright

maturity happens, sometimes slowly but it happens

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By "when he was younger"

 You mean until he was, what, 27 or 28? Rondo’s 23. About the age Payton was when Seattle was trying to unload him and couldn’t get any offers. About the same age Jason Kidd was when Dallas traded him because their team was imploded over a fight about a girl (I’m guessing between Kidd and Jackson, but Mashburn could have been involved). Things could be worse.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dj was a cocky guard who got traded because of his attitude. kg and ray are the perfect remedies for anyone with an attitude and i think doc is too. don’t trade him- let him age and mature.

by nazzbo on Jun 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

his attitude

his attitude isn’t really the issue for me…my issue is questionable work ethic, arriving to games late allegedly, and no hope for a jump shot…. its possible that i am way off here, and i would be ecstatic if i was…only management and insiders really know

these are not qualities you are going to want when the big 3 get old and you are expecting Rondo to be part of the next big 3…we’re talking a huge contract here…danny needs to do his due diligence

by jdpapa3 on Jun 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is all nonsense.

Name an NBA starter who doesn’t have a huge ego.

He’s one of 30 guys in the WORLD who starts at the point on an NBA team. Do you have any idea how huge of an ego you need to achieve that, with fans constantly questioning every missed pass or shot, with coaches screaming at you from junior high on, with teammates demanding the ball? A huge ego is the only coping mechanism for that type of pressure.

Does anyone think Jordan or Bird were quiet, reserved types who patted teammates on the back and whispered encouragement after missed shots? Does anyone see KG doing that?

This is such silly nonsense. NBA players are not expected to behave like office workers and play nice with others. They are expected to DEMAND perfection from their teammates and themselves. They are expected to call each other out.

I went to college with Cliff Robinson, who is a somewhat quiet, introspective guy in other aspects of life, but had a HUGE ego on the court.

Almost every NBA player is cocky. Almost every one talks trash, even to his own teammates during practice. These guys are used to it. It’s a non-issue.

by Cousin It on Jun 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That darn Dennis Johnson had a bad attitude too.

I don’t know why Red ever traded Rick Robey for that guy.

by no kidding on Jun 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In being fair, that photo of Doc with Rondo is probably a bit misleading.

If Doc was doing charity work in the slums of Calcutta, and Mother Teresa came back to the clinic, there’s a real chance he’d be standing at the door, putting his palms out and giving her the same exasperated look. It’s just his thing.

by no kidding on Jun 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Arrogance

Wouldn’t you sat KG is up there? I love Rondo’s game but as I’ve said before he exposes his body way too much and is going to get injured sooner rather than later if he doesn’t stop letting himself get tomahawked going to the basket. He also needs to wear high top sneakers because he will eventually blow out his ankles.

by The Real Large James 2 on Jun 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is what happens after a season falls short

Everythings thrown under the microscope; people want to trade away members of the best starting five in the league; certain players go from confident players to cocky cancerous players (i.e. Rondo).
I see no problem with this article, but in the rest of the blogosphere, Rondo seems to be getting a bad rap. I’ve seen articles that take those first set of quotes from Rondo’s rookie year and apply them to this past year. One article was titled “Has Rondo Worn Out His Welcome?”……. Errrr what? Are people serious? We have a third year point guard who pretty much averaged a triple double in the playoffs, yet still has plenty of room for improvement. That basically means, that three years down the road, if Rondo’s jumpshot improves like Devin Harris’ or Tony parker’s, we are looking at a superstar.
Is that a Big If? Yes; but I am no where close to giving up on Rondo just yet. He actually has to do something to warrant him being called a cancer and hated by his teammates. Based on all of his quotes, I see a humble kid who knows that he can compete with anyone in the league. I could count the number of players I would trade straight up for Rondo on two hands.

by misterx2day on Jun 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kentucky

I remember reading that Rondo didn’t get along too well in college. Can anyone enlighten as to why? Was it attitude? Or style of play?

by richtrader on Jun 18, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

check the MacMullen article

she has some quotes from Tubby Smith there

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I should have read it before posting.

