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Ainge Has A List

Red's Army has the quotes from the Danny Ainge press conference today.  Of note are his comments on free agents:

"There's the July 1st type free agents that we'll make a run at. There's August 1, August 15th free agents that we're waiting to see how, maybe they slip through the cracks...maybe they don't get what they're actually looking for and rather come to Boston and play for a lower number. There's a whole long list of free agents we like and we have in mind, but they're different levels and I certainly can't share with you those names."

Does anyone know the difference between the July 1, Aug 1, and Aug 15 free agents?  I think some of the latter free agents are ones that will get cut by teams before their contracts become guaranteed.  I'm guessing these are guys on the Gabe Pruitt level.

The free agent market is starting to take shape with teams declining to give some restricted free agents a qualifying offer, thus making them unrestricted.  This is happening to Charlie Villanueva and Marquis Daniels.  Teams have until tomorrow to make qualifying offers.  Ainge has already said he will extend one to Big Baby, so we retain the right to match any offer to him.  We are also waiting on official word from Eddie House to see if he'll opt out of the final year of his deal, but Ainge seems optimistic about retaining Eddie.

Draft night turned out to be a quiet night.  But I think it is safe to say that July 1st will be a busy one for the Celtics.  I wonder if Danny will show up on the doorstep of someone's home at the stroke of midnight.  I am really interested to see who their top target is.

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August free agents are guys looking for full MLE but must settle for LLE or Vet min and then pick team by ability to win NOT $$$$…eg-AI,Starbury,Joe Smith,Dyess maybe…..Marion wants $10+mil but settles for MLE come August…stuff like that

by Motown on Jun 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is there a July 30 deadline for offering the MLE? I don’t get the connection but I’m sure I’m missing something

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 29, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren’t we using part of the MLE to sign guys in the past few years? I’m almost certain that when we signed Posey, it was for a portion of the MLE, and that deal wasn’t signed until late August. I’m interpreting “August 1st” as being that informal time when players and agents start realizing that this is not the season to cash in and expectations get lowered.

by theBird on Jun 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the point was...

some guys will be in immediate demand, and involved in bidding (i.e. July 1). some guys will over price themselves and have to wait for teams to go through the motions on better players (Aug 1). not so much hard dates, but marketplace realities…

by ssspence on Jun 29, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Free Agency is going to be huge for the C's

I’m a little surprised at how under the radar any deals that the C’s have are. Usually a lot of these deals get pre-announced (unofficially) and July 1 is just a formality.

by CelticPride on Jun 29, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be tampering

I think you are thinking of next week when teams can negotiate but can’t officially sign anyone

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Jun 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must be what I'm thinking of.

I just remember knowing all the deals before they actually happen

(BTW – love your sig)

by CelticPride on Jun 29, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robert Swift

So is he a 7/1, 8/1, or 8/15 guy? :P

by johnnyrondo on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see a few people being guys that Danny will try and get in touch with right away and both of those guys are Gortat and Artest. Im pretty sure Gortat can play C and pf correct? if so giving him the mle would be a good idea because that would help us out alot because he is still young and he did very well for Orlando. Artest on the other hand with Yao being out i think he will want to go for a title and we can help him with that, he can fill the 2/3 hole that we have and be very effective. I think that if we see Artest being chased alot it means that Ray is probably gone for young talent/draft pick. If we get artest to replace Ray and get a young 3/4 combination for him that gives us a good bench this year and some upcoming guys for future years. Seems like win win thats my ideal situation atleast but its a long shot that we get him. If he wants to win a championship next year he wont be getting more than the mle anyway so i dont see why we wouldnt be atleast a good option.

by adesilva on Jun 29, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gortat cannot play PF. the Artests of the world aren’t coming for the mid-level and i’d be surprised if Houston would work a sign & trade to take on Ray’s massive expiring contract when they are already having trouble trying to deal McGrady’s massive expiring contract for something they want.

in terms of realistic options, pay Ariza the mid-level. you weaken the Lakers and get a guy who matches up well against the Magic.

by homer simpson on Jun 29, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys like Artest will HAVE to take the mid level!!

The only team with significant cap room is Detroit. And they’re not going to sign Artest. I think one or two other teams have room (Griz) but they’re on record stating that they won’t use their money like that.

So it’s a lock that top level free agents are going to sign for the MLE. It’s going to happen. It’s just a matter of whether or not Ainge can use the whole thing, and the number of years he’ll offer. But we can be sure that most teams are on the same playing field as far as what they can offer their free agent targets.

by MetroGlobe on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gortat only needs to play center, not power forward.

