Another Rumor, Another Denial
by Jeff Clark on Jun 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT
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Here's one from a Star Tribune blog (Minn. paper)
There’s another trade rumor floating out there seemingly even more far-fetched than the Al and No. 6 to Phoenix for Amare: This one says the Wolves send Mike Miller, Randy Foye and Ryan Gomes to Boston for Ray Allen.
Since Kahn lamented Friday how nobody in the media business calls anymore for confirmation and denial of such rumors, I texted Kahn about this one and asked if there was possibly any truth to it.
He sent back a one word answer:
"No."
Good.
Now that's a deal I could support, but of course it doesn't sound likely.
Update: In related news, it sounds like the TWolves are being "super active" on the phones. More TWolves rumors (not involving the C's) after the jump.
The wildcard in all this are the Minnesota Timberwolves, who could throw a wrench in things by trading up to #2 to take Ricky Rubio. Sources say that Rubio’s camp has warmed up significantly to David Kahn and the Timberwolves organization as of late, and that they would not be opposed to him landing there. The catch is that the rookie scale salary slot of the #6 pick would not be sufficient in terms of satisfying Rubio’s gigantic buyout from DKV Joventut, so Kahn would have to trade into the top three to make that happen.
At this point, Kahn is holding firm on not putting Kevin Love on the table for the right to move up in the draft, and is instead trying to acquire another pick to entice Memphis to swap with them. As other media outlets have reported, they are targeting Washington’s #5 pick, but are only offering some combination of Randy Foye, Mike Miller and the #18 pick, which probably won’t get it done...
-According to an NBA source, super active Minnesota Timberwolves GM David Kahn has offered Mike Miller to the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Chris Kaman. The Clippers shot down that trade, but countered with Marcus Camby.
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not crazy about the deal
the c’s can get more for ray’s contract. miller was awful last year, and foye is hot and cold. I love gomes, but the c’s can find a similar player in free agency this offseason.
by lowfatalbob on Jun 22, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grotesque trade for Boston. NO way I make that deal.
by CoachBo on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculously BAD trade!
Celtics need SIZE…nothing else!
The tallest of these three players is Miller, at 6`8"
How does that help Boston`s size deficiency?
The Lakers will be back again next year with their 3 seven-footers {Gasol, Odom, Bynum}.
by Title 18 on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Gomes isn’t long enough at the 3. Miller is a shooter, little else. Foye I like, but not enough to trade Ray for when all else I’m getting is spare parts.
by CoachBo on Jun 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Major misconception
Miller is so much more than a shooter. Check his rebound and assist numbers.
by Michael Anthony on Jun 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He cannot defend. We have no use for him in this system.
With that in mind, I really have no interest in his offensive numbers. We’ve already got a PG who defends only when he feels like it. We need to upgrade defense in the backcourt, not throw it away.
by CoachBo on Jun 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Ray did not defend either… until he got to Boston
by Michael Anthony on Jun 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see
those 3 wolves players being dealt but it wouldnt be for ray allen, it would be for a younger star
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jun 22, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That deal makes no sense...
Why would Minnesota do that? Mike Miller is expiring, Foye will be a restricted free agent next season (meaning they can let him walk if they want), and Gomes has a non-guaranteed / partially guaranteed deal. In other words, the Twolves already have all of the cap relief that they need.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 7:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from what i hear
the wolves offered miller to the clippers for kaman but the clippers countered with camby.
expiring contract for expiring contract. the wolves could sure use the size and defense
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jun 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another team that looks active
is the Wizards – they really seem to want to move that #5 pick
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Jun 22, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think...
… but if they’re turning down Foye, the #18, and an expiring deal (in Mike Miller), they can’t be that motivated to move it, right?
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO LIKEY!!
Caron/#5 for Ray
that is the only deal I want.
I like that we would add depth, and I like Gomes, but I want an upgrade somewhere if we are going to lose Allen.
by rickyfan3.0... on Jun 22, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Washington do that?
Especially if they’re turning down the deal mentioned above? They’re not going to dump their best player (arguably) and a top-five pick for an expiring contract.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
I was just thinking they need to dump some salary I don’t know the exact details, but I would love some incarnation of getting Caron and a high pick to draft a backup pg (Flynn/Lawson)
by rickyfan3.0... on Jun 22, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Picks 1 and 2 matter in this draft. After that, pick 3 is just about the same as pick 30. So the Clips and Memphis are in the proverbial catbird seat when it comes to extracting value for their picks.
The Wolves desperately need a pg. Foye has not been a success and we all know Telfair’s limitations. Rubio would be huge for them. But It will cost them Kevin Love.
A less expensive alternative might be to go after Mike Conley.
As for dealing with the Wolves, if you put Jefferson and Love aside for the moment, the player who would interest me most is Corey Brewer.
by Brickowski on Jun 22, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the top two are the clear strength...
… but I’d say #3 is the same as #10, rather than #30. There are some really talented players in the draft this year, but almost all of them also have flaws.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Guards
Yes, I suppose that’s right, Roy, except that the good players in this draft are all guards. After Griffin, there is not a single tall guy who impresses me, and that includes Thrabeet.
Jordan Hill is a nice physical speciment with no BBIQ. Blair from Pitt is a tweener. Then there’s the big kid from Ohio state who is a project, and Hansborough, who is the next Brian Scalabrine without Scal’s 3 point range. Lastly there’s the Israeli kid Casspri, but he’s a Euro finesse big, not an inside player.