by richtrader on Jun 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. we’re all bored waiting for something GOOD to happen to our team so we’re finding stuff to talk about. Rondo is 3 years into his pro career and has already won a title. Sure he has some things to get better on and yeah maybe he’s a punk at times but can anyone deny his physical ability not too mention the big plays he makes. Boy, I’d hate to see how good he could be if he really devleops into what we think he can be. thefirst 4 or so games of the chicago series he played BETTER than anyone else in the playoffs and tha includes kobe and lebron. He is a game changer when he wants to be. The key is getting him to play tht way all the time

by Red2 on Jun 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care about his attitude that much. he needs to be cocky. I care about if he is good enough to carry this team beyond the KG era. i don’t want a return trip to lottery land anytime soon. I have concerns whether he can score/shoot well enough.

by celty86 on Jun 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't the title be

“Rondo Does Have An Attitude Problem!”? I guess I’m a little unclear on the concept, but I don’t see how you can use all the negative quotes about Rondo in an article and ignore all of the quotes about how much he’s maturing and call it objective.

  Oh, and from reading the Rondo parts of that chat and the email you received from Kelly Dwyer, I’d say that “one that throws junk rumors out there” is pretty much what he is. But then I don;t spend much time reading chats.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff could have been a lot harsher...

For instance, he left out this quote from Danny Ainge:

“He’s stubborn,” Ainge said. "He doesn’t always take direction well. He’s very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful.

“But sometimes he doesn’t understand what the team needs to be successful.”

Or this one from Rondo, on why he’s not going to change his shot technique:

“I’m set in my ways,” says Rondo, who believes his accuracy will improve with practice. “I don’t feel like I have to settle for a jump shot, because I can get to the basket at will.”

Or this quote, on following instruction from Doc:

“I’ve learned to handle it a little bit better,” he says. “Even though I think I’m right.”

Jeff could have posted every negative quote he could find regarding Rondo’s personality, and he didn’t. This was far from a hit piece.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

However, allow me to say it...

Rondo does have an attitude problem. He’s immature. He’s learning, but he’s immature. Mature players don’t show up right before tip-off before Game 1 and Game 7 of a playoff series.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure he could have been harsher

  Or he could have been objective. Not everyone shares your negative view of Rondo.

  And did you see the any stories in the local (or any other) papers about Rondo being late for game 7? There’s some debate about whether it actually happened. I was listening to Micheal Holley yesterday talking about how he was surprised people didn’t see Rondo showing up late for a playoff game as a bigger issue. I don’t see why he would neglect to mention the fact that Rondo was late for TWO playoff games, unless it never really happened.

  And, frankly, I don’t know that it’s a given that Rondo needs to change his technique and not just practice. Wouldn’t the coaches tell him if there was something seriously wrong with his technique? And getting to the basket instead of settling for jumpers is good advice, especially for someone like him.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, once or twice makes very little difference. The fact that it happened is a big problem.

And yeah, the technique is atrocious – as are his jump shooting results.

But since any criticism of Rondo apparently isn’t “objective” …

by CoachBo on Jun 18, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it a "big problem"

  If you don’t know the reason?

  And I didn’t say that criticizing Rondo couldn’t be objective, I said taking all of the negative quotes (or quotes that could be construed as negative) about Rondo and ignoring all of the quotes that put Rondo in a positive light isn’t objective. I guess you have a different meaning of the word objective.

  And as for his shot, wouldn’t the coaches tell him if his technique was atrocious? Shouldn’t we fire all of the coaches if that’s the case? I’d guess Clifford Ray has spent a lot of time improving the technique of the post players, not just having them practice their poor footwork and shooting. Couldn’t we hire someone else like that?

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's another report of him being late for Game 7...

From a fan who was there:

I dont know what Rondo’s deal is, but he arrived for the game at about 6:50pm. I went to the game and there was a crowd watching him enter the garden via the player parking lot at 6:50 as I walked in. This has to have something to do with him not bringing his A game, it just seems very strange. I mean how can you arrive that late for a game 7?

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=44828&st=60

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, that's two reports of him arriving late for two games, from multiple sources...

… and yet somehow I don’t think you’ll be convinced that it’s a potential problem.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it happened it's a potential problem

  But a fan post on a blog and no mention in the local media seems a bit suspicious. You’d probably think so too if it wasn’t about Rondo. Or can you think of a good reason why there would be no (or at most extremely little) mention of a player arriving late when a) it was a game 7 in a playoff series, b) he was late for another game in the same series, and c) the team got blown out?

