Time To Focus On Free Agents
Sounds like the real push for improvement this offseason will happen via free agency, so lets reboot that conversation today. Here's what the Globe had to say about some early names in the discussion:
So, what are the Celtics going to do? Well, Boston has its eyes on free agency. The Celtics are willing to use the midlevel exception (expected to be $5.6 million-$5.8 million) for the right player. Expect the Celtics’ top priority in free agency to be landing one or possibly two big men, not including the re-signing of restricted free agent forward Glen Davis.
An NBA source said the Celtics will keep an eye on such free agents as Detroit forward-center Rasheed Wallace, Phoenix forward Grant Hill, and Toronto swingman Anthony Parker. Denver center Chris Andersen (likely to re-sign), Detroit forward Antonio McDyess (likely to re-sign), Denver forward Linas Kleiza, Detroit forward Francisco Oberto (expected to be bought out), and Milwaukee forward Bruce Bowen (expected to be bought out) are also considerations.
So who do you think will be at the top of Ainge's wish list?
As a reminder, here are a series of articles I wrote on this topic recently:
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I like Linas Kleiza alot
although i expect denver to match any offer we put out there.
by beantownboy171 on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
Please, no Bruce Bowen or Anthony Parker.
Like all the others on the list.
What's Wrong with Anthony Parker?
I think he would be a good fit especially if he came cheap
Disagree
I think Anthony Parker is decent enough. Shot 40% from downtown this year. Avgs of 10ppg, 4rpg and 3apg. Not bad. But he is 34 years old. So he’s not a long term solution. But on a 2 year deal for less money, he’s quite an upgrade from Tony Allen. A huge upgrade, actually.
Agreed
He is smart and he can shoot, perfect backup shooting guard.
by Michael Anthony on Jun 26, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
this is the kind of vet we need. Someone solid who plays a little defense. Not Starbury. It seems like we’ve been searching for years for a guy like Anthony Parker.
I think we might be able to do a little better than him, and he’s not a great option… but with all the other needs we have I wouldnt be upset at all if we ended up with him.
Shawn Marion
why no Shawn Marion? I feel like he would be the perfect backup wing to bring off the bench. clearly he thinks he deserves more, but is there really a market for him to get more than the mid-level exception? anyone heard anything on him?
It was a quote from an article
Take a look at some of the articles that have already been written, they go much more in depth with the list of free agents.
by beantownboy171 on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Too much cheddah!
Marion will want a lot more than the mid-level exception. I think there are teams desparate enough to give it to him.
by funkstarrdeluxe on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We Need to Sign Sheed
McDyess is going to stay with the Pistons. Bird Man is going to stay with Denver, if we want to have a decent 5 then we need to get Sheed. Don’t mention that we can sign Zaza or Nesterovic I hate them both. Gortat would be good but I think he’s going to sign somewhere that allows him to start like NYC.
Grant Hill...
Is very likely to end up a Celtic. Ties to Doc from Orlando. He’s professional… should get along with the Big Three well. And… I can’t imagine him returning to the mess that is the Phoenix Suns.
Good point
Phoenix’s moves this week (sending out Shaq and Amare) probably means Grant Hill doesn’t resign with them. I’d pay him the LLE but not more. I’m pretty sure that’s what he signed with PHO for last year.
by Gainesville Celtic on Jun 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that Shaq was traded
leads me to believe he will not re-sign. The two are very close, and work out together in the off-season and I heard at least one interview on Mike & Mike where the seemed very enthusiastic about next season in PHX.
I don't understand
why everyone is so infatuated by Grant Hill. The guy is 37 years old!
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 26, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear #18 Express: Stop and pick up Mr. Hill
I haven’t seen him play much this year, but he’s one of the few Dookies I can stand (and I am waaaay biased). If he still has any game I’m all for another quality character guy like Grant Hill. Love to see him get a ring with our Celtics.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jun 26, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
McDyess
Jeff - why do you say McDyess is likely to resign? I believe DET’s cap space - or at least enought to sign both Ben Gordon and Carlos Boozer -- depends on not resigning him. If they’re remaking their team (not a bad idea) i expect them to let him go. Though he is a great locker room guy by all accounts.