I think that covers everyone over 6-7 who is likely to go in the first 30.
by Brickowski on Jun 22, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sleep on Jonny Flynn
My opinion is that in a couple years we’ll all look back and call him the 2nd best player of this class. He is going to be a steal for whoever picks him up in the 8-12 range…
by D Dub on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=29190.0
I posted it in the forums yesterday and it was labelled as bogus by some …
by greenwise on Jun 22, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It *is* bogus...
I mean, if Danny offered that, Kahn no doubt just chuckled and hung up the phone. This one sounds like whatever “source” came up with it was simply making things up.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't believe any of this
lies, darn lies, statistics, …and new to the list: anything GMs say leading up to the draft
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Jun 22, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for those that only visit here during the week
don’t miss the conversation we had about backup small forwards this weekend
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/6/20/919612/team-needs-backup-small-forward
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Jun 22, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another horrible deal....
If the C’s could get an exception from the league to play Miller, Foye, and Gomes all at the 2 guard at the same time (thus giving the C’s a 7 on 5 advantage on the floor), I’d make the deal. Otherwise, it’s yet another example of how quantity for quality doesn’t work. All of the sudden we go from a team with arguably 5 top 5 players at their respective positions to a team with 4 top 5 players at each position and a mediocre 5th starter.
by Jon on Jun 22, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree there...
Randy Foye is a pretty good young player, and Gomes would solve the backup 3 problem. Plus, they’d still have Miller’s deal to move at the trade deadline.
If, and only if, the Celtics are going to let Ray walk next season, this deal would make a ton of sense for Boston. For Minnesota, not so much.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 22, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the Cs side...
not a horrible trade. We know that Danny wanted Foye and actually might not have done the Telfair trade were Minny not so hot on Foye. Miller is a starting caliber palyer if healthy and Gomes would be the Posey replacement.
but MINN trading for Ray without also getting Rondo doesn’t make much sense.
what about a three way where we get this package, MINN gets #5 + contracts and WASH gets Ray?
Washington does it to get Ray. MINN does it to get #5 to go after Rubio.
on another note, Rubio is a huge asset. No way MEM should pass on him even if they can’t nail down a deal by draft night.
by winsomme on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
foye isn't that good
i watched a lot of twolves games this season, they’re like the anti celtics, foye isn’t much of a defender and he’s a streaky shooter. He’s not good as a PG and he’s too small for a SG. Mike Miller never looked right in the minny uniform and while I’d love to reacquire ryan gomes, the expiring contract of Ray Allen can net them a better package of players. The deal doesn’t make much sense for the TWolves, FOye and Miller are expiring, so their sole motivation is to get rid of gomes’ contract and have ray mentor their roster, assuming they don’t buy him out.
C’s best play with Ray is to trade him at the deadline, maximizing the value of his contract and virtually guaranteeing his buyout and return to the c’s.
by lowfatalbob on Jun 22, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this trade!
sign me up for that, potential, and not bad contracts… I’m in!
by Coach on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
miller for camby?
assuming the clips actually offered this swap and i were in charge of the wolves i’d ink that deal before the clips come to their senses.
camby and jefferson would be an ideal front court combo. find a pointguard somewhere and the wolves could climb out of the cellar this year.
but why the heck is camby’s value so low? didn’t he get traded to the clips for a bucket of steam?
by arctic 3.0 on Jun 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea a throw in sentence
I think thats the best trade idea of them all. The Clips need to get rid of Camby before Griffin arrives. the twolves would love to get rid of Mike Miller.
by BigRedDog42 on Jun 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime
I’ve watched Foye play I have not been that impressed. I know his stats show he is a good player but I would be more worried with our championship chances next year with him as our starting 2 guard. Gomes plays the 3 and 4 and I always thought of Miller as much more of a 3 than 2 (kind of like a younger Wally). I could see PP being forced to play the 2 more than we would like after this trade and I’m not crazy about that idea.
by JBcat on Jun 22, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy, a question re the cap
I still struggle with the logic of moving Ray. What is the advanage to the Celtics of moving Ray this year instead of getting the full measure of his contribution and then getting the $19 mil off our salary roll (if we don’t want to re-sign him). And wouldn’t keeping him put us in position to re-sign him for $5-7 mil. I’m clearly missing somehting here but I can’t be the only person still confused by salary cap rules.
by Wildblu1 on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they talked about Rondo
Foye, Miller, Gomes, #6 and #18 for Ray and Rondo is a conversation the Wolves have to have.
Not bad for the Celtics if we can package the picks with some expiring deals to Memphis for Rubio.
Rubio / Foye
Miller / Foye
Pierce / Gomes
Garnett / Gomes
Perkins / MLE Big
If you believe any of the following will translate, this is a pretty good trade:
08-09 Spanish ACB League Defensive Player of the Year
08-09 Spanish ACB League Steals Leader
08-09 Spanish ACB League Assists Leader
08 Mr. Europa European Player of the Year
08 ULEB Cup championship (Joventut )
08 Olmpics Silver Medal
by Michael Anthony on Jun 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two starters for that?
Ugh. I’ll really pass on that one.
by CoachBo on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kahn's cell phone #
The big news in this all is that Jeff has Minny’s GM’s cell phone number. What other numbers does Jeff have? Maybe he can text some trade proposals to some GM’s. :P
by johnnyrondo on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Love
Kevin Love has just got to be traded to Memphis. How long before our long national nightmare ends and we finally get the “Gay Love” era in Memphis?
by John70 on Jun 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if i were david kahn
i’d go after kirk hinrich, he can play both guard spots, he’s a good defender and it allows foye to play the offguard,. I think the contracts of mike miller and brian cardnal would make it happen
by lowfatalbob on Jun 22, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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