  I don’t know whether he was late or not, but I’m not saying “I’ll never believe it”, I’m saying “is there a single bit of credible evidence that it happened?”. The fact that you’re refusing to believe that the rumor might be false or even giving a second’s thought about why this hasn’t been in the papers or on the radio pretty much proves my point.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

A reporter from ESPN mentioned it, and a Celtics fan who was at the game mentioned it independently, but neither one is “credible”. To me, this sounds like a case of you hearing what you want to hear.

Why should I spend my time obsessing about whether it’s wrong? A ESPN reporter reported it on the night of the game.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like how they announced during a game

  That Rondo was eating spicy food at his locker an hour before the game and Doc denied that it happened. And you don’t need to obsess about whether it’s wrong, but I don’t know why you’d insist that it’s indisputably true when none of the local media or national media (save one chat) would ever breathe a word of it. And are you really claiming that your sources are credible? What if the poster was CROTOR, celticsthug or the like? The deli guy’s a more reliable source…

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was an ESPN reporter...

The guy on the message board only collaborated it. But please, believe whatever you want because the truth would shatter your world view.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it was an espn reporter

  then god forbid I question it. You always take every rumor they come up with as the gospel truth. I don’t want to burst your bubble by disputing it, or by noticing you haven’t had any thoughts on why Rondo’s being late for game 7 was roundly ignored locally.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

When did Doc deny that Rondo ate spicy food. Here’s how the Telegram & Gazette reported it the next day:

Rajon Rondo blamed his slow start in Sunday’s Game 7 against the Bulls to feeling weak after an overly spicy pregame meal.

That sounds like something Rondo himself reported, not the media. But it’s all a conspiracy, right?

Still don’t believe it? Here’s a direct quote from Rondo:

“I just felt really weak,” he said. “I’ve had it before, but this time it was too spicy.”

Here’s what Doc said:

``Rondo didn’t feel great at the beginning of the game,‘’ coach Doc Rivers said. ``I don’t know if he ate something, I don’t know what it was, but you could see it.’’

So… pretty much you were 100% wrong, and the media got this one right.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, Rondo isn't the only player with bad dietary habits...

… I just don’t think it’s a media conspiracy when they report it.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but can we assume spicy food is a bad dietary habit?

forgive my ignorance and generalizations, but isn’t spicy food a norm where Rondo is from? This whole spicy food thing has been blown out of proportions…

by Pengaloo on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

… eating spicy food right before a game is problem something most coaches wouldn’t recommend. I don’t think people should lambaste him for it at all, and the only person I’ve seen bring it up in the last several discussions of Rondo’s character has been BBallTim. Not only is it a red herring, but it’s something that Tim is completely and utterly mistaken about.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For instance, here's Doc on nutrition...

… from Rondo’s rookie year:

Rivers ended yesterday’s lengthy exercise with a brief mid-court lecture on proper nutrition, a sermon prompted by seeing how poorly his guys have been chowing down.

``We had an early practice, and I bet at least six of them didn’t eat,‘’ he said. ``They’re just so young, they don’t get it. My point is that being a pro is eating and being prepared for practice. The other day we had a guy eating a cheeseburger and fries before the game. Sometimes they just don’t prepare right for the game. I told them I didn’t think Michael Jordan was sitting in the locker room eating a double cheeseburger before the game.

``One of them said one day that the food costs too much in the hotel. I said, `Guys, you’re in the NBA. Most of you make a million dollars a year. If you can buy a gold chain, you can buy a good meal.’ ’’

So, eating proper food is something Doc has harped on before. To me, it’s not a huge deal so long as it doesn’t happen again. However, the “spicy food” thing absolutely happened.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm.....

Is there a direct correlation between showing up late and playing poorly? If he showed up 5 minutes before tipoff, played well and the team won, would we care?

Everyone was garbage in game 7, not just Rondo. The Celts also lost game 6, and presumably Rondo arrived with the rest of the team as it was a road game. I don’t know that this really matters unless there is some clear causation.

Lastly, the assumption here is that Rondo showed up late because of his attitude. That’s really unfair. There could be a plethora (thx el guapo) of reasons why RR was late. He does have a young daughter, traffic, car problems etc.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jun 18, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

… in the Jackie article, Rondo himself said that doing his entire pre-game routine is important. Also, if being late isn’t a problem, why doesn’t the team just let all the players roll in right before game time?