my FA big board top 5 heading into the FA period:
1. Rasheed Wallace
2. Shawn Marion
3. Antonio McDyess
4. Chris Anderson
5. Jamario Moon
Guys to get on the cheap: Ime Udoka, James Singleton, Dahntay Jones, Keith Bogans, Matt Barnes, Grant Hill
by Gainesville Celtic on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
I didn't say that
the quote is from the Globe
I think they think that Dyess wants to resign with Det
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
I would have agreed with that until the team imploded in the second half. He clearly was only going to Detroit after Denver bought him out, but it would sure seem that how last season unfolded, as well as the continuing uncertainty there, would make him think twice about committing to Detroit again. Doesn’t he have some connection with Danny? Danny’s pursued him a few times, it seems like he very well is the one that they’ve got targetting for the MLE.
I’d be happy with ’Sheed, too. Dice/Sheed and Hill/Parker, then sign Rondo to an extension, and the offseason is mostly resolved.
FA's
I’d like to see McDyess. Anthony Parker would be good as well. I think Miami extended an offer to J-Moon. I’d also like to see Marion but I think he wants big bucks (more than we can afford). I say also package T-Allen and Scal and move them for someone (if anyone is interested in them).
Sheed
I don’t like it, but I think Ainge will go hard after Sheed
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Best Pick-up, why don't you like it
What’s wrong with Rasheed signing for 1-3 years? His first year here, I’m sure he’d be a model citizen trying to fit in and helping win another banner. We all grow up in our lives and mature. Don’t you feel he has come along ways from his playing days in Portland? Isn’t our Coaching staff a better situtation for him then what he had in Detriot? Don’t underestimate the power of Doc Rivers in this regards with his players. Paul Pierce bought into it, and shall we say about 3 years ago we were wandering about Paul’s maturity level and if he would ever reach it?
I truly like the pick-up of Rasheeed if it were to happen. The dynamics of our team would change with the addition of Rasheed in the line-up. Didn’t Red take players throughout his career whether they were a good seed or a bad seed and put them in a situtation where they could win? So why not give Rasheed a chance?
I’m very high on him and feel he would take much of the burden off Garnett/Perkins when he entered the game.
and you forgot
‘Sheed will make Perkins look like an angel, even as the 2010 C’s set a record for infuriating the refs.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jun 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
VON WAFER
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT VON WAFER??
He’d be a perfect fit as a back up swing for the Celts!
Plus he’s got some crazy in him which I like. Cuz I don’t know Karate, but I know CRAAAZY!
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Wafer would be great, but he is young and probably looking to get paid. I think we would need at least $4 million to bring him in.
by Michael Anthony on Jun 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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You never know – he’s played for 5 different teams in 4 years and made less than $800k last year. I really like him in that Lakers series as energy off the bench. He was out of control at times but I think KG can discipline him.
by Digs Humphrey on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
First Starbury now Sheed
Danny please you testing my loyalty.
I think Anthony Parker is nice 3pt shooting wing.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I concur
No freakin’ Sheed. I hate that dude. With a passion. He doesn’t deserve to even get a single stat line in the glorious Celtic record books.
Starbury
Played real hard for the Celtics and I for one would like him back (I know there has been immense discussion on this topic so I’ll leave it at that). One thing you can’t argue about Marbury is his attitude. Sheed would be a great addition and would fit in nicely with the Celtics.
I'd love to have Starbury back
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There should be no comparison made between....
Sheed and Starbury. One occasionally gets into on court trouble do to misdirected aggression/passion for competition. The other often gets into trouble because he’s mentally unstable at times.
I think Sheed would be a PERFECT fit for the team. I’d love to see the look on the competitions face when Sheed, Perk, KG, Paul and Rondo are all out there at the same time. I’m getting the fear just thinking about it
Grant Hill
would be a waste of money –
he seems to have failed everywhere, totally wasted Orlando’s money,
and IMO is overrated…really overrated.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
He Played Well in Phoenix
and used to be a perennial all star I don’t know how he is over rated. His problem is that he can’t stay healthy. However, if he’s only playing bench minutes he’s more likely to stay healthy.
I don’t know about that. He certainly was never the player he was in Detroit after his injuries…but I’m not real excited at the prospect of a guy that’s not a good shooter with a bad injury history at age 37 or whatever he is. I don’t want another Sam Cassell-type who’s just along for the ride.