We’ve enough guys that can play the 4 spot (including Pierce, if necessary). What we need is a legitmate back-up center. If we can afford him, and if he’ll come, Gortat is the one to get.

by no kidding on Jun 29, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Karl Malone's House

That’s where Ainge will be at midnight, trying for the 5th time to get the Mailman to come out of retirement.

It will be an interesting free agency period, and 3-4 guys who are looking for more will settle for the MLE or less. That’’s why Ainge should hold off on any immediate signings unless the player is a perfect fit.

I don’t see any prefect fits out there except Rasheed Wallace, and he is rumored to be going elsewhere.

There are also sign and trade possibilities, and I see that as a more viable route to obtaining good players.

by Brickowski on Jun 29, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a bad feeling. Hopefully it will not be another disaster off-season like last year…

by thebirdman on Jun 29, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless Danny goes the trade route...

Next season could be an ugly one.

Anyone who thinks this is a strong FA market {given Boston`s most serious needs}…is delusional!

by Title 18 on Jun 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not A Bad Market

I don’t view this as a bad FA market at all. You have Wallace, Artest, Kidd, Marion, Iverson, Hill and Turkoglu, all of whom are former all-stars or all-star caliber players.

Then you have good second tier guys like Pachulia, Gortat, Ben Gordon, McDyess, Nesterovic, Anthony Parker, Villanueva and Andre Miller.

Plus there are some interesting younger players, e.g Ronnie Brewer. All of the players listed above could help the Celtics, except Iverson, and even he would help them sell jerseys and other chatchkes.

It’s all made more insteresting by the fact that very few teams have any cap space, so there will be a scramble to eat up that space and to engineer multiple sign and trades.

Next year’s class is potentially stronger, with guys like LeBron and Bosh, but this year’s class is quite good— certainly better than last year’s.

by Brickowski on Jun 29, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Charlie V didn’t get a qualifying offer? Wow.

by Tugboat on Jun 29, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah wierd...

why not maintain leverage? maybe he’s agreed to offer them sign-and-trade in return for his freedom.

by ssspence on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie V being on the open market could hurt baby alot. Last i remember seeing him he reminded me a lot of big baby on that he seemed to rebound better.

by adesilva on Jun 29, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. Because he’s legitimately 6’10", as opposed to BB, who is only 6’6"

by MetroGlobe on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope

Okur is the first of Danny’s list

by Jack_Frost on Jun 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villanueva

Is Villanueva going to cost more than the MLE?

His height and scoring are attractive (16ppg, 7 rpg, 6’11"), and I’d be satisfied letting go of BBD or Leon if necessary. But if the price is too high the price is too high.

by Sophomore on Jun 29, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No way

I`d take BBD 10 out of 10 over Charlie V.
Yeah, he´s taller, but he´s also a weak inside player who plays with low energy. Not what we need on our bench, imo.

Overrated and soon to be overpaid.

by Casperian on Jun 30, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weak inside?

Weak how?

CV’s 36-minute numbers give him more rebounds than BBD – 8.6 to 7.1 – and the comparison is probably kind to BBD because he plays fewer minutes per game. CV is also scoring almost 6 ppg more in the 36-minute comparison.

How do you get more rebounds and score more points if you’re softer and playing with less energy?

by Sophomore on Jun 30, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he plays more minutes as a starter on a bad team?

by Casperian on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On minutes, the comparison is based on a prorated average, to show their production over 36 minutes of play. So I think it’s apples to apples on minutes.

You are right that the numbers can’t take into account who else is on the floor or what the player’s role is. I’d have to watch more of his games to have a solid feel.

by Sophomore on Jun 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Artest

I think they should strongly pursue Artest, and hopefully he is their first choice. His defense would fit well with the celtics, and his ego if he has one anymore would be more than enough for ray, kg, doc to handle

by jt21 on Jun 29, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i’d love villanueva if we could get him. not too likely though.

by Fan from VT on Jun 29, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

July 1st?

July 1st is only the date at which point teams can negotiate with free agents. Free agents can not be signed, officially, until July 8th.

NOTE: This is done to give all teams equal opportunity to negotiate, and, make it pointless to illegally negotiate before July 1st.

by 420celticsFAN on Jun 30, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually it’s done to permit the league’s accountants to compute the salary cap, luxury tax threshhold, MLE and other key numbers for the upcoming year. It’s difficult to sign a deal for the MLE, for example, before you know what the MLE is.

by Brickowski on Jun 30, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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