I suppose Rondo could have a good reason to show up late to two playoff games, but I’m curious why all of his teammates managed to make it on time.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…then your referenced quote could then imply something actively prevented him from being late then, and not that its his attitude.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jun 18, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmm...

i hate the lack of editing in comments. that should be “prevented him from being on time”

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jun 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said...

… 14 other players managed to be on time to both games. Only Rondo was reported to be late, including to Game 7. He’s got awfully bad luck, if he had two major obstacles to arriving on time pop up in less that a week.

Rondo has been late numerous times this season. Hell, he missed the team picture because he was late, and had to be super-imposed later. I see lack of punctuality to team events — particularly games — go be a problem. I understand that some fans will explain that away as not a big deal, but there shouldn’t be special rules for Rondo just because he came close to averaging a triple double.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he didn't eat spicy food

because he obviously said he did. But my question is why do so many people think this incident is a big deal at all? Rondo said he’s eaten this particular meal before, just that this time, it was spicier than normal. For all we know, this could have been a very expensive meal. And my point about Rondo’s southern background is that he can probably handle spicy food. I don’t see how anyone could foresee a stomach ache coming from something that didn’t give them any trouble before. I just think these things happen, and it’s not always the player’s fault. Ray and Stephon simultaneously had the stomach flu a few months back – and I think Ray is extremely particular about his diet. Fans shouldn’t be so quick to judge.

This rant isn’t directed to you in particular. I just find myself surprised at how quickly we question his character…

by Pengaloo on Jun 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least in this thread...

… the only person making a big deal about it is the person saying that it didn’t happen.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say Rondo didn't eat anything spicy

  I said that it wasn’t true that Rondo was eating spicy food at his locker an hour before the game (which was reported during the game). It was, according to Doc Rivers, some spicy spaghetti (whatever that is) that he had a few hours before the game, not at the stadium. (btw, the “whatever that is” is what Doc said, not my commentary). So pretty much I wasn’t 100% wrong, but thanks for playing.

  Funny, how you could easily find accounts of Rondo’s eating spicy foods. I had no trouble finding a reference to Rondo being late for game 1 (usatoday, I think) but all you can find to back up your claim that Rondo was late for game 7 is a post on a fansite.

  Just saying.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

… and a report on ESPN. ESPN may have lost a little luster, but I don’t think they generally make things up out of whole cloth. The story was simply confirmed by a fan who claimed to be at the game.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

The thing I saw on espn wasn’t a report or part of a story, but a line in a chat. Kind of like the Kelly Dwyer chat, where “they can’t friggin stand Rondo” some was meant to read "I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say they “don’t like Rondo.”

  It might have also appeared in a story on their website but I never saw it or saw anyone here link to it. Again, if it happened twice in a series then the team should look into it and factor it into their decision to extend or trade him. I just find it hard to believe that it would get zero mention, especially during all of the Rondo trade rumors.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please

round up all the comments about him maturing and being a great teammate – I’d be happy to post them sometime tomorrow

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd start with

 “He earned our trust,” Pierce confirmed.
 
  or maybe

  “But he’s become much more aware of what his team needs,”

  or

 “That’s what separated him from other guys this season. He’s fine with 8 points and 10 assists or 18 points and 10 assists. That’s maturity.”

  Not sure why you’d have missed them, though…

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Please....

You are really going to use the 2009 playoffs as your reasoning for why Rondo isn’t mature? It’s about performance, not what happens behind the scenes or when he shows up to games. If he shows up to games all year in 2010 five minutes before and averages a triple double, I’ll be just fine with it and you know what, so will you and everyone else. For you to act like you have your finger on the pulse of Rondo’s attitude is ridiculous and it’s pure speculation, so stop speaking as if it’s fact.

SCOTT

by Vegas Scott on Jun 19, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, that's the thing...

People talk about “triple double, triple double”. Here’s what Doc said about Rondo’s playoff performance:

The first five games of the Chicago series Rondo played at an All-Star level. But the rest of the playoffs you could make the case that he really struggled. He had good rebounding numbers. He also had some good assist numbers at times. But at the point guard level you have to be able to score and get your assists. When teams play the Boston Celtics the one guy they are going to help off of is Rondo.