??
Since when has Grant Hill not been considered a good shooter? He’s never been much of a 3-pt shooter, but he’s got a great mid-range shot. I mean, the guy shot over 52% last year – and it’s not like he talks all of his shots inside.
well i guess i meant more outside shooter. my impression of hill is he doesn’t take many shots outside of 12-15ft which is kind of limiting…i tried to check the hotspots page on nba.com but the phoenix players weren’t loading for me for some reason…
The guy
is overrated, old, and not what this team needs…never liked Grant Hill and if I were an Orlando fan, I’d want my money back as he wasted YEARS there with his bum injuries but had no problem cashing the checks.
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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
If No Sheed then.
McDyess won’t sign, neither will Birdman. Wilcox, Shelden Williams and Drew Gooden would all be a good fit with us. Shelden would be better to bring in if we already got someone else good so that we aren’t relying on him.
Drew Gooden?
Now that would be interesting… I think he would be a good addition, if it can happen, I’d like to see it!
by funkstarrdeluxe on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He won't be shooting 3's, which is plus over sheed.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
wouldnt mind gooden. he has a 15 foot jumper and can play inside too, some defense.
i still think SA resigns him though and probably bring bowen back too
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jun 26, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
gooden and hill would be nice. if only bibby or miller would sign for cheap $$$
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jun 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
great point!!
I think we have a chance at getting either one of these guys. The FA market is filled with PG’s over 30, so one of these two should be available for cheap money. I’d prefer Bibby of the two, but Dre would still be satisfactory.
has a pretty wife tho...
sis of anthony parker too…! lol
1. Sheed
2. Gortat
3. Za Za
After they get their big man they can start to worry about backup swingmen and point guards.
I would also not rule out a sign and trade involving one or more current FAs.
I’m with you regarding the priorities. big man first and then deal with the rest.
by slamtheking on Jun 26, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
IF...
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 26, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Hill
is all I want from that list.
And maybe Sheed for the right price.
PASS
ill pass on Oberto and Bowen…Oberto i deemed useless halfway through last season and Bowen is not what he used to be. Frankly I think theyre both washed up and headed in the wrong direction. Now Kleiza he showed some fire with Denver bring him aboard.
Hill
Grant Hill would be a major upgrade to our bench. He would provide veteran leadership, defense, and also has a decent jump shot. I would be most excited about his veteran presence from the bench though. He is a very humble player, much like Ray Allen, therefore he would not complain about mintues or shots. He would be a perfect fit for a championship run with the Big 3!
These guys are going to be backups,
so I would take a combination f any 2 of the bigs, meaning Cs or PFs. I’d take Parker and I’d take Hill, with Walker developing. I liked Marbury for the backup slot. He’s got starter talent and if Rondo goes down, you still have a shot.
No Sheed
I don’t see how Sheed helps. At his age is just going to be more tempermental replacement for BBD. I really don’t think he has it anymore. And the Celtics can get about the same thing with less headaches by resigning BBD and waiting for Powe to come back.
The Celtics are missing three things; a back up PG, a big swingman defensiv specialist who can spell Pierce so Pierce doesn’t have to always guard the other teams best scorer, and they need a back up center (not a back up forward but a center with some length who can do what PJ Brown did in 08). Sheed fills none of those needs. Grant Hill would, but can he stay healthy? He did play every game last year. The Celtics would be perfect for Hill and he for them. Great character guy. Can you get four more true professionals than Hill, Allen, Pierce and Garnett? His health is an issue but he would only have to play 15 minutes or so a game. He could go Kamakaze at the other teams best scorer during that time. HIll is unselfish enough to be willing to play defense and do all the dirty work. I love the idea of signing him.
I am not sure where they get the big man. McDysse is who they need. But, McDysse for some odd reason refuses to play anywhere but Detroit. It is just nuts.
And no Birdman. That guy is so grotesque he makes me want to throw up every time I look at him. He is a good player, but no way.
DAVID LEE
now that the knicks have drafted a power forward what will happen with Lee? Can the celts afford him?