Reading this blog, you’d seem to think that Rondo was dominant against Orlando. He wasn’t. He shot 37.5% from the field against Orlando. Starting with Game 6 in Chicago, he finished the playoffs 45-for-129. That’s 34.9%. In other words, not very good.

However, the mantra among fans still remains “triple double, triple double”, despite the fact that Rondo was a real liability in the Orlando series. I just don’t get it.

I like Rondo. He has loads of potential, and at times he realizes that potential. However, he really struggled against Orlando, and I think it’s completely unacceptable for a player to show up late to two playoff games. Hopefully in the coming season and beyond, he works out his personality “quirks” and learns to give consistent effort night in and night out. (Danny is the one questioning his effort, and I’ll trust his judgment.)

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 19, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

great post roy…we are definitely on the same page with rondo…don’t know if i’d be willing to give a kid 10+ million a year that shows up late to playoff games….i was scared to be late to playoff games as a fan. haha.

by jdpapa3 on Jun 19, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo's shooting did drop off late in the Chicago series

  But so did Ray Allen’s. Wouldn’t you attribute at least some of the situation to the fact that the Chicago series was absolutely exhausting and they had no time to recover? And some people discuss other parts of Rondo’s game other than focusing solely on his outside shooting. All of those rebounds weren’t meaningless, they gave us more posessions, and he got some key rebounds late in close games battling players like DH and Lewis for the ball.

by BballTim on Jun 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo is the man,

no question. I see very little to be nervous about here.

I think the attitude that Rondo shows should be more of a threat to opposing teams, not to his own teammates. And Rondo seems to have the right attitude about practicing, so I am not worried in the least!

by Hal Jordan on Jun 18, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are we even discussing this?

I have no idea why this is even a topic of discussion. I mean, we’re whining about his attitude? HE AVERAGED NEARLY A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THE PLAYOFFS. The last Celtic who did anything like that was named BIRD.

Maybe people are frustrated to see the Lakers win the title. Maybe people think the Celts should have somehow made it to the conference finals. Maybe people just don’t appreciate Rondo’s game. Whatever the case, the reality is that Rondo was the most important payer on the Celtics last year. No way they win 62 without him. No way they get past the first round of the playoffs.

He’s only a few years in the league and he’s already one of the top players in the NBA. He’s got nowhere to go but up. Allen, Pierce and Garnett are all going to be gone in a couple of years. Rondo is the future of this franchise. To run him down, speculate he has a bad attitude or even consider trading him is just ridiculous. He’s the one player the Celtics CAN’T trade.

by P-Dawg on Jun 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo has the perfect attitude

How can anyone expect someone under public scrutiny to perform perfectly all the time in all ways? Turn your criticism within! Paul Pierce has the perfect attitude too, and Ray, and KG and the rest who distinguished themselves this year. I completely enjoyed watching the Celtics this year. They had so much pride. They’re not losers, they’re finders. They’ll find the Magic next year and Magic will wish they could hide better.

by TruthSerum on Jun 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How is it "perfect"...

… when Doc and Danny are questioning his effort?

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question, Roy.

by CoachBo on Jun 18, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as Paul & KG are here...

Rondo`s alleged attitude problem will NOT be disruptive. RR knows his “place”.

There are flaws in RR`s game, primarily shooting. I believe he`s working on it more than people think, we just haven`t seen improved results. Magic Johnson was in his 8th season {1986-87} before he developed an outside shot worth respecting.

More than anything, you have to like RR`s “toughness”. He has a near iron will!

by Title 18 on Jun 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Magic

actually never took a jump shot. He would set shoot. Very old school.

by The Real Large James 2 on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There Are Things About Rondo

….that make me think, what is he doing? His constant trying to steal the ball instead of staying in front of his man.—-sometimes this works, sometimes not. He shouldn’t do this without both KG and Perk on the floor. When both are playing with him he can take the gambles, but he can’t if only one of them is there to cover his back. -—He walks it up when he should be pushing it.—-don’t know what goes into this decision on his part.——-takes some crazy shots when he doesn’t really have a good one (instead of passing), but maybe it’s because of the clock.

With all that said, Rondo takes a beating during the season. He played at the end with two bad ankles. It’s great that he played and played as well as he did, but how did this affect his game?—-we don’t know.

Rondo has had his battles with Doc, but so has Pierce. I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing. It could be with another coach, but not with Doc.

The end point is that he has gotten better, his decision making is better, Doc is making him run the team, he’s young. Even his outside shot is improving. The fact that he didn’t shoot well from outside in the playoffs is, in my opinion, his ankle problems. He certainly needs to improve all facets of his game, but taking everything into account, especially his passing and low turnover ratio I don’t see what all the fuss is about.

A really good backup point could really help Rondo in reducing his minutes and saving his body.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ainge criticism

To be fair Ainge also said last spring that KG goes hard all the time and that Pierce doesn’t. i think he compared KG to Bird and Pierce to DJ. My point is that ainge has also commented on the Captain in regards to giving it his all.

I have no idea why the Boston media didn’t make a bigger deal over the laste arrivals. Seems they live for that stuff. Maybe Doc charmed them over.

by johnnyrondo on Jun 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Take Ainge's Words As A Comment

What Ainge says is often objective points of view on his part, not criticisms. Below are a few other blasts from the past:

“He doesn’t like to practice”
He often doesn’t come up the floor on offense
He sometimes requests to not practice

The above are statements from Red Auerbach on Bill Russell. Russell often played almost 48 minutes a game. He deserves a day off from practice. Some players don’t like to practice. There’s a great story from Red when he scolded Russell for not giving his all at practice.

The Celtics were told before this past season not to come to Waltham till training camp started. Pierce was there way before working out and beating out JR Giddens. There were pictures of him lugging a bunch of tires around the Waltham parking lot.

These types of comments are often taken out of context and misconstrued by the media and fans. They more often than not don’t mean a thing. Every once in awhile they do as when Doc was livid when Blount said he should be getting the ball more. Doc said Blount should rebound more. That comment did mean something.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Jun 19, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attitude is not the problem

Chief, Bird, McHale were not all chummy. And Shaq/Kobe had major differences and still won rings.

It is not the attitude I worry about being a problem. It is the jumper, the free throws, the inability to play at a consistent level like most supreme points normally do night in and night out. It is paying a guy top 5 point guard money who will be a 6 to 10 point without drastic improvements in these areas.

Rondo can keep the chip on his shoulder if he shoots 75% FT and hits the jumper like an average guard is capable of in this league.

by brianceltfan on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the attitude problems I have with Rondo

When asked about his crummy FT, 64% 1st year, dropped to 63% his 2nd, last summer he said, don’t worry about my FT, I’ll make them when they count. That’s B.S.- they all count dude. And he went out and shot another 64% this year.

Also, saying he isn’t too concerned with his outside shot because he can drive the lane anytime he wants. Half of Rondo’s playoff games where very poor FG%. In fact he dropped from around 50% to 41% for these playoffs and again shot only 65% from the line.

At least D-12 is practicing his FT every dang night and Rondo’s attitude is it doesn’t matter, what he has now is good enough. That’s a guy relying on the big 3 to bail him out attitude and not a prime time max player.

by brianceltfan on Jun 18, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he just needs to hold himself more accountable.

From my understanding he is “working” on these facets of his game, but when that means only shooting FT’s till he hits 100 of them, that is not going to be enough. He needs to hold himself more accountable for the results, and not just let the fact that he’s “worked” on it be enough. I mean I was shooting till I hit 100 FT’s in middle school after practice, this guys in the NBA.

The FT’s are just one example, but if that is the effort he puts in to improving one of the most glaring weakness of his game there is an issue.

All that said. I would only trade Rondo for maybe 5 to 10 players in the league.

by MaineBleedsGreen on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's a blurb from that article Jeff was quoting

Rose torched the Celtics for 36 points in Chicago’s win and, while Boston failed collectively in executing the proper defensive rotations, Rondo was more specific in placing the blame.

It was on him.

“I don’t think I got four hours’ sleep after that game,” Rondo confessed. “I was really down. I put so much pressure on myself. It took a lot out of me.”

  Sounds like he holds himself at least somewhat accountable.

by BballTim on Jun 18, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rajon Rondo doesn’t have an attitude problem … at least not in any way that effects his teammates on the court.