David Lee & Von Wafer…Anybody, Anybody? c’mon that would bolster the roster right there. Open the checkboos Wyc!
by Digs Humphrey on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
> MLE
David Lee will be one of the few players to get an offer above the MLE, I suspect. Doubt NY will match. He’ll certainly get a full-MLE offer at the very least, and I don’t see why he’d come here to back up KG and Perk instead of getting a starting gig somewhere else. Dude can’t play a lick of D, anyway.
Except that Ra is much more capable of playing backup center than mcdyess. That is precisely why I prefer Ra over mcdyess.
John70
agree with the position needyou mentioned except McDyess is a backup forward not center. Just sign Gortat. Can we also get a list of the backup point guards available?
Gortat is a good option
I agree with you about Gortat. And he is younger to. There is a limit to how many guys in their 30s you can have. As far as backup PG, the Celtics managed to win a title without a real backup PG. I think they could do it again. But, they have to get a big man and a defensive wingman to come off the bench. If they could somehow manage to sing Gortat and Hill, they would be in real business.
Interesting list.
Except for Anthony Parker and Bowen.
But I just wonder how McDyess can be expected to re-sign with the Pistons after he obtained a buyout last year to come back to Detroit and get swept in the playoffs? I thought that his goal was to win a ring.
McDyess
ZaZa
Chris Wilcox
Is my big man list. I don’t think Sheed can defend/rebound well enough or will be willing to take a pay cut and come off the bench.
as for SF’s, I’d go with:
Josh Childress
Dhantay Jones
Des Mason or
Matt Barnes
I’d love signing Childress up for a couple of years to solidify our 6th man role. Searching for a backup for Paul each year until he retires will get old. Guys like Anthony Parker and Grant Hill are one year rentals at best.
Hey !!!!! Where is the 30% who voted that there would be a Major Trade on Draft night for the Celtics???
If you are in here today spouting off new predictions – you should be more accurate as you were way off!!!! Repent you sinners!
Is it Soup Yet?
Sheed Or Bust
After the non-action of last night’s draft. we did kind of screw ourselves, leaving it totally in the players’ hands as to how much they want to sign for. Could’ve had DeJuan Blair, BJ Mullens, or somebody else to help board, but did nothing.
McDyess wants to stay in Detroit. Birdman will stay in Denver.
Sheed or this will be another horrible offseason.
Possible moves......
We all know the positions we need help in at this point, but, seem to have variious opinions about what is best and realalistic. Here is a breakdown, by position, as to how I see it working out:
PG: We need a vet here. Someone who can handle the ball, and preferably have a decent jump shot. There are obviously some big names out there. Marbury, Kidd, Miller, and Bibby are the ones that jump out to me. These players will probably want at least the full MLE or more, deserving or not. We are better off spending that elsewhere. I think someone like Booby Jackson would be agood fit here. Jackson is a vet, so probaly can get him for LLE or VM. He has a good outside shot, handles the ball well, andturns the ball over very rarely. He’s not much of a passer, but that can be worked around.
SF: This, in my opinion, is where we could either hit a homerun or completely strike out. There really doesn’t seem to be much out there for FA’s at this spot, at least not affordable anyways. Our best move would be to try and trade some combination of Scal, TA, Giddens, Walker or Pruitt for either Nocioni or Magette. Sacramento is obviously looking to dump salary and would probably part with Nocioni. He still has four years left on his deal, a little prohibitive, but would be a great fit off our bench. He plays good defense, can shoot lights out, and seems to be a good enough team player. As for FA’s I like Matt Barnes over Hill. Hill is a superb character guy and still a good talent. Barnes is younger and more atheletic though. Barnes also can shoot the three and plays very solid defense. To some it might not seem like he does, but having played on G.S. and Phoenix it could be easy to overlook this.
C: Wow, some really farfetched scenarios have been thrown out at this spot. Sheed, Dice, Birdman, Gortat, Za Za just name ones who standout. This is probably where we should spend our MLE. Dice is probably the only one who could be had for less than the full MLE, the rest may actually want more. Dice really isn’t a center though, and seems to be content to play out his daysi n Detroit. Don’t think he is a good idea. Gortat is going to want to start somewhere and will get more than the MLE most likely. Za Za seems to want a starting gig as well, not sure he will get it though. Birdman is my favorite and would be the best fit. He isn’t a restricted FA, so it’s totally up to him where he goes as I don’t think anyone is going to offer him more than the full MLE. I do think he likes Denver and will want to stay there. This leaves us Sheed. I am really conflicted on him. He is still a capable player, especially in a bench role. Just not sure where his head is at, is he even sure. Will he accept a bench role? How much money will he want. If KG can get Marbury in line, then he can get Sheed in line, so this might actually be the best fit. If not , we may have to try to get LA to buy out Camby or work out a trade. Camby would be great in green and a trade could work, if we don’t trade for a SF.