His teammates trust him. They follow his lead. Those are not actions of teammates who have a problem with Rondo.

by Who on Jun 18, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can even find attitude problems in the Creator, if thats what you want.

by Reyquila on Jun 18, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have problem with Puerto Rican Rum

when I am all out………….. lol

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jun 18, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo

Rondo is just upset he hasn’t seen the hangover yet.

by Champzilla on Jun 18, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I know is

I would be EXTREMELY disappointed to see Rondo go. I have a hard time watching the Celtics when he is not on the floor. Forget his attitude problems, forget his shooting problems; this is one of the most fun players to watch in the league. And he can literally take over games, no matter who is on the court. Bob Ryan, who obviously has been watching basketball for a long time, said that he’s never seen a player like Rondo. I’m tired of all the negativity; can’t we just be excited about a player without questioning every little thing. Rondo seems to have been cast in a negative light his entire basketball career; he’s supposedly “uncoachable” at Kentucky, even though that style of play clearly held him back (why the hell would you play him at shooting guard?; Tubby Smith needs to ask himself that). Than he gets uneven minutes in his rookie year. When the Big 3 come to town, he is seen as the weak link the entire season. And after nearly averaging a triple double in the playoffs, we are seriously considering trading him. People are crazy.

by misterx2day on Jun 18, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo Rules

Rondo is the best, but if we could get Chris Paul for hid, I would get rid of him.

by Mr Cleaner on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On This Celtic's Team

Rondo is a pass first pg. Paul seems to be a shoot first guy. We need a passer at this point in time.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn

by TrueGreen on Jun 19, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Rondo, BUT...........

First off, I am a huge Rondo fanboy. And even the idea of trading him mortifies me, simply because I don’t think people realize just how rare a “true” point guard is. Since DJ, Kenny Anderson might just be the only one we have had. How sad is that?

Now as much as there is to love about Rondo’s game: his speed, his flash, his explosiveness, his toughness and fearlessness……we all know what his weakness is, his jumper.

So here is what I will never understand. If I am Rajon Rondo, I am thinking to myself that all I have to do is develop an adequate jumper and I am a Hall of Fame player. Ironically enough, the best jump shooter in the history of the game just happens to be my backcourt mate. And luck would so have it that he happens to be in the gym ALL THE FREAKING TIME. He comes hours early for shootarounds, and by all accounts spends more time practicing his jumper that anyone on the team. I’m thinking I ought to spend some quality practice time with Ray.

by bewareofdware on Jun 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony Parker and Rondo

I think Rondo can see Tony Parker as an example. When Parker first entered the NBA, he was a lot like today’s Rondo — lightning fast, could get to the rim at will. And like today’s Rondo, the Parker several years back also could not shoot.

The Spurs promptly hired a shooting coach to correct Parker’s machanism. He worked hard to improve his shooting in offseason and practiced with Steve Kerr. Things worked out great for him.

There is no reason why Rondo can’t do the same.

by wincelticswin on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you look at Parker and Rondo's nba hotspot charts

  You’ll see that, for a given distance from the basket, Tony and Rajon hit the same percentage of their shots. The main difference is how often they take those shots. Parker took about 670 shots close to the basket compared to 500 for Rondo but he took about 530 2-point jump shots while Rondo took under 200.

by BballTim on Jun 19, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K.G. slow and teach hiim

I think K.G. is a really important person for him and as long as Garnett is playing for the Celts, he will be teached and slowed down if he does something wrong at other people… but after that you never know how this man grow up – his high expectations don’t fit to some of his team players and thats what this man drives crazy, I think

I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°

by greenmech on Jun 19, 2009 6:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo's perfect attitude

Rondo is bringing the best he has to the Celtics, and the game, same for Doc & Ainge, neither of whom are infallible. There’s room for improvement in everyone…Rondo will learn from all of this, that’s why he has the perfect learning attitude — nothing gets by him, and everybody who knows him knows that. He’s also the perfect point guard for the Celtics right now, and he has the perfect group around him to prove it. Give the man some breathing room and some growing space. He probably needs to hear criticism, but the overly judgmental stuff isn’t instructive.

by TruthSerum on Jun 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rondo & Rivers a Perfect Match

Hey, maybe Rondo’s picking up his attitude from Doc Rivers.

An article I read about him on www.electro-mech.com, a scoreboard manufacturer, says he’s got $65K in fines for 2009 season for mouthing off and his rants.

Whaddya think?

by bud59 on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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