So here is what i think would be ideal:
PG: Bobby Jackson (Vet. Min.)
SF: Andres Nocioni (Trade)
C: Chris Andersen (MLE) & Camby (LLE via LA buyout)
And of course we need to re-sign BBD!
different perspective
I think you’re a little off on how much you think those old PGs are worth. Marbury, Kidd and Bibby are well past their primes and past the point where they’re worth full MLE. Miller would get the closest to it but I’m not sure he would get it either. Having said that, I think your backup option of Bobby Jackson is pretty decent particularly if there’s only the vet min to offer.
SF—Matt Barnes or Grant Hill are the best options and should be worth LLE at most. Barnes is younger and has a better health record so I wouldn’t mind seeing him signed.
C—Mcdyess is really a forward and apparently still wants to play in Detroit. Sheed may not want to come to Boston despite being able to fill the C/PF hole. Zaza may be the best option — hopefully he’d take less than the full MLE but if Danny makes the right moves, he’d still have it to offer (and would fill this position first).
Moving TA and Veal for someone productive that could backup the front line would be ideal or better yet pull off the deal for Nocioni (without losing Walker) and the team is looking good.
by slamtheking on Jun 26, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheed
From Ric Bucher’s Twitter
Those are top two. Heard Dal and Hou also called. Cle is not in mix. KG is calling, but Sheed won’t do Boston.
The top 2 being Orlando and San Antonio. So might be out of luck with Sheed
He’s just trying to get a bigger offer from Cle or Bos. He’ll follow the money.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jun 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Repent
Forgive me Mater Po, this is the first time I’ve been wrong. No, wait a minute, I must be mistaken.
glad to hear cleveland isnt in sheeds future
if i’m to believe bucher…….
i like the idea of matt barnes on the cheap, esp. better than grant hill, who’s old and not the kind of guy that we could build on at all past this year – barnes seems like an upgrade to tony allen (then again, my 5 year old cousin might add more to the team than T.A.), he’s relatively young and seems like a reasonable target for the c’s
if sheed is a pipedream, we need a free agent big and by big i mean center i do wonder about camby being bought out bc blake griffin makes one too many bigs in clipperland, but we cant sit back and wait for him to be bought out
Leon Powe
No mention of Leon here. I wonder if he is a goner. Hope not.
Sheed and Hill
While I HATE Sheed I have the funny feeling he’d fit in perfectly here. But I would sell my family for Grant Hill, whom I’ve always thought of as a Celtic at heart. Like Duncan. Classy ex-ACC winners who play team ball above all else. Hil’s comeback from injury has been almost as impressive as McDyess.
Would love any of those guys on this team. Not sure enough about the others, though.
Undrafted Free-agent from Gonzaga
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
options....
who to pick Matt Barnes or Marquis Daniels?? If Sheed goes to the Magic does that finally close the door on Turk? Don’t sell the back up point guards short. A good one can get us better quality looks for our bench shooters and hopefully better production. It will be an absolute must to rest the big 3 a lot more this season and if we get no scoring from the bench I’m afraid Doc will be rushing them back in there. we will feel that effect come April and May!
You guys getting Dahntay Jones?
As a Nuggets fan I love what he did for our team, but I don’t think he’s worth much more than the minimum. Definitely had a good year but he only started for us because we had no scoring coming off the bench, hence JR’s 6th man role. While I feel he’s a good to great defender he won’t help much against the Kobes and Lebrons who Paul Pierce will be better suited to guard anyhow. He will certainly help defending the guys Ray Allen struggles with and will eat into House’s minutes. 10th man off the bench is his career I think and he makes the C’s tougher on the perimeter D.























